• Help! Setting up local WebDAV Windows server over Wi-Fi with Android Si

    From Bradley@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 16 15:22:51 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Help!

    In another thread, I asked this question but I'd like to ask here it as
    as it would hijack the original poster to keep discussing it there. https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/rSWfASPhOaY/m/Y1OB1NTIAgAJ

    I'm trying to set up the open source "Silent Notes" Android app, which
    says it shares to online WebDAV servers, to share to a LOCAL WebDAV server.

    Apparently Windows already has a local WebDAV server built in so I
    looked up how to set that up with self-signed certificates for encryption.

    I don't really need encryption but I don't know if the Silent Notes app
    will work without encryption (as the documentation says it requires it).

    My two biggest hurdles are that I've never set up a WebDAV server on
    Windows before and I don't know how to do the associated certificate stuff.

    Also I don't have the same username on Windows as I do on Android, where neither my Windows nor Android user has a password so I have to leave it blank.

    I just want to set up the simplest WebDAV server on Windows that was
    ever set up - with a share open to everyone on the LAN without credentials.

    If that's impossible, then I'll add teh simplest of credentials (if I have to), as what I'm trying to do is set up a simple WebDAV server on Windows.

    Here's where I'm stumped.
    I wrote it up so that you can get there in about five minutes if you want.
    Then you can show me what I'm doing wrong in the last step which fails.

    1. I installed that open source Silent Notes app to test it out on Windows.
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.martinstoeckli.silentnotes

    2. I created a few checklists in that Silent Notes app to test it out.
    {amazon,costco,homedepot}

    3. I realized I needed a WebDAV server on Windows so I watched this video.
    How to Setup WebDAV Server On Windows 10 / 11 and Map WebDAV drive
    https://youtu.be/M4DZcS6V-Zs
    The video glosses over a few steps, so I clarify those steps below.

    4. Win+R | control.exe
    View by: Category | Programs | Turn Windows features on or off
    Expand "Internet Information Services"
    Expand "World Wide Web Services"
    Expand "Common HTTP Features"
    Set the checkbox for "WebDAV Publishing"
    Control Panel | Programs | Turn Windows features on or off |
    Expand "Internet Information Services"
    Expand "World Wide Web Services"
    Expand "Security"
    Set the checkbox for "Basic Authentication"
    OK

    5. Start "Windows Administrative Tools" "Internet Information Services (IIS) Manager"
    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Administrative Tools\Internet Information Services (IIS) Manager.lnk
    Win+R | %windir%\system32\inetsrv\InetMgr.exe

    6. Navigate to the "Default Web Site"
    IIS | Connections | Sites | Default Web Site
    Under "Default Web Site Home" doubleclick on "WebDav Authoring Rules"
    Under "Actions" make sure "Enable WebDAV" is turned on
    Rightclick in the "WebDAV Authoring Rules" window
    Select "Add Authoring Rule" from the context menu that pops up
    Allow access to: All content
    Allow access to this content to: All users
    Permissions: Read, Source, Write
    OK

    7. IIS | Connections | Sites | Default Web Site
    Under "Default Web Site Home" doubleclick on "Authentication"
    Select "Anonymous Authentication" & under "Actions" set it to "Disabled"
    Select "ASP .NET Impersonation" & under "Actions" set it to "Disabled"
    Select "Basic Authentication" & under "Actions" set it to "Enabled"
    Select "Digest Authentication" & under "Actions" set it to "Disabled"

    8. IIS | Connections | Your computer name
    Doubleclick "Server Certificates"
    Rightclick in the windows & select "Create self-signed certificate"
    Specify a friendly name for the certificate: My self-signed certificate
    Select a certificate store for the new certificate: Personal
    OK

    9. IIS | Connections | Sites | (Rightclick on "Default Web Site")
    Select "Edit Bindings" from the context menu that pops up
    In the "Site Bindings" form that pops up, click the "Add" button
    Set Type to "https" (Port 443)
    Under "SSL certificate" select the certificate you had created
    OK | Close

    10. Fabricate a test domain by first checking it doesn't exist
    Win+R | cmd | ping myserver.com
    That ping should report that the server couldn't be found.
    Find your local IP address to add into hosts as that domain
    Win+R | cmd | ipconfig | look for "IPv4 Address"
    For example: IPv4 Address... 192.168.0.2
    Edit C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
    192.168.0.2 myserver.com # my local webdav test server
    Win+R | cmd | ping myserver.com
    That ping should now report that the server was found.

    11. Create a subfolder under C:\inetpub\wwwroot named "android"
    Set that subfolder to full access by rightclicking on the subfolder
    and selecting "Properties | Security | Edit } CREATOR OWNER |
    Press the "Add" button & then the "Advanced" button
    Press the "Find Now" button & scroll down the list of users
    I selected "Guest" but I wasn't sure what user to select here.
    MachineName\Guest | OK

    12. In the "Permissions for android" form, select "Guest",
    click to "Allow" all permissions & then click "Apply"
    And then click "OK" & "OK" to close the folder permission form.

