• [Cycling] Poacher turned gamekeeper?

    From Spike@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 15:43:52 2024
    E-bike proposals "a huge safety risk" says Cycling UK and would "blur the
    line between e-bikes and electric motorbikes"

    by Rebecca Morley Mar 1 2024

    Electrical Safety First also expresses concern as government acknowledges
    risk of “more severe battery fires”

    The government’s proposals to double the legal wattage of electric bike motors to 500W and allow ‘twist and go’ e-bikes to have throttle assistance up to 15.5mph present a “huge safety risk” to pedestrians and others who cycle, charity Cycling UK has said.

    The Department for Transport (DfT) announced the proposed changes
    yesterday, with the rationale that they will make electrically assisted
    pedal cycles (EAPCs), “a more attractive and viable travel option for more people,” with benefits including making it easier for people to ride up hills.

    Reacting to the news on X (formerly Twitter), London e-cargo bike courier, Pedal Me, said cargo bikes are, "a potentially transformational
    technology", and "much safer, more efficient, cleaner to share a city
    with," but that currently, "they are hindered by a lack of power.
    Especially in hilly areas."

    Electric bikes and UK law

    But Cycling UK’s director of external affairs, Sarah McMonagle, said the increased power, "would mean faster acceleration and much heavier bikes,
    which we’re really concerned about.”

    The Bicycle Association (BA) also suggested that higher powered vehicles
    would accelerate more quickly and would require bigger batteries, making
    them heavier and more dangerous in crashes.

    The trade body said that while the idea of more power and throttles may
    seem superficially attractive, “we believe it cannot be introduced without putting at risk the electric cycle’s category status as ‘not a motor vehicle'."

    Florida town temporarily bans e-bikes in response to death of local woman following collision with 12-year-old e-bike rider

    Also commenting on the news, charity Electrical Safety First (ESF) said substandard e-bike batteries are already causing "devastating" fires across
    the country, and that it was “concerning” that the government is consulting on permitting an increase in power, “without first addressing the critical safety concerns we have raised”.

    The government’s consultation says, “there may be a risk of more severe battery fires from more powerful e-cycles and this could be exacerbated by tampering”, and this will be considered as part of cross-government work
    into the safety of lithium-ion batteries used by e-bikes.

    ‘Buying a complete e-bike is generally safer’ – new government guidance uneasy about DIY conversions

    An ESF spokesperson said: “We believe the priority should be to ensure the current batteries and accessories for these devices are safe.

    "At present, a fully charged e-bike battery can release a similar amount of stored energy to six hand grenades if the device fails. We need tighter regulation to ensure e-bikes and their batteries are safe before they come
    onto the market.

    “We will of course review the proposals within the consultation issued
    today and provide a response, but we urge the government to prioritise
    adopting our forthcoming Bill in Parliament to introduce third party certification for e-bikes, e-scooters and their batteries, to prevent
    further loss of life.”

    UK bike trade backs ESF e-bike fire safety recommendations - but action
    "must address high risk imports"

    McMonagle also said that e-bikes with no pedal requirement would reduce the health benefits of e-cycling – "in essence, they would blur the line
    between e-bikes and electric motorbikes.

    "The government has stated that the proposed changes would make e-cycles
    more attractive, yet the most commonly cited reason for people not cycling
    is that they don’t feel safe. E-cycles are also prohibitively expensive for many people.

    “We fully agree with the government’s goal to get more people to enjoy the benefits of e-cycles, but believe the way to do that effectively is to
    invest in high quality infrastructure and provide financial assistance for those who need it.”

    Pedal Me also harbours reservations about throttle-controlled e-bikes,
    saying, "clearly there should be exceptions for those with disability, but
    we foresee widespread abuse from 'twist and go' arrangements."

    The consultation began yesterday, February 29, and will run until 11:59pm
    on April 25.

    <https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/news/e-bike-proposals-a-huge-safety-risk-says-cycling-uk-and-would-blur-the-line-between-e>

    --
    Spike

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to Spike on Mon Mar 4 10:53:23 2024
    On 4/03/24 04:43, Spike wrote:

    E-bike proposals "a huge safety risk" says Cycling UK and would "blur the line between e-bikes and electric motorbikes"

    by Rebecca Morley Mar 1 2024

    Electrical Safety First also expresses concern as government acknowledges risk of “more severe battery fires”

    The government’s proposals to double the legal wattage of electric bike motors to 500W and allow ‘twist and go’ e-bikes to have throttle assistance
    up to 15.5mph present a “huge safety risk” to pedestrians and others who cycle, charity Cycling UK has said.

