I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I
decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again? I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

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On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck again?

Now that problem is an automotive one as well.

I wouldn't worry too much about 'food safe' - you are not cooking food
on the glass - but look for some kind of 'anti-seize' . Oils and greases
will break down and make things *worse*.

You need something loaded with a soft thread filler that will take the temperature

e.g

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Copper-Grease-Temperature-Assembly-Lubricant/dp/B08VW6TQMX/

--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

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In article <l2jsglFlucmU1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again? I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

Buy a proper cover removal tool. Works atreat.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again?  I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

I would be reluctant to use anything that has the slightest chance of
drying up and acting as glue. There are some dry lubricants designed for
high temperatures. They tend to contain be molybdenum disulphide.

I would fit by hand, tight enough it doesn't move but not so tight I
can't undo it. You can still use your tool if it becomes stuck at a
later date.

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On 8 Feb 2024 at 12:15:02 GMT, charles wrote:

In article <l2jsglFlucmU1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven
before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor
difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I
decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again? I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

Maybe just refit it as loose as you can - certainly don't tighten it firmly with the tool.

Buy a proper cover removal tool. Works atreat.

Looks as though the OP did?
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Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again? I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

Do you screw it on tight then back off by a 1/4 turn? That should help.
Failing that, molybdenum disulfide is a high-temp lubricant. It has very
low toxicity in case you are concerned, but graphite powder should also
work ok, and that is safe.

--

Jeff

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again? I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

Copper grease? You’re not going to be eating it.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

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charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

In article <l2jsglFlucmU1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven
before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor
difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I
decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again? I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

Buy a proper cover removal tool. Works atreat.

See link posted by OP.

Tim

--
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RJH wrote:

charles wrote:

Buy a proper cover removal tool. Works atreat.

Looks as though the OP did?

Yes, I did, it helped a couple of years ago when I couldn't open it by
hand, or with rubber gloves etc, but this time it just kept slipping off
the ribs.

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On 08/02/2024 13:03, Andy Burns wrote:

Tim+ wrote:

Copper grease?

This sounds like the stuff to use, but I see it sold in qty 3 or 12
tubes, which is several lifetime's worth

<https://www.rocol.com/datasheets/download/tds/6/FOODLUBE%20Anti-Seize>

It may claim to be high temperature but the base/thickener is
Polyalphaolefin, which has a maximum service temperature of 140C.

It's going to dry out and likely act like glue.

You’re not going to be eating it.

Didn't want it melting and fans blowing it around on my food

MSDS says it's a polyalphaolefin oil with fillers of talc, chalk and
titanium dioxide

<https://www.rocol.com/datasheets/download/clp/6/FOODLUBE%20Anti-Seize>

With an unknown temperature range? It's going to dry out leaving the
inorganic residues, though I guess TiO2 is known for lubricity.

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On 08/02/2024 13:03, Andy Burns wrote:

Tim+ wrote:

Copper grease?

This sounds like the stuff to use, but I see it sold in qty 3 or 12
tubes, which is several lifetime's worth

<https://www.rocol.com/datasheets/download/tds/6/FOODLUBE%20Anti-Seize>

You’re not going to be eating it.

Didn't want it melting and fans blowing it around on my food

MSDS says it's a polyalphaolefin oil with fillers of talc, chalk and
titanium dioxide

not interested in eating those either.
You do realise that polyalphaolefin oil is the basis for all synthetic
car oils?

<https://www.rocol.com/datasheets/download/clp/6/FOODLUBE%20Anti-Seize>

--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

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On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again?  I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

Silicone grease. You just want to fill the voids so nothing sticky can
get in.

--
Cheers
Clive

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

MSDS says it's a polyalphaolefin oil with fillers of talc, chalk and
titanium dioxide

not interested in eating those either.

I thought more or less every white thing contained it?

You do realise that polyalphaolefin oil is the basis for all synthetic
car oils?

Yes

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On 08/02/2024 13:43, Andy Burns wrote:

Fredxx wrote:

<https://www.rocol.com/datasheets/download/clp/6/FOODLUBE%20Anti-Seize>

With an unknown temperature range?

The datasheet says up to 450°C

It's going to dry out leaving the inorganic residues, though I guess
TiO2 is known for lubricity.

