Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn the 2020 presidential election.The panelfeatured testimony from three Republican officials who were all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:rfeatured testimony from three Republican officials who were all on the receiving
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn the 2020 presidential election.The panel
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's legitimate election victory.CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but witnesses revealednew details Tuesday about how the former President himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors."In this
any dates," McDaniel responded."I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping them in that role," she added.Bowers also told the committee that he receiveda call from Trump and Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state."I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 phone call.The Arizona House speaker also
A cut and paste from a character who claims to be a speech writer.
Too funny. Fat Harry, you're a fraud.
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping >them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_searchWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved >>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including >>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping >>> them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved >>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including >>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping >>>> them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no. >>
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 18:18:47 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart<me@yourservice.com> wrote:>Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection revealed newdetails Tuesday about how former President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn the 2020 presidential election.The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were all on the receivingend of Trump's outreach after
gfretwell@aol.com Wrote in message:r
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 18:18:47 -0400 (EDT), Justan
Ohlphart<me@yourservice.com> wrote:>Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> Today's hearing before >> the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection
revealed new details Tuesday about how former President Donald Trump
pressured state officials to help him overturn the 2020 presidential
election.The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials
who were all on the receivingend of Trump's outreach after the election:
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling
and Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.Like previous
hearings, these officials testified about their unwillingness to
participate in legally dubious schemes that would undermine the
election,including efforts to subvert the Electoral College with fake
pro-Trump electors.Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's
hearing:Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors
effortMultiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally
involved in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in
keybattleground>states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn
Biden's legitimate election victory.CNN has previously reported on the
role that key Trump allies, including his former attorney Rudy Giuliani,
played in overseeing the effort but witnesses revealed new details
Tuesday about how the former President himself was not only awareof the
push, but seemingly endorsed it.Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the
Republican National Committee, testified that she received a call from
Trump and conservative lawyer John Eastman after the election about
helping to assemble the electors."In this effort, what did the President
say when he called you?" an investigator withthe committee asked
McDaniel, according to video of her testimony played during the
hearing."Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then
proceeded to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign
gather these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges
that were ongoing change the result of>any dates," McDaniel responded."I
think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.Bowers also told the committee that he
received a call from Trump and Giuliani during which they urged him to
go along with aplan to put forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from
the state."I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said
on Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
acknowledged what he was proposing had never been done beforebut
continued to push him anyway. That also came up in other conversations
with Eastman and others, Bowers said.For
more:https://www.google.com/advanced_search-- * I just want to find
11,780 votes... *>>A cut and paste from a character who claims to be a
speech writer.>Too funny. Fat Harry, you're a fraud.A quick Google
search shows it is lifted straight from CNN.
Plaigerized lies from CNN. What a mook. Or as the moderator of
Maryland Shooters calls hin, "Asshat".
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze >>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>
the 2020 presidential election. >>>> >>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy GabeSterling and >>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers. >>>> >>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>> undermine the election,
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. >>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani andTrump on the November 22 >>>> phone call. >>>> >>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations
Justan Ohlphart <me@yourservice.com> wrote:> gfretwell@aol.com Wrote in message:r>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 18:18:47 -0400 (EDT), Justan>> Ohlphart<me@yourservice.com> wrote:>Keyser S?ze>> <KeyserS??ze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> Today's hearingbefore>> the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection>> revealed new details Tuesday about how former President Donald Trump>> pressured state officials to help him overturn the 2020 presidential>> election.The panel featured
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze > <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: > > >Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the > >January 6insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former > >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn > >the 2020 presidential election. > > > >The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were > >all on
of any dates," McDaniel responded. > >"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my > >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping > >them in that role," she added. > > > >Bowers also told the"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded > >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather > >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were > >ongoing change the result
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution,
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping >them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_searchWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the===
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved >>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including >>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping >>>>> them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no. >>>
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely >> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the sworn testimony.
Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>> the 2020 presidential election.When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely >> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the sworn testimony.
As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the government?
On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no. >>>>>
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely >>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>> sworn testimony.
government?
No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to
On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >> >>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >> >>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >> >>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >> >>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >> >>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >> >>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >> >>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >> >>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >> >>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >> >>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >> >>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >> >>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >> >>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >> >>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >> >>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >> >>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >> >>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely >> >> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >> >> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >> >> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >> > sworn testimony.
government?
No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved >>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including >>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping >>>>> them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no. >>>
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely >> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >sworn testimony.
On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >> >>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >> >>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >> >>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >> >>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >> >>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >> >>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >> >>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >> >>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >> >>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >> >>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >> >>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >> >>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >> >>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >> >>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >> >>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >> >>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >> >>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely >> >> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >> >> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >> >> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
sworn testimony.
government?
No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No >amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >>> >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved >>> >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including >>> >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >>> >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping >>> >them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >>> >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to
If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
do their job?
Have you seen an indictment?
I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the
jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions
they might get.
We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
hacks who are in an election cycle?
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>> >the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>> >phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to
amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBIWayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
do their job?