    The Department for Transport (DfT) announced the proposed changes
    yesterday, with the rationale that they will make electrically assisted
    pedal cycles (EAPCs), “a more attractive and viable travel option for more people,” with benefits including making it easier for people to ride up hills.

    Reacting to the news on X (formerly Twitter), London e-cargo bike courier, Pedal Me, said cargo bikes are, "a potentially transformational
    technology", and "much safer, more efficient, cleaner to share a city
    with," but that currently, "they are hindered by a lack of power.
    Especially in hilly areas."

    Electric bikes and UK law

    But Cycling UK’s director of external affairs, Sarah McMonagle, said the increased power, "would mean faster acceleration and much heavier bikes, which we’re really concerned about.”

    The Bicycle Association (BA) also suggested that higher powered vehicles would accelerate more quickly and would require bigger batteries, making
    them heavier and more dangerous in crashes.

    The trade body said that while the idea of more power and throttles may
    seem superficially attractive, “we believe it cannot be introduced without putting at risk the electric cycle’s category status as ‘not a motor vehicle'."

    Florida town temporarily bans e-bikes in response to death of local woman
    following collision with 12-year-old e-bike rider

    Also commenting on the news, charity Electrical Safety First (ESF) said substandard e-bike batteries are already causing "devastating" fires across the country, and that it was “concerning” that the government is consulting
    on permitting an increase in power, “without first addressing the critical safety concerns we have raised”.

    The government’s consultation says, “there may be a risk of more severe battery fires from more powerful e-cycles and this could be exacerbated by tampering”, and this will be considered as part of cross-government work into the safety of lithium-ion batteries used by e-bikes.

    ‘Buying a complete e-bike is generally safer’ – new government guidance
    uneasy about DIY conversions

    An ESF spokesperson said: “We believe the priority should be to ensure the current batteries and accessories for these devices are safe.

    "At present, a fully charged e-bike battery can release a similar amount of stored energy to six hand grenades if the device fails. We need tighter regulation to ensure e-bikes and their batteries are safe before they come onto the market.

    “We will of course review the proposals within the consultation issued today and provide a response, but we urge the government to prioritise adopting our forthcoming Bill in Parliament to introduce third party certification for e-bikes, e-scooters and their batteries, to prevent
    further loss of life.”

    UK bike trade backs ESF e-bike fire safety recommendations - but action
    "must address high risk imports"

    McMonagle also said that e-bikes with no pedal requirement would reduce the health benefits of e-cycling – "in essence, they would blur the line between e-bikes and electric motorbikes.

    "The government has stated that the proposed changes would make e-cycles
    more attractive, yet the most commonly cited reason for people not cycling
    is that they don’t feel safe. E-cycles are also prohibitively expensive for many people.

    “We fully agree with the government’s goal to get more people to enjoy the
    benefits of e-cycles, but believe the way to do that effectively is to
    invest in high quality infrastructure and provide financial assistance for those who need it.”

    Pedal Me also harbours reservations about throttle-controlled e-bikes, saying, "clearly there should be exceptions for those with disability, but
    we foresee widespread abuse from 'twist and go' arrangements."

    The consultation began yesterday, February 29, and will run until 11:59pm
    on April 25.

    <https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/news/e-bike-proposals-a-huge-safety-risk-says-cycling-uk-and-would-blur-the-line-between-e>

    An electric bicycle has an electric motor.
    I would have thought that ipso facto this would make an electric bicycle
    a motorbike.

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  • From Mungo Jerry@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Sun Mar 3 22:23:22 2024
    On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 10:53:23 +1300, Peter Keller wrote:

    On 4/03/24 04:43, Spike wrote:

    E-bike proposals "a huge safety risk" says Cycling UK and would "blur
    the line between e-bikes and electric motorbikes"

    by Rebecca Morley Mar 1 2024

    Electrical Safety First also expresses concern as government
    acknowledges risk of “more severe battery fires”

    The government’s proposals to double the legal wattage of electric bike
    motors to 500W and allow ‘twist and go’ e-bikes to have throttle
    assistance up to 15.5mph present a “huge safety risk” to pedestrians
    and others who cycle, charity Cycling UK has said.

    The Department for Transport (DfT) announced the proposed changes
    yesterday, with the rationale that they will make electrically assisted
    pedal cycles (EAPCs), “a more attractive and viable travel option for
    more people,” with benefits including making it easier for people to
    ride up hills.

