• Further information from BD

    From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Kelly Phillips on Mon May 23 12:37:21 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 23/05/2022 02:51, Kelly Phillips wrote:
    On Sun, 22 May 2022 17:03:15 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    JD has obviously kept a record of which user's of EtreCheck use which,
    if any, AV software.

    How best do YOU think he could be persuaded to tell US how few people,
    in his experience, use ClamXav?

    Buy the company. As its owner, you'd have access to the books. As things stands now, you're just being a busy body. You have absolutely no right
    to the information that you're asking for.

    As far as I am aware, the company is not for sale. Nor does it have
    public shareholders.

    Whilst I may not have a 'right' I don't see why such knowledge should be hidden. Folk may read for themselves the proportion of protection
    provided by other companies, here:- https://i.imgur.com/l15XTH8.png

    I am surprised that 'CleanMyMac' and 'Malwarebytes' have 12.9% and 11.8%
    of the total, whilst specialist companies like 'Sophos', 'Bit Defender'
    and 'Avast' have MUCH smaller proportions.

    I was also rather taken aback by the fact that almost 20% of users had
    more than one AV software installed on their computer. That's been a
    'no-no' since my very early days of computing!

    What proportion of that 'other' section is made up of ClamXav users?
    I suspect that if it was in any way significant it would have qualified
    for a coloured segment of its own.

    What are YOUR views?

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    David

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  • From FromTheRafters@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 23 05:40:44 2022
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    David Brooks laid this down on his screen :
    On 23/05/2022 02:51, Kelly Phillips wrote:
    On Sun, 22 May 2022 17:03:15 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    JD has obviously kept a record of which user's of EtreCheck use which,
    if any, AV software.

    How best do YOU think he could be persuaded to tell US how few people,
    in his experience, use ClamXav?

    Buy the company. As its owner, you'd have access to the books. As things
    stands now, you're just being a busy body. You have absolutely no right
    to the information that you're asking for.

    As far as I am aware, the company is not for sale. Nor does it have public shareholders.

    Whilst I may not have a 'right' I don't see why such knowledge should be hidden. Folk may read for themselves the proportion of protection provided by other companies, here:- https://i.imgur.com/l15XTH8.png

    I am surprised that 'CleanMyMac' and 'Malwarebytes' have 12.9% and 11.8% of the total, whilst specialist companies like 'Sophos', 'Bit Defender' and 'Avast' have MUCH smaller proportions.

    I was also rather taken aback by the fact that almost 20% of users had more than one AV software installed on their computer. That's been a 'no-no' since my very early days of computing!

    Use of the term AV for marketing purposes has muddied the waters. What
    was a 'no-no' was having two resident scanning types of AV or AM
    because they can create a conflict. Most now use encryption to prevent
    each others' data from triggering an alert from the other but too many
    running scanners can still create a conflict problem.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Apd on Mon May 23 15:00:43 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 23/05/2022 13:30, Apd wrote:
    "David Brooks" wrote:
    On 23/05/2022 11:03, Apd wrote:
    "David Brooks" wrote:
    You may like to review the additional posts I have made in the forum:-

    Attachments aren't visible to those not logged in.

    It's a good Forum. May I ask why you are reluctant to register and 'log
    in'?

    I've said before, I don't do forums. I'm not a MacOS user so am even
    less likely to do Mac forums.

    They probably wouldn't have you as a member! ;-)

    Are YOU aware of any 'cleaning' product made by Mark Allan?

    No, and his problem is not to do with that software. He should have
    returned the machine immediately as it was obviously not brand new.
    He should not have bantered around with Apple support trying to fix
    things. What's wrong with him - why has he not taken Singer's advice
    (who had a plan 'B') and returned to the thread to report progress
    and seek further help?

    I'm afraid I cannot answer your questions.

    They were kinda rhetorical.

    I thought they probably were.

    It was quite by chance that I saw that particular thread.

    And saw an opportunity to have a pop at MA's software, I know.

    It's not mentioned here:- https://imgur.com/gallery/l15XTH8

    You are not the only one who doesn't like me to talk about ClamXav!

    https://imgur.com/gallery/SHwUtQe

    I wonder *WHY*!

    --
    David

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to FromTheRafters on Mon May 23 23:52:05 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 23/05/2022 13:40, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks laid this down on his screen :
    On 23/05/2022 02:51, Kelly Phillips wrote:
    On Sun, 22 May 2022 17:03:15 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    JD has obviously kept a record of which user's of EtreCheck use which, >>>> if any, AV software.

    How best do YOU think he could be persuaded to tell US how few people, >>>> in his experience, use ClamXav?

    Buy the company. As its owner, you'd have access to the books. As things >>> stands now, you're just being a busy body. You have absolutely no right
    to the information that you're asking for.

    As far as I am aware, the company is not for sale. Nor does it have
    public shareholders.

    Whilst I may not have a 'right' I don't see why such knowledge should be
    hidden. Folk may read for themselves the proportion of protection
    provided by other companies, here:- https://i.imgur.com/l15XTH8.png

    I am surprised that 'CleanMyMac' and 'Malwarebytes' have 12.9% and
    11.8% of the total, whilst specialist companies like 'Sophos', 'Bit
    Defender' and 'Avast' have MUCH smaller proportions.

    I was also rather taken aback by the fact that almost 20% of users had
    more than one AV software installed on their computer. That's been a
    'no-no' since my very early days of computing!

    Use of the term AV for marketing purposes has muddied the waters. What
    was a 'no-no' was having two resident scanning types of AV or AM because
    they can create a conflict. Most now use encryption to prevent each
    others' data from triggering an alert from the other but too many
    running scanners can still create a conflict problem.


