On 15 May 2024 at 16:54:48 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh" ><jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
On 15 May 2024 at 10:03:15 BST, "L" <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
Yay! Good work. Shall check it out forthwith.
Cheers - Jaimie
Lazily I went to check it out on the Mac since it was within reach.
Installs and fires up fine, looks okay (though the text pane doesn't
stretch to match the panel, classic iThing-on-Mac thing :) ).
Onboarding was a little unclear for me: I started off by adding my own >newsserver, so was mildly surprised to be asked to create a newsy
account to post. Perhaps an explicatory text just there on that ‘create
an account’ page?
Might suggest the "When Reply" would better default to Show Quotes: Yes,
and Top. For the proper old-school style.
I've had to come back to Usenapp to post this, since there was no 'send' >button on the screen on Newsy's edit panel; the only button in view is
an (x) to cancel: https://imgur.com/sjqkVXG
I'll have a go on the phone later!
Cheers - Jaimie
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"Meanwhile, guinea pigs are displaying the survival
instincts of lemmings ... quite astonishingly, 2.86 per
cent of the little blighters have been damaged by a
karaoke machine."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/17/pet_wii_problem/
On 15.05.24 11:54, Theo wrote:
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
For the record I suggested L post this here, I can vouch that it's not spam >> :-)
It would have been also on topic in misc.phone.mobile.iphone and >misc.phone.mobile.ipad
(although I've not tried the app myself)
Theo
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L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
For the record I suggested L post this here, I can vouch that it's not spam >:-)
(although I've not tried the app myself)
Theo
Andy H <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
Not too happy about having to pay a monthly subscription fee, especially as >>> I’m reasonably happy with NewsTap which I bought with a one-off payment. >>> However newsygroup looks promising and I’ll certainly check it out in the >>> next week or so. If it can be *tested* to perform better on Silicon Macs then
all the better :-)
*tweaked* (damned auto correction!)
Yeah, that was my initial reaction too. I also use NewsTap (and Thunderbird >> on MacOS). For the use I now get out of Newsgroups, another subscription
fee is hard to justify. We’re being battered too much with subscriptions >> now, IMHO. It can also be frustrating if software is broken by IAP
limitations, so just be wary there not to alienate potential users in an
ever diminishing marketplace.
I guess it’s a way of providing a steady income for developers rather than >relying on sometimes sporadic one-off purchases?
I was also a bit put off by your wording regarding not needing to use a
tree view anymore. I happen to like the tree view, and find it’s still one >> of the easiest ways to visualise a discussion thread. It’s actually one of >> the key reasons I paid for NewsTap.
Yes +1 on tree views.
As much as I appreciate any developer putting effort into niche software
markets. I’d maybe suggest that some things aren’t broken, and don’t >> necessarily need fixing :-).
However, I’ll certainly keep an eye on this app, and always be willing to >> consider it. It needs to be better than something I already own though.
Thank, and keep going.
Indeed.
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Cheers, Alan
On 16 May 2024 at 07:22:37 BST, Alan B wrote:
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
Newsygroup let you read and post to any newsgroup right on your iPhone
and iPad. It is a text-based newsgroup reader and can connect to any
usenet servers. (Supports authentication and SSL)
You may check it out on AppStore:
https://apps.apple.com/app/newsygroup/id6480019265
Or follow me on X
https://x.com/newsygroup
Just feel free to let me know if you have any comments or suggestions! Thanks!
Not too happy about having to pay a monthly subscription fee, especially as >> I’m reasonably happy with NewsTap which I bought with a one-off payment.
Me too - and I don't like the subs model at all. Much rather pay once.
BTW, how can you tell it's a subscription? I can see in-app purchases on Apple >Store, but not any detail about what those might be.
However newsygroup looks promising and I’ll certainly check it out in the >> next week or so. If it can be tested to perform better on Silicon Macs then >> all the better :-)
Screenshots intriguing - quite like the way links in posts produce an image. >At least I think I like it . . .
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Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
BTW, how can you tell it's a subscription? I can see in-app purchases on Apple
Store, but not any detail about what those might be.
I clicked on “In-App Purchases” and it revealed:
Newsy Plus Subscription (1 month) £0.99
Perhaps Arnold can clarify please?
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Cheers, Alan
On 16. May 2024 at 08:22:37 CEST, "Alan B" ><alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Not too happy about having to pay a monthly subscription fee
Subscription? I´m out!
I can understand why developers love subscriptions but I much prefer to pay >for updates when (and only when) I want/need them.
If Andre sometime in the future has to do a paid update of Usenapp I´m
happy to pay for it but the moment an app forces me to subscribe, I´m >ditching it.
Only thing I pay subscriptions for is news (arstechnica / guardian).
(Just my humble opinion, obviously)
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:Currently it’s not possible to offer ‘upgrade’ the app via AppStore. Once you ‘buy’ it, you can receive all subsequent updates if the developer do not release a new version as a separate app.
I don’t want to create a new app called Newsygroup 2, Newsygroup 3,
Newsygroup 4 on App Store to force user buy it again for just some little
updates. Like I mentioned above, subscription model is more sustainable
for individual developer like me.
Sounds like it's down to a flaw of the App Store - you can't offer upgrade >pricing. So you either go for the above approach where you launch what's >effectively a different app and ask people to pay full price again, or you >have subscriptions.
I'm sure if it was possible to offer an upgrade from version N to N+1 for
50% off the new price, it would be a way to support perpetual licensing with >a revenue stream for upgrades, but Apple Say No, so we can't have nice >things.