    Reacting to the news on X (formerly Twitter), London e-cargo bike
    courier,
    Pedal Me, said cargo bikes are, "a potentially transformational
    technology", and "much safer, more efficient, cleaner to share a city
    with," but that currently, "they are hindered by a lack of power.
    Especially in hilly areas."

    Electric bikes and UK law

    But Cycling UK’s director of external affairs, Sarah McMonagle, said
    the increased power, "would mean faster acceleration and much heavier
    bikes,
    which we’re really concerned about.”

    The Bicycle Association (BA) also suggested that higher powered
    vehicles would accelerate more quickly and would require bigger
    batteries, making them heavier and more dangerous in crashes.

    The trade body said that while the idea of more power and throttles may
    seem superficially attractive, “we believe it cannot be introduced
    without putting at risk the electric cycle’s category status as ‘not a >> motor vehicle'."

    Florida town temporarily bans e-bikes in response to death of local
    woman following collision with 12-year-old e-bike rider

    Also commenting on the news, charity Electrical Safety First (ESF) said
    substandard e-bike batteries are already causing "devastating" fires
    across the country, and that it was “concerning” that the government is >> consulting on permitting an increase in power, “without first
    addressing the critical safety concerns we have raised”.

    The government’s consultation says, “there may be a risk of more severe >> battery fires from more powerful e-cycles and this could be exacerbated
    by tampering”, and this will be considered as part of cross-government
    work into the safety of lithium-ion batteries used by e-bikes.

    ‘Buying a complete e-bike is generally safer’ – new government
    guidance uneasy about DIY conversions

    An ESF spokesperson said: “We believe the priority should be to ensure
    the current batteries and accessories for these devices are safe.

    "At present, a fully charged e-bike battery can release a similar
    amount of stored energy to six hand grenades if the device fails. We
    need tighter regulation to ensure e-bikes and their batteries are safe
    before they come onto the market.

    “We will of course review the proposals within the consultation issued
    today and provide a response, but we urge the government to prioritise
    adopting our forthcoming Bill in Parliament to introduce third party
    certification for e-bikes, e-scooters and their batteries, to prevent
    further loss of life.”

    UK bike trade backs ESF e-bike fire safety recommendations - but
    action "must address high risk imports"

    McMonagle also said that e-bikes with no pedal requirement would reduce
    the health benefits of e-cycling – "in essence, they would blur the
    line between e-bikes and electric motorbikes.

    "The government has stated that the proposed changes would make
    e-cycles more attractive, yet the most commonly cited reason for people
    not cycling is that they don’t feel safe. E-cycles are also
    prohibitively expensive for many people.

    “We fully agree with the government’s goal to get more people to enjoy >> the benefits of e-cycles, but believe the way to do that effectively is
    to invest in high quality infrastructure and provide financial
    assistance for those who need it.”

    Pedal Me also harbours reservations about throttle-controlled e-bikes,
    saying, "clearly there should be exceptions for those with disability,
    but we foresee widespread abuse from 'twist and go' arrangements."

    The consultation began yesterday, February 29, and will run until
    11:59pm on April 25.

    <https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/news/e-bike-proposals-a-huge-safety- risk-says-cycling-uk-and-would-blur-the-line-between-e>

    An electric bicycle has an electric motor.
    I would have thought that ipso facto this would make an electric bicycle
    a motorbike.

    Sounds sensible to me. So what about mobility scooters? And does that
    make electric wheelchairs cars?

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to Mungo Jerry on Mon Mar 4 20:47:56 2024
    On 4/03/24 11:23, Mungo Jerry wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 10:53:23 +1300, Peter Keller wrote:

    On 4/03/24 04:43, Spike wrote:

    E-bike proposals "a huge safety risk" says Cycling UK and would "blur
    the line between e-bikes and electric motorbikes"

    by Rebecca Morley Mar 1 2024

    Electrical Safety First also expresses concern as government
    acknowledges risk of “more severe battery fires”

    The government’s proposals to double the legal wattage of electric bike >>> motors to 500W and allow ‘twist and go’ e-bikes to have throttle
    assistance up to 15.5mph present a “huge safety risk” to pedestrians >>> and others who cycle, charity Cycling UK has said.

    The Department for Transport (DfT) announced the proposed changes
    yesterday, with the rationale that they will make electrically assisted
    pedal cycles (EAPCs), “a more attractive and viable travel option for
    more people,” with benefits including making it easier for people to
    ride up hills.

    Reacting to the news on X (formerly Twitter), London e-cargo bike
    courier,
    Pedal Me, said cargo bikes are, "a potentially transformational
    technology", and "much safer, more efficient, cleaner to share a city
    with," but that currently, "they are hindered by a lack of power.
    Especially in hilly areas."

