• Re: C.P. Addition: Isolde le Rous, wife of Walter de Balun and Hugh de

    From Darrell E. Larocque@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 26 17:36:06 2021
    My line of descent from Isolde le Rous is through Charles Barnes of East Hampton, NY:

    Isolde le Rous=Sir Hugh de Audley
    Alice de Audley=Sir Ralph de Neville
    Margaret de Neville=Sir Henry Percy
    Sir Henry Percy [Hotspur]=Elizabeth Mortimer
    Elizabeth Percy=Sir John Clifford
    Sir Thomas Clifford=Joan Dacre
    Elizabeth Clifford=Sir William Plumpton
    Elizabeth Sothill=John Sothill, of Stockfaston
    Sir Henry Sothill=Joan Empson
    Elizabeth Sothill=Sir William Drury MP
    Robert Drury, Esq, MP=Audrey Etheldreda Rich
    Dorothy Drury=Edward Barnes, Esq
    William Barnes, Esq=Thomasine Shepherd
    Charles Barnes of East Hampton=Mary Hand
    John Barnes=Hannah Linsley
    Mary Barnes=Stephen Barnes, Sr.
    Stephen Barnes, Jr.=Martha Wheadon
    Stephen Barnes III=Sarah Barnes
    Mark Barnes=Sarah Roberts
    Abigail Barnes=Aretus Clapp, Sr.
    Aretus Clapp, Jr.=Sarah Sumner
    Cora Clapp=Henry Newell Auby
    Kenneth Auby=Nina Rossman
    My mother=Darrell R. Larocque
    Myself

    I very much wish to also find the connection to William Barnes (d. 1699, of East Hampton) to this family! I know it exists but how to prove it is so difficult. Here is my summation on Wynkoop and what I think could be going on here IRT William Barnes:

    "Wynkoop Articles On William Barnes

    In his 1906 article The Barnes Family of Easthampton, L.I., Richard Wynkoop concluded that William Barnes, who died 1 DEC 1699 and married Elizabeth, was most likely the son of Charles Barnes schoolmaster at Easthampton. However in 1910, Wynkoop
    retracted this conclusion, stating "It seems that Charles Barnes was the head of a family, radiating from Easthampton, including Shamgar Barnes and Benjamin Barnes... but not including William Barnes, whose widow was Elizabeth."

    Wynkoop also states that he "could not have been the child of any of the other early Barnes within that region" which does not account for William Barnes, son of William Barnes and Thomasine Shepherd, who married Sarah Evans in England. William came to
    the colonies in the 1640s, living in Salem and eventually Long Island, but returned to England, where he died. Although Sarah Evans Barnes died in 1648, they did have a son together who is unnamed along with 2 daughters after her death."

    William Barnes and Sarah Evans could be, but who knows? The mystery continues!

    D. E. Larocque


    The second item commencing on page 142 states that Walter de Balun and his wife, Isolde, were enfeoffed with the manor of Much Marcle, Herefordshire by Roger le Rous (Isolde's father).

    For interest's sake, below is a list of the numerous 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Isolde le Rous and her 2nd husband, Sir Hugh de Audley, Lord Audley:

    Robert Abell, Elizabeth Alsop, William Asfordby, Charles Barnes, Dorothy Beresford, Richard & William Bernard, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Charles Calvert, Edward Carleton,
    Grace Chetwode, St. Leger Codd, James Cudworth, Francis Dade, Humphrey Davie, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Digges, Robert Drake, William Farrer, John Fenwick, Henry Fleete, Edward Foliot, Muriel Gurdon, Elizabeth & John Harleston, Warham
    Horsmanden, Hannah, Samuel & Sarah Levis, Thomas Ligon, Nathaniel Littleton, Thomas Lloyd, Thomas Lunsford, Agnes Mackworth, Anne, Elizabeth & John Mansfield, Anne & Katherine Marbury, Anne Mauleverer, Richard More, John and Margaret Nelson, Philip &
    Thomas Nelson, Robert Peyton, Henry & William Randolph, George Reade, William Rodney, Thomas Rudyard, Katherine Saint Leger, Richard Saltonstall, William Skepper, Mary Johanna Somerset, Samuel & William Torrey, Margaret Touteville, Olive Welby, Hawte
    Wyatt, Amy Wyllys.

    If you descend from Isolde le Rous, I'd appreciate it greatly if you would post your line of descent(s) from this lady here on the newsgroup.

    Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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  • From Robert Rouse@21:1/5 to Douglas Richardson on Sun Jan 8 06:31:57 2023
    On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 10:15:10 AM UTC, Douglas Richardson wrote:
    Dear Newsgroup ~

    Isolde (died 1338), wife successively of Sir Walter de Balun (died 1287) and Sir Hugh de Audley, Lord Audley (died 1325) is claimed in many secondary sources to have been a member of Mortimer family. Two such sources which make the Mortimer claim
    include Complete Peerage 1 (1910): 347–348 (sub Audley) and James Horace Round, Studies in Peerage and Family History (1901): 206–209. While it is true that Isolde and her 1st husband, Sir Walter de Balun, had the manor of Arley, Staffordshire for
    the term of their lives by grant dated 1287 from Sir Edmund de Mortimer, such a grant does not necessarily mean, suggest, or imply that Isolde was a Mortimer. Beyond the numerous claims in print that Isolde was a Mortimer, I know of no contemporary
    evidence which supports this allegation.

    What evidence we do have includes a contemporary inquisition dated 1326, which indicates that the manor of Eastington, Gloucestershire was settled on Sir Walter de Balun and Isolde his wife for life, and the heirs of her body. Following Sir Walter de
    Balun's death, Isolde and her 2nd husband, Sir Hugh de Audley, were afterwards seised of this manor. A pertinent part of the 1326 inquisition is copied below:

    "Gloucestershire. — The Jurors find that Walter de Balun and Isolda his wife, by proceeding in the King's Court at Gloucester, had settled the Manor of Eastington on himself for life, and upon Isolda his wife and the heirs of her body. That by the
    operation of such settlement they had seisin of this Manor during the life of the said Walter, and then Isolda had seisin thereof as his widow, and that Isolda and Hugh d'Audley were also seised thereof, until the fifteenth of the present King, when the
    Manor passed into the King's hands as forfeited by the treason of the said Hugh d'Audley, and still continues in such custody. That the Manor was held of the heirs of Nicholas de Merley by half a Knights-fee, and was of the annual value of £20 15s." END
    OF QUOTE.

    Reference: Duncumbe, Collections Towards the History and Antiquities of the County of Hereford 3 (1882): 7, which may be viewed at the following weblink:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=0zxAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA7

    The above record proves that Isolde had the manor of Eastington, Gloucestershire settled on her and her heirs before the death of her first husband, Sir Walter de Balun. As such, in her 1st widowhood, she would have held claim to the manor of
    Eastington, Gloucestershire in her own right, not by right of dower.

    In recent time, I have located a Common Pleas record dated 1289 which proves that Isolde was the daughter of Sir Roger le Rous [died 1294], of Harescombe and Duntisbourne, Gloucestershire, Sheriff of Gloucestershire, 1278–79, Sheriff of Herefordshire,
    1293–94, Knight of the Shire for Gloucestershire, 1283, Knight of the Shire for Herefordshire, 1290, itinerant judge, by his wife, Eleanor de Avenbury.

    Below is an abstract of this lawsuit:

    In 1289 Isolde daughter of Roger le Rus sued Reynold de Balun in the Court of Common Pleas regarding the manor of Eastington, Gloucestershire, which she claimed as her right. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/78, image 650f (available at http://
    aalt.law.uh.edu/E1/CP40no78/aCP40no78fronts/IMG_0650.htm).

    The plaintiff above is Isolde "daughter of Roger le Rus" who can only be Isolde, widow of Sir Walter de Balun, who then held the manor of Eastington, Gloucestershire in her own right. The defendant was Sir Walter de Balun's nephew and heir, Reynold de
    Balun. Isolde was presumably seeking a release from her late husband's nephew to any claim he might have to the manor of Eastington, Gloucestershire. A similar lawsuit was lodged against Reginald de Balun regarding Isolde's dower rights in Much Marcle,
    Herefordshire. See Year Books of Edward I: Years XX & XXI 1 (Rolls Ser. 31a) (1866): 128–129, 142-146, which may be viewed at the following weblink:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=T8tCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA128

    https://books.google.com/books?id=T8tCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA142

    The second item commencing on page 142 states that Walter de Balun and his wife, Isolde, were enfeoffed with the manor of Much Marcle, Herefordshire by Roger le Rous (Isolde's father).

