A friend, living in Canada, is doing his AR qualification in Canada,
assuming he passes, then moves to the UK, what are the possibilities for
him to change that into to a UK AR licence?
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had
to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
On 12/03/2024 09:14, mm0fmf wrote:
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had
to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
Thanks, I had best advise him he is wasting his time then. Better to
wait, until back in the UK.
On 11/03/2024 19:38, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
A friend, living in Canada, is doing his AR qualification in Canada,
assuming he passes, then moves to the UK, what are the possibilities
for him to change that into to a UK AR licence?
Canada is not a signatory to TR 61-02 so the HAREC route to a full (reciprocal) licence doesn't exist. The UK and Canada do not share a reciprocal arrangement outside of TR 61-02 either. It looks like they
will have do sit and pass the UK FL, IL and Full exams.
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had
to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
On 12/03/2024 09:14, mm0fmf wrote:
On 11/03/2024 19:38, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
A friend, living in Canada, is doing his AR qualification in Canada,
assuming he passes, then moves to the UK, what are the possibilities
for him to change that into to a UK AR licence?
Canada is not a signatory to TR 61-02 so the HAREC route to a full
(reciprocal) licence doesn't exist. The UK and Canada do not share a
reciprocal arrangement outside of TR 61-02 either. It looks like they
will have do sit and pass the UK FL, IL and Full exams.
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had
to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
That is strange because sitting the US exam in the UK used to be a
recognised way to get a UK reciprocal licence at a single sitting.
Jeff
On 13 Mar 2024 at 10:15:03 GMT, "Jeff" <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 12/03/2024 09:14, mm0fmf wrote:
On 11/03/2024 19:38, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
A friend, living in Canada, is doing his AR qualification in Canada,
assuming he passes, then moves to the UK, what are the possibilities
for him to change that into to a UK AR licence?
Canada is not a signatory to TR 61-02 so the HAREC route to a full
(reciprocal) licence doesn't exist. The UK and Canada do not share a
reciprocal arrangement outside of TR 61-02 either. It looks like they
will have do sit and pass the UK FL, IL and Full exams.
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had
to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
That is strange because sitting the US exam in the UK used to be a
recognised way to get a UK reciprocal licence at a single sitting.
Jeff
Was it not the Irish exam that those who strongly disliked the Foundation >licence recommended?
Although I've only had a quick look, I get the impression that you can
get a US licence on the strength of your Canadian licence (and vice
versa), I'm therefore surprised that you can't also get a UK licence
(even if only by 'special arrangement'). It's probably worth getting the
true situation from a trusted horse's mouth.
In message <2565470004.67fb4550@uninhabited.net>, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> writes
On 13 Mar 2024 at 10:15:03 GMT, "Jeff" <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:Although I've only had a quick look, I get the impression that you can
On 12/03/2024 09:14, mm0fmf wrote:
On 11/03/2024 19:38, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
A friend, living in Canada, is doing his AR qualification in Canada, >>>>> assuming he passes, then moves to the UK, what are the possibilities >>>>> for him to change that into to a UK AR licence?
Canada is not a signatory to TR 61-02 so the HAREC route to a full
(reciprocal) licence doesn't exist. The UK and Canada do not share a >>>> reciprocal arrangement outside of TR 61-02 either. It looks like they
will have do sit and pass the UK FL, IL and Full exams.
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had >>>> to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
That is strange because sitting the US exam in the UK used to be a
recognised way to get a UK reciprocal licence at a single sitting.
Jeff
Was it not the Irish exam that those who strongly disliked the Foundation
licence recommended?
get a US licence on the strength of your Canadian licence (and vice
versa), I'm therefore surprised that you can't also get a UK licence
(even if only by 'special arrangement'). It's probably worth getting the > true situation from a trusted horse's mouth.
On 12/03/2024 09:14, mm0fmf wrote:
On 11/03/2024 19:38, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
A friend, living in Canada, is doing his AR qualification in Canada,
assuming he passes, then moves to the UK, what are the possibilities
for him to change that into to a UK AR licence?
