Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
CNN - Nov 28, 2022
-- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

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On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
CNN - Nov 28, 2022
-- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
when you let the government be in charge of essential services. Ever
hear of Flint? (A very blue city in a purple state).

https://eeaonline.eea.state.ma.us/DEP/Boil_Order/ https://www.dcwater.com/whats-going-on/news/dc-water-issues-boil-water-advisory-customers-some-neighborhoods-northeast-dc
https://abc7chicago.com/gold-coast-boil-order-water-advisory-chicago-unsafe-drinking/1404084/
https://indexarticles.com/business/business-wire/update-ladwp-lifts-boil-water-advisory-for-west-los-angeles/

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On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
CNN - Nov 28, 2022
-- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
when you let the government be in charge of essential services.

And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.

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bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
CNN - Nov 28, 2022
--
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
when you let the government be in charge of essential services.

And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.

Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red
state, then is only reason is reported by you?

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Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City

Is Under Boil Water Notice >>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 >>> -->>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get >> when you let the government
be in charge of essential services. > > And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.> Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a redstate, then is only reason is reported by you?

Thats FAt Harrys M. O.
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:00:06 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
CNN - Nov 28, 2022
-- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
when you let the government be in charge of essential services.

And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.

You are the one who was trying to make a power failure at a water
plant political. Aren't politicians in charge of government?

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On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
CNN - Nov 28, 2022
--
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
when you let the government be in charge of essential services.

And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.

Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red >state, then is only reason is reported by you?

You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a
power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?

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"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
Wrote in message:r

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM

UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://
edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just
because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government
anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different?

I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable
tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data
centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay
per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still
relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The
Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer
systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to
operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that
generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)


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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:

bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser

<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
CNN - Nov 28, 2022
--
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services.

And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.

Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red >state, then is only reason is reported by you?

You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a
power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?

===

I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different?

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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:

"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
Wrote in message:r

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38

AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>>
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why?
Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the
government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different?

I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable
tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data
centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay
per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still
relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The
Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer
systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to
operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that
generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)
--

===

That would be totally unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however.
They require constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back in August of 1990.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html

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"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
Wrote in message:r

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (

UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.

wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just

being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused
the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water
systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional
data > centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased
Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)> -- ===That would be totally
unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require constant
maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back in August of 1990. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-
subways.html

UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.
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justan <me@here.com> wrote:

"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
Wrote in message:r

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:>
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r >

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com
wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill >
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at
8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022
03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >

Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water >>>>>>>>>>> Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>>
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get >

when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >>
And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or
not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And
because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You
could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power
failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many
other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center
without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I
know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV
companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had
backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events.
Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view
services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and
sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems
required grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network
of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup
power :-)> -- ===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial
services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the
equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS
systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require
constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall
Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back
in August of 1990.
https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html

UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.

Back in the 1980’s, the UPS was a huge bank of batteries to run the system for maybe 30 minutes. While generator got going.

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Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

justan <me@here.com> wrote:> "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>> Wrote in message:r>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:

r >>> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com>>> wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022

8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022>>> 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water>>>>>>>>>>> Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov

28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> when you let the
government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how
many>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the
majority of cable > tV>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Major customers had their own
systems, but still > relied on pay per view>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required
grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power :-)> -- ===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require>>>>>

constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in August of 1990. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.

com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html> > UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.Back in the 1980¡¦s, the UPS was a huge bank of batteries to run the systemfor maybe 30
minutes. While generator got going.

The 80s. I can see pcs and small minis running on battery for a
-- short time.

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On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:45:14 PM UTC-5, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:

"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
Wrote in message:r

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38

AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>>
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why?
Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the
government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different?

I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable
tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data
centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay
per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still
relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The
Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer
systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to
operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that
generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)
--

===

That would be totally unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They

require constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back in August of 1990.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html

The UPS's I've encountered over the years are tested every week on a schedule. The test consists of the generator starting up, the UPS switching to generator power instead of
commercial power for a few minutes, and then shutting back down and back to commercial power. This was in Public Safety installs and in industries like rail and air. Places
where downtime can cost 100's of thousands minimum, or lives can be lost. Mission critical applications. Delaying a plane at the gate, stopping a train, or getting a first responder
killed is not an option.

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On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:26:16 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:

justan <m...@here.com> wrote:

"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
Wrote in message:r

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:>
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > >> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com

wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill >
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at
8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022
03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water >>>>>>>>>>> Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>>

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get >

when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >>
And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or
not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And
because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You
could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power
failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many
other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center
without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I
know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV
companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had
backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events.
Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view
services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and
sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems
required grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network
of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup
power :-)> -- ===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial
services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the
equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS
systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require
constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall
Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back
in August of 1990.
https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html

UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.

