• insurrection

    From Bill@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 7 01:42:17 2022
    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press?

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to Bill on Fri Jan 7 14:49:46 2022
    On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote:
    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press?




    About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles.
    All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor.
    The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of
    weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police
    officer.

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 7 17:21:43 2022
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 14:49:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote:
    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected
    government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press?




    About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles.
    All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor.
    The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of
    weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police
    officer.

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.

    Maybe that is because nobody actually planned on their protest going
    this far so they can't be charged with insurrection but the feckless
    Capitol Police response allowed a rowdy crowd that should have been
    stopped on 3d street to breach the Capitol grounds and eventually the
    building with minimal opposition.
    There are still reports of cops stepping out of the way and letting
    the people in, perhaps because they knew there was nothing they could
    do to stop them.

    I know the Secret Service took shit for clearing protestors out of
    Lafayette park the year before but they understand establishing
    perimeters and not engaging right at the white house fence. Maybe
    Nancy and Chuck should have asked them for advice in the weeks before
    this protest happened. .

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  • From wayne.beardsley@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Mr. Luddite on Fri Jan 7 14:17:48 2022
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote:
    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press?


    About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles.
    All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor.
    The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of
    weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police
    officer.

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    ===

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    Not yet. The elephant in the room is still out there.

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com on Fri Jan 7 21:09:10 2022
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 14:17:48 -0800 (PST),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote:
    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected
    government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press?


    About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles.
    All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor.
    The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of
    weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police
    officer.

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    ===

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    Not yet. The elephant in the room is still out there.

    If you are talking about the fat orange guy, it will be a pretty thin
    beef. The rhetoric he used was straight out of the liberal lexicon.
    This is Obama https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/campaigns/44441-obama-on-gop-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun

    I agree the whole stolen election thing was dead when the votes were
    certified but he was appealing to his base.

    By a like token the Florida 2000 election was over on November 14 when
    the statutory deadline passed but Gore kept his "stop the steal" going
    for almost a month, taking it to the SCOTUS. There are still plenty of
    people who think he won.

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  • From Mr Robot@21:1/5 to waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com on Wed Jan 12 16:37:26 2022
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 14:17:48 -0800 (PST),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote:
    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected
    government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press?


    About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles.
    All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor.
    The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of
    weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police
    officer.

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    ===

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    Not yet. The elephant in the room is still out there.

    You mean the Orange Orangutan.

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  • From Mr Robot@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Wed Jan 12 16:38:28 2022
    On Fri, 07 Jan 2022 21:09:10 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 14:17:48 -0800 (PST),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote:
    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected >>> > government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press?


    About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles.
    All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor.
    The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of
    weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police
    officer.

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    ===

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    Not yet. The elephant in the room is still out there.

    If you are talking about the fat orange guy, it will be a pretty thin
    beef. The rhetoric he used was straight out of the liberal lexicon.
    This is Obama >https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/campaigns/44441-obama-on-gop-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun

    I agree the whole stolen election thing was dead when the votes were >certified but he was appealing to his base.

    By a like token the Florida 2000 election was over on November 14 when
    the statutory deadline passed but Gore kept his "stop the steal" going
    for almost a month, taking it to the SCOTUS. There are still plenty of
    people who think he won.



    Fuck you asshole. Five people died and 150 cops were injured because
    of his shit. So, fuck you.

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  • From Mr Robot@21:1/5 to califbill9998remove8@gmail.com on Wed Jan 12 16:36:11 2022
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 01:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
    <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected >government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be >classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press?


    How can you breathe on your own? A mystery of the sea, apparently.

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  • From wayne.beardsley@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Mr. Luddite on Thu Jan 13 12:03:22 2022
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote:
    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press?


    About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles.
    All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor.
    The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of
    weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police
    officer.

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    ===

    As of today that is no longer true. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
    Federal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence gathering, so there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been
    operating under instructions from the orange menace.

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 13 16:26:06 2022
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
    Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote: > > Essential Meaning of insurrection > > : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government > > He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion,
    uprising] against the elected > > government. > > acts of insurrection > > > > Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be > > classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press? > > > >> About 725 people have
    been charged so far for their roles. > All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor. > The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of > weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police > officer. > > Nobody ...
    meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or > participating in an insurrection. > ===As of today that is no longer true. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-
    andFederal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence gathering, so there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been
    operating under instructions from the orange menace.