Canada is not a signatory to TR 61-02 so the HAREC route to a full
(reciprocal) licence doesn't exist. The UK and Canada do not share a
reciprocal arrangement outside of TR 61-02 either. It looks like they
will have do sit and pass the UK FL, IL and Full exams.
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had
to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
That is strange because sitting the US exam in the UK used to be a
recognised way to get a UK reciprocal licence at a single sitting.
Jeff
On 11/03/2024 19:38, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
A friend, living in Canada, is doing his AR qualification in Canada,
assuming he passes, then moves to the UK, what are the possibilities for
him to change that into to a UK AR licence?
Canada is not a signatory to TR 61-02 so the HAREC route to a full (reciprocal) licence doesn't exist. The UK and Canada do not share a reciprocal arrangement outside of TR 61-02 either. It looks like they
will have do sit and pass the UK FL, IL and Full exams.
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had
to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
On 11/03/2024 19:38, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
A friend, living in Canada, is doing his AR qualification in Canada,
assuming he passes, then moves to the UK, what are the possibilities for >>> him to change that into to a UK AR licence?
Canada is not a signatory to TR 61-02 so the HAREC route to a full
(reciprocal) licence doesn't exist. The UK and Canada do not share a
reciprocal arrangement outside of TR 61-02 either. It looks like they
will have do sit and pass the UK FL, IL and Full exams.
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had
to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
There is an agreement between the UK/ US, Extras can get a UK Full. A
friend of mine did it around the time I did my US exams.
I’d be surprised if there isn’t a similar deal with Canada.
The issue is contacting the right person in Ofcom. These days, they don’t know their rear from their elbow.
mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
On 11/03/2024 19:38, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
A friend, living in Canada, is doing his AR qualification in Canada,
assuming he passes, then moves to the UK, what are the possibilities for >>> him to change that into to a UK AR licence?
Canada is not a signatory to TR 61-02 so the HAREC route to a full
(reciprocal) licence doesn't exist. The UK and Canada do not share a
reciprocal arrangement outside of TR 61-02 either. It looks like they
will have do sit and pass the UK FL, IL and Full exams.
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had
to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
There is an agreement between the UK/ US, Extras can get a UK Full. A
friend of mine did it around the time I did my US exams.
I’d be surprised if there isn’t a similar deal with Canada.
The issue is contacting the right person in Ofcom. These days, they don’t know their rear from their elbow.
On 13/03/2024 21:29, Brian wrote:
mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
On 11/03/2024 19:38, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
A friend, living in Canada, is doing his AR qualification in Canada,
assuming he passes, then moves to the UK, what are the possibilities for >>>> him to change that into to a UK AR licence?
Canada is not a signatory to TR 61-02 so the HAREC route to a full
(reciprocal) licence doesn't exist. The UK and Canada do not share a
reciprocal arrangement outside of TR 61-02 either. It looks like they
will have do sit and pass the UK FL, IL and Full exams.
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had
to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
There is an agreement between the UK/ US, Extras can get a UK Full. A
friend of mine did it around the time I did my US exams.
Not any more. Hence Ofcom insisting my colleague sit the FL/IL/Full route.
I’d be surprised if there isn’t a similar deal with Canada.
Did you check Ofcom's literature on reciprocal licences for countries
that signed TR-61/02?
Did you check the (small) list of countries outside TR-61/02 that Ofcom publishes were there is a reciprocal system in place?
mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
On 13/03/2024 21:29, Brian wrote:
mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
On 11/03/2024 19:38, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
A friend, living in Canada, is doing his AR qualification in Canada, >>>>> assuming he passes, then moves to the UK, what are the possibilities for >>>>> him to change that into to a UK AR licence?
Canada is not a signatory to TR 61-02 so the HAREC route to a full
(reciprocal) licence doesn't exist. The UK and Canada do not share a
reciprocal arrangement outside of TR 61-02 either. It looks like they
will have do sit and pass the UK FL, IL and Full exams.
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had >>>> to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
There is an agreement between the UK/ US, Extras can get a UK Full. A
friend of mine did it around the time I did my US exams.
Not any more. Hence Ofcom insisting my colleague sit the FL/IL/Full route. >>
I’d be surprised if there isn’t a similar deal with Canada.
