I attended yet another funeral yesterday - an old chum from navy days.
He'd had a good run - he was actually 93!
On 11/02/2023 16:52, David Brooks wrote:
I attended yet another funeral yesterday - an old chum from navy days.
He'd had a good run - he was actually 93!
What might be the sinificance of this video clip?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sz81n3dz7gcclsk/CCA%20room%2C%20HMS%20Ark%20Royal%2C%201973.mp4?dl=0
Heaven and earth, we are all port of the
"spiritual union of the members of the
Christian Church", the living and those
in heaven. We are in "communion with the
saints". We are all part of the spiritual
Body of Christ.
Heaven and earth, we are all port of the
"spiritual union of the members of the
Christian Church", the living and those
in heaven. We are in "communion with the
saints". We are all part of the spiritual
Body of Christ.
You really believe that's literally true, in this day and age? Is
that what some pastor told you to think? It's silliness, this is
2023, for fuck's sake, God is involved to be sure, but it ain't some
religion shit now, we're in the end times.
Hi Joel,
Yes I do.
Your outlook will change the first time a saint prays
for you. You feel like your have a blanket of love
wrapping you. It becomes extremely obvious what
is going on. You realize this is one YUGE loving
family and no one has forgotten about you.
And no, I do not believe in God because of what
someone told me to think or some rational argument
given me. I believe in God because of the holy
spirit convicting me.
I have a personal relationship with both my creator
and one of his saints, who sought me out. (He
drove me a bit nuts trying to figure out who
he was.)
And this is not limited to certain chosen people.
We are all loved equally by God. You can have
a personal relationship with Jesus (God of the
Burning Bush) as well. But you have to sincerely
seek him. He does not take well to being tested.
And only God knows the heart, so you can't pull
one over on him. "If you exists, make me a pastrami
sandwich" does not work.
If you sincerely look for him, you will find him.
He is well aware of you and loves you.
Keep in mind that folks who choose evil do so
as it removes barriers in their life.
As far as the end of times goes (day 8), Jesus said
even he did not know when that would be -- only
the father. If I were to take a wild guess, we
humans will be spread all across the galaxy
before that happens. But you can have a
personal relationship with god right now.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Heaven and earth, we are all port of the
"spiritual union of the members of the
Christian Church", the living and those
in heaven. We are in "communion with the
saints". We are all part of the spiritual
Body of Christ.
You really believe that's literally true, in this day and age? Is
that what some pastor told you to think? It's silliness, this is
2023, for fuck's sake, God is involved to be sure, but it ain't some
religion shit now, we're in the end times.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Heaven and earth, we are all port of the
"spiritual union of the members of the
Christian Church", the living and those
in heaven. We are in "communion with the
saints". We are all part of the spiritual
Body of Christ.
You really believe that's literally true, in this day and age? Is
that what some pastor told you to think? It's silliness, this is
2023, for fuck's sake, God is involved to be sure, but it ain't some
religion shit now, we're in the end times.
Hi Joel,
Yes I do.
Your outlook will change the first time a saint prays
for you. You feel like your have a blanket of love
wrapping you. It becomes extremely obvious what
is going on. You realize this is one YUGE loving
family and no one has forgotten about you.
And no, I do not believe in God because of what
someone told me to think or some rational argument
given me. I believe in God because of the holy
spirit convicting me.
I have a personal relationship with both my creator
and one of his saints, who sought me out. (He
drove me a bit nuts trying to figure out who
he was.)
And this is not limited to certain chosen people.
We are all loved equally by God. You can have
a personal relationship with Jesus (God of the
Burning Bush) as well. But you have to sincerely
seek him. He does not take well to being tested.
And only God knows the heart, so you can't pull
one over on him. "If you exists, make me a pastrami
sandwich" does not work.
If you sincerely look for him, you will find him.
He is well aware of you and loves you.
Keep in mind that folks who choose evil do so
as it removes barriers in their life.
As far as the end of times goes (day 8), Jesus said
even he did not know when that would be -- only
the father. If I were to take a wild guess, we
humans will be spread all across the galaxy
before that happens. But you can have a
personal relationship with god right now.
Spoiler alert: I am the "son of man" Jesus said would come, myself.
Religion is obsolete. I'm here to take control of the world's
government, on God's behalf.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
As far as the end of times goes (day 8), Jesus said
even he did not know when that would be -- only
the father. If I were to take a wild guess, we
humans will be spread all across the galaxy
before that happens. But you can have a
personal relationship with god right now.
Spoiler alert: I am the "son of man" Jesus said would come, myself.
Religion is obsolete. I'm here to take control of the world's
government, on God's behalf.
Am 13.02.23 um 04:03 schrieb Joel:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
As far as the end of times goes (day 8), Jesus said
even he did not know when that would be -- only
the father. If I were to take a wild guess, we
humans will be spread all across the galaxy
before that happens. But you can have a
personal relationship with god right now.
Spoiler alert: I am the "son of man" Jesus said would come, myself.
Religion is obsolete. I'm here to take control of the world's
government, on God's behalf.
The Roman empire convicted and executed a terrorist.
There is no such thing as "God". This fiction is used to suppress the
free will of the people.
On 2/11/23 08:52, David Brooks wrote:
I attended yet another funeral yesterday - an old chum from navy days.
He'd had a good run - he was actually 93! Here's a poem which one of his
five daughters recited:-
I’m There Inside Your Heart (Anonymous)
Right now I’m in a different place
And though we seem far apart
I’m closer than I ever was…
I’m there inside your heart.
I’m with you when you greet each day
And when the sun shines bright.
I’m there to share the sunsets, too…
I’m with you every night.
I’m with you when the times are good,
To share a laugh or two,
And if a tear should start to fall…
I’ll still be there for you.
And when the day arrives
That we no longer are apart.
I’ll smile and hold you close to me…
Forever in my heart.
🥰
Hi David,
Heaven and earth, we are all port of the
"spiritual union of the members of the
Christian Church", the living and those
in heaven. We are in "communion with the
saints". We are all part of the spiritual
Body of Christ.
Am 13.02.23 um 08:00 schrieb T:
You can't win this one.
Really! Us religious folks come with built in
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself,
You really need professional help.
You can't win this one.
Really! Us religious folks come with built in
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself,
On 2/12/23 23:20, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 13.02.23 um 08:00 schrieb T:
You can't win this one.
Really! Us religious folks come with built in
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself,
You really need professional help.
You can't win this one.
On 2/11/23 08:52, David Brooks wrote:
I attended yet another funeral yesterday - an old chum from navy days.
He'd had a good run - he was actually 93! Here's a poem which one of
his five daughters recited:-
I’m There Inside Your Heart (Anonymous)
Right now I’m in a different place
And though we seem far apart
I’m closer than I ever was…
I’m there inside your heart.
I’m with you when you greet each day
And when the sun shines bright.
I’m there to share the sunsets, too…
I’m with you every night.
I’m with you when the times are good,
To share a laugh or two,
And if a tear should start to fall…
I’ll still be there for you.
And when the day arrives
That we no longer are apart.
I’ll smile and hold you close to me…
Forever in my heart.
🥰
Hi David,
Heaven and earth, we are all port of the
"spiritual union of the members of the
Christian Church", the living and those
in heaven. We are in "communion with the
saints". We are all part of the spiritual
Body of Christ.
So every so often in your prayers, ask the
Holy Spirit to tell your friend you are
thinking of him. And say an occasional
prayer for him. He is only temporarily
gone from this world. Love never ends.
Yours in Christ,
-T
p.s. do not do anything remotely that
seems like you are worshiping someone
in heaven as a deity, or your protestant
friends will get really cross with you.
It is easy for them to misunderstand.
Am 13.02.23 um 08:43 schrieb T:
On 2/12/23 23:20, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 13.02.23 um 08:00 schrieb T:
You can't win this one.
Really! Us religious folks come with built in
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself,
You really need professional help.
You can't win this one.
I can and I already did.
People who post with such an identity are cowardly:
T <T@invalid.invalid>
On 2/12/23 22:51, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 13.02.23 um 02:52 schrieb T:
On 2/11/23 08:52, David Brooks wrote:
I attended yet another funeral yesterday - an old chum from navy
days. He'd had a good run - he was actually 93! Here's a poem
which one of his five daughters recited:-
I’m There Inside Your Heart (Anonymous)
Right now I’m in a different place And though we seem far apart
I’m closer than I ever was… I’m there inside your heart.
I’m with you when you greet each day And when the sun shines
bright. I’m there to share the sunsets, too… I’m with you every
night.
I’m with you when the times are good, To share a laugh or two,
And if a tear should start to fall… I’ll still be there for you.
And when the day arrives That we no longer are apart. I’ll smile
and hold you close to me… Forever in my heart.
🥰
Hi David,
Heaven and earth, we are all port of the "spiritual union of the
members of the Christian Church", the living and those in heaven.
We are in "communion with the saints". We are all part of the
spiritual Body of Christ.
You need professional help. Both of you. Religion is as bad as
communism.
You can't win this one.
Really! Us religious folks come with built in
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself, you benefit
greatly from having us around, both from the
above mentioned restrictions and from our
charitable works.
You should be very, very thankful to have us around.
You should be very, very thankful to have us around.Utter bullshit. Religion has caused far more harm during human history than any other single thing.
Really! Us religious folks come with built in
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself, you benefit
greatly from having us around, both from the
above mentioned restrictions and from our
charitable works.
Only if you're a white, western conformist.
Try telling all the abused children and women at the hands of the church.
Or any other "minority" in terms of race, beliefs or sexual orientation.
You are perfectly welcome to have your own faith, but please don't think you're doing anyone a favour. The church is self-serving, abusive, manipulating artifact of history. It would be an illegal organisation if
they attempted to establish it today.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/12/23 22:51, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 13.02.23 um 02:52 schrieb T:
On 2/11/23 08:52, David Brooks wrote:
I attended yet another funeral yesterday - an old chum from navy
days. He'd had a good run - he was actually 93! Here's a poem
which one of his five daughters recited:-
I’m There Inside Your Heart (Anonymous)
Right now I’m in a different place And though we seem far apart
I’m closer than I ever was… I’m there inside your heart.
I’m with you when you greet each day And when the sun shines
bright. I’m there to share the sunsets, too… I’m with you every >>>>> night.
I’m with you when the times are good, To share a laugh or two,
And if a tear should start to fall… I’ll still be there for you. >>>>>
And when the day arrives That we no longer are apart. I’ll smile
and hold you close to me… Forever in my heart.
🥰
Hi David,
Heaven and earth, we are all port of the "spiritual union of the
members of the Christian Church", the living and those in heaven.
We are in "communion with the saints". We are all part of the
spiritual Body of Christ.
You need professional help. Both of you. Religion is as bad as
communism.
You can't win this one.
Really! Us religious folks come with built in
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself, you benefit
greatly from having us around, both from the
above mentioned restrictions and from our
charitable works.
Only if you're a white, western conformist.
Try telling all the abused children and women at the hands of the church.
Or any other "minority" in terms of race, beliefs or sexual orientation.
You are perfectly welcome to have your own faith, but please don't think you're doing anyone a favour. The church is self-serving, abusive, manipulating artifact of history. It would be an illegal organisation if
they attempted to establish it today.
You should be very, very thankful to have us around.
Utter bullshit. Religion has caused far more harm during human history than any other single thing.
Right you are and it still does.
The worst being the still existing protection by the governments.
Am 13.02.23 um 02:52 schrieb T:
On 2/11/23 08:52, David Brooks wrote:
I attended yet another funeral yesterday - an old chum from navy days. He'd had a good run - he was actually 93! Here's a poem which one of his five daughters recited:-
I’m There Inside Your Heart (Anonymous)
Right now I’m in a different place
And though we seem far apart
I’m closer than I ever was…
I’m there inside your heart.