Have you seen an indictment?
I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions >they might get.
We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
hacks who are in an election cycle?
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>> >the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >>>> >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved >>>> >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >>>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including >>>> >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >>>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >>>> >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >>>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >>>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping >>>> >them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>> >phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >>>> >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves
amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
do their job?
Have you seen an indictment?
I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the
jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions
they might get.
We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
hacks who are in an election cycle?
Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 14:47:19 UTC-3, John H wrote:to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >> >>> >the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >> >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >> >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >> >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >> >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >> >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >> >>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >> >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >> >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >> >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >> >>> >phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >> >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >> >>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >> >>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >> >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves
amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
do their job?
Have you seen an indictment?
I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the
jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions
they might get.
We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
hacks who are in an election cycle?
Maybe if y'all bark your orders and directives at him you'll get better results.
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:47:17 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. >No
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT), >>>"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>> >the 2020 presidential election.When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >>>>> >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved >>>>> >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >>>>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including >>>>> >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>>>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >>>>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >>>>> >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >>>>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >>>>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping >>>>> >them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>> >phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >>>>> >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves
amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
do their job?
Have you seen an indictment?
I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the >>>jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions >>>they might get.
We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political >>>hacks who are in an election cycle?
Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
It is interesting how quickly these people are willing to abandon free >elections in favor of allowing the party in power to pick the
candidates who can run or not.
I doubt Trump can be elected again but he has every right to try and
if there are "crimes" the justice system should be the ones
investigating and prosecuting. Not a partisan political panel.
People like Wayne and Harry are using an accusation of a crime as >justification to bar a candidate they disagree with.
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 18:18:47 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart ><me@yourservice.com> wrote:featured testimony from three Republican officials who were all on the receiving
Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn the 2020 presidential election.The panel
end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their unwillingness toparticipate in legally dubious schemes that would undermine the election, >including efforts to subvert the Electoral College with fake pro-Trump electors.Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effortMultiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally
revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President himself was not only awarestates -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's legitimate election victory.CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but witnesses
of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors."In thiseffort, what did the President say when he called you?" an investigator with >the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of her testimony played during the hearing."Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather these contingent
received a call from Trump and Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with aany dates," McDaniel responded."I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping them in that role," she added.Bowers also told the committee that he
plan to put forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state."I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 phone call.The Arizona House speaker alsotestified that Giuliani acknowledged what he was proposing had never been done before
but continued to push him anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and others, Bowers said.For more:https://www.google.com/advanced_search-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
A cut and paste from a character who claims to be a speech writer.
Too funny. Fat Harry, you're a fraud.
A quick Google search shows it is lifted straight from CNN.
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:>> Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote: >> > Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >> >>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze >> >>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Today's hearing
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >> >>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >> >>>>> undermine the election, includingThe panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >> >>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >> >>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >> >>>>>
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >> >>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >> >>>>> John EastmanCNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including >> >>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >> >>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >> >>>>>
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved >>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including >>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping >>>>>> them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no. >>>>
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No >>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely >>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No >>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>> sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>> >the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>> >phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to
amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBIWayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
do their job?
Have you seen an indictment?
I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions >they might get.
We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
hacks who are in an election cycle?
On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >> >>> >the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >> >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >> >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >> >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >> >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >> >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >> >>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >> >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >> >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >> >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >> >>> >phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >> >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >> >>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >> >>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >> >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves
college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess howamount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
do their job?
Have you seen an indictment?
I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the
jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions
they might get.
We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
hacks who are in an election cycle?
===
The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of the electoral
On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >> >>> >the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >> >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >> >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >> >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >> >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >> >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >> >>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >> >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >> >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >> >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >> >>> >phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >> >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >> >>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >> >>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >> >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves
college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess how they may proceed. Most likely in my opinion is that they will bring charges against Trump lawyers and staff that actively participated in schemes to flip electoral votes.amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
do their job?
Have you seen an indictment?
I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the
jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions
they might get.
We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
hacks who are in an election cycle?
===
The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of the electoral
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No >>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>> sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about howWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him
overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>> Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>> involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>> including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the
electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to
video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>> proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges
that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>> .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>> helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to
push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the
failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>> like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by
now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not
just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of
investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of
office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>> vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated?  Seems as they just get >>>>> ignored.  Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap.  Cities with more voters than >>>>> residents.  Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first
ran, barely
won.  No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in
that day
also voting.  Used to be a time before registration and voting.
Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But
Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>>> sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > > >On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT), > >"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>On Tuesday,June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze > >>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> >Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the > >>> >January 6
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing: > >>> > > >>> >Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort > >>> >Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved > >>> >in the effort to put forward slates offake electors in key battleground > >>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's > >>> >legitimate election victory. > >>> > > >>> >CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including > >>> >his former attorney
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>>>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>>>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No >>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely >>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>>> sworn testimony.
government?
No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the
house and the speaker (the chain of command)
This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn
officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able
to sack the Capitol.
What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack?
A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with
everyone in it.