    Electric bikes and UK law

    But Cycling UK’s director of external affairs, Sarah McMonagle, said
    the increased power, "would mean faster acceleration and much heavier
    bikes,
    which we’re really concerned about.”

    The Bicycle Association (BA) also suggested that higher powered
    vehicles would accelerate more quickly and would require bigger
    batteries, making them heavier and more dangerous in crashes.

    The trade body said that while the idea of more power and throttles may
    seem superficially attractive, “we believe it cannot be introduced
    without putting at risk the electric cycle’s category status as ‘not a >>> motor vehicle'."

    Florida town temporarily bans e-bikes in response to death of local
    woman following collision with 12-year-old e-bike rider

    Also commenting on the news, charity Electrical Safety First (ESF) said
    substandard e-bike batteries are already causing "devastating" fires
    across the country, and that it was “concerning” that the government is >>> consulting on permitting an increase in power, “without first
    addressing the critical safety concerns we have raised”.

    The government’s consultation says, “there may be a risk of more severe >>> battery fires from more powerful e-cycles and this could be exacerbated
    by tampering”, and this will be considered as part of cross-government >>> work into the safety of lithium-ion batteries used by e-bikes.

    ‘Buying a complete e-bike is generally safer’ – new government
    guidance uneasy about DIY conversions

    An ESF spokesperson said: “We believe the priority should be to ensure >>> the current batteries and accessories for these devices are safe.

    "At present, a fully charged e-bike battery can release a similar
    amount of stored energy to six hand grenades if the device fails. We
    need tighter regulation to ensure e-bikes and their batteries are safe
    before they come onto the market.

    “We will of course review the proposals within the consultation issued >>> today and provide a response, but we urge the government to prioritise
    adopting our forthcoming Bill in Parliament to introduce third party
    certification for e-bikes, e-scooters and their batteries, to prevent
    further loss of life.”

    UK bike trade backs ESF e-bike fire safety recommendations - but
    action "must address high risk imports"

    McMonagle also said that e-bikes with no pedal requirement would reduce
    the health benefits of e-cycling – "in essence, they would blur the
    line between e-bikes and electric motorbikes.

    "The government has stated that the proposed changes would make
    e-cycles more attractive, yet the most commonly cited reason for people
    not cycling is that they don’t feel safe. E-cycles are also
    prohibitively expensive for many people.

    “We fully agree with the government’s goal to get more people to enjoy >>> the benefits of e-cycles, but believe the way to do that effectively is
    to invest in high quality infrastructure and provide financial
    assistance for those who need it.”

    Pedal Me also harbours reservations about throttle-controlled e-bikes,
    saying, "clearly there should be exceptions for those with disability,
    but we foresee widespread abuse from 'twist and go' arrangements."

    The consultation began yesterday, February 29, and will run until
    11:59pm on April 25.

    <https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/news/e-bike-proposals-a-huge-safety-
    risk-says-cycling-uk-and-would-blur-the-line-between-e>

    An electric bicycle has an electric motor.
    I would have thought that ipso facto this would make an electric bicycle
    a motorbike.

    Sounds sensible to me. So what about mobility scooters? And does that
    make electric wheelchairs cars?

    Yes, they are technically motor vehicles.
    But pragmatically they can perhaps be limited to footpaths and such and
    to a maximum speed of 3 mph. After all thy enable people who cannot walk
    to move around.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Mon Mar 4 14:34:49 2024
    On 03/03/2024 09:53 pm, Peter Keller wrote:
    On 4/03/24 04:43, Spike wrote:

    E-bike proposals "a huge safety risk" says Cycling UK and would "blur the
    line between e-bikes and electric motorbikes"

    by Rebecca Morley Mar 1 2024

    Electrical Safety First also expresses concern as government acknowledges
    risk of “more severe battery fires”

    The government’s proposals to double the legal wattage of electric bike
    motors to 500W and allow ‘twist and go’ e-bikes to have throttle
    assistance
    up to 15.5mph present a “huge safety risk” to pedestrians and others who >> cycle, charity Cycling UK has said.

    The Department for Transport (DfT) announced the proposed changes
    yesterday, with the rationale that they will make electrically assisted
    pedal cycles (EAPCs), “a more attractive and viable travel option for
    more
    people,” with benefits including making it easier for people to ride up
    hills.