Back in the 1980’s, the UPS was a huge bank of batteries to run the system for maybe 30 minutes. While generator got going.

That's how a true online UPS works. The ones you buy for ~$100 to protect your home stuff are standby UPS's. The commercial power is routed
to the equipment being protected until it detects that power going away, then it switches (really fast) over to batteries until it can either switch back to good power
or the batteries die. An online UPS uses commercial power to keep a battery bank charged, and uses an inverter to take that DC power from the batteries
and convert it to AC power for the protected equipment. That equipment never really sees commercial power directly. There is no switchover time for the
AC power to the equipment, the only switchover is from the failed commercial power feed to a generator during the outage to keep the batteries charged.
The protected equipment never even sees a blip. Online does cost a lot more than standby, of course.

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On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:59:18 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:

"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
Wrote in message:r

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -

0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@
gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from
just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that
caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other
water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV companies throughout the US. None of their
regional data > centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or
leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)> -- ===That would be totally
unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require constant
maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back in August of 1990. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-
subways.html

UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.
--

===

Mainframe UPS systems have been around for a long time. They require a big battery bank obviously but they only need to supply power for a few minutes while the generators start and get up to speed. Switchover is automatic, and fast enough that the
computers don't glitch.

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justan <me@here.com> wrote:

Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

justan <me@here.com> wrote:> "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com"
<wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>> Wrote in message:r>> On Tuesday, November
29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" >> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r >>> > On Tuesday, November
29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com>>> wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov
2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >

bruce bowser>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November >>>> 28, 2022 at>>> 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon,
28 Nov 2022>>> 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>>
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools
Monday As City Is Under Boil Water>>>>>>>>>>> Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov
28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html>>>>>>>>>>>

So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get

when you let the government be in charge of essential services.

And why? Just because you say so.
Right? The hell with whether its true

not. > >> > > > >Was

the power company that caused the
problem. And>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it
is a red > >state, then is only reason is
reported by you?> You>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
could just as easily argue, didn't the
government anticipate a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure at some
time or the other? What was the plan?===I
wonder how many>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
water systems lack backup power? No one
would build a data >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> center>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
emergency generators. Why should water
systems be different? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know of a Kalifonia
outfit that serviced the majority of
cable > tV>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> companies
throughout the US. None of their regional
data > centers had>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
backup power except for rental generators
during pay > per view >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Major customers
had their own systems, but still > relied
on pay per view>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
services by the Kalifonia outfit. The >
Kalifonia outfit refurbished

sold or leased

Tandem computer > systems to their
customers. These >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required grid
power to > operate. So now you know of a
very large network>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
systems that > generally didn't
universally avail itself of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power :-)> --
===That would be totally unacceptable in
the financial>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services
world that I come from. Power hits are
also tough on the>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
equipment which is why most data center
generators are front-ended by

systems. Having

generators is not a guarantee however.
They require>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constant
maintenance and testing under load. Many
IT managers on Wall>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Street found that out the hard way when a
major substation went out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in August of 1990.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html>

UPS for main frame computers? I have a
hard time imagining such things.Back in
the 1980’s, the UPS was a huge bank of
batteries to run the systemfor maybe 30
minutes. While generator got going.

The 80s. I can see pcs and small minis running on battery for a
-- short time.

Vote the straight GOP ticket to save the USA and the world as we
know it.

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Nope, battery bank like a submarine. Montgomery Ward ran a IBM 360. An
the generator I think biweekly.

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On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:59:16 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:

"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
Wrote in message:r

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000

(UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@
gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from
just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power

company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how

many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV companies throughout the US. None
of their regional data > centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished
and sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)> --

===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however.

They require constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back in August of 1990. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-
disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html

UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.

We had UPS on all of our water cooled systems here. They were
generally good for about a half hour. That was long enough to find out
if the generator would start and do an orderly shutdown if it
wouldn't. They always started. Some also had huge buried tanks for
chilled water so the UPS didn't need to run the chillers. (at least
not all of them).
There would be a battery room with a hundred or so deep cycle group 27 batteries. When one of our medical service bureau operations got
bought out and got rid of their MP 3084 one of the CEs managed to talk
them out of the UPS and a bunch of batteries. When the county got rid
of their system they couldn't give or sell him their newer batteries
but they let him swap them out one for one. He could run his whole
house, AC and all for several hours and if he was careful with the
loads a day or two.