    For interest's sake, below is a list of the numerous 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Isolde le Rous and her 2nd husband, Sir Hugh de Audley, Lord Audley:

    Robert Abell, Elizabeth Alsop, William Asfordby, Charles Barnes, Dorothy Beresford, Richard & William Bernard, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Charles Calvert, Edward Carleton,
    Grace Chetwode, St. Leger Codd, James Cudworth, Francis Dade, Humphrey Davie, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Digges, Robert Drake, William Farrer, John Fenwick, Henry Fleete, Edward Foliot, Muriel Gurdon, Elizabeth & John Harleston, Warham
    Horsmanden, Hannah, Samuel & Sarah Levis, Thomas Ligon, Nathaniel Littleton, Thomas Lloyd, Thomas Lunsford, Agnes Mackworth, Anne, Elizabeth & John Mansfield, Anne & Katherine Marbury, Anne Mauleverer, Richard More, John and Margaret Nelson, Philip &
    Thomas Nelson, Robert Peyton, Henry & William Randolph, George Reade, William Rodney, Thomas Rudyard, Katherine Saint Leger, Richard Saltonstall, William Skepper, Mary Johanna Somerset, Samuel & William Torrey, Margaret Touteville, Olive Welby, Hawte
    Wyatt, Amy Wyllys.

    If you descend from Isolde le Rous, I'd appreciate it greatly if you would post your line of descent(s) from this lady here on the newsgroup.

    Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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  • From Robert Rouse@21:1/5 to Douglas Richardson on Sun Jan 8 06:38:58 2023
    On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 10:15:10 AM UTC, Douglas Richardson wrote:
    Dear Newsgroup ~

    Isolde (died 1338), wife successively of Sir Walter de Balun (died 1287) and Sir Hugh de Audley, Lord Audley (died 1325) is claimed in many secondary sources to have been a member of Mortimer family. Two such sources which make the Mortimer claim
    include Complete Peerage 1 (1910): 347–348 (sub Audley) and James Horace Round, Studies in Peerage and Family History (1901): 206–209. While it is true that Isolde and her 1st husband, Sir Walter de Balun, had the manor of Arley, Staffordshire for
    the term of their lives by grant dated 1287 from Sir Edmund de Mortimer, such a grant does not necessarily mean, suggest, or imply that Isolde was a Mortimer. Beyond the numerous claims in print that Isolde was a Mortimer, I know of no contemporary
    evidence which supports this allegation.

    What evidence we do have includes a contemporary inquisition dated 1326, which indicates that the manor of Eastington, Gloucestershire was settled on Sir Walter de Balun and Isolde his wife for life, and the heirs of her body. Following Sir Walter de
    Balun's death, Isolde and her 2nd husband, Sir Hugh de Audley, were afterwards seised of this manor. A pertinent part of the 1326 inquisition is copied below:

    "Gloucestershire. — The Jurors find that Walter de Balun and Isolda his wife, by proceeding in the King's Court at Gloucester, had settled the Manor of Eastington on himself for life, and upon Isolda his wife and the heirs of her body. That by the
    operation of such settlement they had seisin of this Manor during the life of the said Walter, and then Isolda had seisin thereof as his widow, and that Isolda and Hugh d'Audley were also seised thereof, until the fifteenth of the present King, when the
    Manor passed into the King's hands as forfeited by the treason of the said Hugh d'Audley, and still continues in such custody. That the Manor was held of the heirs of Nicholas de Merley by half a Knights-fee, and was of the annual value of £20 15s." END
    OF QUOTE.

    Reference: Duncumbe, Collections Towards the History and Antiquities of the County of Hereford 3 (1882): 7, which may be viewed at the following weblink:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=0zxAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA7

    The above record proves that Isolde had the manor of Eastington, Gloucestershire settled on her and her heirs before the death of her first husband, Sir Walter de Balun. As such, in her 1st widowhood, she would have held claim to the manor of
    Eastington, Gloucestershire in her own right, not by right of dower.

    In recent time, I have located a Common Pleas record dated 1289 which proves that Isolde was the daughter of Sir Roger le Rous [died 1294], of Harescombe and Duntisbourne, Gloucestershire, Sheriff of Gloucestershire, 1278–79, Sheriff of Herefordshire,
    1293–94, Knight of the Shire for Gloucestershire, 1283, Knight of the Shire for Herefordshire, 1290, itinerant judge, by his wife, Eleanor de Avenbury.