Did you check Ofcom's literature on reciprocal licences for countries
that signed TR-61/02?
Did you check the (small) list of countries outside TR-61/02 that Ofcom
publishes were there is a reciprocal system in place?
The UK had agreements with several countries before TR-61/02 was a pipe dream. Are you claiming they’ve been torn up?
Just because some lazy jobsworth doesn’t know about them, doesn’t mean they
don’t exist.
mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
On 13/03/2024 21:29, Brian wrote:
mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
On 11/03/2024 19:38, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
A friend, living in Canada, is doing his AR qualification in Canada, >>>>> assuming he passes, then moves to the UK, what are the possibilities for >>>>> him to change that into to a UK AR licence?
Canada is not a signatory to TR 61-02 so the HAREC route to a full
(reciprocal) licence doesn't exist. The UK and Canada do not share a
reciprocal arrangement outside of TR 61-02 either. It looks like they
will have do sit and pass the UK FL, IL and Full exams.
This fits with a friend who has UK and US citizenship and now lives
6months of the year in each country. He had a US Extra licence but had >>>> to sit the 3 UK exams to get a Full licence.
There is an agreement between the UK/ US, Extras can get a UK Full. A
friend of mine did it around the time I did my US exams.
Not any more. Hence Ofcom insisting my colleague sit the FL/IL/Full route. >>
I’d be surprised if there isn’t a similar deal with Canada.
Did you check Ofcom's literature on reciprocal licences for countries
that signed TR-61/02?
Did you check the (small) list of countries outside TR-61/02 that Ofcom
publishes were there is a reciprocal system in place?
The UK had agreements with several countries before TR-61/02 was a pipe dream. Are you claiming they’ve been torn up?
Just because some lazy jobsworth doesn’t know about them, doesn’t mean they
don’t exist.
There is an agreement between the UK/ US, Extras can get a UK Full. A
friend of mine did it around the time I did my US exams.
Not any more. Hence Ofcom insisting my colleague sit the FL/IL/Full route. >>
I’d be surprised if there isn’t a similar deal with Canada.
Did you check Ofcom's literature on reciprocal licences for countries
that signed TR-61/02?
Did you check the (small) list of countries outside TR-61/02 that Ofcom
publishes were there is a reciprocal system in place?
The UK had agreements with several countries before TR-61/02 was a pipe dream. Are you claiming they’ve been torn up?
Just because some lazy jobsworth doesn’t know about them, doesn’t mean they
don’t exist.
There is an agreement between the UK/ US, Extras can get a UK Full. A
friend of mine did it around the time I did my US exams.
Not any more. Hence Ofcom insisting my colleague sit the FL/IL/Full
route.
I’d be surprised if there isn’t a similar deal with Canada.
Did you check Ofcom's literature on reciprocal licences for countries
that signed TR-61/02?
Did you check the (small) list of countries outside TR-61/02 that Ofcom
publishes were there is a reciprocal system in place?
The UK had agreements with several countries before TR-61/02 was a pipe
dream. Are you claiming they’ve been torn up?
Just because some lazy jobsworth doesn’t know about them, doesn’t mean >> they
don’t exist.
Indeed, in 2016 it seems that it was possible, Here is Ofcom's reply to
the same question to a FoI request:
"You asked: “Firstly, as I understand it US Licences are recognised
for use in the UK, and can be exchanged for UK licences, is this correct ?
If so which classes of US licences can be exchanged for UK licences ?
The USA participates in CEPT Recommendation T/R 61-01 ([1]http://www.erodocdb.dk/docs/doc98/offici... Under
this recommendation, the holder of a US ‘Extra’ and ‘Advanced’ licences
may operate in another participating country (including the United
Kingdom) for up to three months, without the need to obtain a further authorisation. If you wish to operate in the UK for more than three
months, you must be individually authorised by us. As the USA does not participate in CEPT Recommendation T/R 61-02, holders of the US Extra
and Advanced licences may apply only for a UK Amateur Radio (Temporary Reciprocal) Licence. This licence costs £20 each time it is issued. It is valid for six months and must be renewed. The £20 fee is payable
upon each renewal."