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gfretwell@aol.com Wrote in message:r

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:59:16 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:>"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>> Wrote in message:r>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <

wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>
On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>>
CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of
essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power>company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could
just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should
water systems be different? > > I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events. Major
customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to > operate. So
now you know of a very large network of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)> -->===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment
which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major
substation went out back in August of 1990. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html>>UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.We had UPS on all of our
water cooled systems here. They weregenerally good for about a half hour. That was long enough to find outif the generator would start and do an orderly shutdown if itwouldn't. They always started. Some also had huge buried tanks forchilled water so the
UPS didn't need to run the chillers. (at leastnot all of them). There would be a battery room with a hundred or so deep cycle group 27batteries. When one of our medical service bureau operations gotbought out and got rid of their MP 3084 one of the CEs
managed to talkthem out of the UPS and a bunch of batteries. When the county got ridof their system they couldn't give or sell him their newer batteriesbut they let him swap them out one for one. He could run his wholehouse, AC and all for several hours
and if he was careful with theloads a day or two.

I hope your restoration is going well. What did you have to do to
repair your electrical service? I imagine all the wiring below
the high water mark had to be scrapped along with submerged
appliances and devices.

Energy is certainly essential to our daily lives. What surprises
me is that we have elected greedy senile fools to oversee and
manage it. Shame on us for letting our country fall into such a
fragile state.
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know it.


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On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 07:34:54 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:

gfretwell@aol.com Wrote in message:r

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:59:16 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:>"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>> Wrote in message:r>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <

wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>
On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>>
CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government

be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power>company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by

you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency
generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay > per
view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems required

grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)> -->===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are

also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out
the hard way when a major substation went out back in August of 1990. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html>>UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.
We had UPS on all of our water cooled systems here. They weregenerally good for about a half hour. That was long enough to find outif the generator would start and do an orderly shutdown if itwouldn't. They always started. Some also

had huge buried tanks forchilled water so the UPS didn't need to run the chillers. (at leastnot all of them). There would be a battery room with a hundred or so deep cycle group 27batteries. When one of our medical service bureau operations gotbought

out and got rid of their MP 3084 one of the CEs managed to talkthem out of the UPS and a bunch of batteries. When the county got ridof their system they couldn't give or sell him their newer batteriesbut they let him swap them out one for one. He could
run his wholehouse, AC and all for several hours and if he was careful with theloads a day or two.

I hope your restoration is going well. What did you have to do to
repair your electrical service? I imagine all the wiring below
the high water mark had to be scrapped along with submerged
appliances and devices.

Energy is certainly essential to our daily lives. What surprises
me is that we have elected greedy senile fools to oversee and
manage it. Shame on us for letting our country fall into such a
fragile state.

The carpet guy is here now and that is the biggest obstacle waiting to
get us back to normal.
Yes I did have to replace a shit load of wiring devices but the
switches were above the flood at 48" so they were OK. I bought a
couple of contractor packs of receptacles and I am about done
replacing them. I didn't panic and rip out all the drywall like most
of my neighbors and I am glad I didn't. I had reason to take some out
yesterday for another project that was in the works before the flood
and I don't see a damned thing wrong with it. This is over 2 months
later. No mold, no mildew. The wall was dry. I did get right on it
tho. Less than 24 hours after the flood I had 2 24" exhaust fans going
and we got all the wet stuff out. (Carpet, furniture etc)

https://gfretwell.com/ftp/Drywall%20face%20post%20ian.JPG https://gfretwell.com/ftp/Dryewall%20post%20ian.JPG

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On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 08:04:26 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser ><bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
CNN - Nov 28, 2022
-- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
when you let the government be in charge of essential services. Ever
hear of Flint? (A very blue city in a purple state).

https://eeaonline.eea.state.ma.us/DEP/Boil_Order/ >https://www.dcwater.com/whats-going-on/news/dc-water-issues-boil-water-advisory-customers-some-neighborhoods-northeast-dc
https://abc7chicago.com/gold-coast-boil-order-water-advisory-chicago-unsafe-drinking/1404084/
https://indexarticles.com/business/business-wire/update-ladwp-lifts-boil-water-advisory-for-west-los-angeles/

Maybe you should file a complaint asshole.

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On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 02:14:07 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:00:06 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser ><bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
CNN - Nov 28, 2022
-- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
when you let the government be in charge of essential services.

And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.

You are the one who was trying to make a power failure at a water
plant political. Aren't politicians in charge of government?

Aren't you in charge of stupid?

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