I’m with you when you greet each day
And when the sun shines bright.
I’m there to share the sunsets, too…
I’m with you every night.
I’m with you when the times are good,
To share a laugh or two,
And if a tear should start to fall…
I’ll still be there for you.
And when the day arrives
That we no longer are apart.
I’ll smile and hold you close to me…
Forever in my heart.
🥰
Hi David,
Heaven and earth, we are all port of the
"spiritual union of the members of the
Christian Church", the living and those
in heaven. We are in "communion with the
saints". We are all part of the spiritual
Body of Christ.
You need professional help.
Both of you. Religion is as bad as communism.
On 2/12/23 22:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 13.02.23 um 04:03 schrieb Joel:
T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
As far as the end of times goes (day 8), Jesus said
even he did not know when that would be -- only
the father. If I were to take a wild guess, we
humans will be spread all across the galaxy
before that happens. But you can have a
personal relationship with god right now.
Spoiler alert: I am the "son of man" Jesus said would come, myself.
Religion is obsolete. I'm here to take control of the world's
government, on God's behalf.
The Roman empire convicted and executed a terrorist.
There is no such thing as "God". This fiction is used to suppress the
free will of the people.
Gee Wiz Joel,
That is not what Jesus was executed for.
Would you like to actually know?
-T
Am 13.02.23 um 04:03 schrieb Joel:
T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
As far as the end of times goes (day 8), Jesus said
even he did not know when that would be -- only
the father. If I were to take a wild guess, we
humans will be spread all across the galaxy
before that happens. But you can have a
personal relationship with god right now.
Spoiler alert: I am the "son of man" Jesus said would come, myself. Religion is obsolete. I'm here to take control of the world'sThe Roman empire convicted and executed a terrorist.
government, on God's behalf.
There is no such thing as "God". This fiction is used to suppress the
free will of the people.
--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)
On 2/12/23 22:51, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 13.02.23 um 02:52 schrieb T:
On 2/11/23 08:52, David Brooks wrote:
I attended yet another funeral yesterday - an old chum from navy
days. He'd had a good run - he was actually 93! Here's a poem
which one of his five daughters recited:-
I’m There Inside Your Heart (Anonymous)
Right now I’m in a different place And though we seem far apart
I’m closer than I ever was… I’m there inside your heart.
I’m with you when you greet each day And when the sun shines
bright. I’m there to share the sunsets, too… I’m with you every >>> night.
I’m with you when the times are good, To share a laugh or two,
And if a tear should start to fall… I’ll still be there for you.
And when the day arrives That we no longer are apart. I’ll smile
and hold you close to me… Forever in my heart.
🥰
Hi David,
Heaven and earth, we are all port of the "spiritual union of the
members of the Christian Church", the living and those in heaven.
We are in "communion with the saints". We are all part of the
spiritual Body of Christ.
You need professional help. Both of you. Religion is as bad as
communism.
You can't win this one.
Really! Us religious folks come with built in
restriction on our behavior.
Even if you
do not believe in God yourself, you benefit
greatly from having us around, both from the
above mentioned restrictions and from our
charitable works.
You should be very, very thankful to have us around.
On 2/13/23 01:39, Chris wrote:
You should be very, very thankful to have us around.Utter bullshit. Religion has caused far more harm during human history than any other single thing.
Uh Chris,
Left wing government (Nazis,
Soviets, etc.)
have robbed humanity of over 200 million souls
in the last century alone.
Not in the wildest fantasies of the most
misbehaving religious individuals could
they ever scratch the surface of the
woke political philosophy you belong to.
And not to mention the hundreds of thousands
of helpless children that have lost their
lives to the your abortionists knives.
So you think what you just said is true, then
prove it. Where are the hundreds of millions
of murdered victims by misbehaving
religious individuals.
You are repeating leis and hatred.
Am 13.02.23 um 04:03 schrieb Joel:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
As far as the end of times goes (day 8), Jesus said
even he did not know when that would be -- only
the father. If I were to take a wild guess, we
humans will be spread all across the galaxy
before that happens. But you can have a
personal relationship with god right now.
Spoiler alert: I am the "son of man" Jesus said would come, myself.
Religion is obsolete. I'm here to take control of the world's
government, on God's behalf.
The Roman empire convicted and executed a terrorist.
There is no such thing as "God". This fiction is used to suppress the
free will of the people.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/12/23 22:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
The Roman empire convicted and executed a terrorist.
There is no such thing as "God". This fiction is used to suppress the free will of the people.
Gee Wiz Joel,
That is not what Jesus was executed for.
Would you like to actually know?
As you can see, you addressed the wrong name, there.
On 2/12/23 22:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
The Roman empire convicted and executed a terrorist.
There is no such thing as "God". This fiction is used to suppress the
free will of the people.
Gee Wiz Joel,
That is not what Jesus was executed for.
Would you like to actually know?
On 2/13/23 01:39, Chris wrote:
Really! Us religious folks come with built in
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself, you benefit
greatly from having us around, both from the
above mentioned restrictions and from our
charitable works.
Only if you're a white, western conformist.You are making things up. Race has nothing to do
with it.
Try telling all the abused children and women at the hands of the church.Those that do belong turned over to the secular
authorities. This kind of criminal behavior
something that happens in any organization,
not just religious. This is a law enforcement issue.
Or any other "minority" in terms of race, beliefs or sexual orientation.Show where Christians are persecuting these people.
Being disappointed in one's behavior is not persecution.
And what is this race think. We believe God created
us all equal in his own image and likeness. Maybe
not you. Okay, you too.
You are perfectly welcome to have your own faith, but please don't think you're doing anyone a favour. The church is self-serving, abusive, manipulating artifact of history. It would be an illegal organisation if they attempted to establish it today.My church has been around for 2000 years. We wrote
the bible.
We took down two of the most abusive
tyrannies in human history (Rome and the Soviet empires).
And guess
what, we were illegal when God founded us
by the laying on of hands. The Romans and Soviets
tried, but failed.
And yes, we are doing you a lot of favors since you
the don't have to live under tyranny because we come
with built in brakes on our behavior that you do not.
On 13/02/2023 01:52, T wrote:
On 2/11/23 08:52, David Brooks wrote:
I attended yet another funeral yesterday - an old chum from navy days. He'd had a good run - he was actually 93! Here's a poem which one of
his five daughters recited:-
I’m There Inside Your Heart (Anonymous)
Right now I’m in a different place
And though we seem far apart
I’m closer than I ever was…
I’m there inside your heart.
I’m with you when you greet each day
And when the sun shines bright.
I’m there to share the sunsets, too…
I’m with you every night.
I’m with you when the times are good,
To share a laugh or two,
And if a tear should start to fall…
I’ll still be there for you.
And when the day arrives
That we no longer are apart.
I’ll smile and hold you close to me…
Forever in my heart.
🥰
Hi David,
Heaven and earth, we are all port of the
"spiritual union of the members of the
Christian Church", the living and those
in heaven. We are in "communion with the
saints". We are all part of the spiritual
Body of Christ.
So every so often in your prayers, ask the
Holy Spirit to tell your friend you are
thinking of him. And say an occasional
prayer for him. He is only temporarily
gone from this world. Love never ends.
Yours in Christ,
-T
p.s. do not do anything remotely that
seems like you are worshiping someone
in heaven as a deity, or your protestant
friends will get really cross with you.
It is easy for them to misunderstand.
How wonderful it is for you to bring warmth and understanding to these
Usenet groups, 'T'. ❤️
Quite by chance (? -there's no such thing!) I've watched here this morning:- https://www.scientology.tv/series/l-ron-hubbard-library-presents/a-description
-of-scientology-trailer.html
I will watch more later. 🙂
On 2/12/23 22:51, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 13.02.23 um 02:52 schrieb T:
On 2/11/23 08:52, David Brooks wrote:
I attended yet another funeral yesterday - an old chum from navy
days. He'd had a good run - he was actually 93! Here's a poem
which one of his five daughters recited:-
I’m There Inside Your Heart (Anonymous)
Right now I’m in a different place And though we seem far apart
I’m closer than I ever was… I’m there inside your heart.
I’m with you when you greet each day And when the sun shines
bright. I’m there to share the sunsets, too… I’m with you every
night.
I’m with you when the times are good, To share a laugh or two,
And if a tear should start to fall… I’ll still be there for you.
And when the day arrives That we no longer are apart. I’ll smile
and hold you close to me… Forever in my heart.
🥰
Hi David,
Heaven and earth, we are all port of the "spiritual union of the
members of the Christian Church", the living and those in heaven.
We are in "communion with the saints". We are all part of the
spiritual Body of Christ.
You need professional help. Both of you. Religion is as bad as
communism.
You can't win this one.
Really! Us religious folks come with built in
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself, you benefit
greatly from having us around, both from the
above mentioned restrictions and from our
charitable works.
"We have no government armed with power capable
of contending with human passions unbridled by
morality and religion . . . Our Constitution
was made only for a moral and religious people.
It is wholly inadequate to the government of
any other."
--John Adams is a signer of the Declaration of
Independence, the Bill of Rights and our
second President.
"[T]he only foundation for a useful education in
a republic is to be aid in religion. Without
this there can be no virtue, and without virtue
there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object
and life of all republican governments. Without
religion, I believe that learning does real
mischief to the morals and principles of mankind."
-- Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration
of Independence
You should be very, very thankful to have us around.
On 2/13/23 01:39, Chris wrote:
You should be very, very thankful to have us around.Utter bullshit. Religion has caused far more harm during human history than >> any other single thing.
Uh Chris,
Left wing government (Nazis, Soviets, etc.)
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/12/23 22:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
The Roman empire convicted and executed a terrorist.
There is no such thing as "God". This fiction is used to suppress the
free will of the people.
Gee Wiz Joel,
That is not what Jesus was executed for.
Would you like to actually know?
As you can see, you addressed the wrong name, there.
On 2/13/23 08:04, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 2:49:49 AM MST, "T" wrote <tsd13t$1tvr7$7@dont-email.me>: >>
On 2/13/23 01:39, Chris wrote:
You should be very, very thankful to have us around.Utter bullshit. Religion has caused far more harm during human history than
any other single thing.
Uh Chris,
Left wing government (Nazis, Soviets, etc.)
https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
The Nazis were not on the left, and in fact targeted those who were.
Hi Snit,
You are a victim of a propaganda narrative.
The Nazis were FLAMING Leftists and the very darlings
of Socialist International.
This lived and breathed
Marxism.
The Nazis were so enamored of international
socialism that the British were block their own leftists
when British first tried to rearm. (It took attaching
the Soviets, to the British Left totally on board.)
And yes they did target other leftists and anyone
with any kind of organization, such as the Seventh
Day Adventists, who are totally harmless, contribute
to society, and have no political affiliations.
This is typical of Leftists. They wipe out
their competition. Trotsky is a prime example.
Marxists are total mass murdering bastards.
The Nazis did not get converted to Right wingers
until General Patton's tanks rolled into that
fist concentration camp and all teh world go
to see Marxism on display. (The Soviets never
allow such in their gulags.)
If you dig past the Propaganda Narrative. You
find what I am saying is true. You will also
find that the "National" in National Socialism
had nothing to do with "Nationalism". It was
national unity (gleichschaltung). Absolute
conformity and obedience. The Communists/wokies
call/called it Political Correctness.
Here is good place for you to start:
“National socialism derives from each of two
camps the pure idea that characterises it:
National resolution from bourgeois tradition;
vital, creative socialism from the teaching
of Marxism.”
---Adolf Hitler [January, 1934] Schoenbaum, p.57
By the way, Hitler himself claimed there was no
difference between National Socialism and Communism.
For fun, look up the history of Volkswagen.