<https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/converting_a_us_amateur_radio_li>
Jeff
On 16/03/2024 09:14, Jeff wrote:
There is an agreement between the UK/ US, Extras can get a UK Full. A >>>>> friend of mine did it around the time I did my US exams.
Not any more. Hence Ofcom insisting my colleague sit the FL/IL/Full
route.
I’d be surprised if there isn’t a similar deal with Canada.
Did you check Ofcom's literature on reciprocal licences for countries
that signed TR-61/02?
Did you check the (small) list of countries outside TR-61/02 that Ofcom >>>> publishes were there is a reciprocal system in place?
The UK had agreements with several countries before TR-61/02 was a pipe
dream. Are you claiming they’ve been torn up?
Just because some lazy jobsworth doesn’t know about them, doesn’t mean >>> they
don’t exist.
Indeed, in 2016 it seems that it was possible, Here is Ofcom's reply to
the same question to a FoI request:
"You asked: “Firstly, as I understand it US Licences are recognised
for use in the UK, and can be exchanged for UK licences, is this correct ? >> If so which classes of US licences can be exchanged for UK licences ?
The USA participates in CEPT Recommendation T/R 61-01
([1]http://www.erodocdb.dk/docs/doc98/offici... Under
this recommendation, the holder of a US ‘Extra’ and ‘Advanced’ licences
may operate in another participating country (including the United
Kingdom) for up to three months, without the need to obtain a further
authorisation. If you wish to operate in the UK for more than three
months, you must be individually authorised by us. As the USA does not
participate in CEPT Recommendation T/R 61-02, holders of the US Extra
and Advanced licences may apply only for a UK Amateur Radio (Temporary
Reciprocal) Licence. This licence costs £20 each time it is issued. It
is valid for six months and must be renewed. The £20 fee is payable
upon each renewal."
<https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/converting_a_us_amateur_radio_li>
Jeff
So actually the answer is "no you can't exchange, but you can get a
temporary licence at £20 per six months". Not very attractive if you are coming to live in the UK.
Dave
On 17 Mar 2024 at 12:59:34 GMT, "David Wade" <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
On 16/03/2024 09:14, Jeff wrote:
There is an agreement between the UK/ US, Extras can get a UK Full. A >>>>>> friend of mine did it around the time I did my US exams.
Not any more. Hence Ofcom insisting my colleague sit the FL/IL/Full
route.
I’d be surprised if there isn’t a similar deal with Canada.
Did you check Ofcom's literature on reciprocal licences for countries >>>>> that signed TR-61/02?
Did you check the (small) list of countries outside TR-61/02 that Ofcom >>>>> publishes were there is a reciprocal system in place?
The UK had agreements with several countries before TR-61/02 was a pipe >>>> dream. Are you claiming they’ve been torn up?
Just because some lazy jobsworth doesn’t know about them, doesn’t mean >>>> they
don’t exist.
Indeed, in 2016 it seems that it was possible, Here is Ofcom's reply to
the same question to a FoI request:
"You asked: “Firstly, as I understand it US Licences are recognised
for use in the UK, and can be exchanged for UK licences, is this correct ? >>> If so which classes of US licences can be exchanged for UK licences ?
The USA participates in CEPT Recommendation T/R 61-01
([1]http://www.erodocdb.dk/docs/doc98/offici... Under
this recommendation, the holder of a US ‘Extra’ and ‘Advanced’ >>>licences
may operate in another participating country (including the United
Kingdom) for up to three months, without the need to obtain a further
authorisation. If you wish to operate in the UK for more than three
months, you must be individually authorised by us. As the USA does not
participate in CEPT Recommendation T/R 61-02, holders of the US Extra
and Advanced licences may apply only for a UK Amateur Radio (Temporary
Reciprocal) Licence. This licence costs £20 each time it is issued. It >>> is valid for six months and must be renewed. The £20 fee is payable
upon each renewal."
<https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/converting_a_us_amateur_radio_li> >>>
Jeff
So actually the answer is "no you can't exchange, but you can get a
temporary licence at £20 per six months". Not very attractive if you are
coming to live in the UK.
Dave
That really seems a very moderate fee for an amateur licence to me. But I >suppose it would rankle that everyone else was paying nothing.
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