    13. I think the instructions missed the "Sharing" step of the folder
    C:\inetpub\wwwroot\android

    14. To map a WebDAV drive and to populate it with files as a user,
    rightclick on "My PC" & in the context menu that pops up,
    select "Map network drive" and in the "Folder" field
    enter \\MYPC\inetpub\wwwroot\android & click "Finish"
    You should now have a new "Z:" drive labeled something like
    "android (\\MYPC\inetpub\wwwroot)"

    You can also map that network drive from the Windows command line.
    net use Y: \\MYPC\inetpub\wwwroot\android
    net use X: \\192.168.0.2\inetpub\wwwroot\android
    net use U: \\192.168.0.2\inetpub\wwwroot\android /USER:guest
    net use W: \\myserver.com\inetpub\wwwroot\android
    Enter the username for 'myserver.com' = guest
    Enter the password for 'myserver.com' = <blank>

    15. On Android, start the Silent Notes app & click the "cloud" icon.
    A Silent Notes activity will ask "Set up the online storage"
    to which you click "Continue" & then you select your cloud provider
    out of {FTP,WebDAV,Dropbox,Google Driver,OneDrive,Nextcloud,GMX}.
    I selected "WebDAV" out of that list.
    A form labeled "Online storage credentials" popped up.
    Server directory URL: https://192.168.0.2/inetpub/wwwroot/android
    User name = guest
    Password = <blank>
    [x]Accept unsafe certificates

    This is where I'm stuck as I keep trying things but I must have something
    wrong with the form of the Windows WebDAV server URL in Silent Notes.
    https://192.168.0.2/DavWWWRoot
    https://192.168.0.2/inetpub/wwwroot/android

    I need a way to test the Windows WebDAV server to make sure it's alive. (Although the "net use" command worked without error so I think it is.)

    I do note that Silent Notes says it only does encryption so I had
    to use the "http(s)" instead of "http" but neither works for me yet.

    Maybe my self-signed certificate isn't being specified on Windows?
    I don't know. I've never done half this stuff. Have you ever done it?

    Can someone who wants to set up their own WebDAV server on Windows
    with Silent Notes test out the steps I did above - as it should take
    you only a few minutes (whereas it took me many hours to get here).

    Any help is happily appreciated as it would be useful to anyone on
    Windows to be able to securely share files over a local WebDAV server.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Bradley on Tue Jan 16 19:30:03 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> wrote:

    I'm trying to set up the open source "Silent Notes" Android app,
    which says it shares to online WebDAV servers, to share to a LOCAL
    WebDAV server.

    Apparently Windows already has a local WebDAV server built in so I
    looked up how to set that up with self-signed certificates for
    encryption.

    Do you have a Server edition of Windows? As I recall, WebDAV was
    bundled with IIS. I don't remember the WebDAV server bundled with IIS
    for non-Server (client) editions of Windows.

    https://help.nextcloud.com/t/end-of-microsoft-support-for-its-webclient-service-on-windows-10-and-11/174121
    Looks like WebDAV is dying.

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/deprecated-features https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV#WebDAV_clients

    SilentNotes mentions support for FTP. You'll need an FTP server (not a client). SilentNotes would be the FTP client. FileZilla Server (https://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=server) looks to be
    free. Others may suggest different free FTP servers.

    While the app's Play Store page says "Currently supported protocols are
    the FTP protocol, ...", it doesn't say if FTPs or sFTP are supported.
    However, also mentioned is end-to-end encryption, so the data
    transferred via FTP can be encrypted. That still leaves unmentioned how
    to pass the login credentials to the FTP server if FTPs or sFTP are not supported.

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  • From Patrick@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Tue Jan 16 19:55:45 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 19:30:03 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
    Do you have a Server edition of Windows? As I recall, WebDAV was
    bundled with IIS. I don't remember the WebDAV server bundled with IIS
    for non-Server (client) editions of Windows.

    Every Windows version since XP has a webdav server built into its iis. https://www.sevenforums.com/software/419824-there-any-free-webdav-server-programs-out-there.html

    https://help.nextcloud.com/t/end-of-microsoft-support-for-its-webclient-service-on-windows-10-and-11/174121
    Looks like WebDAV is dying.

    Webdav is alive and well. https://medium.odrive.com/how-to-easily-setup-a-webdav-server-on-windows-and-sync-to-it-8469b9259435

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/deprecated-features https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV#WebDAV_clients

    A client is different than a server.

    SilentNotes mentions support for FTP.

    SilentNotes supports webdav too.
    https://www.martinstoeckli.ch/silentnotes/

    "Currently supported are the FTP protocol, the WebDav protocol,
    Dropbox, Google-Drive and One-Drive."