Look at what the left currently believes and what
the Nazis believed. There is not a lot of difference.
socialists
marxists
socialists
political correctness
socialists
animal rights
socialists
anti free speech
socialists
violent (BLM, etc.)
socialists
use of homosexual activists (brown shirts)
socialists
abortion and infanticide
socialists
anti-religious (you will notice that on this group)
socialists
anti-gun
socialists
total intolerance of differing opinions
socialists
cheat on elections
socialists
Did I mention 'socialist"?
Here is a general rule for you to follow:
More right wing: more freedom, more liberty, less government, and more personal responsibility.
More Left Wing: less freedom, less liberty, more
government intrusion, less personal responsibility.
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not
a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was
not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." -- Martin
Niemöller
Niemöller hit that on the head.
By the way "socialist" above refers to the Socialist
party. The Nazis wiped out their competitors.
Half of those murdered in those concentration camps
were Christian. Anyone with an organization (or anything
remotely associated with Judaism).
This is what Marxists do. The Soviets would not even
let Alcoholics Anomalous in the Soviet People's paradise.
Niemöller's point can be summed up as follow:
The only way for evil to succeed is for
good men to do nothing.
By the way, Hitler himself claimed there was no
difference between National Socialism and Communism.
And if so why did they come after the Socialists and Trade Unions?
On 2/13/23 17:43, Snit wrote:
And if so why did they come after the Socialists and Trade Unions?
I told you several time in the last letter.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to
enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an
ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to
vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
By the way, Hitler himself claimed there was no
difference between National Socialism and Communism.
Look, Hitler wanted to control the world as a ruthless emperor,And the Soviets claimed the problems with socialism was
and his next life as Donald Trump has reimagined
how that could go,
you
right-wing "Christians" are helping the white devils do this shit,
it's pathetic. If you had any idea about the actual plan God has,
you'd be astounded at how *opposite* it really is from what you dream.
On 2/13/23 17:51, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:And the Soviets claimed the problems with socialism was
By the way, Hitler himself claimed there was no
difference between National Socialism and Communism.
Look, Hitler wanted to control the world as a ruthless emperor,
that the ENTIRE world had not adopted it. They were
also after world conquest.
By the way, the Soviets were arguable more ruthless
than the Nazis based on body count. Marxists butchers
all the way around.
and his next life as Donald Trump has reimagined
how that could go,
You are repeating a lie. Trump increased freedom by
removing regulations, restrictions, and such.
That is
the opposite of a dictator. And Trump was NOT a
Marxist or any strain of a socialist.
https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/stg103022dAPR-800x0.jpg
you
right-wing "Christians" are helping the white devils do this shit,
You are again repeating a lie. Christians believe all
men, including you, are made in God's image and likeness.
it's pathetic. If you had any idea about the actual plan God has,
you'd be astounded at how *opposite* it really is from what you dream.
Again, you are swimming in a sea of lies and deceit.
Conservatives and Christians believe that the only
way to deal with racism is to judge other based
ONLY on their character.
We do not line up all the white kids on one
side of the room and all the non white kids
on the other and tell white kids that they are
doing something wicked to the side of the room
based on how they were born.
And we DO NOT
tell the kids on the other side of the room they
are unable to succeed due to something the
white kids are supposedly doing to them.
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/afb020623dAPC-800x0.jpg
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote <e93muh5be9gmmk4uem47dlt8cglu9mug8g@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to
enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's
delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and
incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an
ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to
vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that
doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Lets see, they are smart enough to show ID
to get prescription drugs, they are smart
enough to show ID to by alcohol, they are smart
enough to show their drivers license to
a traffic cop, they are smart enough to
show ID to get into an NFL game, they
are smart enough to show ID to FLY, they
are smart enough to show ID to get the clot
shot, but they are TOO STUPID to show ID
to vote. OH NO INSULT THERE!
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote <e93muh5be9gmmk4uem47dlt8cglu9mug8g@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to
enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's
delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and
incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an
ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to
vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that
doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Lets see, they are smart enough to show ID[...]
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Lets see, they are smart enough to show ID[...]
crossposted from: alt.computer.workshop. What a surprise.
On 14/02/2023 04:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote <e93muh5be9gmmk4ue...@4ax.com>:
T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to
enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's
delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and
incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an
ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to
vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that
doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can onlyIs it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Hmmm. Seems not! https://people.howstuffworks.com/does-us-require-citizens-carry-id.htm
I see no problem in requiring everyone, everywhere, to carry an ID card.
In fact, we should all be 'chipped' like dogs and cats - at birth!
--
Kind regards,
David
On 2/13/23 08:03, Snit wrote:
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself, you benefit
greatly from having us around, both from the
above mentioned restrictions and from our
charitable works.
I think it is great for people to be religious, and I think it can be a method
of helping someone become a better person. But the idea you need religion to >> be moral is incorrect. If anything, if you need a church or a belief in a
deity to do the right thing then it suggests you have challenges within
yourself to be a good person. Still, nothing wrong with a believe in a
religion or a deity to be on a good path.
You are making a mistake in your statement.
A good person based on what?
In the case of
believers, we are told by god what rules we have
follow to be a good person.
As for a non
believer, it is their own opinion as to what is
good and what is moral.
They get to make up
their own rules as to what is good and what is not.
And change them at will.
Now I do know several non believers that are moral
people. They have adopted the morality of the
believes around them.
Without that, non believers are very, very dangerous
people to be around.
I base this on the body count
the Marxists gave us in the last century alone.
Keep in mind that in their minds, the end justifies
the means. Revolutionary is moral; counter revolutionary
is immoral.
I won't retell you what the Soviets did to us
during the Soviet Terror as it will give you
nightmares. They were acting in a moral
manner which they make up on their own.
Now you may say these non believers are acting like
immoral monsters. If so, you'd be basing it
on what? Again back to the morality of believers.
Now-a-days, the most dangerous place for a child
is his mother's womb.
Thou shalt now murder
is not their morality. You are allow to butcher
another human being if it are too small to fight
back and it is causing you "inconvenience".
And as far as challenges and needing to go to church.
Think of redemption as walking up the down elevator.
You stop and your slide backwards. The Church is
one of the vehicles to keep you on the right track.
So although as you state, you do not need to belong
to a church to lead a moral life, if sure helps.
And as far as good people outside the church, this
is what we believe:
”As to those people who are good and kind but
are not believers, we cannot and must not judge
them. The ways of the Lord are inscrutable; let
us leave these good people entirely to His
judgment and to the grace of His Providence. He
alone knows how and why He has built the argosy
of humanity, and the small boat of each one of
us, such as it is.”
-- St. Macarius of Optina
“For what have I to do with judging outsiders?
Is it not those inside the church whom you
are to judge?”
-- 1 Cor 5:12
<snip>
You should be very, very thankful to have us around.
I have no issue with people being religious -- I do have an issue with those >> who are religious and push it on others, or think that their religion somehow
makes them more moral.
Around these parts, to only pushy folks are the Mormons
and the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Neither, by the way, are
Christians, even if they borrow some of our names.
They are generally not bad people though, even if
a bit obnoxious at times, and they do contribute
to society.
And, keep in mind that what they are trying to do
is share sometime with you that is very precious
to them. They are trying to do good by you.
See this after you get done being annoyed with them.
I came across Christian missionaries once. I told
them I was Orthodox Christian and they were very
respectful, especially with me complimenting
and encouraging them on what they were doing.
They were not pushy at all.
In my church, we have a saying: "Religion is
is caught, not taught". You evangelize by
living a Christian life.
In the bible it
clearly states that you evangelize with "fear
and trembling" or depending on the
translation "gentleness and reverence".
You will note that being obnoxious is not
mentioned anywhere.
This is what my church
Also know the Founding Fathers were hardly pushing, as a whole, for
religion... and the first amendment makes it clear they did not want to see it
as such. And a lot more.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-founding-fathers-religious-wisdom/
A religious people was very important to them as
otherwise they'd need a police state to keep
those in check that had not internal brakes.
On 2/13/23 20:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
<e93muh5be9gmmk4uem47dlt8cglu9mug8g@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to
enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's
delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and
incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an
ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to
vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that
doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only >> be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Lets see, they are smart enough to show ID
to get prescription drugs, they are smart
enough to show ID to by alcohol, they are smart
enough to show their drivers license to
a traffic cop, they are smart enough to
show ID to get into an NFL game, they
are smart enough to show ID to FLY, they
are smart enough to show ID to get the clot
shot, but they are TOO STUPID to show ID
to vote. OH NO INSULT THERE!
I'd like to see some of these folks. Do
they walk on all fours?
On Tuesday, 14 February 2023 at 10:32:27 UTC, David Brooks wrote:
On 14/02/2023 04:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wroteIs it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
<e93muh5be9gmmk4ue...@4ax.com>:
T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to
enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's
delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and
incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an
ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to
vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that
doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Hmmm. Seems not!
https://people.howstuffworks.com/does-us-require-citizens-carry-id.htm
I see no problem in requiring everyone, everywhere, to carry an ID card.
What happens if it gets lost ?
In fact, we should all be 'chipped' like dogs and cats - at birth!
wouldn't work as people grow, this is even a problem with cats and dogs the chip can move or fail and even leave the body.
The Nazis wanted to do that they started with the jews by tattooing numbers on their arms.
I guess todays version would be QR codes.
On 14/02/2023 14:16, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:32:25 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<ZqJGL.169100$Ldj8.6802@fx47.iad>:
On 14/02/2023 04:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
<e93muh5be9gmmk4uem47dlt8cglu9mug8g@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to
enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's
delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and
incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an >>>>> ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to >>>>> vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that >>>>> doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
No.
Perhaps it will be soon.
Hmmm. Seems not!
https://people.howstuffworks.com/does-us-require-citizens-carry-id.htm
I see no problem in requiring everyone, everywhere, to carry an ID card.
If so then make it easy to get one. AND allow that one to work for voting.
Of course!
In many cases ID cards are not accepted for voting, even though they are
accepted
for other purposes. This is done to deny the poor and minorities, in general,
the right to vote.
That's just plain wrong. Everyone who votes should be able to prove who
they are.
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:32:25 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <ZqJGL.169100$Ldj8.6802@fx47.iad>:
On 14/02/2023 04:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
<e93muh5be9gmmk4uem47dlt8cglu9mug8g@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to
enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's
delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and
incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an
ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to
vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that >>>> doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
No.
Hmmm. Seems not!
https://people.howstuffworks.com/does-us-require-citizens-carry-id.htm
I see no problem in requiring everyone, everywhere, to carry an ID card.
If so then make it easy to get one. AND allow that one to work for voting.
In many cases ID cards are not accepted for voting, even though they are accepted
for other purposes. This is done to deny the poor and minorities, in general, the right to vote.
On 14/02/2023 13:11, whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 14 February 2023 at 10:32:27 UTC, David Brooks wrote:
On 14/02/2023 04:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wroteIs it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
<e93muh5be9gmmk4ue...@4ax.com>:
T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to
enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's
delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and
incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an >>>> ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to >>>> vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that >>>> doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Hmmm. Seems not!
https://people.howstuffworks.com/does-us-require-citizens-carry-id.htm
I see no problem in requiring everyone, everywhere, to carry an ID card.
What happens if it gets lost ?When I was in the navy it was a hefty fine and stoppage of leave.
As a youngster, I did once leave mine in a shirt pocket when it went to
the laundry. I never, ever, lost it again!
In fact, we should all be 'chipped' like dogs and cats - at birth!
wouldn't work as people grow, this is even a problem with cats and dogs the chip can move or fail and even leave the body.I saw a sci-fi film once where it WAS done!
The Nazis wanted to do that they started with the jews by tattooing numbers on their arms.Carrying a card - rather like one's Diving Licence - would be entirely sufficient.
I guess todays version would be QR codes.
