• DIY muscles?

    From Simon Ferrol@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 8 14:36:12 2024
    I remember in the 90s, you could go to Boots and you could buy one of
    these machines to develop abdominal muscles. I am reaching a certain age
    and I am gym-phobic. Do these machines work?

    SF

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  • From Smolley@21:1/5 to Simon Ferrol on Mon Jan 8 15:24:17 2024
    On Mon, 08 Jan 2024 14:36:12 +0000, Simon Ferrol wrote:

    I remember in the 90s, you could go to Boots and you could buy one of
    these machines to develop abdominal muscles. I am reaching a certain age
    and I am gym-phobic. Do these machines work?

    SF

    When I was a young boy I would see these adverts in Exchange and Mart with Charles Atlas who used a system called 'Dynamic Tension'.

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Owain Lastname on Mon Jan 8 17:03:21 2024
    On 08/01/2024 16:10, Owain Lastname wrote:
    On Monday 8 January 2024 at 14:36:21 UTC, Simon Ferrol wrote:
    I remember in the 90s, you could go to Boots and you could buy one of
    these machines to develop abdominal muscles. I am reaching a certain age
    and I am gym-phobic. Do these machines work?


    Electronic muscle stimulators?

    IIRC Slendertone was the popular brand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_muscle_stimulation#Physical_rehabilitation

    Chasing a spaniel up a hill is probably as effective, and a lot more fun.

    In freezing rain?

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  • From Adrian@21:1/5 to Owain Lastname on Mon Jan 8 18:25:50 2024
    In message <5c1daa05-8fcf-4b62-afc7-5779a14800fcn@googlegroups.com>,
    Owain Lastname <spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com> writes
    Chasing a spaniel up a hill is probably as effective, and a lot more fun.


    For you or the spaniel ?

    Adrian
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Adrian on Mon Jan 8 18:32:53 2024
    On 08/01/2024 18:25, Adrian wrote:
    In message <5c1daa05-8fcf-4b62-afc7-5779a14800fcn@googlegroups.com>,
    Owain Lastname <spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com> writes
    Chasing a spaniel up a hill is probably as effective, and a lot more fun.


    For you or the spaniel ?

    Adrian

    Both, surely?

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Simon Ferrol on Mon Jan 8 19:28:46 2024
    On 08-Jan-24 14:36, Simon Ferrol wrote:
    I remember in the 90s, you could go to Boots and you could buy one of
    these machines to develop abdominal muscles. I am reaching a certain age
    and I am gym-phobic. Do these machines work?

    Wrong set of muscles, but these seem pretty popular, and two people I
    know think they're really good.

    https://www.revitive.com

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Sam Plusnet on Mon Jan 8 23:10:00 2024
    On 08/01/2024 19:28, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 08-Jan-24 14:36, Simon Ferrol wrote:
    I remember in the 90s, you could go to Boots and you could buy one of
    these machines to develop abdominal muscles. I am reaching a certain
    age and I am gym-phobic. Do these machines work?

    Wrong set of muscles, but these seem pretty popular, and two people I
    know think they're really good.

    https://www.revitive.com


    I had an early version of this years ago. It only contracts the calf
    muscles so doesn't build muscle mass anywhere else. I found that it was
    best to soak your feet first (bath/shower/bucket) or else dead/hard skin
    formed an insulator.

    The current advert says it relieves pain and improves blood/oxygen flow.
    I assume that pain relief is similar to having a TENS machine. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/transcutaneous-electrical-nerve-stimulation-tens/


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  • From Smolley@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 9 07:32:20 2024
    On Mon, 08 Jan 2024 23:10:00 +0000, alan_m wrote:

    On 08/01/2024 19:28, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 08-Jan-24 14:36, Simon Ferrol wrote:
    I remember in the 90s, you could go to Boots and you could buy one of
    these machines to develop abdominal muscles. I am reaching a certain
    age and I am gym-phobic. Do these machines work?