    You'll need an FTP server (not a
    client). SilentNotes would be the FTP client. FileZilla Server (https://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=server) looks to be
    free. Others may suggest different free FTP servers.

    Besides FTP not being webdav, Silent Notes supports webdav.

    https://github.com/martinstoeckli/SilentNotes
    "Currently supported are the FTP protocol, the WebDav protocol, Dropbox, Google-Drive and One-Drive."

    While the app's Play Store page says "Currently supported protocols are
    the FTP protocol, ...", it doesn't say if FTPs or sFTP are supported. However, also mentioned is end-to-end encryption, so the data
    transferred via FTP can be encrypted. That still leaves unmentioned how
    to pass the login credentials to the FTP server if FTPs or sFTP are not supported.

    FTP isn't webdav. A client isn't a server. Silent Notes supports webdav.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Patrick on Tue Jan 16 20:48:40 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 19:30:03 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
    Do you have a Server edition of Windows? As I recall, WebDAV was
    bundled with IIS. I don't remember the WebDAV server bundled with IIS
    for non-Server (client) editions of Windows.

    Every Windows version since XP has a webdav server built into its iis. https://www.sevenforums.com/software/419824-there-any-free-webdav-server-programs-out-there.html

    https://help.nextcloud.com/t/end-of-microsoft-support-for-its-webclient-service-on-windows-10-and-11/174121
    Looks like WebDAV is dying.

    Webdav is alive and well. https://medium.odrive.com/how-to-easily-setup-a-webdav-server-on-windows-and-sync-to-it-8469b9259435

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/deprecated-features
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV#WebDAV_clients

    A client is different than a server.

    SilentNotes mentions support for FTP.

    SilentNotes supports webdav too.
    https://www.martinstoeckli.ch/silentnotes/

    "Currently supported are the FTP protocol, the WebDav protocol,
    Dropbox, Google-Drive and One-Drive."

    You'll need an FTP server (not a
    client). SilentNotes would be the FTP client. FileZilla Server
    (https://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=server) looks to be
    free. Others may suggest different free FTP servers.

    Besides FTP not being webdav, Silent Notes supports webdav.

    https://github.com/martinstoeckli/SilentNotes
    "Currently supported are the FTP protocol, the WebDav protocol, Dropbox, Google-Drive and One-Drive."

    While the app's Play Store page says "Currently supported protocols are
    the FTP protocol, ...", it doesn't say if FTPs or sFTP are supported.
    However, also mentioned is end-to-end encryption, so the data
    transferred via FTP can be encrypted. That still leaves unmentioned how
    to pass the login credentials to the FTP server if FTPs or sFTP are not
    supported.

    FTP isn't webdav. A client isn't a server. Silent Notes supports webdav.

    Oh, wow, gee, I had no clue SilentNotes support WebDAV. Uh huh. What a
    putz.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Tue Jan 16 23:35:50 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    On 1/16/2024 9:48 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
    Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 19:30:03 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
    Do you have a Server edition of Windows? As I recall, WebDAV was
    bundled with IIS. I don't remember the WebDAV server bundled with IIS
    for non-Server (client) editions of Windows.

    Every Windows version since XP has a webdav server built into its iis.
    https://www.sevenforums.com/software/419824-there-any-free-webdav-server-programs-out-there.html

    https://help.nextcloud.com/t/end-of-microsoft-support-for-its-webclient-service-on-windows-10-and-11/174121
    Looks like WebDAV is dying.

    Webdav is alive and well.
    https://medium.odrive.com/how-to-easily-setup-a-webdav-server-on-windows-and-sync-to-it-8469b9259435

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/deprecated-features
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV#WebDAV_clients

    A client is different than a server.

    SilentNotes mentions support for FTP.

    SilentNotes supports webdav too.
    https://www.martinstoeckli.ch/silentnotes/

    "Currently supported are the FTP protocol, the WebDav protocol,
    Dropbox, Google-Drive and One-Drive."

    You'll need an FTP server (not a
    client). SilentNotes would be the FTP client. FileZilla Server
    (https://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=server) looks to be
    free. Others may suggest different free FTP servers.

    Besides FTP not being webdav, Silent Notes supports webdav.

    https://github.com/martinstoeckli/SilentNotes
    "Currently supported are the FTP protocol, the WebDav protocol, Dropbox,
    Google-Drive and One-Drive."

    While the app's Play Store page says "Currently supported protocols are
    the FTP protocol, ...", it doesn't say if FTPs or sFTP are supported.
    However, also mentioned is end-to-end encryption, so the data
    transferred via FTP can be encrypted. That still leaves unmentioned how >>> to pass the login credentials to the FTP server if FTPs or sFTP are not
    supported.