    When Trump is the prize, I'm sure them dems will leave no stone
    unturned. It's a shame they didn't go after Comey, Clinton,
    Shifty, Hunter and Joe Biden with such vigor.

    The suprems did an ok job today kicking the business covid mandate
    to the curb. They did allow for the health care worker mandate to
    continue. I guess they'll have to deal with the healthcare
    shortage crisis another time. There is talk of some hospitals
    dealing with the problem by inviting workers out sick with covid
    to come back to work. Hopefully saner solutions will
    prevail.
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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com on Thu Jan 13 20:37:53 2022
    On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 (PST),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote:
    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected
    government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press?


    About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles.
    All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor.
    The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of
    weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police
    officer.

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    ===

    As of today that is no longer true. >https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
    Federal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence gathering, so there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been
    operating under instructions from the orange menace.

    I agree that "conspiracy" is such a nebulous charge that 3 guys
    drinking in a bar and talking about how easy it would be to "hook a
    chain on that ATM and drag it out of here" could be convicted, even if
    they never left the bar stool and never talked about it again.
    The question is how much of this that was illegal, actually ever
    happened?
    ***************
    According to the seditious conspiracy indictment, the defendants
    conspired through a variety of manners and means, including:
    organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and
    to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting
    members and affiliates to participate in the conspiracy; organizing
    trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons and supplies – including
    knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with
    plates, helmets, eye protection and radio equipment – to the Capitol
    grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol
    grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder
    and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force
    against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6,
    2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the
    lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social
    media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to
    communicate with co-conspirators and others.
    *****************

    It does point out the difference between "insurrection" and what
    actually did happen.
    We had a mob show up to demonstrate against the senate vote and the
    feckless police were not capable of stopping them until long after
    they morphed into a riot.

    If it were a real insurrection, those folks actually would have showed
    up in tactical gear, in force, with very capable firearms.
    In that regard, it may be good that they are going after the real
    whackos.
    If King George had hanged everyone who showed up at that square in
    Boston March 1770 where they shot 3 guys and then hanged Paul Revere
    and Sam Adams for reporting it, we would still have a queen. ;)

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to justan on Thu Jan 13 21:07:09 2022
    On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 16:26:06 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:


    The suprems did an ok job today kicking the business covid mandate
    to the curb. They did allow for the health care worker mandate to
    continue. I guess they'll have to deal with the healthcare
    shortage crisis another time. There is talk of some hospitals
    dealing with the problem by inviting workers out sick with covid
    to come back to work. Hopefully saner solutions will
    prevail.

    That is true here. I am not sure if the Covid positive nurses only
    work in the Covid ward but it is still pretty silly.

    Suddenly they are certainly down playing Covid danger in some venues.
    "Infected nurses can work"
    "We not doing routine testing of patients on admission anymore"
    (then you can't prove you got it in the hospital)

    OTOH they still wring their hands about how many people die so wear
    your mask and be very afraid.

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  • From wayne.beardsley@gmail.com@21:1/5 to gfre...@aol.com on Thu Jan 13 20:22:19 2022
    On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 8:37:46 PM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 (PST),
    "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote:
    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected >> > government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press? >> >

    About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles.
    All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor.
    The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of
    weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police
    officer.

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    ===

    As of today that is no longer true. >https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
    Federal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence gathering, so there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been
    operating under instructions from the orange menace.
    I agree that "conspiracy" is such a nebulous charge that 3 guys
    drinking in a bar and talking about how easy it would be to "hook a
    chain on that ATM and drag it out of here" could be convicted, even if
    they never left the bar stool and never talked about it again.
    The question is how much of this that was illegal, actually ever
    happened?
    ***************
    According to the seditious conspiracy indictment, the defendants
    conspired through a variety of manners and means, including:
    organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and
    to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates to participate in the conspiracy; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons and supplies – including
    knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with
    plates, helmets, eye protection and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol
    grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder
    and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6,
    2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the
    lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social
    media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to
    communicate with co-conspirators and others.
    *****************

    It does point out the difference between "insurrection" and what
    actually did happen.
    We had a mob show up to demonstrate against the senate vote and the
    feckless police were not capable of stopping them until long after
    they morphed into a riot.