On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com>wrote:>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser S?ze>>>>>>> <KeyserS??z...@whitehouse.com>
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>> electors.>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an>>>>>>>>witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>>
Trump and>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recallingwhat he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>> November 22>>>>>>>> phone call.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>> acknowledged what>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>>
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for
On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating >>>>>>>>> theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how >>>>>>>>> former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>>> overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials >>>>>>>>> who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the
election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling >>>>>>>>> and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>>> involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>>> including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>>> lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>>> electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called
you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>>> video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>>> proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign >>>>>>>>> gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>>> that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>>> .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just
were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to >>>>>>>>> put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>>> push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>>> Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the
failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to >>>>>>>> be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by >>>>>>> now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not
just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring >>>>>>> Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero
would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of
investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of
office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>>> vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated?  Seems as they just >>>>>> get
ignored.  Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap.  Cities with more voters than >>>>>> residents.  Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first
ran, barely
won.  No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in >>>>>> that day
also voting.  Used to be a time before registration and voting. >>>>>> Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But >>>>>> Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>>>> sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.
On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS?ze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC),Keyser Soze>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>>
forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>> battleground>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>> involved>>>>>>>> in the effort to put
including>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seeminglyendorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>
Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>> proceeded>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>> that were>>>>>>>>electors.>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>> video of>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "
seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>> failures>>>>>>> on January 6.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>>https://www.google.com/advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> from running in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't
Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:rKeyser Soze>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue,
On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS?z...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC),
of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>> Georgia>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officialsPresident Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>> overturn>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>> video of>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>> electors.>>>>>>>> "
not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>> November 22>>>>>>>> phone call.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>> acknowledged what>>>>Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>> Trump and>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.>>>>>>>> "I told them I did
advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> from running in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out ofhe was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>> push him>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>> office,>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>> vote no.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatjust the>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of >>>>>> investigations>>>>>>
Suit yourself Fat Harry. Remember, you are judged by the company
you keep. Thieves, Thugs, Unions, CNN, and Donnie the
dummy.
P.S. Good luck in your quest to lose 150 lbs. or so. Your heart,
organs and especially your bones will thank you. You might even
be less ugly under all that fat. Who knows.
--
lets go Brandon...
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On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 11:51:34 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:> Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r > > On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS?z...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM,Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 21:12:22 -0700 (PDT),to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >> >>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >> >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturnWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >> >>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >> >>> >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >> >>> >College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >> >>> >
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >> >>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >> >>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >> >>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >> >>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves
college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess how they may proceed. Most likely in my opinion is that they will bring charges against Trump lawyers and staff that actively participated in schemes to flip electoral votes.amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
do their job?
Have you seen an indictment?
I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the >> >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions >> >they might get.
We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
hacks who are in an election cycle?
===
The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of the electoral
Holy shit! You won't answer the legitimate questions posed by either
Greg or Bill, but it's obvious you've become entralled with the live
action bullshit displayed by the one-sided hearing.
Did Trump break a law? Why is the FBI not investigating such?
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 21:12:22 -0700 (PDT),to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >> >>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >> >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturnWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >> >>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >> >>> >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >> >>> >College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >> >>> >
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >> >>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >> >>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >> >>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >> >>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves
college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess how they may proceed. Most likely in my opinion is that they will bring charges against Trump lawyers and staff that actively participated in schemes to flip electoral votes.amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
do their job?
Have you seen an indictment?
I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the >> >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions >> >they might get.
We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
hacks who are in an election cycle?
===
The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of the electoral
Holy shit! You won't answer the legitimate questions posed by either
Greg or Bill, but it's obvious you've become entralled with the live
action bullshit displayed by the one-sided hearing.
Did Trump break a law? Why is the FBI not investigating such?
On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how >>>>>>>>> formerWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>>> overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>>> were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>>> Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>>> involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>>> including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>>> lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>>> electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>>> video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>>> proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>>> that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>>> .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>>> helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>>> push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>>> Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the
failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>>> like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by
now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not
just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of
investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of
office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>>> vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first
ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in
that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting.
Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But >>>>>> Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>>>> sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an >antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.
On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 11:51:34 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:, Keyser Soze>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue,
Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r
On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS?z...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC)
onPresident Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>> overturn>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were>>>>>>>> all
the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>> Georgia>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings,these officials testified about their>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here
seemingly endorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping toincluding>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but
electors from the state.>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>> November 22>>>>>>>> phone call.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker alsowere>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>> .... my>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>> helping>>"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>> proceeded>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>> that
them in that role," she added.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>> Trump and>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump
said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> fromrunning in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>> failures>>>>>>> on January 6.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree
constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>> vote no.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in >>>>> Oregon. No>>>>>such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of >>>>>> investigations>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>> office,>>>>>> the
naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the>>>> sworn testimony.>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they>>> address the securityfailures? (day and time of that testimony)>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly>>> they can't.>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped
Nancy Pelosi > refused the assistance. Why?> > It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from> running again. "Russia,Russia, Russia" certainly proves> that.> > Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now > demanding that
hatefullness that your stubby little fingers have> caused to show up on rec.boats over the 20 some odd years you> have called this newsgroup home. At least when you call me names,> I am assured you are paying attention and possibly taking my>constructive critisism to heart. It's been my pleasure to assist> you to stay in the spotlight. No need to thank me.Mo, shot for brains, I dismiss everything you post as the sharts of a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
Suit yourself Fat Harry. Remember, you are judged by the company
you keep. Thieves, Thugs, Unions, CNN, and Donnie the
dummy.