    Wrong set of muscles, but these seem pretty popular, and two people I
    know think they're really good.

    https://www.revitive.com


    I had an early version of this years ago. It only contracts the calf
    muscles so doesn't build muscle mass anywhere else. I found that it was
    best to soak your feet first (bath/shower/bucket) or else dead/hard skin formed an insulator.

    The current advert says it relieves pain and improves blood/oxygen flow.
    I assume that pain relief is similar to having a TENS machine. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/transcutaneous-electrical-nerve-
    stimulation-tens/

    Yes, it diverts attention.

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  • From www.GymRatZ.co.uk@21:1/5 to Simon Ferrol on Tue Jan 9 13:22:30 2024
    On 08/01/2024 14:36, Simon Ferrol wrote:
    I remember in the 90s, you could go to Boots and you could buy one of
    these machines to develop abdominal muscles. I am reaching a certain age
    and I am gym-phobic. Do these machines work?

    They work well for the profits of the companies marketing as "no
    exercise muscles".

    They have their place for professional sports people and rehab. but the
    level of muscular contraction required to stimulate muscle growth would
    be that of an intermittent highly intense muscular cramp.

    "like doing 1000 sit-ups in your chair"
    Without going too deeply into the complexities of skeletal muscles,
    there are, in the most simplistic terms 2 types of muscle fibre:
    White "fast twitch" - strength/power stimulated by anaerobic exercise;
    Red "slow twitch" - endurance/repetitions stimulated by long bouts of
    aerobic exercise.

    100m sprinter V matharon runner phisique

    The body changes by adaptive response and conservation of energy.
    Ones muscles will decline to the point where daily (in)activity can be maintained/sustained.

    What I would say is the very best thing anyone can do for health, cure, wellbeing etc is to change dietary habits from that of multiple meals
    which maintains almost constant insulin secretion and switch to "OMAD"
    (One Meal A Day) typically afternoon to evening. Effectively "fasting"
    for 18+ hours every day.

    Also... preferred food sources being proteins and fats which don't spike insulin levels though sweetpotatoes, greens etc don't spike insulin either.

    I have done a number of "water Only" fasts. First time for 14 days and
    second time for 12 days. Energy levels go through the roof. Strength is increased and mind is very clear! Growth hormone increases (strength
    gain) and defective cells are naturally destroyed including cancer
    cells, also insulin sensitivity is increased and potential reversal of
    Type 1 & 2 Diabetes.

    If you (we) can get past a lifetime of habitual eating and stop being a
    clock controlled Pavlovs Dog, after 24 hours the hunger subsides. Water
    is genuinely all you need.
    I haven't managed a full 21 days yet as for me the 14 day point is where
    mind and physical functioning starts to degrade but 10 days is a breeze.

    Sorry for the overly long answer to a very simple question but "3 square
    meals a day" is the WORST way of eating but the lifetime of conditioning
    (and addiction) is very hard to break.


    Simple answer... No, you will try it once and never use it again, and
    any references to Bruce Lee are based on Bruce Lee tried everything. Electro-stimulaters might have assisted muscle recovery from his intense
    weight training but they didn't cause muscle growth directly.

    Cheers
    Pete

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  • From Tim+@21:1/5 to www.GymRatZ.co.uk on Tue Jan 9 15:55:28 2024
    www.GymRatZ.co.uk <noreply@where.cron> wrote:


    If you (we) can get past a lifetime of habitual eating and stop being a
    clock controlled Pavlovs Dog, after 24 hours the hunger subsides. Water
    is genuinely all you need.

    Um, I think that last statement needs some qualification.

    Tim

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  • From www.GymRatZ.co.uk@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 9 18:08:42 2024
    On 09/01/2024 15:55, Tim+ wrote:
    www.GymRatZ.co.uk <noreply@where.cron> wrote:


    If you (we) can get past a lifetime of habitual eating and stop being a
    clock controlled Pavlovs Dog, after 24 hours the hunger subsides. Water
    is genuinely all you need.