    If it were a real insurrection, those folks actually would have showed
    up in tactical gear, in force, with very capable firearms.
    In that regard, it may be good that they are going after the real
    whackos.
    If King George had hanged everyone who showed up at that square in
    Boston March 1770 where they shot 3 guys and then hanged Paul Revere
    and Sam Adams for reporting it, we would still have a queen. ;)

    ===

    I view the Proud Boys and their ilk as being comparable to Hitler's Brown Shirts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

    We know how that turned out.

    Apparently the FBI eventually succeeded in decrypting some of their planning communications and/or flipping a few members under threat of prosecution.

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com on Fri Jan 14 07:19:32 2022
    On 1/13/2022 3:03 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote:
    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected
    government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press?


    About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles.
    All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor.
    The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of
    weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police
    officer.

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    ===

    As of today that is no longer true. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
    Federal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence gathering, so there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been
    operating under instructions from the orange menace.


    Sedition is a serious charge ... a felony ... and can lead to 20 or more
    years in prison. A military member found guilty can receive a death
    sentence.

    However, there's a difference in "sedition" and "insurrection". The
    latter involves organized armed conflict with the goal of overthrowing
    the existing government. Based on what I've seen and read about Jan
    6th, I don't feel the term "insurrection" accurately defines what
    happened. Many claim it was an attempt to prevent the certification
    of the election. Personally, I think it was more a protest by the
    Trump base. In either case, it was *not* an attempt to overthrow
    the US government.

    It's good for some to keep repeating the word "insurrection" though.
    Adds to the drama and gives CNN and MSNBC
    something to yak about endlessly, daily.

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  • From John H@21:1/5 to waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com on Fri Jan 14 14:00:40 2022
    On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 (PST),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote:
    Essential Meaning of insurrection
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
    He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected
    government.
    acts of insurrection

    Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press?


    About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles.
    All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor.
    The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of
    weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police
    officer.

    Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or
    participating in an insurrection.


    ===

    As of today that is no longer true. >https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
    Federal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence gathering, so there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been
    operating under instructions from the orange menace.

    Don't you wish.

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to John H on Fri Jan 14 14:36:11 2022
    John H <jherring@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 (PST),"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:>On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote: >> > Essential Meaning of insurrection >>
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government >> > He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected >> > government. >> > acts of insurrection >> > >> > Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can
    this be >> > classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press? >> > >> >>> About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles. >> All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor. >> The five charged with a felony crime
    involve having some sort of >> weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police >> officer. >> >> Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or >> participating in an insurrection. >> >>===>>As of today that is no longer
    true. >https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and>Federal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence
    gathering, so there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been operating under instructions from the orange menace.

    Don't you wish.

    I wonder why Wayne is so focused on trying to get Trump charged
    with something. What good could come of it? Justice would be
    better served to lock up Comey. There has to be jail time for the
    FBI lying to congress.





    j
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  • From wayne.beardsley@gmail.com@21:1/5 to justan on Fri Jan 14 12:59:36 2022
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 2:36:13 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:
    John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 (PST),"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote: >> > Essential Meaning of insurrection >> > : a
    usually violent attempt to take control of a government >> > He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected >> > government. >> > acts of insurrection >> > >> > Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be >
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press? >> > >> >>> About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles. >> All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor. >> The five charged with a felony crime involve
    having some sort of >> weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police >> officer. >> >> Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or >> participating in an insurrection. >> >>===>>As of today that is no longer true. >
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and>Federal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence gathering, so
    there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been operating under instructions from the orange menace.

    Don't you wish.
    I wonder why Wayne is so focused on trying to get Trump charged
    with something. What good could come of it? Justice would be
    better served to lock up Comey. There has to be jail time for the
    FBI lying to congress.


    ===

    That's easy. I'd like to be sure that Trump can never again run for public office. The reasons should be obvious.

    If Comey was guilty of a crime, don't you think that the Trump administration would have prosecuted him?