P.S. Good luck in your quest to lose 150 lbs. or so. Your heart,
organs and especially your bones will thank you. You might even
be less ugly under all that fat. Who knows.
--
lets go Brandon...
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This is rich coming from a Jr member of the Turds Club that meet regularly in The John's toilet bowl.
True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rAM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatr...@
On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 11:51:34 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:> Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r > > On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS?z...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 6/23/22 6:53
presidential election.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>> Georgia>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger,his deputy Gabe Sterling and>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would>>>>>>>>
overturn Biden's>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>> including>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>>witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified
importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>> that were>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reachout and assemble them but >>>>>>>> .... my>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>> helping>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>
Trump and>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recallingwhat he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>> November 22>>>>>>>> phone call.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>> acknowledged what>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but
continued to >>>>>>>> push him>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going toadmit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> from running in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>> failures>>>>>>> on January
that are allowed to run?>>>>>>>>>>>> ===>>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by >>>>>> now that>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not >>>>>> just the>>>>>> crimes onI ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>> like>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates>>>>>>>
6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of >>>>>> investigations>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them,and I find that both sad and>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>> office,>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>> vote no.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds
blame this on Trump"?>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch>>> has insistedCapital. But >>>>> Nancy>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is incredibly naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the>>>> sworn testimony.>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can weran, barely>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in >>>>> that day>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. >>>>> Jan 6>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the
scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves> that.> > Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only> continuing hisCapital.> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi > refused the assistance. Why?> > It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.> The Democrats areYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.>>>>> > > The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the
reaction I was shooting for. Instead> of your stupid insults, I was hoping you'd feel contrite for all> of the lies and hatefullness that your stubby little fingers have> caused to show up on rec.boats over the 20 some odd years you> have called thisnewsgroup home. At least when you call me names,> I am assured you are paying attention and possibly taking my> constructive critisism to heart. It's been my pleasure to assist> you to stay in the spotlight. No need to thank me.Mo, shot for brains, I
https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlThis is rich coming from a Jr member of the Turds Club that meet regularly in The John's toilet bowl.
Rich? How so?
On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>>>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>>>>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No >>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>>>> sworn testimony.
government?
No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the
house and the speaker (the chain of command)
This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn
officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able
to sack the Capitol.
What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack?
A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with
everyone in it.
Unfortunately, the Capitol Police, but for one, were reluctant to shoot
those who burst into the building. The Mossad is Israel's anti-terrorist organization. An appropriate group of Israeli uniformed forces would
have dealt appropriately with the crazed Trumpists.
Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:42:23 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:themselves to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 21:12:22 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >> >> >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >> >> >>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >> >> >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturnWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >> >> >>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >> >> >>> >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >> >> >>> >College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >> >> >>> >
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >> >> >>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >> >> >>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >> >> >>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >> >> >>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring
college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess how they may proceed. Most likely in my opinion is that they will bring charges against Trump lawyers and staff that actively participated in schemes to flip electoral votes.amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
do their job?
Have you seen an indictment?
I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the >> >> >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions >> >> >they might get.
We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
hacks who are in an election cycle?
===
The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of the electoral
Holy shit! You won't answer the legitimate questions posed by either
Greg or Bill, but it's obvious you've become entralled with the live
action bullshit displayed by the one-sided hearing.
Did Trump break a law? Why is the FBI not investigating such?
===
Trump campaign official subpoenaed by FBI appears to be at meeting of fake Arizona electors
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2022/06/23/fbi-subpoenas-thomas-lane-trump-campaign-arizona/7708133001/
On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:42:23 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 21:12:22 -0700 (PDT),> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote: > >> On Wed, 22 Jun2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> >On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT), > >> >"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >>On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >> >>>
that he received a call from Trump and > >> >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put > >> >>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. > >> >>> >"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my > >> >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping > >> >>> >them in that role," she added. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Bowers also told the committee
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:38:51 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart<me@yourservice.com> wrote:>True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 11:51:34 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:> Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>
Wrote in message:r > > On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS?z...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun
wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser S?ze>>>>>>> <KeyserS??z...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesdayabout how >>>>>>>> former>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>> overturn>>>>>>>> the2020>presidential election.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were>>>>>>>>
forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>> battleground>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to>overturn Biden's>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>> involved>>>>>>>> in the effort to put
including>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seeminglyendorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>
Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>> proceeded>>>>>>>> to talk about the>importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>> that were>>>>>>>>electors.>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>> video of>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "
seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>> failures>>>>>>> on January 6.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>>https://www.google.com/advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> from running in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't
On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:> Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't> have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you *demands* foranswers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you *demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
--
* I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 15:51:37 UTC-3, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don'tI've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
*demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
--
* I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
SNERK!