    Um, I think that last statement needs some qualification.

    "water is all you need"? certainly for 2 weeks by my own and many
    others' experiences. Obviously beyond that there comes a point when the
    body doesn't have enough excess/stored energy so healthy tissue has to
    be converted to ketones to ensure the brain remains fuelled and
    functioning but natural survival instincts would kick in before that
    point... unless you were making a political protest in prison for a
    cause you were willing to die for of course.

    Cheers
    Pete

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to simon.ferrol@englandmail.com on Tue Jan 9 19:53:40 2024
    In message <unh191$1iism$1@dont-email.me>, Simon Ferrol <simon.ferrol@englandmail.com> writes
    I remember in the 90s, you could go to Boots and you could buy one of
    these machines to develop abdominal muscles. I am reaching a certain
    age and I am gym-phobic. Do these machines work?

    SF

    Do sit-ups every other morning , gradually increasing the number. The
    pain eases after a while. Planks are supposed to be more effective,
    but harder.

    https://www.wikihow.com/Do-Sit-Ups

    You don't need fancy machines,

    Brian

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  • From Harry Bloomfield Esq@21:1/5 to Simon Ferrol on Wed Jan 10 19:12:57 2024
    On 08/01/2024 14:36, Simon Ferrol wrote:
    I remember in the 90s, you could go to Boots and you could buy one of
    these machines to develop abdominal muscles. I am reaching a certain age
    and I am gym-phobic. Do these machines work?

    SF

    TENS?

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  • From Harry Bloomfield Esq@21:1/5 to Sam Plusnet on Thu Jan 11 14:28:08 2024
    On 08/01/2024 19:28, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    https://www.revitive.com

    Just a very, very expensive version of a TENS unit.

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to a@harrym1byt.plus.com on Thu Jan 11 15:26:59 2024
    In message <unottm$2u9rv$1@dont-email.me>, Harry Bloomfield Esq <a@harrym1byt.plus.com> writes
    On 08/01/2024 19:28, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    https://www.revitive.com

    Just a very, very expensive version of a TENS unit.

    I've a TENS foot massager that my wife used. It didn't seem to help
    much.

    Brian
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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 11 15:51:10 2024
    Am 11/01/2024 um 15:26 schrieb brian:


    I've a TENS foot massager that my wife used. It didn't seem to help much.

    Where did you put it in?

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to brian on Thu Jan 11 19:48:58 2024
    On 11/01/2024 15:26, brian wrote:
    In message <unottm$2u9rv$1@dont-email.me>, Harry Bloomfield Esq <a@harrym1byt.plus.com> writes
    On 08/01/2024 19:28, Sam Plusnet wrote:
     https://www.revitive.com

    Just a very, very expensive version of a TENS unit.

    I've a TENS foot massager that my wife used. It didn't seem to help much.


    It tends to be short term pain relief but for it to work well you also
    have to endure some pain from the electric shocks it gives.

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 12 10:08:13 2024
    On 11/01/2024 19:48, alan_m wrote:
    On 11/01/2024 15:26, brian wrote:
    In message <unottm$2u9rv$1@dont-email.me>, Harry Bloomfield Esq
    <a@harrym1byt.plus.com> writes
    On 08/01/2024 19:28, Sam Plusnet wrote:
     https://www.revitive.com

    Just a very, very expensive version of a TENS unit.

    I've a TENS foot massager that my wife used. It didn't seem to help much.


    It tends to be short term pain relief but for it to work well you also
    have to endure some pain from the electric shocks it gives.

    My wife suffers from repeated kidney stones (she has something called,
    IIRC, Randall's Plaques that make her very prone to them). She finds
    that a TENS machine give her a lot of pain relief.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sat Jan 13 12:42:34 2024
    On 13/01/2024 12:35, Brian Gaff wrote:
    In other words, big springs?

    Bullworker

    https://www.bullworker.com/

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