--
Kind regards,
David
On 14/02/2023 04:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
<e93muh5be9gmmk4uem47dlt8cglu9mug8g@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to
enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's
delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and
incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an
ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to
vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that
doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only >> be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hmmm. Seems not! https://people.howstuffworks.com/does-us-require-citizens-carry-id.htm
I see no problem in requiring everyone, everywhere, to carry an ID card.
In fact, we should all be 'chipped' like dogs and cats - at birth!
On Feb 14, 2023 at 2:49:58 AM MST, "T" wrote <tsflg6$1tvr6$1...@dont-email.me>:
On 2/13/23 08:03, Snit wrote:
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself, you benefit
greatly from having us around, both from the
above mentioned restrictions and from our
charitable works.
I think it is great for people to be religious, and I think it can be a method
of helping someone become a better person. But the idea you need religion to
be moral is incorrect. If anything, if you need a church or a belief in a >> deity to do the right thing then it suggests you have challenges within >> yourself to be a good person. Still, nothing wrong with a believe in a
religion or a deity to be on a good path.
You are making a mistake in your statement.Based on what all people base their morality on -- their own internal compass.
A good person based on what?
Their own learning. Their own desire to be helpful and kind.
And multiple studies have found atheists tend to be just as moral.
In the case ofRight. You need someone else to tell you what to do. If that voice says to kill someone, would you? Abraham was willing to kill his son! That is depicted
believers, we are told by god what rules we have
follow to be a good person.
as a good thing! Noooo! If some authority figure tells me to kill I would not... I *know* it is wrong.
As for a nonJust as it is with someone who is religious... they just decide to follow an authority figure that may tell them to kill their own child.
believer, it is their own opinion as to what is
good and what is moral.
They get to make upSame with religious people --
their own rules as to what is good and what is not.
And change them at will.
they get to interpret the Bible or Quran or
Torah or whatever as they see fits with what they want.
And people interpret
them very differently! They also ignore what they see as the "bad" things and
then follow the "good". But many times the "good" is pretty clearly bad -- leading them to denounce homosexuality, for example. But of course not all churches or religions do this. Everyone says they have the "real" understanding of God, based on what they want to be "right".
Now I do know several non believers that are moral
people. They have adopted the morality of the
believes around them.
Without that, non believers are very, very dangerousPlease show any peer review study that backs this.
people to be around.
But even lacking that, common sense suggests otherwise. If you need to be told
to do good things by some authority figure, are you really moral?
You might
act it... which I would argue is what really matters, but you do not have that
morality truly internalized. You are dependent on someone else for you to be a
good person. That is a weaker form of morality in that you are not inherently
good... and as I said above, if you see the authority telling you to do evil things why not follow that just as fast? And how do you know if the authority's wishes are good and bad? With no internal compass what stops you from raping and killing?
I base this on the body countMarxism is not relevant here. I am speaking of atheists vs. theists.
the Marxists gave us in the last century alone.
Keep in mind that in their minds, the end justifies
the means. Revolutionary is moral; counter revolutionary
is immoral.
I won't retell you what the Soviets did to us
during the Soviet Terror as it will give you
nightmares. They were acting in a moral
manner which they make up on their own.
Now you may say these non believers are acting like
immoral monsters. If so, you'd be basing it
on what? Again back to the morality of believers.
Now-a-days, the most dangerous place for a childA child should never be in the womb! To try to push it back where it was when
is his mother's womb.
it was a fetus would be harmful to it and the mother!
Thou shalt now murderThe bible says nothing about abortion except a recipe to try to induce one. But you seek to re-interpret what the Bible says to fit what YOU see as moral.
is not their morality. You are allow to butcher
another human being if it are too small to fight
back and it is causing you "inconvenience".
But let us look to see what the Bible *actually* says:
And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy
estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for
the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. --
Leviticus 27:6
The Bible does not consider the child to be of much value until it is five years old! Though in other places it seems to set the standard at one month:
Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by
their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou
number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the
LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16
And the LORD said unto Moses, Number all the firstborn of the
males of the children of Israel from a month old and upward, and
take the number of their names. -- Numbers 3:40
And other places it speaks of where it is just fine to kill fetuses:
And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ...
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill
every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers
31:15-17
Some of the women must have been pregnant and their unborn fetuses were also being killed!
Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying
womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14
Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved
fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her
God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed
in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea
13:16
The Bible even advocates for killing babies just to punish the parents!
Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies
of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee
shall surely die. -- 2 Samuel 12:14
Not to mention the whole killing of the first born son in Egypt.
Could go on and on and on. The Bible is not really a good book to look to for
morality... people take from it what they put into it. And it is deeply inconsistent.
So if you are looking to a book that teaches immorality, and is not consistent, where do you think you actually get your morality from?
Answer: yourself. Just like an atheist.
You just work to take away your own
responsibility for your poor behavior -- saying some authority figure told you
to do it.
And as far as challenges and needing to go to church.For some it is. And I say it is great if it helps them be more moral. But let
Think of redemption as walking up the down elevator.
You stop and your slide backwards. The Church is
one of the vehicles to keep you on the right track.
is not pretend it is the only way to be more moral. If anything, it is more needed by those who lack morality... who need to be told they should be good to others.
Especailly for the weak minded and those unable to think for themselves.So although as you state, you do not need to belongIt can for many.
to a church to lead a moral life, if sure helps.
I have nothing against it. But you have to still follow your
own sense or morality -- finding a church that backs what you think is right.
And as far as good people outside the church, this
is what we believe:
”As to those people who are good and kind but
are not believers, we cannot and must not judge
them. The ways of the Lord are inscrutable; let
us leave these good people entirely to His
judgment and to the grace of His Providence. He
alone knows how and why He has built the argosy
of humanity, and the small boat of each one of
us, such as it is.”
-- St. Macarius of Optina
“For what have I to do with judging outsiders?
Is it not those inside the church whom you
are to judge?”
-- 1 Cor 5:12
<snip>
You should be very, very thankful to have us around.
I have no issue with people being religious -- I do have an issue with those
who are religious and push it on others, or think that their religion somehow
makes them more moral.
Around these parts, to only pushy folks are the Mormons
and the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
And folks such as Trump and many conservatives who insist that saying "Happy Holidays" is somehow against them. And Fox who makes up silly stories about some fictional "War on Christmas" every year. And much more.
Neither, by the way, areMany Christian groups deny other Christian groups are Christian groups. Each has their own interpretation. Each uses their own morality to reinterpret the
Christians, even if they borrow some of our names.
Bible.
Different groups of Jews do much the same. Also different groups of Muslims.
They are generally not bad people though, even ifI used to have neighbors who were JW. The wife at one point sorta went off on
a bit obnoxious at times, and they do contribute
to society.
me about how I could not be moral without religion.
Her husband, to his credit, pointed out that unlike her I do not drink or smoke or do other things they are taught are wrong, and I was there helping here with computer work for free. I was being a better "Christian" than most Christians.
And, keep in mind that what they are trying to doIf I have something I want to share with you, and you do not want it, it is abusive for me to keep trying to shove it down your throat.
is share sometime with you that is very precious
to them. They are trying to do good by you.
See this after you get done being annoyed with them.
Years ago when I was at UNLV I worked in a computer lab. Went from my car to the lab to go to work. As I went there were two groups of Christians trying to
hand out Bibles. Twice on my way to the lab I politely declined their Bible. I
got into the lab and realized I forgot something at my car.
Two more times as I went to my car I politely declined a Bible.
Back to the lab. One more time I politely declined a Bible. On the second time
for that trip... the sixth time in a few minutes where they would get in my face I finally had enough. I accepted the Bible... and walked over to a garbage can where I stood ripping out pages and throwing them away. They were
offended. How could I!
They gave it to me. It was mine to do with as I wished. And when I left work they remembered and stopped bothering me.
The worst part is part of the reason I said no to the Bible is the year before
I had accepted one and still had it. But their pushy nonsense was not really good behavior on their part. Let others be! If you want to set up a booth where people can get the Bible or the Quran or the Book of Satan then so be it. Just stop pushing it on others!
I came across Christian missionaries once. I told
them I was Orthodox Christian and they were very
respectful, especially with me complimenting
and encouraging them on what they were doing.
They were not pushy at all.
In my church, we have a saying: "Religion isI promote a good life in others by living one myself. No religion needed. Again, not saying it is bad to be religious.
is caught, not taught". You evangelize by
living a Christian life.
In the bible it
clearly states that you evangelize with "fear
and trembling" or depending on the
translation "gentleness and reverence".
You will note that being obnoxious is not
mentioned anywhere.
This is what my church
Also know the Founding Fathers were hardly pushing, as a whole, for
religion... and the first amendment makes it clear they did not want to see it
as such. And a lot more.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-founding-fathers-religious-wisdom/
A religious people was very important to them asHow do you figure?
otherwise they'd need a police state to keep
those in check that had not internal brakes.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
On Feb 14, 2023 at 7:24:27 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <tsg5ir$2hntq$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
On 14/02/2023 14:16, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:32:25 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<ZqJGL.169100$Ldj8.6802@fx47.iad>:
On 14/02/2023 04:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
<e93muh5be9gmmk4uem47dlt8cglu9mug8g@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to
enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's >>>>>> delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and >>>>>> incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have >>>>>> ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an >>>>>> ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to >>>>>> vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and >>>>>> their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that >>>>>> doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
No.
Perhaps it will be soon.
Perhaps.
Of course!Hmmm. Seems not!If so then make it easy to get one. AND allow that one to work for voting. >>
https://people.howstuffworks.com/does-us-require-citizens-carry-id.htm >>>>
I see no problem in requiring everyone, everywhere, to carry an ID card. >>>
Also keep making it easy to vote by mail -- where the whole idea of an ID makes no sense. And allow it online. If online banking can be made quite secure, so can online voting.
In many cases ID cards are not accepted for voting, even though they are >>> accepted
for other purposes. This is done to deny the poor and minorities, in general,
the right to vote.
That's just plain wrong. Everyone who votes should be able to prove who
they are.
The required proof is set up so to acquire it you have to go to the wealthier,
primarily white, parts of town -- but if you do that as a poor black person you are told you are in the wrong place and it is suspicious for you to be there. And the poor often lack cars, but public transportation is set up to make it hard to get there. And to take the time to get there often means having to take time off of work. There are cases where during the times people
are most likely to be seeking such IDs the public transportation is altered to
make it harder for the poor (and largely black) to get these IDs.
Other IDs, ones which are acceptable for other situations, are deemed not good
enough for voting.
By and large the voter ID laws in the US are designed to make it harder for the poor to vote. Nothing to do with how smart someone is. Do not even know where that come from (other than a straw man to avoid the actual topic of discrimination).
On 14/02/2023 14:33, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 7:24:27 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<tsg5ir$2hntq$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
On 14/02/2023 14:16, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:32:25 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<ZqJGL.169100$Ldj8.6802@fx47.iad>:
On 14/02/2023 04:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
<e93muh5be9gmmk4uem47dlt8cglu9mug8g@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to
enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's >>>>>>> delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and >>>>>>> incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have >>>>>>> ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an >>>>>>> ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to >>>>>>> vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and >>>>>>> their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that >>>>>>> doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
No.
Perhaps it will be soon.
Perhaps.
Of course!Hmmm. Seems not!If so then make it easy to get one. AND allow that one to work for voting. >>>
https://people.howstuffworks.com/does-us-require-citizens-carry-id.htm >>>>>
I see no problem in requiring everyone, everywhere, to carry an ID card. >>>>
Also keep making it easy to vote by mail -- where the whole idea of an ID
makes no sense. And allow it online. If online banking can be made quite
secure, so can online voting.
If the people who are going to vote can send and receive mail, they
should be
able to apply for, and receive, an ID card by mail.
In many cases ID cards are not accepted for voting, even though they are >>>> accepted
for other purposes. This is done to deny the poor and minorities, in general,
the right to vote.