That JohnnyMop never learns. Who was it who said if you keep making the same demands over and over expecting a different result is insane? ;-)
On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you *demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 15:51:37 UTC-3, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don'tI've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
*demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
--
* I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
SNERK!
That JohnnyMop never learns. Who was it who said if you keep making the
same demands over and over expecting a different result is insane? ;-)
Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
*demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
Mostly because it would require you to think and write, not copy and paste.
On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you >*demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
On 6/23/22 3:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't >>>> have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
*demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
Mostly because it would require you to think and write, not copy and paste. >>
Wrong as usual, Bilious. Herring, like a few others here, is a
right-wing asshole and his opinions aren't worthy of serious
consideration.. ,
On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 15:51:37 UTC-3, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don'tI've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
*demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
--
* I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
SNERK!
That JohnnyMop never learns. Who was it who said if you keep making the same demands over and over expecting a different result is insane? ;-)
On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>>>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>>>>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No >>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>>>> sworn testimony.
government?
No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the
house and the speaker (the chain of command)
This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn
officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able
to sack the Capitol.
What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack?
A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with
everyone in it.
Unfortunately, the Capitol Police, but for one, were reluctant to shoot
those who burst into the building. The Mossad is Israel's anti-terrorist >organization. An appropriate group of Israeli uniformed forces would
have dealt appropriately with the crazed Trumpists.
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>>>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>>>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No >>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>>> sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi >refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturnWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and >>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No >>>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >>>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>>>>> sworn testimony.
government?
No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the
house and the speaker (the chain of command)
This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn
officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able
to sack the Capitol.
What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack?
A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with
everyone in it.
Unfortunately, the Capitol Police, but for one, were reluctant to shoot
those who burst into the building. The Mossad is Israel's anti-terrorist
organization. An appropriate group of Israeli uniformed forces would
have dealt appropriately with the crazed Trumpists.
And where was your support to shoot rioters in Santa Monica, Minneapolis, >Portland, Etc.?
On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how >>>>>>>>> formerWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>>> overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>>> were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>>> Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>>> involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>>> including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>>> lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>>> electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>>> video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>>> proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>>> that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>>> .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>>> helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>>> push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>>> Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the
failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>>> like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by >>>>>>> now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not
just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of
investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of
office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>>> vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated?  Seems as they just get >>>>>> ignored.  Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap.  Cities with more voters than >>>>>> residents.  Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first
ran, barely
won.  No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in >>>>>> that day
also voting.  Used to be a time before registration and voting. >>>>>> Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But >>>>>> Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>>>> sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an >antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:07:03 -0400, Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:I don't particularly support Trump but I do like the idea of someone
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports >Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an >antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how >>>>>>>>> former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>>> overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>>> were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>>> Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>>> involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>>> battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>>> including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>>> effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>>> President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>>> lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>>> electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>>> video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>>> proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>>> that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>>> .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>>> helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>>> Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>>> November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>>> push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>>> Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>>> failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>>> like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by >>>>>>> now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not >>>>>>> just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of
investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and >>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>>> office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>>> vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first >>>>>> ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in >>>>>> that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. >>>>>> Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But >>>>>> Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"? >>>>
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they >>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch >>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly >>>> they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to >>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
outside of the same kabal of Remocrat/Depublicans that has driven the
US from the richest country in the world to one on the verge of
bankruptcy with runaway deficits and 25 years of flawed monetary
policy that thinks you can simply "print" your way out of default. Personally I think Perot is the last candidate who actually tried to
point out the problem, at a time when we might have actually been able
to do something about it. Ross Perot and Harry Browne did get the
debate to at least look at run away spending and the result lasted
about 4 years.
After that the powers that be made sure no more people questioning the status quo would ever be allowed to join the debates.
In Clinton's second term the government started the sloppy government
backed NINJA lending that caused the housing crash a decade later and
GW's stupid wars that he didn't pay for ballooned the deficit. Obama
decided we should just crank up the printing press and create money
from thin air and he doubled down on Bush's wars.
The main thing I credit Trump with is stopping the stupid wars but our fiscal policy is still a disaster that is rapidly approaching a cliff
we may not be able to avoid.
It might not matter tho. Joe is well on his way to causing a global
nuclear war and that will end life as we know it.
We are doing the same sort of embargoes on Russia as FDR did to Japan
and you know how that worked out. The difference is nukes ended that
war. They may start the next one.
Sleep tight tho. Huntingtown is outside the immediate blast area
unless they think Pax River Naval Command is worth a couple megatons. Radiation? Well that is another thing.
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:53:45 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North
<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the >>>>> government?
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. >>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and >>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
sworn testimony.
No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the
house and the speaker (the chain of command)
This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn
officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able >>> to sack the Capitol.
What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack?
A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with
everyone in it.