    FTP isn't webdav. A client isn't a server. Silent Notes supports webdav.

    Oh, wow, gee, I had no clue SilentNotes support WebDAV. Uh huh. What a putz.


    My concern (initially) with setting up a WebDAV, would be:

    1) DNS. Having a domain that will correctly handle reverse lookup.
    Clients can use reverse lookup as a first level of node validation.
    We used to hate this on Unix, because it spoiled all the "home user fun".
    I had to get a manager to intervene with IT, just so I could remote in
    and do Xwindows over dialup. The manager was also doing this (remote X11),
    so as soon as I mentioned it, he was on it. (The modem pool deserved
    real IP addresses, not schlock, or the Unix boxes would not accept
    my connection from the modem pool.)

    2) Certificate chain. Nobody is going to issue a certificate for
    a non-routable address (192.168.1.2). And if you make your own certificate
    (I've tried a couple times), then the client will insist on a chain of trust,
    and your certificate by itself is not enough. You might finally make a
    certificate in the correct file format, fill out enough fields to "fake it",
    but a single certificate with no one to vouch for it, is pretty useless.
    It's the clients that whine like bitches, and if you say "make an exception",
    they make the exception... then they whine some more. It's "fuck you pal"
    from dawn to dusk with this stuff.

    Clicking a button on Win10 Programs and Features : Windows Features,
    the IIS configuration will likely be a struggle, but do-able after
    some amount of work.

    I just don't see (1) and (2), bending to intent.

    It's not like the old days of client/server, where
    you could just work your 127.0.0.1 magic and done.
    And there was no crypto to speak of. No certificates
    to ruin your fun.

    WebDAV is on 80 and 443, and since I have a vivid imagination,
    I would expect an Anderoid to only accept 443. Nobody is going
    to make this easy for us.

    So sure, "why won't someone do a setting up webDAV for us article?".
    Well, I think it's because the process has rough edges and
    all you get from the exercise, is paper cuts. It's going to be
    like my email server experience, all over again :-/

    Where it gets interesting, is once you step out the door, you
    have your Anderoid in hand, and you are now outside the LAN perimeter,
    and need Port Forwarding on the router. Now you really want that 443
    port and the certificate and so on. Now you need a domain and
    a dyndns or whatever. Now the LetsEncrypt gets easier. And the idea
    would be, even when the Anderoid is in the house, you'd still have it
    pointed at the WAN side and that brand new domain you bought.

    Paul

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 09:23:17 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Jan 17 10:58:59 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Paul wrote:

    2) Certificate chain. Nobody is going to issue a certificate for
    a non-routable address (192.168.1.2).

    That's OK, because nobody needs to, IPs aren't baked into certs, only
    FQDNs.

    Get free certs from LetsEncrypt or use openSSL to make your own cert and
    import your own CA's root so it's trusted by your client.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 18:17:45 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Andy Burns, 2024-01-17 11:58:

    Paul wrote:

    2) Certificate chain. Nobody is going to issue a certificate for
    a non-routable address (192.168.1.2).

    That's OK, because nobody needs to, IPs aren't baked into certs, only
    FQDNs.

    Get free certs from LetsEncrypt or use openSSL to make your own cert and import your own CA's root so it's trusted by your client.

    LetsEncrypt requires a public domain name. It will not work without that.

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jan 17 11:48:16 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    LetsEncrypt requires a public domain name. It will not work without that.

    They won't know whether the client resolves the hostname via public DNS server, private DNS server, or hostsfile ...

    It's not about your client. It's about them validating the cert at your
    web site that you got from them. It's about /getting/ the cert.

    https://letsencrypt.org/how-it-works/
    " First, the agent proves to the CA that the web server controls a
    domain."
    "The first time the agent software interacts with Let¢s Encrypt, it
    generates a new key pair and proves to the Let¢s Encrypt CA that the
    server controls one or more domains."

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 17:59:02 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jan 17 18:13:15 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Andy Burns wrote:

    if you create your own CA to sign your own cert, just import the root
    cert into Android's cert store, so it trusts your cert.

    Even more deeply buried than it used to be, but ...

    Settings, Security & Privacy, More Security & Privacy, Encryption & Credentials, Install a Certificate, CA Certificate

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Wed Jan 17 17:23:35 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    LetsEncrypt requires a public domain name. It will not work without that.

    They won't know whether the client resolves the hostname via public DNS
    server, private DNS server, or hostsfile ...

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  • From Bradley@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jan 17 18:03:18 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    On 1/17/2024 12:13 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
    if you create your own CA to sign your own cert, just import the root
    cert into Android's cert store, so it trusts your cert.

    Even more deeply buried than it used to be, but ...

    Settings, Security & Privacy, More Security & Privacy, Encryption & Credentials, Install a Certificate, CA Certificate

    All this security stuff confuses me because I have no need for it.
    I don't even have a password or pin on my phone. I don't need it.
    Nor do I have a password on my user/admin account on Windows.