My coffee machine "grease" is silicone based, how does that fare above
200°C

Silicone grease combines a silicone oil with a thickener. The thickener
varies but if mineral based it will slowly disintegrate above 200C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_grease

The Wiki article suggests amorphous fumed silica can be used as a
thickener but I have seen sources that use a carbon based mineral grease.

Just looked up Polydimethylsiloxane, the typical silicone oil used and
some sources say a temperature range up to 150C, others suggest 300C.

This paper gets quite involved.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jules-Hammond/post/What-is-the-thermal-stability-of-Polydimethylsiloxane-PDMS-in-air/attachment/59d64aa479197b80779a4ec5/AS%3A476481026564097%401490613337287/download/PDMS+Thermal+Degradation+Part+2+-+The+Degradation+
Mechanisms.pdf

Or
http://tinyurl.com/9ew5mynh

The good thing is that it doesn't seems to form a solid residue at high temperatures? BICBW

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On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again?  I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

Few turns of PTFE tape perhaps (needs over 300 deg to melt)?

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 08/02/2024 16:30, Andy Burns wrote:

John Rumm wrote:

Few turns of PTFE tape perhaps (needs over 300 deg to melt)?

I'll try that with some of the 'thick' gas tape, failing that the

PTFE is only good to 260°C

silicone grease says it is good to 250°C

I am not sure that anything carbon or silicon based will not eventually
degrade at that temperature: the benefit of copper loaded muckite is the
copper at least stays to fill the gap avoiding fat vapours from
condensing there

<https://pozzani.co.uk/Pozzani/filterlogic-cfl651-silicone-grease-100g.html>

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra

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On 08/02/2024 16:08, John Rumm wrote:

On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my
oven before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with
minor difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I
decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants
and oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again?  I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

Few turns of PTFE tape perhaps (needs over 300 deg to melt)?

Hmmmm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene

"While PTFE is stable at lower temperatures, it begins to deteriorate
at temperatures of about 260 °C (500 °F), it decomposes above 350 °C
(662 °F), and pyrolysis occurs at temperatures above 400 °C (752
°F).[60] The main decomposition products are fluorocarbon gases and a sublimate, including tetrafluoroethylene (TFE) and difluorocarbene
radicals (RCF2).[60]

An animal study conducted in 1955 concluded that it is unlikely that
these products would be generated in amounts significant to health at temperatures below 250 °C (482 °F).[33] Above those temperatures the degradation by-products can be lethal to birds,[61] and can cause
flu-like symptoms in humans (polymer fume fever),[62] although in humans
those symptoms disappear within a day or two of being moved to fresh
air.[63]"

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Animal wrote:

Beware, all the recommended greases & other wet lubes will break
down & act like superglue. DO NOT use any of them. Cleaning the
glass with caustic soda will help, as glass is slipperier than burnt residues.

Once I got it out I did wash it (mainly to get the washing-up liquid off
it) but there wasn't any noticeable amount of baked-on residue on it, I
think it's just a bad design (read the reviews of the removal tool in
the O/P)

DON'T tighten it up when replacing. I don't believe a lube of
any sort is needed if you follow those 2, but if you do use something it
must be a dry solid only. PTFE should be sufficient if the oven does
not have a hot catalytic clean program, and the glass is not near an
element. Absolutely do not use it if those apply though, burnt fluorine compounds are toxic.

Not a fancy pyrolytic oven.

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 11:33:42 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again? I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

For a friend's oven I used a sort of 'rubber band' adjustable tool (ideal
for taps, jars etc.) then put a smear of high-temperature moly grease on the threads.
Luckily the glass is quite raised - about half the width of the band.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

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On 08/02/2024 12:15, charles wrote:

In article <l2jsglFlucmU1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven
before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor
difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I
decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again? I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

Buy a proper cover removal tool. Works atreat.

Having broken one with a proper removal tool, I suggest some sort of lube...

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pinnerite wrote:

PTFE is toxic. Not suitable in anything likely to make contact with food.

Such as frying pans?

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On 08/02/2024 18:53, Andy Burns wrote:

pinnerite wrote:

PTFE is toxic. Not suitable in anything likely to make contact with food.

Such as frying pans?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jan/25/are-my-non-stick-pans-a-health-hazard-teflon

Most article recommending keeping to a temperature of less than 260C.

Shouldn't be difficult is using oil that would normally vaporise at a
lower temperature.

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On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again?  I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

Olive oil?

It works well on the rails of our sliding shelves.