(except perhaps in the EU, where third party stores must be allowed)
Theo
On 16 May 2024 at 21:19:21 BST, "Andy H" <thewildrover@icloud.com>It’s sound really complicated and very confusing to the users
wrote:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
I don’t want to create a new app called Newsygroup 2, Newsygroup 3,
Newsygroup 4 on App Store to force user buy it again for just some little >>>> updates. Like I mentioned above, subscription model is more sustainable >>>> for individual developer like me.
Sounds like it's down to a flaw of the App Store - you can't offer upgrade >>> pricing. So you either go for the above approach where you launch what's >>> effectively a different app and ask people to pay full price again, or you >>> have subscriptions.
I'm sure if it was possible to offer an upgrade from version N to N+1 for >>> 50% off the new price, it would be a way to support perpetual licensing with
a revenue stream for upgrades, but Apple Say No, so we can't have nice
things.
(except perhaps in the EU, where third party stores must be allowed)
There must be a way.
You can make a bundle of New App and Old App, and apple will skip the
fee for the Old App if you already own it. It's not easy to show to
potential users though, and right now there's a dumb bug where 2x Old
App price gets subtracted which means the dev often will get nothing at
all.
Cheers - Jaimie
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and high cost.
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L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:I got your point.
Alan B wrote:
[..]
I was also a bit put off by your wording regarding not needing to use a >>>> tree view anymore. I happen to like the tree view, and find it’s still one
of the easiest ways to visualise a discussion thread. It’s actually one of
the key reasons I paid for NewsTap.
Yes +1 on tree views.
As much as I appreciate any developer putting effort into niche software >>>> markets. I’d maybe suggest that some things aren’t broken, and don’t >>>> necessarily need fixing :-).
However, I’ll certainly keep an eye on this app, and always be willing to
consider it. It needs to be better than something I already own though. >>>>
Thank, and keep going.
Indeed.
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Cheers, Alan
I used to use one off paying model for the app. However I found it’s not >> quite sustainable. This app was released over 10 years ago (for some
reasons I limited to HK AppStore though), one-off payment couldn’t quite >> support long term enhancements and developments for many years.
Understood, but it’s unlikely I’ll sign up to it at that point, certainly >not without the tree type thread view, which we already have with NewsTap.
I like tree view too!
Although Newsygroup show replies like social media app, it actually
maintain tree view by using the little arrow (
https://postimg.cc/DSpKCYcJ ). You may see who’s replying who by look at >> those arrow. In case if you really like traditional reader style,
Newsygroup also has ‘Classic mode’. ( https://postimg.cc/TL6Gm59C )
I think you’re missing what we mean by tree view. Have a look at NewsTap, >Hogwasher, or if you can MacSOUP. That’s the tree view I mean.
As for the modern discussion views that seem popular now, I really really >dislike them. For one, they often end up going backwards (i.e. replies at
the top), and nobody bothers about the traditional usenet etiquette either, >which is often assisted by poor thread displays.
The other is just a hierarchical titles view, which is OK, but not as clear >as the proper tree views the others provide.
Just one more thing, you need to sort out the line wrap length. See the
quote marks above, yours has a single one for your entire paragraph,
normally it should wrap before 80 characters (I believe 76 is normal for >usenet standards).
Cheers.
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Andy H
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
Newsygroup let you read and post to any newsgroup right on your iPhone and iPad. It is a text-based newsgroup reader and can connect to any usenet servers. (Supports authentication and SSL)
You may check it out on AppStore: >https://apps.apple.com/app/newsygroup/id6480019265
Or follow me on X
https://x.com/newsygroup
Just feel free to let me know if you have any comments or suggestions! Thanks!
--
Sent by Newsygroup
Newsgroup reader for iPhone >https://apps.apple.com/app/newsygroup/id6480019265
Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 15 May 2024 at 16:54:48 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh" >><jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
On 15 May 2024 at 10:03:15 BST, "L" <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
Yay! Good work. Shall check it out forthwith.
Cheers - Jaimie
Lazily I went to check it out on the Mac since it was within reach. >>Installs and fires up fine, looks okay (though the text pane doesn't >>stretch to match the panel, classic iThing-on-Mac thing :) ).
Onboarding was a little unclear for me: I started off by adding my own >>newsserver, so was mildly surprised to be asked to create a newsy
account to post. Perhaps an explicatory text just there on that ‘create >>an account’ page?
Might suggest the "When Reply" would better default to Show Quotes: Yes, >>and Top. For the proper old-school style.
I've had to come back to Usenapp to post this, since there was no 'send' >>button on the screen on Newsy's edit panel; the only button in view is
an (x) to cancel: https://imgur.com/sjqkVXG
I'll have a go on the phone later!
Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Meanwhile, guinea pigs are displaying the survival
instincts of lemmings ... quite astonishingly, 2.86 per
cent of the little blighters have been damaged by a
karaoke machine."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/17/pet_wii_problem/
Yea, you’re right.
I built this app before Catalyst API available. So it could be a bit weird when you using it on Mac.
However, the ‘send’ button should located at bottom right, depending whether there’s any virtual keyboard. (In Mac case, it should be located at the bottom edge of the window. I’m on Sonoma 14.4.1, it looks fine: https://postimg.cc/q6fRWKbV).
The ‘Top’ means your reply on top of quoted message. Probably I need to make it more clear in description.
And definitely I can make “Show quotes” on by default.
Really appreciate your comments.
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Newsgroup reader for iPhone >https://apps.apple.com/app/newsygroup/id6480019265
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