    I don't need it.
    Not when everything is on my own LAN I don't.

    But I do want to pass files back & forth between Android & Windows.

    Do I need a certificate on Android or only on Windows to set up WebDAV?
    I don't even want a login & password but I'll use whatever I have to use.

    On Samsung Android 13, the settings seem to be buried as deeply as the
    Pixel buried them, but there's not a one-to-one correspondence I can see.

    Settings | Security and privacy | Other security settings | Credentials
    storage | Install from device storage | Install from device storage |
    CA certificate

    Can someone explain to me if all I want to do is use a local WebDAV server
    on a Windows PC that doesn't even have a password for the user/admin
    account, whether or not I need two things that I do not have working yet.

    1. Do I need to have a user/password in order to use WebDav from Android
    to Windows over my own LAN (and can I use "guest" or "everyone")?

    2. Do I need to create a certificate for a WebDAV server on Windows and
    do I need ANOTHER certificate on Android too?

    Given I have no need for either a password or a certificate, can I get away without either or must I have them?

    I ask because if I must have them - then I can concentrate on making them.

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to Bradley on Thu Jan 18 01:01:35 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    On 17/01/2024 23:03, Bradley wrote:
    On 1/17/2024 12:13 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
    if you create your own CA to sign your own cert, just import the root
    cert into Android's cert store, so it trusts your cert.

    Even more deeply buried than it used to be, but ...

    Settings, Security & Privacy, More Security & Privacy, Encryption &
    Credentials, Install a Certificate, CA Certificate

    All this security stuff confuses me because I have no need for it.
    I don't even have a password or pin on my phone. I don't need it.
    Nor do I have a password on my user/admin account on Windows.

    I don't need it.

    You do.

    Not when everything is on my own LAN I don't.

    You still need to take basic security steps. Your phone or PC may be
    stolen, and then likely you're in deep shit, just how deep depending on
    the abilities of who it ends up in the hands of.

    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
    www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Bradley on Thu Jan 18 07:47:07 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Bradley wrote:

    Do I need to create a certificate for a WebDAV server on Windows

    As far as windows is concerned, no; but SilentNotes might insist on it

    and do I need ANOTHER certificate on Android too?

    On PCs browsers, client certificates seem to be going out of fashion, I
    have setup a webserver on android with client certificates for a
    specific requirement.

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  • From Bradley@21:1/5 to Java Jive on Thu Jan 18 04:14:57 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    On 1/17/2024 7:01 PM, Java Jive wrote:
    All this security stuff confuses me because I have no need for it.
    I don't even have a password or pin on my phone. I don't need it.
    Nor do I have a password on my user/admin account on Windows.

    I don't need it.

    You do.

    Not when everything is on my own LAN I don't.

    You still need to take basic security steps. Your phone or PC may be
    stolen, and then likely you're in deep shit, just how deep depending on
    the abilities of who it ends up in the hands of.

    I will do whatever I have to do to get WebDAV working with Android.

    But I have to say I'm so confused that I don't know what's the next step.

    I already (think I) enabled the Windows native WebDAV server
    1. But I did that without a specific username/password.
    2. And I have no idea if the steps I did "created" the certificate.

    I need help.
    a. If I need to create a username & password on Windows, I can do that.
    b. If I need to create a certificate on Windows, I probably can do that.

    Can you help me?

    What do I need to do next just to make sure the Windows WebDAV server is working (with or without Silent Notes on Android and/or on Windows)?

    Please just tell me what I need to do next because I'm not at all sure if
    the Windows WebDAV server is working (so there's no point in trying to get Silent Notes to work with it until I can get Windows WebDAV working).

    What do I need to do in order to set up Windows WebDAV the way you suggest?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Bradley on Thu Jan 18 11:48:40 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Bradley wrote:

    Does anyone else NOT see the Silent Notes' developer's comments on this thread?

    I think most of us on Usenet have Google Groups filtered so we won't see
    what Martin Stoeckli has been trying to say

    I only see 'whitelisted' google groups users, so hadn't previously seen
    his replies

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to Bradley on Thu Jan 18 12:11:47 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    On 18/01/2024 09:14, Bradley wrote:

    What do I need to do in order to set up Windows WebDAV the way you suggest?

    I'm not making any suggestions re WebDAV because I've never bothered
    with it. I was saying that you need to enable basic security to prevent unauthorised access to your PC and your phone in case either is stolen &
    to prevent hacking.