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 14 16:57:45 2022
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
    Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 2:36:13 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r> > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 (PST),"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM
    UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote: >> > Essential Meaning of insurrection >> > : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government >> > He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected >> >
    government. >> > acts of insurrection >> > >> > Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be >> > classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press? >> > >> >>> About 725 people have been charged so far for their
    roles. >> All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor. >> The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of >> weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police >> officer. >> >> Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been
    charged with organizing or >> participating in an insurrection. >> >>===>>As of today that is no longer true. >https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and>Federal prosecutors
    have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence gathering, so there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been operating under
    instructions from the orange menace. > > Don't you wish.> I wonder why Wayne is so focused on trying to get Trump charged > with something. What good could come of it? Justice would be > better served to lock up Comey. There has to be jail time for the >
    FBI lying to congress. > > ===That's easy. I'd like to be sure that Trump can never again run for public office. The reasons should be obvious.If Comey was guilty of a crime, don't you think that the Trump administration would have prosecuted him?

    The reasons you hate Trump are not obvious to me. He has certain
    personality flaws that ought to be overlooked s long as he does
    the job well. And he did his job well. Compared to the turkeys he
    was sandwiched between, he did an exceptional job.

    Probably not. Comey was among many individuals who deserved jail
    time for their crimes.Trump was too busy taking care of more
    important presidential business and defending himself from the
    jackals in the house who put aside their important congressional
    business to try to crucify Trump.
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  • From wayne.beardsley@gmail.com@21:1/5 to justan on Fri Jan 14 14:53:27 2022
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 4:57:48 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:
    "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
    Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 2:36:13 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r> > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 (PST),"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM
    UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote: >> > Essential Meaning of insurrection >> > : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government >> > He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected >> >
    government. >> > acts of insurrection >> > >> > Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be >> > classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press? >> > >> >>> About 725 people have been charged so far for their
    roles. >> All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor. >> The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of >> weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police >> officer. >> >> Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been
    charged with organizing or >> participating in an insurrection. >> >>===>>As of today that is no longer true. >https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and>Federal prosecutors
    have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence gathering, so there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been operating under
    instructions from the orange menace. > > Don't you wish.> I wonder why Wayne is so focused on trying to get Trump charged > with something. What good could come of it? Justice would be > better served to lock up Comey. There has to be jail time for the >
    FBI lying to congress. > > ===That's easy. I'd like to be sure that Trump can never again run for public office. The reasons should be obvious.If Comey was guilty of a crime, don't you think that the Trump administration would have prosecuted him?

    The reasons you hate Trump are not obvious to me. He has certain
    personality flaws that ought to be overlooked s long as he does
    the job well. And he did his job well. Compared to the turkeys he
    was sandwiched between, he did an exceptional job.

    Probably not. Comey was among many individuals who deserved jail
    time for their crimes.Trump was too busy taking care of more
    important presidential business and defending himself from the
    jackals in the house who put aside their important congressional
    business to try to crucify Trump.
    --

    ===

    Let's not forget that Mussolini made the trains run on time. Apparently Trump's attacks on democracy, the constitution, and the rule of law don't bother you. They bother me however, along with his incessant delusional lying, tax cheating, character
    assassination, and sexual assaults.

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 14 18:37:05 2022
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
    Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 4:57:48 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 2:36:13 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r> > On
    Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 (PST),"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote: >> > Essential Meaning of insurrection >> > : a usually
    violent attempt to take control of a government >> > He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected >> > government. >> > acts of insurrection >> > >> > Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be >> >
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press? >> > >> >>> About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles. >> All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor. >> The five charged with a felony crime involve having
    some sort of >> weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police >> officer. >> >> Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or >> participating in an insurrection. >> >>===>>As of today that is no longer true. >https://
    www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and>Federal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence gathering, so there's
    a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been operating under instructions from the orange menace. > > Don't you wish.> I wonder why Wayne is so focused on trying to get Trump charged > with
    something. What good could come of it? Justice would be > better served to lock up Comey. There has to be jail time for the > FBI lying to congress. > > ===That's easy. I'd like to be sure that Trump can never again run for public office. The reasons
    should be obvious.If Comey was guilty of a crime, don't you think that the Trump administration would have prosecuted him? > > The reasons you hate Trump are not obvious to me. He has certain > personality flaws that ought to be overlooked s long as he
    does > the job well. And he did his job well. Compared to the turkeys he > was sandwiched between, he did an exceptional job. > > Probably not. Comey was among many individuals who deserved jail > time for their crimes.Trump was too busy taking care of
    more > important presidential business and defending himself from the > jackals in the house who put aside their important congressional > business to try to crucify Trump.> -- ===Let's not forget that Mussolini made the trains run on time. Apparently
    Trump's attacks on democracy, the constitution, and the rule of law don't bother you. They bother me however, along with his incessant delusional lying, tax cheating, character assassination, and sexual assaults.