Unfortunately, the Capitol Police, but for one, were reluctant to shoot >> those who burst into the building. The Mossad is Israel's anti-terrorist >> organization. An appropriate group of Israeli uniformed forces would
have dealt appropriately with the crazed Trumpists.
And where was your support to shoot rioters in Santa Monica, Minneapolis, >Portland, Etc.?Michael Brown and Trayvonn Martin were certainly more of an imminent
threat than Ashli Babbitt.
On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:02:08 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:07:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:I don't particularly support Trump but I do like the idea of someone
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how
former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him
overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >> >>>>>>>>> were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >> >>>>>>>>> Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >> >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >> >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally
involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies,
including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >> >>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >> >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative
lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the
electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to
video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then
proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges
that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but
.... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >> >>>>>>>>> helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >> >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to
push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >> >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop
Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the
failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >> >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >> >>>>>>>> like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >> >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by
now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not
just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of
investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of
office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I
vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >> >>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first
ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in
that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting.
Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But
Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"? >> >>>>
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch >> >>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly >> >>>> they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an
antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.
outside of the same kabal of Remocrat/Depublicans that has driven the
US from the richest country in the world to one on the verge of
bankruptcy with runaway deficits and 25 years of flawed monetary
policy that thinks you can simply "print" your way out of default.
Personally I think Perot is the last candidate who actually tried to
point out the problem, at a time when we might have actually been able
to do something about it. Ross Perot and Harry Browne did get the
debate to at least look at run away spending and the result lasted
about 4 years.
After that the powers that be made sure no more people questioning the
status quo would ever be allowed to join the debates.
In Clinton's second term the government started the sloppy government
backed NINJA lending that caused the housing crash a decade later and
GW's stupid wars that he didn't pay for ballooned the deficit. Obama
decided we should just crank up the printing press and create money
from thin air and he doubled down on Bush's wars.
The main thing I credit Trump with is stopping the stupid wars but our
fiscal policy is still a disaster that is rapidly approaching a cliff
we may not be able to avoid.
It might not matter tho. Joe is well on his way to causing a global
nuclear war and that will end life as we know it.
We are doing the same sort of embargoes on Russia as FDR did to Japan
and you know how that worked out. The difference is nukes ended that
war. They may start the next one.
Sleep tight tho. Huntingtown is outside the immediate blast area
unless they think Pax River Naval Command is worth a couple megatons.
Radiation? Well that is another thing.
===
You do Ross Perot a huge disservice by comparing him to Trump. Although far from perfect, he had a well developed sense of ethics and came by his wealth honestly.
On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:06:33 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:found to be within the scope of his responsibilities.
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:53:45 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:Michael Brown and Trayvonn Martin were certainly more of an imminent
On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North
<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >> >>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >> >>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >> >>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >> >>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >> >>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >> >>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >> >>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
sworn testimony.
government?
No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the
house and the speaker (the chain of command)
This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn
officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able >> >>> to sack the Capitol.
What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack?
A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with
everyone in it.
Unfortunately, the Capitol Police, but for one, were reluctant to shoot >> >> those who burst into the building. The Mossad is Israel's anti-terrorist >> >> organization. An appropriate group of Israeli uniformed forces would
have dealt appropriately with the crazed Trumpists.
And where was your support to shoot rioters in Santa Monica, Minneapolis, >> >Portland, Etc.?
threat than Ashli Babbitt.
===
Why all the sympathy for Ashli Babbitt? She was at the front of a mob that was trying to find and attack Mike Pence. She was shot by an armed guard who was hired to protect members of congress among other things. His actions were investigated and
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >>>>>>>>> phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >>>>>>>> on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No >>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>>>> sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
sales.
On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> wrote:
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and >>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No >>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"? >>>>
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they >>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch >>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly >>>> they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to >>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more sales.
Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 15:27:25 -0700 (PDT),"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:06:33 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:53:45 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: >> >> On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North >> >>> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On Wednesday, 22
testimony from three Republican officials who were >> >>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >> >>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >> >>>>>>>>>> Arizona House ofJanuary 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >> >>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >> >>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> The panel featured
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >> >>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >> >>>>>>>>>> to talk abouttestified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >> >>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >> >>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >> >>>>>>>>>>
On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 7:02:02 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: > >>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: > >>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze > >>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On
legitimate election victory. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including > >>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but > >>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new detailsMultiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved > >>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground > >>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's > >>>>>>>>>
urged him to go along with a plan to put > >>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. > >>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on > >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump onunderstanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping > >>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and > >>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they
millions of adoring Trump > >>>>>>> fans who can not bring=== > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that > >>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the > >>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have
On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturnWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and >>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the >>>>>> sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"? >>>>>
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch >>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly >>>>> they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
sales.
Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.