    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
    www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From Bradley@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Jan 18 06:41:30 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    On 1/18/2024 1:47 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Do I need to create a certificate for a WebDAV server on Windows

    As far as windows is concerned, no; but SilentNotes might insist on it

    Does anyone else NOT see the Silent Notes' developer's comments on this thread? 1. https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/URMgMHvb5ls/m/orJgqYaCAgAJ 2. https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/URMgMHvb5ls/m/p90Y4YcfAwAJ 3. https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/URMgMHvb5ls/m/VdavXvUkAwAJ

    I think most of us on Usenet have Google Groups filtered so we won't see
    what Martin Stoeckli has been trying to say - which I only found out accidentally when I looked in the Android URL to run an unrelated search. https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/

    Here are his posts which I'm assuming NOBODY has seen because he's probably using Google Groups to post and all of us have filtered out Google Groups.
    =========== cut here =============
    1. https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/URMgMHvb5ls/m/orJgqYaCAgAJ
    Some points I will be able to clear up iI think, but setting up a locale
    WebDav server is quite specific to the hosting computer.

    > Apparently Windows already has a local WebDAV server built in so I
    > looked up how to set that up with self-signed certificates for encryption.
    > I don't really need encryption but I don't know if the Silent Notes app
    > will work without encryption (as the documentation says it requires it).

    I didn't know that Windows offers WebDav out of the box with IIS,
    all users I had contact with installed a NextCloud instance.

    An SSL connection with a certificate is not necessary, in fact this does
    make it harder to establish the connection, because when you generate a
    self signed certificate, one needs to tell the client that it should be trusted.

    SilentNotes uses end-to-end encryption, so while in transit the repository
    is always encrypted, regardless of whether the connection itself is encrypted
    or not. In your case it is a local address in the LAN anyway, so I would
    recommend to use plain http:// .

    > I need a way to test the Windows WebDAV server to make sure it's alive.

    You can check whether the connection is alive with the Windows Explorer
    (not Internet Explorer), there you can enter the URL e.g.
    http://192.168.1.42/MyWebDav/SilentNotes/ and it will ask for the
    credentials if they are required.

    If the explorer can connect, SilentNotes should be able too.
    Enter only the path to the directory, not a file name.
    =========== cut here =============
    2. https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/URMgMHvb5ls/m/p90Y4YcfAwAJ
    No, as long as the WebDav directory is onyl accessible from your local LAN
    and not from the WWW there is no need for a certificate.

    SilentNotes does not need it and the repository will be encrypted anyway,
    regardless of whether you use http:// or https:// .

    Creating a self signed certificate will make it more difficult,
    because you need to add it to the trusted certificates on each device
    and such certificates will expire, so the work repeats itself.
    =========== cut here =============
    3. https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/URMgMHvb5ls/m/VdavXvUkAwAJ
    I'm not sure if you have seen my other posts, SilentNotes doesn't need a
    https:// connection so a certificate is _not_ necessary.

    Also a password is not necessary as long as the directory is not reachable
    from the internet.

    All users I had contact with and sync the notes with a local WebDav
    directory installed a NextCloud instance.
    =========== cut here =============

    I do NOT see any of Martin Stoeckli's posts (he's the Silent Notes developer). Do you?

    I can't tell from the Google Groups search engine what headers Martin used
    but I'm guessing nobody can see his posts because he's using Google Groups
    to post from instead of a Usenet account (and all of us filter out GG posts).

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Bradley on Thu Jan 18 16:42:52 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Bradley wrote:

    Do I need to have a user/password in order to use WebDav from Android
    to Windows over my own LAN (and can I use "guest" or "everyone")?

    The "guest" account by default is disabled on Windows, I wouldn't try to
    enable and use it, it might open 1000 rat holes, just use whatever
    account you use day-to-day.

    "everyone" isn't a user, it's a "special" built-in group.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Bradley on Thu Jan 18 16:36:29 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Bradley wrote:

    I will do whatever I have to do to get WebDAV working with Android.

    Minimally for Win11 Home (n.b. this may not be considered "safe" but you haven't asked for safety)

    control panel/programs and features, turn features on/off

    under iis, tick all of
    web management/iis management console
    www services/common http features/webdav publishing
    www services/common http features/folder browsing
    www services/security/basic authentication

    Then do each of the following either at the top level for the the whole
    server, or just for the "Default web site"

    under webdav authoring rules, enable webdav, add an authoring rule for
    all content, and your user in the format "computername\username" with read+write permissions,

    in webdav settings, allow anonymous property queries

    under authentication, enable basic authentication

    under folder browsing, enable browsing

    ====

    from SilentNotes click the cloud icon
    webDAV
    http://aa.bb.cc.dd/
    user=hostname\username
    pass=yourpwd

    on the IIS machine, you'll see a file appear...

    "C:\inetpub\wwwroot\silentnotes_repository.silentnotes"

    if it doesn't work, you'll want to install other IIS components for
    logging ...