    NONSENSE!
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  • From Alex@21:1/5 to waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com on Fri Jan 14 20:04:50 2022
    waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 2:36:13 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:
    John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 (PST),"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote: >> > Essential Meaning of insurrection >> > : a
    usually violent attempt to take control of a government >> > He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected >> > government. >> > acts of insurrection >> > >> > Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be >
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press? >> > >> >>> About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles. >> All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor. >> The five charged with a felony crime involve
    having some sort of >> weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police >> officer. >> >> Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or >> participating in an insurrection. >> >>===>>As of today that is no longer true. >
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and>Federal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence gathering, so
    there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been operating under instructions from the orange menace.
    Don't you wish.
    I wonder why Wayne is so focused on trying to get Trump charged
    with something. What good could come of it? Justice would be
    better served to lock up Comey. There has to be jail time for the
    FBI lying to congress.


    ===

    That's easy. I'd like to be sure that Trump can never again run for public office. The reasons should be obvious.

    If Comey was guilty of a crime, don't you think that the Trump administration would have prosecuted him?

    So you believe he can win again.  That would be up to the voters and it
    could happen.

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to justan on Sat Jan 15 01:38:48 2022
    On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 18:37:05 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:

    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
    Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 4:57:48 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 2:36:13 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r> >
    On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 (PST),"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote: >> > Essential Meaning of insurrection >> > : a
    usually violent attempt to take control of a government >> > He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected >> > government. >> > acts of insurrection >> > >> > Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be >
    classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press? >> > >> >>> About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles. >> All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor. >> The five charged with a felony crime
    involve having some sort of >> weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police >> officer. >> >> Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or >> participating in an insurrection. >> >>===>>As of today that is no longer
    true. >https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and>Federal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence
    gathering, so there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been operating under instructions from the orange menace. > > Don't you wish.> I wonder why Wayne is so focused on trying to get
    Trump charged > with something. What good could come of it? Justice would be > better served to lock up Comey. There has to be jail time for the > FBI lying to congress. > > ===That's easy. I'd like to be sure that Trump can never again run
    for public office. The reasons should be obvious.If Comey was guilty of a crime, don't you think that the Trump administration would have prosecuted him? > > The reasons you hate Trump are not obvious to me. He has certain > personality flaws that ought
    to be overlooked s long as he does > the job well. And he did his job well. Compared to the turkeys he > was sandwiched between, he did an exceptional job. > > Probably not. Comey was among many individuals who deserved jail > time for their crimes.Trump
    was too busy taking care of more > important presidential business and defending himself from the > jackals in the house who put aside their important congressional > business to try to crucify Trump.> -- ===Let's not forget that Mussolini made the
    trains run on time. Apparently Trump's attacks on democracy, the constitution, and the rule of law don't bother you. They bother me however, along with his incessant delusional lying, tax cheating, character assassination, and sexual
    assaults.

    NONSENSE!

    That is just he hyperbole the democrats throw out there so they don't
    have to debate policy.