That's just plain wrong. Everyone who votes should be able to prove who
they are.
The required proof is set up so to acquire it you have to go to the wealthier,
primarily white, parts of town -- but if you do that as a poor black person >> you are told you are in the wrong place and it is suspicious for you to be >> there. And the poor often lack cars, but public transportation is set up to >> make it hard to get there. And to take the time to get there often means
having to take time off of work. There are cases where during the times people
are most likely to be seeking such IDs the public transportation is altered to
make it harder for the poor (and largely black) to get these IDs.
As mentioned above, they could get their ID card by mail.
Other IDs, ones which are acceptable for other situations, are deemed not good
enough for voting.
By and large the voter ID laws in the US are designed to make it harder for >> the poor to vote. Nothing to do with how smart someone is. Do not even know >> where that come from (other than a straw man to avoid the actual topic of
discrimination).
It sounds as if things need to change in the USA!
On Feb 14, 2023 at 9:35:15 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <8LOGL.621559$Tcw8.155958@fx10.iad>:
On 14/02/2023 14:33, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 7:24:27 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<tsg5ir$2hntq$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
On 14/02/2023 14:16, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:32:25 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<ZqJGL.169100$Ldj8.6802@fx47.iad>:
On 14/02/2023 04:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wroteIs it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
<e93muh5be9gmmk4uem47dlt8cglu9mug8g@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to >>>>>>>> enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's >>>>>>>> delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and >>>>>>>> incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have >>>>>>>> ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an >>>>>>>> ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to >>>>>>>> vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and >>>>>>>> their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that >>>>>>>> doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games. >>>>>>
No.
Perhaps it will be soon.
Perhaps.
Hmmm. Seems not!If so then make it easy to get one. AND allow that one to work for voting.
https://people.howstuffworks.com/does-us-require-citizens-carry-id.htm >>>>>>
I see no problem in requiring everyone, everywhere, to carry an ID card. >>>>>
Of course!
Also keep making it easy to vote by mail -- where the whole idea of an ID >>> makes no sense. And allow it online. If online banking can be made quite >>> secure, so can online voting.
If the people who are going to vote can send and receive mail, they
should be
able to apply for, and receive, an ID card by mail.
Sure... but how do you use that ID card when you vote by mail? Right now they have it based on signature. There are very few cases of fraud tied to that.
In many cases ID cards are not accepted for voting, even though they are >>>>> accepted
for other purposes. This is done to deny the poor and minorities, in general,
the right to vote.
That's just plain wrong. Everyone who votes should be able to prove who >>>> they are.
The required proof is set up so to acquire it you have to go to the wealthier,
primarily white, parts of town -- but if you do that as a poor black person >>> you are told you are in the wrong place and it is suspicious for you to be >>> there. And the poor often lack cars, but public transportation is set up to >>> make it hard to get there. And to take the time to get there often means >>> having to take time off of work. There are cases where during the times people
are most likely to be seeking such IDs the public transportation is altered to
make it harder for the poor (and largely black) to get these IDs.
As mentioned above, they could get their ID card by mail.
If that was allowed... though what about people who are homeless. There are many in the US, and a disproportionate number are black (blacks in the have, on average, about 1/10th the wealth of whites).
While I think race does play a factor, much of the targeting is really about the poor -- there is just a huge overlap.
Other IDs, ones which are acceptable for other situations, are deemed not good
enough for voting.
By and large the voter ID laws in the US are designed to make it harder for >>> the poor to vote. Nothing to do with how smart someone is. Do not even know >>> where that come from (other than a straw man to avoid the actual topic of >>> discrimination).
It sounds as if things need to change in the USA!
Very much so. We do not have anything close to a representative government. All sorts of examples of this. Our gun laws, for example. Most Americans, including most gun owners, think there should be universal background checks, limits on what type guns you can buy, and more... but the NRA is a powerful lobby that buys politicians so it does not happen.
On 14/02/2023 16:41, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 9:35:15 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<8LOGL.621559$Tcw8.155958@fx10.iad>:
On 14/02/2023 14:33, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 7:24:27 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<tsg5ir$2hntq$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
On 14/02/2023 14:16, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:32:25 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<ZqJGL.169100$Ldj8.6802@fx47.iad>:
On 14/02/2023 04:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wroteIs it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
<e93muh5be9gmmk4uem47dlt8cglu9mug8g@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to >>>>>>>>> enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's >>>>>>>>> delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and >>>>>>>>> incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have >>>>>>>>> ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an >>>>>>>>> ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to >>>>>>>>> vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and >>>>>>>>> their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that
doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games. >>>>>>>
No.
Perhaps it will be soon.
Perhaps.
Hmmm. Seems not!
https://people.howstuffworks.com/does-us-require-citizens-carry-id.htm >>>>>>>
I see no problem in requiring everyone, everywhere, to carry an ID card.
If so then make it easy to get one. AND allow that one to work for voting.
Of course!
Also keep making it easy to vote by mail -- where the whole idea of an ID >>>> makes no sense. And allow it online. If online banking can be made quite >>>> secure, so can online voting.
If the people who are going to vote can send and receive mail, they
should be
able to apply for, and receive, an ID card by mail.
Sure... but how do you use that ID card when you vote by mail? Right now they
have it based on signature. There are very few cases of fraud tied to that.
Here in the UK one has to pre-plan to vote by post. People provide
whatever evidence is requested until approval is granted.
In many cases ID cards are not accepted for voting, even though they are >>>>>> accepted
for other purposes. This is done to deny the poor and minorities, in general,
the right to vote.
That's just plain wrong. Everyone who votes should be able to prove who >>>>> they are.
The required proof is set up so to acquire it you have to go to the wealthier,
primarily white, parts of town -- but if you do that as a poor black person
you are told you are in the wrong place and it is suspicious for you to be >>>> there. And the poor often lack cars, but public transportation is set up to
make it hard to get there. And to take the time to get there often means >>>> having to take time off of work. There are cases where during the times people
are most likely to be seeking such IDs the public transportation is altered to
make it harder for the poor (and largely black) to get these IDs.
As mentioned above, they could get their ID card by mail.
If that was allowed... though what about people who are homeless. There are >> many in the US, and a disproportionate number are black (blacks in the have, >> on average, about 1/10th the wealth of whites).
Until the USA solves its "homeless" situation, such poor people cannot
be allowed to vote.
While I think race does play a factor, much of the targeting is really about >> the poor -- there is just a huge overlap.
It has ever been thus - everywhere.
Other IDs, ones which are acceptable for other situations, are deemed not good
enough for voting.
By and large the voter ID laws in the US are designed to make it harder for
the poor to vote. Nothing to do with how smart someone is. Do not even know
where that come from (other than a straw man to avoid the actual topic of >>>> discrimination).
It sounds as if things need to change in the USA!
Very much so. We do not have anything close to a representative government. >> All sorts of examples of this. Our gun laws, for example. Most Americans,
including most gun owners, think there should be universal background checks,
limits on what type guns you can buy, and more... but the NRA is a powerful >> lobby that buys politicians so it does not happen.
I'm sorry I can't help you with that!!!
On 2/13/23 20:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an
ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to
vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that
doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only >> be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Lets see, they are smart enough to show ID
to get prescription drugs, they are smart
enough to show ID to by alcohol, they are smart
enough to show their drivers license to
a traffic cop, they are smart enough to
show ID to get into an NFL game, they
are smart enough to show ID to FLY, they
are smart enough to show ID to get the clot
shot, but they are TOO STUPID to show ID
to vote. OH NO INSULT THERE!
I'd like to see some of these folks. Do
they walk on all fours?
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/13/23 20:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an
ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to
vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that >>>> doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Lets see, they are smart enough to show ID
to get prescription drugs, they are smart
enough to show ID to by alcohol, they are smart
enough to show their drivers license to
a traffic cop, they are smart enough to
show ID to get into an NFL game, they
are smart enough to show ID to FLY, they
are smart enough to show ID to get the clot
shot, but they are TOO STUPID to show ID
to vote. OH NO INSULT THERE!
I'd like to see some of these folks. Do
they walk on all fours?
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not
about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
On 2/13/23 01:39, Chris wrote:
Really! Us religious folks come with built in
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself, you benefit
greatly from having us around, both from the
above mentioned restrictions and from our
charitable works.
Only if you're a white, western conformist.
You are making things up. Race has nothing to do
with it.
Try telling all the abused children and women at the hands of the church.
Those that do belong turned over to the secular
authorities. This kind of criminal behavior
something that happens in any organization,
not just religious. This is a law enforcement issue.
Or any other "minority" in terms of race, beliefs or sexual orientation.
Show where Christians are persecuting these people.
Being disappointed in one's behavior is not persecution.
And what is this race think. We believe God created
us all equal in his own image and likeness. Maybe
not you. Okay, you too.
You are perfectly welcome to have your own faith, but please don't think
you're doing anyone a favour. The church is self-serving, abusive,
manipulating artifact of history. It would be an illegal organisation if
they attempted to establish it today.
My church has been around for 2000 years.
We wrote
the bible.
We took down two of the most abusive
tyrannies in human history (Rome and the Soviet empires).
And guess
what, we were illegal when God founded us
by the laying on of hands. The Romans and Soviets
tried, but failed.
And yes, we are doing you a lot of favors since you
the don't have to live under tyranny because we come
with built in brakes on our behavior that you do not.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not
about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
On Feb 14, 2023 at 12:01:04 PM MST, "Joel" wrote <tfmnuhtim0qsh0jbqr0ctb5v5cvjuhh792@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/13/23 20:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have
ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an >>>>> ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to >>>>> vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and
their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that >>>>> doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Lets see, they are smart enough to show ID
to get prescription drugs, they are smart
enough to show ID to by alcohol, they are smart
enough to show their drivers license to
a traffic cop, they are smart enough to
show ID to get into an NFL game, they
are smart enough to show ID to FLY, they
are smart enough to show ID to get the clot
shot, but they are TOO STUPID to show ID
to vote. OH NO INSULT THERE!
I'd like to see some of these folks. Do
they walk on all fours?
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not
about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
The whole idea of it being tied to intelligence was a red herring. Literally nobody suggested that.
Meaning the idea of races being of different IQs came from T, but then he tried to place it on others.
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not
about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
Yup. Most of the states that require ID to vote
will give you one for free. Georgia for instance,
To survive in this country, you must have ID. You
can't rent a house/apartment, you can't get welfare,
you can't drive, you can't get a banking/checking
account. And on and on and so forth.
These laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keeping
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
On 2/14/23 11:07, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 12:01:04 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
<tfmnuhtim0qsh0jbqr0ctb5v5cvjuhh792@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/13/23 20:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have >>>>>> ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an >>>>>> ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to >>>>>> vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and >>>>>> their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that >>>>>> doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Lets see, they are smart enough to show ID
to get prescription drugs, they are smart
enough to show ID to by alcohol, they are smart
enough to show their drivers license to
a traffic cop, they are smart enough to
show ID to get into an NFL game, they
are smart enough to show ID to FLY, they
are smart enough to show ID to get the clot
shot, but they are TOO STUPID to show ID
to vote. OH NO INSULT THERE!
I'd like to see some of these folks. Do
they walk on all fours?
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not
about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
The whole idea of it being tied to intelligence was a red herring. Literally >> nobody suggested that.
Meaning the idea of races being of different IQs came from T, but then he
tried to place it on others.
You have not been listening to Leftists too close.
It is all about using the race card to protect
VOTER FRAUD.