    It's worked twice for me, then each time has broken afterwards, not
    pointing fingers at IIS or at SilentNotes, but as it's not me wanting to
    use the app, I can't spend much time trying to look for random breakage :-(

    proof from the IIS log that it did work at least once

    2024-01-18 14:32:20 192.168.1.22 PROPFIND / - 80 andyscomputer\andy 192.168.1.15 - - 207 0 0 32

    2024-01-18 14:32:20 192.168.1.22 PUT /silentnotes_repository.silentnotes
    - 80 andyscomputer\andy 192.168.1.15 - - 201 0 0 19

    Good luck ...

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Bradley on Thu Jan 18 13:51:19 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    On 1/18/2024 4:14 AM, Bradley wrote:
    On 1/17/2024 7:01 PM, Java Jive wrote:
    All this security stuff confuses me because I have no need for it.
    I don't even have a password or pin on my phone. I don't need it.
    Nor do I have a password on my user/admin account on Windows.

    I don't need it.

    You do.

    Not when everything is on my own LAN I don't.

    You still need to take basic security steps.  Your phone or PC may be stolen, and then likely you're in deep shit, just how deep depending on the abilities of who it ends up in the hands of.

    I will do whatever I have to do to get WebDAV working with Android.

    But I have to say I'm so confused that I don't know what's the next step.

    I already (think I) enabled the Windows native WebDAV server
    1. But I did that without a specific username/password.
    2. And I have no idea if the steps I did "created" the certificate.

    I need help.
    a. If I need to create a username & password on Windows, I can do that.
    b. If I need to create a certificate on Windows, I probably can do that.

    Can you help me?

    What do I need to do next just to make sure the Windows WebDAV server is working (with or without Silent Notes on Android and/or on Windows)?

    Please just tell me what I need to do next because I'm not at all sure if
    the Windows WebDAV server is working (so there's no point in trying to get Silent Notes to work with it until I can get Windows WebDAV working).

    What do I need to do in order to set up Windows WebDAV the way you suggest?

    You know it's on port 80 and 443.

    Some clients might decide to only use 443.

    Find a client that works on either Port,
    then select Port 80 and do a functional
    test of the WebDAV feature.

    You can work yourself into a security lather later.

    If you can't even get it to work on Port 80, it's
    going to be pointless working on certificate.

    But the thing is, the job isn't done properly,
    unless 443 works, and SSL/TLS is working or whatever.

    The reason for doing that bit, is for clients which
    are grumpy and inflexible. There will always be software
    out there, which is like that.

    The server itself, could have settings for port numbers,
    and for all I know, the server itself may deny port 80
    entirely, and insist on a certificate-laden port 443 only.

    That's why you need a relatively dumb test client,
    to check port responses and so on.

    Prove the protocol works with *something* first, then
    build on that success.

    Paul

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Fri Jan 19 07:09:04 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Andy Burns wrote:

    It's worked twice for me, then each time has broken afterwards

    OK, when I thought it was working, the tablet was only able to upload,
    unable to download, fixed that by adding a MIME type inside IIS.

    So SilentNotes is working for me with Win11Home+IIS (without SSL so
    password is transmitted in clear, will try adding a self-signed cert).

    also realized the "folder browsing" option isn't needed.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Bradley on Fri Jan 19 12:17:35 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    On 1/18/2024 6:41 AM, Bradley wrote:
    On 1/18/2024 1:47 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Do I need to create a certificate for a WebDAV server on Windows

    As far as windows is concerned, no; but SilentNotes might insist on it

    Does anyone else NOT see the Silent Notes' developer's comments on this thread?
    1. https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/URMgMHvb5ls/m/orJgqYaCAgAJ
    2. https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/URMgMHvb5ls/m/p90Y4YcfAwAJ
    3. https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/URMgMHvb5ls/m/VdavXvUkAwAJ

    Martins posts are to comp.mobile.android only.

    Perhaps GG removes cross-posts, before POST ?

    Or Martin set it that way ?

    http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C841de574-0340-4f95-8b50-20c555f10271n%40googlegroups.com%3E

    Paul

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  • From Indira@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Jan 21 04:50:17 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Paul wrote:

    Martins posts are to comp.mobile.android only.

    Perhaps GG removes cross-posts, before POST ?

    Or Martin set it that way ?

    http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C841de574-0340-4f95-8b50-20c555f10271n%40googlegroups.com%3E

    The Android newsgroup is about 1000 spams to one real post without
    filtering out all the Google Groups posts. So it's unusable without
    deleting all the Google Groups posts (which only started happening about a month or two ago at this huge level - although it slowly ramped up).

    But I don't know how posting with Google Groups to Usenet works (and it probably won't matter in a month anyway).

    Even so, I'm guessing Martin Stoeckli probably couldn't post to the two
    Windows newsgroups because they're not archived by Google Groups.

    That's also maybe why the thousand to one spams is not happening on the
    Windows ngs.