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com on Sat Jan 15 01:37:32 2022
    On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:53:27 -0800 (PST),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 4:57:48 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:
    "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
    Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 2:36:13 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r> > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 (PST),"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM
    UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On 1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote: >> > Essential Meaning of insurrection >> > : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government >> > He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected >> >
    government. >> > acts of insurrection >> > >> > Seems as if the violence was by the government. So, how can this be >> > classed as an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press? >> > >> >>> About 725 people have been charged so far for their
    roles. >> All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor. >> The five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of >> weapon (not necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police >> officer. >> >> Nobody ... meaning
    *zero* has been charged with organizing or >> participating in an insurrection. >> >>===>>As of today that is no longer true. >https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and>
    Federal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of their investigations and evidence gathering, so there's a good chance that these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if any of them claim to have been
    operating under instructions from the orange menace. > > Don't you wish.> I wonder why Wayne is so focused on trying to get Trump charged > with something. What good could come of it? Justice would be > better served to lock up Comey. There has to be
    jail time for the > FBI lying to congress. > > ===That's easy. I'd like to be sure that Trump can never again run for public office. The reasons should be obvious.If Comey was guilty of a crime, don't you think that the Trump administration would
    have prosecuted him?

    The reasons you hate Trump are not obvious to me. He has certain
    personality flaws that ought to be overlooked s long as he does
    the job well. And he did his job well. Compared to the turkeys he
    was sandwiched between, he did an exceptional job.

    Probably not. Comey was among many individuals who deserved jail
    time for their crimes.Trump was too busy taking care of more
    important presidential business and defending himself from the
    jackals in the house who put aside their important congressional
    business to try to crucify Trump.
    --

    ===

    Let's not forget that Mussolini made the trains run on time. Apparently Trump's attacks on democracy, the constitution, and the rule of law don't bother you. They bother me however, along with his incessant delusional lying, tax cheating, character
    assassination, and sexual assaults.

    Trump is just a symptom of people who are tired of politicians who
    tell the big lies with impunity about things that matter but seldom
    tell little ones that can be checked. They never say anything that
    wasn't "focus group tested".
    They think the system betrayed them and the system has conspired for
    decades to suck the juice out of the middle class to feed the top 0.1%
    and the bottom feeders.
    Immigration is an issue because the newcomers drove down their wages
    and watered down their vote.
    They are also tired of foreign wars that kill their kids and drain
    their treasury with no benefit for the US, just more people to hate
    us.
    Most are still staying quiet because inflation was low and things were
    going smoothly. Trump still got over 70 million votes from people who
    didn't think things were OK and wanted something different.
    If we see Jimmy Carter inflation and interest rates, the demand for
    change will put Trump or someone like him in the white house.

    OTOH if the whole system fails and these folks are desperate, you
    might see a real insurrection and they might blame Trump too.

    I just wonder if the "union" would really go to war this time if some
    of the red states just wanted to secede and did it in the courts.
    Stop being a state of the union. Stop sending money to DC, Stop taking
    money from DC. Stop following federal laws. Be your own country.
    I am not saying it is a good idea but it may not be that far fetched
    to a guy in Wyoming who isn't from LA.
    The precedent might be UK divesting itself of it's colonies, Northern
    Ireland and perhaps soon Scotland. They really just need a trade
    agreement and some reciprocity treaties.
    There was a case before the Scotus in 1869 that ruled as part of the
    decision that secession was unconstitutional but we are not sure the
    Roberts court as it stands would rule the same way and Scotus rulings
    have been overturned many times.
    Technically the constitution is silent on the issue. Secession is not
    described or even defined and certainly not precluded.

    Just one way you might see an insurrection without a war.

    The other way could be real ugly.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com on Sat Jan 15 19:14:42 2022
    waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 4:57:48 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:
    "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
    Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 2:36:13 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> John H
    <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r> > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 >>> (PST),"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>On
    Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On
    1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote: >> > Essential Meaning of insurrection >>
    : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government >> > He
    led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected
    government. >> > acts of insurrection >> > >> > Seems as if the >>>>>>> violence was by the government. So, how can this be >> > classed as >>>>>>> an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press? >> > >> >>>>>>> >>> About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles. >> >>>>>>>>>> All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor. >> The >>>>>>>>>> five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of >> weapon (not
    necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police >> officer. >>>>>>>>>> >> >> Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or >>
    participating in an insurrection. >> >>===>>As of today that is no longer
    true. >https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and>Federal
    prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of
    their investigations and evidence gathering, so there's a good chance that
    these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of them claim to have been operating under instructions from the orange
    menace. > > Don't you wish.> I wonder why Wayne is so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> focused on trying to get Trump charged > with something. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What good could come of it? Justice would be > better served >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to lock up Comey. There has to be jail time for the > FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lying to congress. > > ===That's easy. I'd like to be sure that Trump can
    never again run for public office. The reasons should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> obvious.If Comey was guilty of a crime, don't you think that the Trump
    administration would have prosecuted him?