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On 2/8/2024 6:33 AM, Andy Burns wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase' on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging, poured some more around it, left it

overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck again?  I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/193626401816

At the bottom of that page, they show an entire replacement
socket, bulb and cover. What a tease.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/355365020625

Paul

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Paul wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck again?

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/193626401816

Yes, that's the tool I have

At the bottom of that page, they show an entire replacement
socket, bulb and cover. What a tease.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/355365020625

After removing the shelves, door, top, back and one side, I could see
that whole assembly, but not remove it without going even further.

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On 08/02/2024 18:53, Andy Burns wrote:

pinnerite wrote:

PTFE is toxic. Not suitable in anything likely to make contact with food.

Such as frying pans?

And in taped water pipe joints?

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On 08/02/2024 21:54, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:

On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again?  I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

Olive oil?

It works well on the rails of our sliding shelves.

But not at 200°C

--
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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

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On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:

I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor difficulty

<https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>

Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I decided it was going to come out one way or another ...

Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!

The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
oven chips.

So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
again?  I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

I'm confused, Andy. I can't see which oven you mean, or is there only
one model of Neff Oven?

I have a/THE Neff Oven and the glass cover comes out easily - just
relying on my fingernails to prise it out of the fitting.

You write "the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again".
That means that "it" refers to the lamp, not the glass cover. Is that so?

PA

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On 08/02/2024 18:32, pinnerite wrote:

On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 17:04:24 +0000
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Animal wrote:

Beware, all the recommended greases & other wet lubes will break
down & act like superglue. DO NOT use any of them. Cleaning the
glass with caustic soda will help, as glass is slipperier than burnt
residues.

Once I got it out I did wash it (mainly to get the washing-up liquid off
it) but there wasn't any noticeable amount of baked-on residue on it, I
think it's just a bad design (read the reviews of the removal tool in
the O/P)

DON'T tighten it up when replacing. I don't believe a lube of
any sort is needed if you follow those 2, but if you do use something it >>> must be a dry solid only. PTFE should be sufficient if the oven does
not have a hot catalytic clean program, and the glass is not near an
element. Absolutely do not use it if those apply though, burnt fluorine
compounds are toxic.

Not a fancy pyrolytic oven.

PTFE is toxic. Not suitable in anything likely to make contact with food.

Just as well they don't sell pans coated in the stuff then... oh hang on
a mo?

I don't know if it produces vapour when subject to high temperatures.

It is toxic if you get it hot enough to actually break down.
Particularly so if you get it hot enough to burn.

Was fine in tape recorders!

Is PTFE common in tape recorders?

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On 09/02/2024 16:19, Andy Burns wrote:

Peter Able wrote:

I'm confused, Andy.  I can't see which oven you mean, or is there only
one model of Neff Oven?

There are several Neff (and Bosch/Siemens models too) that share a
common lampholder and cover for an SES 40W golfball.

I have a/THE Neff Oven and the glass cover comes out easily - just
relying on my fingernails to prise it out of the fitting.

This one the glass cover about 3" diameter unscrews, it is
inconveniently sited in the corner of the roof, so you can't really grip
it well, it has shallow ribs on the outside which the removal tool is intended to mesh with, except it "cams-off" too easily.

The glass cover in my Neff oven is athletics-track-shaped (===) and it
flips away from the oven's inner lining. It is retained by two
spring-steel strips mounted on the outer surface of the oven's lining.

My Neff oven is about 40 years old. If your oven is newer than that it
seems that the design has regressed.

<https://bartyspares.uk/cdn/shop/products/s-l1600_a4ad2ce6-0258-47b4-9572-1a414a680433_473x498.jpg?v=1593001991>

You write "the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out
again". That means that "it" refers to the lamp, not the glass cover.
Is that so?

First time a lamp blew, I tried and failed without the tool, but
succeeded with the tool.  Second lamp that blew the tool didn't do the
job, the glass cover was stuck. with the oven on its back and the socket having a generous squirt of washing-up liquid, I could put all my weight
on the tool to prevent it camming off and after a few minutes it did budge.

Oddly at that point the instructions say do NOT unscrew the lamp, simply
pull the old one out and push the new one in, which is rubbish of
course, you can't do that with an SES lamp.

Odd, indeed. I've used a brief squirt of WD-40 at the bulb's ES - as
easing oil - to get the bulb out in one piece. Awful things, ES bulbs.

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