    As a separate complaint, I don't know why Google lets so many spammers spam using their accounts. You'd think Google, of all companies, would know a
    robot from a human, especially as it requires a Google account to do it.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Indira on Sat Jan 20 19:15:34 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    On 1/20/2024 6:20 PM, Indira wrote:
    Paul wrote:

    Martins posts are to comp.mobile.android only.

    Perhaps GG removes cross-posts, before POST ?

    Or Martin set it that way ?

    http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C841de574-0340-4f95-8b50-20c555f10271n%40googlegroups.com%3E

    The Android newsgroup is about 1000 spams to one real post without
    filtering out all the Google Groups posts. So it's unusable without
    deleting all the Google Groups posts (which only started happening about a month or two ago at this huge level - although it slowly ramped up).

    But I don't know how posting with Google Groups to Usenet works (and it probably won't matter in a month anyway).

    Even so, I'm guessing Martin Stoeckli probably couldn't post to the two Windows newsgroups because they're not archived by Google Groups.

    That's also maybe why the thousand to one spams is not happening on the Windows ngs.

    As a separate complaint, I don't know why Google lets so many spammers spam using their accounts. You'd think Google, of all companies, would know a robot from a human, especially as it requires a Google account to do it.

    GG did actually put a Captcha in the interface, but they
    were not being serious about it. And it's a joke. It's the
    kind of activity that advertises "we never really cared, if you noticed". That's what their current Captcha says.

    They could have obliterated the spam using Bard, but, they didn't bother.
    Once the spammers discovered they weren't getting in, the flood level
    would drop considerably. By using Bard, it would have tamped down
    the circus atmosphere in ThaiSpam country (gambling-associate spam).

    But other administrators have taken similar nuclear approaches.
    When there was a flood on a certain USENET server, the admin
    set the server to read-only and just walked away. Done.
    "If the users can't behave, fuck'em." That's certainly
    a solution. And it's 100% functional. No need to de-peer the
    dude, because no garbage will ever come from his server
    ever again. It's possible two server operators may have done that,
    got abused, admin tossed in towel and switched off posting.

    And yes, the alt Windows groups not being in GG, is a blessing.
    Who knew, at the time.

    Paul

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Bradley on Mon Jan 22 08:00:09 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Bradley wrote:

    I will do whatever I have to do to get WebDAV working with Android.

    Did you get this working?

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  • From Bradley@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Jan 22 03:12:39 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    On 1/22/2024 3:00 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    I will do whatever I have to do to get WebDAV working with Android.

    Did you get this working?

    Not yet. But mostly I'm a deer in the headlights, not knowing where to go.

    I am confused in a few ways where I just want a SIMPLE solution.
    The simplest possible.

    99 out of 100 times that means no security (just to prove it's working).
    But I don't want to argue about security as people spent too much time on
    that since I don't really care if I have to ADD it just to get it to work.

    What's confusing is nobody has ever gotten the WebDAV server that comes
    with Windows to work based on the responses to date, so that's an issue.

    Even Martin Stoeckli said the people he deals with use a "Nextcloud
    instance", whatever that means.

    It's crazy that nobody has ever used the native Windows 10 WebDAV server so that's really the very first thing I need to get to work all by itself.

    I don't care about the security. If I have to add a user, I'll add a user.
    If I havef to give that user a password, I'll do that. If I hve to create a certificate, I'll do that too. But that can't be all there is to setting up
    a Windows 10 WebDAV server so it's a waste of time just thinking about it.

    My main care is that I can set up the native Windows WebDAV server to
    connect to that WebDAV server to test that it's working. Until that
    happens, there's no sense even bringing Silent Notes into the equation.

    I'm stuck because there's no explanation anywhere on the net on just
    getting the native Windows WebDAV server to connect to itself somehow.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Bradley on Mon Jan 22 09:16:34 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mobile.android

    Bradley wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Did you get this working?

    Not yet.

    What's confusing is nobody has ever gotten the WebDAV server that comes
    with Windows to work based on the responses to date, so that's an issue.

    You may have missed my replies where I showed how to get it working, in
    summary ...

    control panel/programs and features, turn features on/off

    under iis, tick all of
    web management/iis management console
    www services/common http features/webdav publishing
    www services/security/basic authentication

    Then do each of the following within the "Default web site"

    under webdav authoring rules, enable webdav, add an authoring rule for
    all content, and your windows username with read+write permissions

    in webdav settings, allow anonymous property queries

    under authentication, enable basic authentication

    under MIME types, add an entry for
    .silentnotes
    of type
    application/silentnotes

    ====

    from SilentNotes app click the cloud icon
    webDAV
    http://aa.bb.cc.dd/
    user=yourusername
    pass=yourpwd

    on the IIS machine, you'll see a file appear...

    "C:\inetpub\wwwroot\silentnotes_repository.silentnotes"

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