    The reasons you hate Trump are not obvious to me. He has certain
    personality flaws that ought to be overlooked s long as he does
    the job well. And he did his job well. Compared to the turkeys he
    was sandwiched between, he did an exceptional job.

    Probably not. Comey was among many individuals who deserved jail
    time for their crimes.Trump was too busy taking care of more
    important presidential business and defending himself from the
    jackals in the house who put aside their important congressional
    business to try to crucify Trump.
    --

    ==
    Let's not forget that Mussolini made the trains run on time. Apparently Trump's attacks on democracy, the constitution, and the rule of law don't bother you. They bother me however, along with his incessant delusional lying, tax cheating, character assassination, and sexual assaults.


    Then you should also be ranting against Clinton. Rampant sexual assaults, lying, etc. as to rule of law, both Clinton and Obama were much, much
    worse. Clinton, killing Glass-seagal and Obama tossing contract law with
    GM and the unions. Who is going to count on a secured loan being secured?

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  • From John H@21:1/5 to califbill9998remove8@gmail.com on Sat Jan 15 15:35:00 2022
    On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 19:14:42 -0000 (UTC), Bill
    <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

    waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 4:57:48 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:
    "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
    Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 2:36:13 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> John H >>>> <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r> > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:03:22 -0800 >>>> (PST),"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>On
    Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:49:54 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On
    1/6/2022 8:42 PM, Bill wrote: >> > Essential Meaning of insurrection >> >>>> > : a usually violent attempt to take control of a government >> > He >>>>> led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected >>>>> >> > government. >> > acts of insurrection >> > >> > Seems as if the >>>>>>>> violence was by the government. So, how can this be >> > classed as >>>>>>>> an insurrection, except by a partisan government or press? >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>> About 725 people have been charged so far for their roles. >> >>>>>>>>>>> All but 5 or so have been charged with a misdemeanor. >> The >>>>>>>>>>> five charged with a felony crime involve having some sort of >> weapon (not
    necessarily a firearm) or felony assault on a police >> officer. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Nobody ... meaning *zero* has been charged with organizing or >>
    participating in an insurrection. >> >>===>>As of today that is no longer
    true. >https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and>Federal
    prosecutors have a very high conviction rate thanks to the thoroughness of
    their investigations and evidence gathering, so there's a good chance that
    these charges will stick. It will be interesting to see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of them claim to have been operating under instructions from the orange
    menace. > > Don't you wish.> I wonder why Wayne is so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focused on trying to get Trump charged > with something. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What good could come of it? Justice would be > better served >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to lock up Comey. There has to be jail time for the > FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lying to congress. > > ===That's easy. I'd like to be sure that Trump can
    never again run for public office. The reasons should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obvious.If Comey was guilty of a crime, don't you think that the Trump
    administration would have prosecuted him?

    The reasons you hate Trump are not obvious to me. He has certain
    personality flaws that ought to be overlooked s long as he does
    the job well. And he did his job well. Compared to the turkeys he
    was sandwiched between, he did an exceptional job.

    Probably not. Comey was among many individuals who deserved jail
    time for their crimes.Trump was too busy taking care of more
    important presidential business and defending himself from the
    jackals in the house who put aside their important congressional
    business to try to crucify Trump.
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    Let's not forget that Mussolini made the trains run on time. Apparently
    Trump's attacks on democracy, the constitution, and the rule of law don't
    bother you. They bother me however, along with his incessant delusional
    lying, tax cheating, character assassination, and sexual assaults.


    Then you should also be ranting against Clinton. Rampant sexual assaults, >lying, etc. as to rule of law, both Clinton and Obama were much, much
    worse. Clinton, killing Glass-seagal and Obama tossing contract law with
    GM and the unions. Who is going to count on a secured loan being secured?

    He tends to skip over your questions, Bill. Don't know why that is.

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