    Reacting to the news on X (formerly Twitter), London e-cargo bike
    courier,
    Pedal Me, said cargo bikes are, "a potentially transformational
    technology", and "much safer, more efficient, cleaner to share a city
    with," but that currently, "they are hindered by a lack of power.
    Especially in hilly areas."

    Electric bikes and UK law

    But Cycling UK’s director of external affairs, Sarah McMonagle, said the >> increased power, "would mean faster acceleration and much heavier bikes,
    which we’re really concerned about.”

    The Bicycle Association (BA) also suggested that higher powered vehicles
    would accelerate more quickly and would require bigger batteries, making
    them heavier and more dangerous in crashes.

    The trade body said that while the idea of more power and throttles may
    seem superficially attractive, “we believe it cannot be introduced
    without
    putting at risk the electric cycle’s category status as ‘not a motor
    vehicle'."

    Florida town temporarily bans e-bikes in response to death of local
    woman
    following collision with 12-year-old e-bike rider

    Also commenting on the news, charity Electrical Safety First (ESF) said
    substandard e-bike batteries are already causing "devastating" fires
    across
    the country, and that it was “concerning” that the government is
    consulting
    on permitting an increase in power, “without first addressing the
    critical
    safety concerns we have raised”.

    The government’s consultation says, “there may be a risk of more severe >> battery fires from more powerful e-cycles and this could be
    exacerbated by
    tampering”, and this will be considered as part of cross-government work >> into the safety of lithium-ion batteries used by e-bikes.

    ‘Buying a complete e-bike is generally safer’ – new government guidance
    uneasy about DIY conversions

    An ESF spokesperson said: “We believe the priority should be to ensure
    the
    current batteries and accessories for these devices are safe.

    "At present, a fully charged e-bike battery can release a similar
    amount of
    stored energy to six hand grenades if the device fails. We need tighter
    regulation to ensure e-bikes and their batteries are safe before they
    come
    onto the market.

    “We will of course review the proposals within the consultation issued
    today and provide a response, but we urge the government to prioritise
    adopting our forthcoming Bill in Parliament to introduce third party
    certification for e-bikes, e-scooters and their batteries, to prevent
    further loss of life.”

    UK bike trade backs ESF e-bike fire safety recommendations - but action
    "must address high risk imports"

    McMonagle also said that e-bikes with no pedal requirement would
    reduce the
    health benefits of e-cycling – "in essence, they would blur the line
    between e-bikes and electric motorbikes.

    "The government has stated that the proposed changes would make e-cycles
    more attractive, yet the most commonly cited reason for people not
    cycling
    is that they don’t feel safe. E-cycles are also prohibitively
    expensive for
    many people.

    “We fully agree with the government’s goal to get more people to enjoy >> the
    benefits of e-cycles, but believe the way to do that effectively is to
    invest in high quality infrastructure and provide financial assistance
    for
    those who need it.”

    Pedal Me also harbours reservations about throttle-controlled e-bikes,
    saying, "clearly there should be exceptions for those with disability,
    but
    we foresee widespread abuse from 'twist and go' arrangements."

    The consultation began yesterday, February 29, and will run until 11:59pm
    on April 25.

    <https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/news/e-bike-proposals-a-huge-safety-risk-says-cycling-uk-and-would-blur-the-line-between-e>


    An electric bicycle has an electric motor.
    I would have thought that ipso facto this would make an electric bicycle
    a motorbike.

    So would I.

    If someone managed to fit an electric motor (and steering) onto a
    "trailer", we can all be assured that the police and courts would not be
    put off by a claim that it wasn't a car.

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  • From Nick Finnigan@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Mon Mar 4 17:15:20 2024
    On 04/03/2024 07:47, Peter Keller wrote:
    On 4/03/24 11:23, Mungo Jerry wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 10:53:23 +1300, Peter Keller wrote:


    An electric bicycle has an electric motor.
    I would have thought that ipso facto this would make an electric bicycle >>> a motorbike.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electrically-assisted-pedal-cycles-eapcs/electrically-assisted-pedal-cycles-eapcs-in-great-britain-information-sheet


    Sounds sensible to me. So what about mobility scooters? And does that
    make electric wheelchairs cars?


    Yes, they are technically motor vehicles.
    ... subject to section 20 of the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons
    Act 1970 (which makes special provision about invalid carriages, within the meaning of that Act),

    But pragmatically they can perhaps be limited to footpaths and such and to
    a maximum speed of 3 mph. After all thy enable people who cannot walk to
    move around.

    4mph on footway, 8mph on other roads (and used by a Disabled person) https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1988/2268/regulation/4/made

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