On 14/02/2023 17:57, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 10:08:47 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<zePGL.621562$Tcw8.579207@fx10.iad>:
On 14/02/2023 16:41, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 9:35:15 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<8LOGL.621559$Tcw8.155958@fx10.iad>:
On 14/02/2023 14:33, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 7:24:27 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<tsg5ir$2hntq$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
On 14/02/2023 14:16, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:32:25 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<ZqJGL.169100$Ldj8.6802@fx47.iad>:
On 14/02/2023 04:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wroteIs it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
<e93muh5be9gmmk4uem47dlt8cglu9mug8g@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
That right there just says it all, there's nothing I can say to >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten you, you are talking to Jesus directly and you think he's >>>>>>>>>>> delusional, when it's you who is delusional. It's truly ironic and >>>>>>>>>>> incredible.
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have >>>>>>>>>>> ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an
ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to
vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and >>>>>>>>>>> their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that
doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games. >>>>>>>>>
No.
Perhaps it will be soon.
Perhaps.
Hmmm. Seems not!
https://people.howstuffworks.com/does-us-require-citizens-carry-id.htm
I see no problem in requiring everyone, everywhere, to carry an ID card.
If so then make it easy to get one. AND allow that one to work for voting.
Of course!
Also keep making it easy to vote by mail -- where the whole idea of an ID
makes no sense. And allow it online. If online banking can be made quite >>>>>> secure, so can online voting.
If the people who are going to vote can send and receive mail, they
should be
able to apply for, and receive, an ID card by mail.
Sure... but how do you use that ID card when you vote by mail? Right now they
have it based on signature. There are very few cases of fraud tied to that.
Here in the UK one has to pre-plan to vote by post. People provide
whatever evidence is requested until approval is granted.
In many cases ID cards are not accepted for voting, even though they are
accepted
for other purposes. This is done to deny the poor and minorities, in general,
the right to vote.
That's just plain wrong. Everyone who votes should be able to prove who >>>>>>> they are.
The required proof is set up so to acquire it you have to go to the wealthier,
primarily white, parts of town -- but if you do that as a poor black person
you are told you are in the wrong place and it is suspicious for you to be
there. And the poor often lack cars, but public transportation is set up to
make it hard to get there. And to take the time to get there often means >>>>>> having to take time off of work. There are cases where during the times people
are most likely to be seeking such IDs the public transportation is altered to
make it harder for the poor (and largely black) to get these IDs.
As mentioned above, they could get their ID card by mail.
If that was allowed... though what about people who are homeless. There are
many in the US, and a disproportionate number are black (blacks in the have,
on average, about 1/10th the wealth of whites).
Until the USA solves its "homeless" situation, such poor people cannot
be allowed to vote.
Not allow homeless people to vote? What? I cannot agree with that.
If they cannot comply with legal requirements (such as having acceptable
ID) then they WILL be unable to vote.
While I think race does play a factor, much of the targeting is really about
the poor -- there is just a huge overlap.
It has ever been thus - everywhere.
A lot of truth to that, sadly.
Have you read 'Animal Farm'?
Other IDs, ones which are acceptable for other situations, are deemed not good
enough for voting.
By and large the voter ID laws in the US are designed to make it harder for
the poor to vote. Nothing to do with how smart someone is. Do not even know
where that come from (other than a straw man to avoid the actual topic of
discrimination).
It sounds as if things need to change in the USA!
Very much so. We do not have anything close to a representative government.
All sorts of examples of this. Our gun laws, for example. Most Americans, >>>> including most gun owners, think there should be universal background checks,
limits on what type guns you can buy, and more... but the NRA is a powerful
lobby that buys politicians so it does not happen.
I'm sorry I can't help you with that!!!
I hope at some point the people rise up and insist on having their voice
heard. For the most part I have trust in what the American people want -- with
some exceptions during times of crisis, I find I am mostly happy with what >> they want in most polls.
I'm fairly confident that there will be a revolution here in the UK if
things don't change soon. I feel very sad about the way our government
fail to look after ALL the people. :-(
On 2/14/23 11:01, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not
about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
Yup. Most of the states that require ID to vote
will give you one for free. Georgia for instance,
To survive in this country, you must have ID. You
can't rent a house/apartment, you can't get welfare,
you can't drive, you can't get a banking/checking
account. And on and on and so forth.
These laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
On 2/14/23 16:11, David Brooks wrote:
On 14/02/2023 22:33, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Thank you.
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keeping
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
I've never understood why an innocent individual would ever fight shy of
providing proof of their identity.
People seems to forget that cops will risk their
lives to protect you when they do not even know
who you are.
Now they have responsibility (laws
and procedures) towards us, which everyone
complains about when they don't follow them, but
folks do not seem to realize that we too have a
responsibility towards them to not make their
jobs more difficult.
I grew up around cops. This is the advice they
gave me. If you do not want to find out who
the bad cops are, do not treat them disrespectfully.
On 2/14/23 11:07, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 12:01:04 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
<tfmnuhtim0qsh0jbqr0ctb5v5cvjuhh792@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/13/23 20:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have >>>>>> ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an >>>>>> ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to >>>>>> vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and >>>>>> their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that >>>>>> doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Lets see, they are smart enough to show ID
to get prescription drugs, they are smart
enough to show ID to by alcohol, they are smart
enough to show their drivers license to
a traffic cop, they are smart enough to
show ID to get into an NFL game, they
are smart enough to show ID to FLY, they
are smart enough to show ID to get the clot
shot, but they are TOO STUPID to show ID
to vote. OH NO INSULT THERE!
I'd like to see some of these folks. Do
they walk on all fours?
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not
about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
The whole idea of it being tied to intelligence was a red herring. Literally >> nobody suggested that.
Meaning the idea of races being of different IQs came from T, but then he
tried to place it on others.
You have not been listening to Leftists too close.
It is all about using the race card to protect
VOTER FRAUD.
On 2/14/23 16:11, David Brooks wrote:
On 14/02/2023 22:33, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Thank you.
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keeping
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
I've never understood why an innocent individual would ever fight shy of
providing proof of their identity.
People seems to forget that cops will risk their
lives to protect you when they do not even know
who you are. Now they have responsibility (laws
and procedures) towards us, which everyone
complains about when they don't follow them, but
folks do not seem to realize that we too have a
responsibility towards them to not make their
jobs more difficult.
I grew up around cops. This is the advice they
gave me. If you do not want to find out who
the bad cops are, do not treat them disrespectfully.
Have you read 'Animal Farm'?
On 14/02/2023 22:33, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutesThank you.
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keepingI've never understood why an innocent individual would ever fight shy of providing proof of their identity.
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
--
Kind regards,
David
On 15/02/2023 02:19, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 16:11, David Brooks wrote:
On 14/02/2023 22:33, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Thank you.
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keeping
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
I've never understood why an innocent individual would ever fight shy of >> providing proof of their identity.
People seems to forget that cops will risk their
lives to protect you when they do not even know
who you are. Now they have responsibility (laws
and procedures) towards us, which everyone
complains about when they don't follow them, but
folks do not seem to realize that we too have a
responsibility towards them to not make their
jobs more difficult.
I grew up around cops. This is the advice theyYou are spot-on, 'T'. 🙂
gave me. If you do not want to find out who
the bad cops are, do not treat them disrespectfully.
My uncle Rueben, my mother's brother, was a police officer in Sheffield.
Her cousin, Tom, was a bobby in the London Met.
Their values were passed on down to me!
--
Kind regards,
David
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keeping
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
-T
On 2/14/23 16:11, David Brooks wrote:
On 14/02/2023 22:33, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Thank you.
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keeping
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
I've never understood why an innocent individual would ever fight shy of providing proof of their identity.
People seems to forget that cops will risk their
lives to protect you when they do not even know
who you are. Now they have responsibility (laws
and procedures) towards us, which everyone
complains about when they don't follow them, but
folks do not seem to realize that we too have a
responsibility towards them to not make their
jobs more difficult.
I grew up around cops. This is the advice they
gave me. If you do not want to find out who
the bad cops are, do not treat them disrespectfully.
On 15/02/2023 01:30, Snit wrote:
Have you read 'Animal Farm'?
Did you skip on purpose?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/13/23 01:39, Chris wrote:
Really! Us religious folks come with built in
restriction on our behavior. Even if you
do not believe in God yourself, you benefit
greatly from having us around, both from the
above mentioned restrictions and from our
charitable works.
Only if you're a white, western conformist.
You are making things up. Race has nothing to do
with it.
You'd like to believe that, wouldn't you?
On Feb 15, 2023 at 12:36:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <oY%GL.178162$Olad.162625@fx35.iad>:
On 15/02/2023 01:30, Snit wrote:
Have you read 'Animal Farm'?
Did you skip on purpose?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm
Read it, years ago.
On 15/02/2023 15:35, Snit wrote:
On Feb 15, 2023 at 12:36:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<oY%GL.178162$Olad.162625@fx35.iad>:
On 15/02/2023 01:30, Snit wrote:
Have you read 'Animal Farm'?
Did you skip on purpose?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm
Read it, years ago.
Ha! :-D With which animal do you compare yourself?
People seems to forget that cops will risk their
lives to protect you when they do not even know
who you are.
Now they have responsibility (laws
and procedures) towards us, which everyone
complains about when they don't follow them, but
folks do not seem to realize that we too have a
responsibility towards them to not make their
jobs more difficult.
I grew up around cops. This is the advice they
gave me. If you do not want to find out who
the bad cops are, do not treat them disrespectfully.
On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 02:21:40 UTC, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 16:11, David Brooks wrote:
On 14/02/2023 22:33, T wrote:People seems to forget that cops will risk their
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Thank you.
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keeping
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
I've never understood why an innocent individual would ever fight shy of >>> providing proof of their identity.
lives to protect you when they do not even know
who you are. Now they have responsibility (laws
and procedures) towards us, which everyone
complains about when they don't follow them, but
folks do not seem to realize that we too have a
responsibility towards them to not make their
jobs more difficult.
Didn;t play out to well for Tyre Nichols did it.
I grew up around cops. This is the advice they
gave me. If you do not want to find out who
the bad cops are, do not treat them disrespectfully.
Surely we should be able to tell the good guys from the bad guys BEFORE employing them as cops.
Be nice to be able to do this with politicians too, but it;s a bit more difficult to tell it seems, more so in the US than the UK.
Yup. There shouldn't be bad cops. It shouldn't matter who you get, the response should be the same. The police forces around the US are really
badly trained. There's some interesting footage from a few years ago of the FBI coming over to Scotland being shocked at how well unarmed police
officers - the norm over here - are at subduing an armed attacker. No guns, tasers or beatings required.
On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 07:52:45 UTC, David Brooks wrote:life.
On 15/02/2023 02:19, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 16:11, David Brooks wrote:You are spot-on, 'T'. 🙂
On 14/02/2023 22:33, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Thank you.
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keeping
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
I've never understood why an innocent individual would ever fight shy of >>>> providing proof of their identity.
People seems to forget that cops will risk their
lives to protect you when they do not even know
who you are. Now they have responsibility (laws
and procedures) towards us, which everyone
complains about when they don't follow them, but
folks do not seem to realize that we too have a
responsibility towards them to not make their
jobs more difficult.
I grew up around cops. This is the advice they
gave me. If you do not want to find out who
the bad cops are, do not treat them disrespectfully.
My uncle Rueben, my mother's brother, was a police officer in Sheffield.
Her cousin, Tom, was a bobby in the London Met.
Their values were passed on down to me!
Doesn't really prove or mean much though does it.
David Carrick was a bobby in the London Met.
David Carrick, who believed his position as a Metropolitan police officer made him “untouchable” as he raped, assaulted and inflicted “irretrievable destruction” on at least 12 women before intimidating them into silence, has been jailed for
The firearms officer, entrusted to guard parliament and diplomatic sites after the Met missed clue after clue about the danger he posed, will spend at least 30 more years in prison for his 17-year spree of crimes.
So explain to me why you have these strange beliefs including what a good peron the above is or God or his followers.
On 15/02/2023 13:31, whisky-dave wrote:life.