"345...@gmail.com" <3452471@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r<gfre...@aol.com> wrote: > >>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze > >>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>>
On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 7:02:02 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: > >>>
pressured state officials to help him overturn > >>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidentialOn Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze > >>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the > >>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former > >>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump
fake pro-Trump electors. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort > >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved > >>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fakeArizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their > >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would > >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral > >>>>>>>>> College withThe panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were > >>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia > >>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and > >>>>>>>
overturn Biden's > >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including > >>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but > >>>>>>>>>witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President > >>>>>>>>>
but continued to push him > >>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and > >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> For more: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search > >>>>>>>> When areyou folks going to admit this isn't a January 6 > >>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump > >>>>>>>> from running in 2024. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures > >>>>>>>> on January 6. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I
election, and not just the > >>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump > >>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do > >>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount ofinvestigations > >>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and > >>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, > >>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as
victims for the crimes. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> The whole thing ... the >"rally" and the protest at the Capital > >> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he > >> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital. > >> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection > >> would do that.sworn testimony. > >>>> > >>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"? > >>>> > >>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they > >>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony) > >>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branchalso voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 > >>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy > >>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> That is incredibly naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the > >>>
has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly >they can't. > >>>> > >>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to > >>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response. > >>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman. > >>>> > >>> You are blaming the
individual station owners they would > > explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first > > place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some > > food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made. > > If I wasa suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card > > skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside > > to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more > > sales. > >> Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon. But the Dems think any business is evil, and shouldn't make a
Which begs the question, "How did most of the Democrat politicians
get so rich?". Graft and corruption perhaps?
On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:02:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:
On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >>>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how formerWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >>>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >>>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >>>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >>>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. >>>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >>>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >>>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and >>>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >>>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >>>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"? >>>>>>
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they >>>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch >>>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly >>>>>> they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to >>>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi >>>> refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to >>>> their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
sales.
Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.
That ends up being 20-30 cents per customer. They make more on the
coffee. The cup and lid may be the most expensive part.
On 6/24/2022 7:57 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:02:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:
On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com> >>>> wrote:
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4,
gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committeeWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6 >>>>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to >>>>>>>>>>> stop Trump
investigating the
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about >>>>>>>>>>>> how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>>>>>> overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials >>>>>>>>>>>> who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the >>>>>>>>>>>> election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe >>>>>>>>>>>> Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that >>>>>>>>>>>> would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the >>>>>>>>>>>> Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was
personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>>>>>> battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump >>>>>>>>>>>> allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>>>>>> effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>>>>>> President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly
endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National
Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and
conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble >>>>>>>>>>>> the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called >>>>>>>>>>>> you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>>>>>> video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who >>>>>>>>>>>> then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign >>>>>>>>>>>> gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal
challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them >>>>>>>>>>>> but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just >>>>>>>>>>>> were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>>>>>> Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan >>>>>>>>>>>> to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. >>>>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers >>>>>>>>>>>> said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>>>>>> November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>>>>>> push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with
Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>>>>>> failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up >>>>>>>>>>> to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going >>>>>>>>>>> to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the
candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear >>>>>>>>>> by now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and >>>>>>>>>> not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of
adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero >>>>>>>>>> would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of
investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and >>>>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>>>>>> office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run
again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated?  Seems as they >>>>>>>>> just get
ignored.  Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in >>>>>>>>> Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap.  Cities with more voters >>>>>>>>> than
residents.  Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first >>>>>>>>> ran, barely
won.  No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn >>>>>>>>> in that day
also voting.  Used to be a time before registration and
voting.  Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. >>>>>>>>> But Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any >>>>>>>> of the
sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on
Trump"?
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they >>>>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative
branch
has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and
clearly
they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to >>>>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi >>>>> refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to >>>>> their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
sales.
Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.
That ends up being 20-30 cents per customer. They make more on the
coffee. The cup and lid may be the most expensive part.
When I was a kid working at a Shell station after school the
concept of the station also being a "convenience" store didn't
exist although I think we sold a limited selection of
cigarettes. Most profits came from auto repairs, tires, oil changes,
and a small collection of used cars offered for sale.
I worked for an old timer who owned the station. No "self serve".
We pumped gas for every customer, cleaned their windshield and
back window and always offered to "check under the hood".
Those days don't exist anymore.
On 6/24/2022 7:57 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:02:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:
On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com> >>>> wrote:
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6 >>>>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >>>>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >>>>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. >>>>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >>>>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and >>>>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >>>>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"? >>>>>>>
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they >>>>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch >>>>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly >>>>>>> they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to >>>>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi >>>>> refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to >>>>> their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
sales.
Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.
That ends up being 20-30 cents per customer. They make more on the
coffee. The cup and lid may be the most expensive part.
When I was a kid working at a Shell station after school the
concept of the station also being a "convenience" store didn't
exist although I think we sold a limited selection of
cigarettes. Most profits came from auto repairs, tires, oil changes,
and a small collection of used cars offered for sale.
I worked for an old timer who owned the station. No "self serve".
We pumped gas for every customer, cleaned their windshield and
back window and always offered to "check under the hood".
Those days don't exist anymore.