    Thank you for clarifying, FTR.

    Have you decided whether or not to install AV on your new MacBook Pro?

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  • From Kelly Phillips@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 23 23:12:20 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On Mon, 23 May 2022 12:37:21 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 23/05/2022 02:51, Kelly Phillips wrote:
    On Sun, 22 May 2022 17:03:15 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    JD has obviously kept a record of which user's of EtreCheck use which,
    if any, AV software.

    How best do YOU think he could be persuaded to tell US how few people,
    in his experience, use ClamXav?

    Buy the company. As its owner, you'd have access to the books. As things
    stands now, you're just being a busy body. You have absolutely no right
    to the information that you're asking for.

    As far as I am aware, the company is not for sale. Nor does it have
    public shareholders.

    So you're out of luck, or what?

    Whilst I may not have a 'right'

    Change 'may not' to 'do not'.

    I don't see why such knowledge should be hidden.

    I don't think anyone cares, at this point, what you see or don't see. If
    you truly don't understand why you don't have internal access to any
    company's records, that says more about you than it does anyone else.
    *I* see why you don't have access. Am I just smarter than you? I suppose
    I am, but that's a low bar.

    I was also rather taken aback by the fact that almost 20% of users had
    more than one AV software installed on their computer. That's been a
    'no-no' since my very early days of computing!

    I agree with what FTR said on this point. It looks like you've been misunderstanding for a very long time.

    What are YOUR views?

    I think I've been pretty clear over the past few years.

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  • From FromTheRafters@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 24 01:24:18 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    David Brooks presented the following explanation :
    On 23/05/2022 13:40, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks laid this down on his screen :
    On 23/05/2022 02:51, Kelly Phillips wrote:
    On Sun, 22 May 2022 17:03:15 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    JD has obviously kept a record of which user's of EtreCheck use which, >>>>> if any, AV software.

    How best do YOU think he could be persuaded to tell US how few people, >>>>> in his experience, use ClamXav?

    Buy the company. As its owner, you'd have access to the books. As things >>>> stands now, you're just being a busy body. You have absolutely no right >>>> to the information that you're asking for.

    As far as I am aware, the company is not for sale. Nor does it have public >>> shareholders.

    Whilst I may not have a 'right' I don't see why such knowledge should be >>> hidden. Folk may read for themselves the proportion of protection provided >>> by other companies, here:- https://i.imgur.com/l15XTH8.png

    I am surprised that 'CleanMyMac' and 'Malwarebytes' have 12.9% and 11.8% >>> of the total, whilst specialist companies like 'Sophos', 'Bit Defender'
    and 'Avast' have MUCH smaller proportions.

    I was also rather taken aback by the fact that almost 20% of users had
    more than one AV software installed on their computer. That's been a
    'no-no' since my very early days of computing!

    Use of the term AV for marketing purposes has muddied the waters. What was >> a 'no-no' was having two resident scanning types of AV or AM because they
    can create a conflict. Most now use encryption to prevent each others' data >> from triggering an alert from the other but too many running scanners can
    still create a conflict problem.


    Thank you for clarifying, FTR.

    Have you decided whether or not to install AV on your new MacBook Pro?

    I don't intend to install anything on it. I was going to install
    something for my 'telehealth' option but haven't really decided yet. I
    live only ten minutes from the hospital.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to FromTheRafters on Tue May 24 15:04:05 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 24/05/2022 09:24, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks presented the following explanation :
    On 23/05/2022 13:40, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks laid this down on his screen :
    On 23/05/2022 02:51, Kelly Phillips wrote:
    On Sun, 22 May 2022 17:03:15 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    JD has obviously kept a record of which user's of EtreCheck use
    which,
    if any, AV software.

    How best do YOU think he could be persuaded to tell US how few
    people,
    in his experience, use ClamXav?

    Buy the company. As its owner, you'd have access to the books. As
    things
    stands now, you're just being a busy body. You have absolutely no
    right
    to the information that you're asking for.

    As far as I am aware, the company is not for sale. Nor does it have
    public shareholders.

    Whilst I may not have a 'right' I don't see why such knowledge
    should be
    hidden. Folk may read for themselves the proportion of protection
    provided by other companies, here:- https://i.imgur.com/l15XTH8.png

    I am surprised that 'CleanMyMac' and 'Malwarebytes' have 12.9% and
    11.8% of the total, whilst specialist companies like 'Sophos', 'Bit
    Defender' and 'Avast' have MUCH smaller proportions.

    I was also rather taken aback by the fact that almost 20% of users
    had more than one AV software installed on their computer. That's
    been a 'no-no' since my very early days of computing!

    Use of the term AV for marketing purposes has muddied the waters.
    What was a 'no-no' was having two resident scanning types of AV or AM
    because they can create a conflict. Most now use encryption to
    prevent each others' data from triggering an alert from the other but
    too many running scanners can still create a conflict problem.


    Thank you for clarifying, FTR.

    Have you decided whether or not to install AV on your new MacBook Pro?

    I don't intend to install anything on it.

    That's probably a good decision.

    I was going to install
    something for my 'telehealth' option but haven't really decided yet.

    Have you checked out what's available from the Apple App store?

    I live only ten minutes from the hospital.

    That's handy! :-D

    I spent many hours in our major hospital with my wife yesterday.
    It's a good 30 minutes drive from us on a good day. We got home at
    around 1030 pm after all manner of tests.

    This appears to be the problem:- https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/atrial-fibrillation/symptoms-causes/syc-20350624

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