    Below is an abstract of this lawsuit:

    In 1289 Isolde daughter of Roger le Rus sued Reynold de Balun in the Court of Common Pleas regarding the manor of Eastington, Gloucestershire, which she claimed as her right. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/78, image 650f (available at http://
    aalt.law.uh.edu/E1/CP40no78/aCP40no78fronts/IMG_0650.htm).

    The plaintiff above is Isolde "daughter of Roger le Rus" who can only be Isolde, widow of Sir Walter de Balun, who then held the manor of Eastington, Gloucestershire in her own right. The defendant was Sir Walter de Balun's nephew and heir, Reynold de
    Balun. Isolde was presumably seeking a release from her late husband's nephew to any claim he might have to the manor of Eastington, Gloucestershire. A similar lawsuit was lodged against Reginald de Balun regarding Isolde's dower rights in Much Marcle,
    Herefordshire. See Year Books of Edward I: Years XX & XXI 1 (Rolls Ser. 31a) (1866): 128–129, 142-146, which may be viewed at the following weblink:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=T8tCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA128

    https://books.google.com/books?id=T8tCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA142

    The second item commencing on page 142 states that Walter de Balun and his wife, Isolde, were enfeoffed with the manor of Much Marcle, Herefordshire by Roger le Rous (Isolde's father).

    For interest's sake, below is a list of the numerous 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Isolde le Rous and her 2nd husband, Sir Hugh de Audley, Lord Audley:

    Robert Abell, Elizabeth Alsop, William Asfordby, Charles Barnes, Dorothy Beresford, Richard & William Bernard, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Charles Calvert, Edward Carleton,
    Grace Chetwode, St. Leger Codd, James Cudworth, Francis Dade, Humphrey Davie, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Digges, Robert Drake, William Farrer, John Fenwick, Henry Fleete, Edward Foliot, Muriel Gurdon, Elizabeth & John Harleston, Warham
    Horsmanden, Hannah, Samuel & Sarah Levis, Thomas Ligon, Nathaniel Littleton, Thomas Lloyd, Thomas Lunsford, Agnes Mackworth, Anne, Elizabeth & John Mansfield, Anne & Katherine Marbury, Anne Mauleverer, Richard More, John and Margaret Nelson, Philip &
    Thomas Nelson, Robert Peyton, Henry & William Randolph, George Reade, William Rodney, Thomas Rudyard, Katherine Saint Leger, Richard Saltonstall, William Skepper, Mary Johanna Somerset, Samuel & William Torrey, Margaret Touteville, Olive Welby, Hawte
    Wyatt, Amy Wyllys.

    If you descend from Isolde le Rous, I'd appreciate it greatly if you would post your line of descent(s) from this lady here on the newsgroup.

    Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
    Hello, My name Robert James Rouse b 1947 in Chiswick London UK.
    Email :robertrouse49@gmail.com
    Ref: Isolde Le Rouse
    Roger Sheriff of Gloucestershire Le Rouse ❤️
    1237–1294
    Birth 1237 • Harescombe, Gloucestershire, England
    Death 31/8/1294
    Marries:
    Alianore DeAvenbury
    1241–1313
    Birth 1241 • Avenbury, Herefordshire, England
    Death 1313 • Harescombe, Gloucestershire, England
    Their daughter:

    Isolde Le Rouse
    1270–1338
    Birth 1270 • Herefordshire, England
    Death 1338 • Stratton Audley, Oxfordshire, England
    Nb, she is buried at : St Bartholomew's Churchyard Much Marcle, Herefordshire Unitary Authority, Herefordshire, England



    She marries: First Husband.

    Walter de Balun Sir
    1225–1287
    Birth 1225 • Much Marcle, Ledbury, Hereford, England
    Death 1287 • Eastington, Wheatenhurst, Gloucestershire, England, United Kingdom
    Second Husband:

    Hugh de Audley 1st Baron Audley of Stratton Audley
    1276–1325
    Birth 1276
    Death 1325 • Wallingford, castle, Oxfordshire, England.
    As things go my line dates back to :
    FitzMayn Main ❤️
    1090–1120
    Birth 1090 • Harescombe, Gloucestershire, England
    Death 1120: I can not find if he is Norman or Saxon?
    My complete line can be found on Ancestry, the heart emoji denotes male line. Rouse168200 family tree. I hope this helps. Yours Bob

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