On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 07:52:45 UTC, David Brooks wrote:
On 15/02/2023 02:19, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 16:11, David Brooks wrote:You are spot-on, 'T'. 🙂
On 14/02/2023 22:33, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Thank you.
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keeping
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
I've never understood why an innocent individual would ever fight shy of
providing proof of their identity.
People seems to forget that cops will risk their
lives to protect you when they do not even know
who you are. Now they have responsibility (laws
and procedures) towards us, which everyone
complains about when they don't follow them, but
folks do not seem to realize that we too have a
responsibility towards them to not make their
jobs more difficult.
I grew up around cops. This is the advice they
gave me. If you do not want to find out who
the bad cops are, do not treat them disrespectfully.
My uncle Rueben, my mother's brother, was a police officer in Sheffield. >> Her cousin, Tom, was a bobby in the London Met.
Their values were passed on down to me!
Doesn't really prove or mean much though does it.
David Carrick was a bobby in the London Met.
David Carrick, who believed his position as a Metropolitan police officer made him “untouchable” as he raped, assaulted and inflicted “irretrievable destruction” on at least 12 women before intimidating them into silence, has been jailed for
The firearms officer, entrusted to guard parliament and diplomatic sites after the Met missed clue after clue about the danger he posed, will spend at least 30 more years in prison for his 17-year spree of crimes.
So explain to me why you have these strange beliefs including what a good peron the above is or God or his followers.I'm afraid it's something that you simply have to learn for yourself, Dave.
Try sitting quietly for half an hour in one or two of London's churches. That might help you 'see the light'!
--
Kind regards,
David
On 15 Feb 2023 at 18:05:10 GMT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. There shouldn't be bad cops. It shouldn't matter who you get, the
response should be the same. The police forces around the US are really
badly trained. There's some interesting footage from a few years ago of the >> FBI coming over to Scotland being shocked at how well unarmed police
officers - the norm over here - are at subduing an armed attacker. No guns, >> tasers or beatings required.
It comes down to how they are organised at the local level. We have 43 police forces in this country (60 million people). In the US, there are more than 15,000 separate police departments for only five or six times our population. Little surprise then that there are so many bad ones - there is no oversight.
I don't know the exact way it works, but it seems any local area can decide (by vote I suppose) to "incorporate" and become a "city". that then has the authority to have a mayor, a police department, a fire department, etc, with a
large degree of autonomy. In this country, the local government status of any area is set by central government. Not so there. Trouble is, that's so fundamental to the way they think that I can't see it changing, nor their policing improving.
On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 23:33:12 UTC, David Brooks wrote:life.
On 15/02/2023 13:31, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 07:52:45 UTC, David Brooks wrote:
On 15/02/2023 02:19, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 16:11, David Brooks wrote:You are spot-on, 'T'. 🙂
On 14/02/2023 22:33, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Thank you.
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keeping
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
I've never understood why an innocent individual would ever fight shy of >>>>>> providing proof of their identity.
People seems to forget that cops will risk their
lives to protect you when they do not even know
who you are. Now they have responsibility (laws
and procedures) towards us, which everyone
complains about when they don't follow them, but
folks do not seem to realize that we too have a
responsibility towards them to not make their
jobs more difficult.
I grew up around cops. This is the advice they
gave me. If you do not want to find out who
the bad cops are, do not treat them disrespectfully.
My uncle Rueben, my mother's brother, was a police officer in Sheffield. >>>> Her cousin, Tom, was a bobby in the London Met.
Their values were passed on down to me!
Doesn't really prove or mean much though does it.
David Carrick was a bobby in the London Met.
David Carrick, who believed his position as a Metropolitan police officer made him “untouchable” as he raped, assaulted and inflicted “irretrievable destruction” on at least 12 women before intimidating them into silence, has been jailed for
I'm afraid it's something that you simply have to learn for yourself, Dave.
The firearms officer, entrusted to guard parliament and diplomatic sites after the Met missed clue after clue about the danger he posed, will spend at least 30 more years in prison for his 17-year spree of crimes.
So explain to me why you have these strange beliefs including what a good peron the above is or God or his followers.
Bit late if that person murders you when you go there for help.
But you still haven't answered the question why do you think David Carrick or anyone is a good or bad person ?
Do you claim it's the job they are employed to do , the colour of their eyes , skin, hair, football team or what ?
What was it like the very /first/ time this happened to you?Try sitting quietly for half an hour in one or two of London's churches.
That might help you 'see the light'!
I'm afraid I'm a little too old to be bent over a pew and have some priest bugger me.
On Feb 14, 2023 at 7:19:28 PM MST, "T" wrote <tshffg$1tvr7$17@dont-email.me>:
On 2/14/23 16:11, David Brooks wrote:
On 14/02/2023 22:33, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Thank you.
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keeping
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
I've never understood why an innocent individual would ever fight shy of >>> providing proof of their identity.
People seems to forget that cops will risk their
lives to protect you when they do not even know
who you are.
Sometimes. Yes. That does not excuse poor behavior.
Now they have responsibility (laws
and procedures) towards us, which everyone
complains about when they don't follow them, but
folks do not seem to realize that we too have a
responsibility towards them to not make their
jobs more difficult.
I grew up around cops. This is the advice they
gave me. If you do not want to find out who
the bad cops are, do not treat them disrespectfully.
And do not be black or Hispanic or Muslim.
People seems to forget that cops will risk their
lives to protect you when they do not even know
who you are.
Sometimes. Yes. That does not excuse poor behavior.
No it does not excuse bad behavior on their part.
At the same time, it does not excuse your bad behavior either. You are
a fool if your test them.
Now they have responsibility (laws
and procedures) towards us, which everyone
complains about when they don't follow them, but
folks do not seem to realize that we too have a
responsibility towards them to not make their
jobs more difficult.
I grew up around cops. This is the advice they
gave me. If you do not want to find out who
the bad cops are, do not treat them disrespectfully.
And do not be black or Hispanic or Muslim.
You are less likely in that case as they are afraid
of legal kicks back, risking injury to themselves.
The exception is black police officers who don't
care and will put you down if threatened.
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:42:51 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsh2pb$1tvr7$14@dont-email.me>:
On 2/14/23 11:07, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 12:01:04 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
<tfmnuhtim0qsh0jbqr0ctb5v5cvjuhh792@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/13/23 20:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have >>>>>>> ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an >>>>>>> ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to >>>>>>> vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and >>>>>>> their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that >>>>>>> doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games.
Lets see, they are smart enough to show ID
to get prescription drugs, they are smart
enough to show ID to by alcohol, they are smart
enough to show their drivers license to
a traffic cop, they are smart enough to
show ID to get into an NFL game, they
are smart enough to show ID to FLY, they
are smart enough to show ID to get the clot
shot, but they are TOO STUPID to show ID
to vote. OH NO INSULT THERE!
I'd like to see some of these folks. Do
they walk on all fours?
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not >>>> about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
The whole idea of it being tied to intelligence was a red herring. Literally
nobody suggested that.
Meaning the idea of races being of different IQs came from T, but then he >>> tried to place it on others.
You have not been listening to Leftists too close.
It is all about using the race card to protect
VOTER FRAUD.
How is making it easy for citizens to vote in any way tied to fraud?
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not
about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
Yup. Most of the states that require ID to vote
will give you one for free. Georgia for instance,
To survive in this country, you must have ID. You
can't rent a house/apartment, you can't get welfare,
you can't drive, you can't get a banking/checking
account. And on and on and so forth.
These laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
You are wrong, the only people who actually in any measurable way
attempt voter fraud are actually on the *right*, ironically enough,
ones on the left who attempt it are generally caught in the act,
you're making a fake issue out of thin air. You might as well claim
that Trump won the 2020 election, with the retardedness you're
displaying here.
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
Meaning the idea of races being of different IQs came from T, but then he >>>> tried to place it on others.
You have not been listening to Leftists too close.
It is all about using the race card to protect
VOTER FRAUD.
How is making it easy for citizens to vote in any way tied to fraud?
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat.
The Democrat party has been
know for busing folks around doing this.
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:41:39 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsh2n3$1tvr7$13@dont-email.me>:
On 2/14/23 11:01, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not
about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
Yup. Most of the states that require ID to vote
will give you one for free. Georgia for instance,
To survive in this country, you must have ID. You
can't rent a house/apartment, you can't get welfare,
you can't drive, you can't get a banking/checking
account. And on and on and so forth.
These laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
Your claims are contrary to evidence.
https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:23:29 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmhe1$3d1d8$4@dont-email.me>:
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
Meaning the idea of races being of different IQs came from T, but then he >>>>> tried to place it on others.
You have not been listening to Leftists too close.
It is all about using the race card to protect
VOTER FRAUD.
How is making it easy for citizens to vote in any way tied to fraud?
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat.
Where do they allow people to vote at more than one polling place? If I do not
vote by mail there is one and only one place I can go. Only one place that has
my name.
The Democrat party has been
know for busing folks around doing this.
Reputable source to back this? Alex Jones does not count.
On 2/14/23 16:04, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not >>>> about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
Yup. Most of the states that require ID to vote
will give you one for free. Georgia for instance,
To survive in this country, you must have ID. You
can't rent a house/apartment, you can't get welfare,
you can't drive, you can't get a banking/checking
account. And on and on and so forth.
These laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
You are wrong, the only people who actually in any measurable way
attempt voter fraud are actually on the *right*, ironically enough,
ones on the left who attempt it are generally caught in the act,
you're making a fake issue out of thin air. You might as well claim
that Trump won the 2020 election, with the retardedness you're
displaying here.
Interesting propaganda narrative.
Hmmmmm. Who did all those 140 people
vote for in the 2020 election? We
did break a record.
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:24:49 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmhgh$3d1d8$5@dont-email.me>:
On 2/14/23 16:04, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some* >>>>> people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not >>>>> about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that >>>>> IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
Yup. Most of the states that require ID to vote
will give you one for free. Georgia for instance,
To survive in this country, you must have ID. You
can't rent a house/apartment, you can't get welfare,
you can't drive, you can't get a banking/checking
account. And on and on and so forth.
These laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
You are wrong, the only people who actually in any measurable way
attempt voter fraud are actually on the *right*, ironically enough,
ones on the left who attempt it are generally caught in the act,
you're making a fake issue out of thin air. You might as well claim
that Trump won the 2020 election, with the retardedness you're
displaying here.
Interesting propaganda narrative.
Hmmmmm. Who did all those 140 people
vote for in the 2020 election? We
did break a record.
Show examples of voter fraud from either party. Voter fraud that is well documented and where someone was convicted of a crime.
You are wrong, the only people who actually in any measurable way
attempt voter fraud are actually on the *right*, ironically enough,
ones on the left who attempt it are generally caught in the act,
you're making a fake issue out of thin air. You might as well claim
that Trump won the 2020 election, with the retardedness you're
displaying here.
Interesting propaganda narrative.
Hmmmmm. Who did all those 140 people
vote for in the 2020 election? We
did break a record.
Show examples of voter fraud from either party. Voter fraud that is well
documented and where someone was convicted of a crime.
You would not accept it, so I am not going to put
the effort into it.
On 2/14/23 17:29, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:41:39 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsh2n3$1tvr7$13@dont-email.me>:
On 2/14/23 11:01, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not >>>> about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
Yup. Most of the states that require ID to vote
will give you one for free. Georgia for instance,
To survive in this country, you must have ID. You
can't rent a house/apartment, you can't get welfare,
you can't drive, you can't get a banking/checking
account. And on and on and so forth.
These laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
Your claims are contrary to evidence.
https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
Oh ya. The aclu.
Hmmmm. That would be the
organization the was founded to protect left
wing speech until the dictatorship of the
proletariat could be established? No?
Of course they disagree!
They do some good things every so often though
On 2/14/23 06:16, Snit wrote:
This is done to deny the poor and minorities, in general,
the right to vote.