On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 07:13:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:
On 6/24/2022 7:57 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:02:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:
On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com> >>>>> wrote:
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating theWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6 >>>>>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >>>>>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >>>>>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. >>>>>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
For more:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >>>>>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and >>>>>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >>>>>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"? >>>>>>>>
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they >>>>>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony) >>>>>>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch >>>>>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly >>>>>>>> they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to >>>>>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi >>>>>> refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to >>>>>> their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside >>>>> to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more >>>>> sales.
Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.
That ends up being 20-30 cents per customer. They make more on the
coffee. The cup and lid may be the most expensive part.
When I was a kid working at a Shell station after school the
concept of the station also being a "convenience" store didn't
exist although I think we sold a limited selection of
cigarettes. Most profits came from auto repairs, tires, oil changes,
and a small collection of used cars offered for sale.
I worked for an old timer who owned the station. No "self serve".
We pumped gas for every customer, cleaned their windshield and
back window and always offered to "check under the hood".
Those days don't exist anymore.
I was talking about this with my wife. We can trace the end of
"service stations" to the oil problems of the 70s.
People were willing to pump their own gas when it was scarce ... if
the station owner would let them. It got normalized and the stations
stopped doing it. Your corner gas station became a mini mart where the business model was making money of merchandise and food. Now you have
to go to Oregon or New Jersey to get your gas pumped. I assume they
want a tip in New Jersey.
On 6/25/22 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/24/2022 7:57 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:02:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:
On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com> >>>>> wrote:
On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser SozeYou are blaming the victims for the crimes.
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4,
gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
Today's hearing before the House select committeeWhen are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6 >>>>>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to >>>>>>>>>>>> stop Trump
investigating the
January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about >>>>>>>>>>>>> how former
President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help >>>>>>>>>>>>> him overturn
the 2020 presidential election.
The panel featured testimony from three Republican
officials who were
all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the >>>>>>>>>>>>> election: Georgia
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sterling and
Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >>>>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes >>>>>>>>>>>>> that would
undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Electoral
College with fake pro-Trump electors.
Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors >>>>>>>>>>>>> effort
Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was >>>>>>>>>>>>> personally involved
in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>>>>>>> battleground
states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump >>>>>>>>>>>>> allies, including
his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>>>>>>> effort but
witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>>>>>>> President
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly >>>>>>>>>>>>> endorsed it.
Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National >>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee,
testified that she received a call from Trump and
conservative lawyer
John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble >>>>>>>>>>>>> the electors.
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called >>>>>>>>>>>>> you?" an
investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according >>>>>>>>>>>>> to video of
her testimony played during the hearing.
"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who >>>>>>>>>>>>> then proceeded
to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the
campaign gather
these contingent electors in case any of the legal
challenges that were
ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >>>>>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them >>>>>>>>>>>>> but .... my
understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just >>>>>>>>>>>>> were helping
them in that role," she added.
Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump and
Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a >>>>>>>>>>>>> plan to put
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. >>>>>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers >>>>>>>>>>>>> said on
Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> November 22
phone call.
The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged what
he was proposing had never been done before but continued >>>>>>>>>>>>> to push him
anyway. That also came up in other conversations with >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eastman and
others, Bowers said.
For more:
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from running in 2024.
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about >>>>>>>>>>>> the failures
on January 6.
I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up >>>>>>>>>>>> to the
voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going >>>>>>>>>>>> to be like
the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the >>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
that are allowed to run?
===
I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear >>>>>>>>>>> by now that
numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and >>>>>>>>>>> not just the
crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of >>>>>>>>>>> adoring Trump
fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero >>>>>>>>>>> would do
such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of >>>>>>>>>>> investigations
or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and >>>>>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath >>>>>>>>>>> of office,
the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run
again? I vote no.
What about the real voter frauds perpetrated?  Seems as they >>>>>>>>>> just get
ignored.  Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in >>>>>>>>>> Oregon. No
penalty. Not even a hard hand slap.  Cities with more voters >>>>>>>>>> than
residents.  Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she >>>>>>>>>> first ran, barely
won.  No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn >>>>>>>>>> in that day
also voting.  Used to be a time before registration and >>>>>>>>>> voting.  Jan 6
was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. >>>>>>>>>> But Nancy
and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any >>>>>>>>> of the
sworn testimony.
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on
Trump"?
This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they >>>>>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony) >>>>>>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative >>>>>>>> branch
has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and
clearly
they can't.
This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to >>>>>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy
Pelosi
refused the assistance. Why?
It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.
Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas
prices to
their cost.
What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside >>>>> to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more >>>>> sales.
Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.
That ends up being 20-30 cents per customer. They make more on the
coffee. The cup and lid may be the most expensive part.
When I was a kid working at a Shell station after school the
concept of the station also being a "convenience" store didn't
exist although I think we sold a limited selection of
cigarettes. Most profits came from auto repairs, tires, oil changes,
and a small collection of used cars offered for sale.
I worked for an old timer who owned the station. No "self serve".
We pumped gas for every customer, cleaned their windshield and
back window and always offered to "check under the hood".
Those days don't exist anymore.
One of my afterschool jobs in New Haven was working at the Shell station
at Whalley and Howe, at the edge of downtown. :) Same job you had.
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