Which is it? Race card or no race card?
There is tons of evidence.Open to it.
But you instead make excuses.
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat.
The Democrat party has been
know for busing folks around doing this.
On 2/16/23 16:32, Snit wrote:
There is tons of evidence.Open to it.
But you instead make excuses.
Just use to dealing with the woke.
And if
I seriously do not think you were open to it,
or I would.
By they way, my cheat-by-mail vote in 2020
was not counted, as were a lot of other
Republicans in my area. Hmmmmmm. Guess
you think I am lying.
In article <tsmhqk$3d1d8$8@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Show examples of voter fraud from either party. Voter fraud that is well >>> documented and where someone was convicted of a crime.
You would not accept it, so I am not going to put
the effort into it.
translated: you don't actually have any evidence.
In article <tsmhe1$3d1d8$4@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat.
that is guaranteed to fail.
The Democrat party has been
know for busing folks around doing this.
utter rubbish.
This is done to deny the poor and minorities, in general,
the right to vote.
On 2/16/23 16:27, Snit wrote:
Show examples of voter fraud from either party. Voter fraud that is well
documented and where someone was convicted of a crime.
You would not accept it, so I am not going to put
the effort into it.
On 2/14/23 17:26, Snit wrote:
How is making it easy for citizens to vote in any way tied to fraud?
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat. The Democrat party has been
know for busing folks around doing this.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/14/23 17:26, Snit wrote:
How is making it easy for citizens to vote in any way tied to fraud?
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat. The Democrat party has been
know for busing folks around doing this.
If a person did that, they would get caught. You are full of *SHIT*.
Shut the fuck up, you are a lying right-wing moron, probably an avowed racist, in reality.
On 2/14/23 17:29, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:41:39 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsh2n3$1tvr7$13@dont-email.me>:
These [voter ID] laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
Your claims are contrary to evidence.
https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
Oh ya. The aclu. Hmmmm. That would be the
organization the was founded to protect left
wing speech until the dictatorship of the
proletariat could be established? No?
Of course they disagree!
They do some good things every so often though
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat.
that is guaranteed to fail.
But there are those examples he cannot show.
If he finds 10 over the last decade I would be shocked. I doubt he will find one.
In article <HuAHL.13944$Kqu2.6690@fx01.iad>, Snit
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat.
that is guaranteed to fail.
But there are those examples he cannot show.
If he finds 10 over the last decade I would be shocked. I doubt he will find >> one.
nothing in this world is perfect and there will always be minor fraud
(in everything, not just with voting).
historically, it's usually republicans to attempt voter fraud.
but regardless of who might try, it's extremely rare that any attempt
would go unnoticed and alter the results of an election due to the
numerous checks and balances put in place to prevent that.
<https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-north-carolina/north-ca> rolina-republican-operative-charged-in-election-fraud-scheme-idUSKCN1QG2
Allegations that operatives working for Dowless illegally collected,
and sometimes filled in, absentee ballots on behalf of Republican
Mark Harris.
trump's former chief of staff, mark meadows, was registered to vote in
not one, not two, but in *three* different states.
<https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-meadows-registered-to-vote-in-3-states-at-once-2022-4>
According to state records reviewed by The Post's Fact Checker,
Meadows was registered to vote in North Carolina, South Carolina,
and Virginia.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/16/23 16:27, Snit wrote:
Show examples of voter fraud from either party. Voter fraud that is well >>> documented and where someone was convicted of a crime.
You would not accept it, so I am not going to put
the effort into it.
This bullshit misses the point, there are a handful of morons who get
busted committing voter fraud, the system works, there *ISN'T*,
however, a bunch of other people who get away with it, it doesn't
exist, it's Trump et al's *FICTION*, to explain away how they lost an election.
You have failed to demonstrate otherwise.
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:22:14 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsf29n$1tvr7$11@dont-email.me>:
On 2/13/23 17:51, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:And the Soviets claimed the problems with socialism was
By the way, Hitler himself claimed there was no
difference between National Socialism and Communism.
Look, Hitler wanted to control the world as a ruthless emperor,
that the ENTIRE world had not adopted it. They were
also after world conquest.
By the way, the Soviets were arguable more ruthless
than the Nazis based on body count. Marxists butchers
all the way around.
Is anyone here defending the Soviets or Socialism?
and his next life as Donald Trump has reimagined
how that could go,
You are repeating a lie. Trump increased freedom by
removing regulations, restrictions, and such.
Trump worked against the rights of Muslims, the LGBTQ+ community, etc.
That is
the opposite of a dictator. And Trump was NOT a
Marxist or any strain of a socialist.
He was a fascist.
https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/stg103022dAPR-800x0.jpg
you
right-wing "Christians" are helping the white devils do this shit,
You are again repeating a lie. Christians believe all
men, including you, are made in God's image and likeness.
Christians hold all sorts of beliefs. Some good. Some bad.
it's pathetic. If you had any idea about the actual plan God has,
you'd be astounded at how *opposite* it really is from what you dream.
Again, you are swimming in a sea of lies and deceit.
Conservatives and Christians believe that the only
way to deal with racism is to judge other based
ONLY on their character.
This is clearly not the case.
We do not line up all the white kids on one
side of the room and all the non white kids
on the other and tell white kids that they are
doing something wicked to the side of the room
based on how they were born.
What is this in response to?
And we DO NOT
tell the kids on the other side of the room they
are unable to succeed due to something the
white kids are supposedly doing to them.
Again, what is this in response to?
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
Again, what is ThIS in response to?
Sounds like a bunch of straw men.
https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/afb020623dAPC-800x0.jpg
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:22:14 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsf29n$1tvr7$11@dont-email.me>:
On 2/13/23 17:51, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:And the Soviets claimed the problems with socialism was
By the way, Hitler himself claimed there was no
difference between National Socialism and Communism.
Look, Hitler wanted to control the world as a ruthless emperor,
that the ENTIRE world had not adopted it. They were
also after world conquest.
By the way, the Soviets were arguable more ruthless
than the Nazis based on body count. Marxists butchers
all the way around.
Is anyone here defending the Soviets or Socialism?
and his next life as Donald Trump has reimagined
how that could go,
You are repeating a lie. Trump increased freedom by
removing regulations, restrictions, and such.
Trump worked against the rights of Muslims, the LGBTQ+ community, etc.
That is
the opposite of a dictator. And Trump was NOT a
Marxist or any strain of a socialist.
He was a fascist.
Conservatives and Christians believe that the only
way to deal with racism is to judge other based
ONLY on their character.
This is clearly not the case.
We do not line up all the white kids on one
side of the room and all the non white kids
on the other and tell white kids that they are
doing something wicked to the side of the room
based on how they were born.
What is this in response to?
And we DO NOT
tell the kids on the other side of the room they
are unable to succeed due to something the
white kids are supposedly doing to them.
Again, what is this in response to?
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
Again, what is ThIS in response to?
Sounds like a bunch of straw men.
https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/afb020623dAPC-800x0.jpg
Don't believe me, just try and find a single
instance of Trump being a racist.
Oh please
tell me you have seen the ENTIRE video of
Trump's Charlottesville statement!
On 2/13/23 20:30, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:22:14 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsf29n$1tvr7$11@dont-email.me>:
By the way, the Soviets were arguable more ruthless
than the Nazis based on body count. Marxists butchers
all the way around.
Is anyone here defending the Soviets or Socialism?
You are defending the propaganda narrative that
the Nazis were right wing. They only difference
between the Nazis and the Soviets was the
language they spoke.
https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/afb020623dAPC-800x0.jpg
You are swimming in a sea of lies and deceit.
Don't believe me, just try and find a single
instance of Trump being a racist. Oh please
tell me you have seen the ENTIRE video of
Trump's Charlottesville statement!
On Feb 16, 2023 at 8:07:53 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmr29$3d1d7$1@dont-email.me>:
On 2/13/23 20:30, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:22:14 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsf29n$1tvr7$11@dont-email.me>:
On 2/13/23 17:51, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:And the Soviets claimed the problems with socialism was
By the way, Hitler himself claimed there was no
difference between National Socialism and Communism.
Look, Hitler wanted to control the world as a ruthless emperor,
that the ENTIRE world had not adopted it. They were
also after world conquest.
By the way, the Soviets were arguable more ruthless
than the Nazis based on body count. Marxists butchers
all the way around.
Is anyone here defending the Soviets or Socialism?
You ignored this question and posted claims that are unsupported, and contrary
to all provided evidence.
You are defending the propaganda narrative that
the Nazis were right wing. They only difference
between the Nazis and the Soviets was the
language they spoke.
and his next life as Donald Trump has reimagined
how that could go,
You are repeating a lie. Trump increased freedom by
removing regulations, restrictions, and such.
Trump worked against the rights of Muslims, the LGBTQ+ community, etc.
Absolute nonsense. That is a propaganda narrative.
Shall we look at the evidence?
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+bigotry+list
Pick your favorite source.
That is
the opposite of a dictator. And Trump was NOT a
Marxist or any strain of a socialist.
He was a fascist.
You ignored this.
First you do not know what a Nazis is, not you do not know what a Fascist is >>
I will expound in a new thread.
Conservatives and Christians believe that the only
way to deal with racism is to judge other based
ONLY on their character.
This is clearly not the case.
You ignored this.
Propaganda narrative again.
We do not line up all the white kids on one
side of the room and all the non white kids
on the other and tell white kids that they are
doing something wicked to the side of the room
based on how they were born.
What is this in response to?
You ignored this.
This is Racism on display. Wokies are extremely
racist.
And we DO NOT
tell the kids on the other side of the room they
are unable to succeed due to something the
white kids are supposedly doing to them.
Again, what is this in response to?
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
Again, what is ThIS in response to?
Sounds like a bunch of straw men.
https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/afb020623dAPC-800x0.jpg
You are swimming in a sea of lies and deceit.
Don't believe me, just try and find a single
instance of Trump being a racist.
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+bigotry+list
I mean, really, is that so hard to do?
Oh please
tell me you have seen the ENTIRE video of
Trump's Charlottesville statement!
I have.
In article <tsmr29$3d1d7$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Don't believe me, just try and find a single
instance of Trump being a racist.
why stop at just one?
<https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history>
<https://gen.medium.com/trump-keeps-saying-racist-things-heres-the-ever-growing-list-of-examples-21774f6749a4>
Oh please
tell me you have seen the ENTIRE video of
Trump's Charlottesville statement!
that's one of them.
You are defending the propaganda narrative that
the Nazis were right wing. They only difference
between the Nazis and the Soviets was the
language they spoke.
Wrong, the Soviets for all their faults helped defeat the Nazis, it
wouldn't have happened without them in fact, you are getting railed
mentally by this white supremacy conspiracy, it's incredible in fact.
You are swimming in a sea of lies and deceit.https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/afb020623dAPC-800x0.jpg
Don't believe me, just try and find a single
instance of Trump being a racist. Oh please
tell me you have seen the ENTIRE video of
Trump's Charlottesville statement!
The cartoon is cute, I guess, but it doesn't actually make your case,
it's true that Tyre Nichols was murdered by black cops, but it does
derive from the power structure that enabled them to make him a
target, a truly bizarre case, and they will pay dearly for it, but in
any event, you are not looking at the simple facts about Trump. He
doesn't overtly say racist things, but you see white supremacist
people behind him all along, like when a January 6th rioter called a
black Capitol police officer the N-word.*WAKE UP*.
On 2/13/23 20:30, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:22:14 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsf29n$1tvr7$11@dont-email.me>:
On 2/13/23 17:51, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:And the Soviets claimed the problems with socialism was
By the way, Hitler himself claimed there was no
difference between National Socialism and Communism.
Look, Hitler wanted to control the world as a ruthless emperor,
that the ENTIRE world had not adopted it. They were
also after world conquest.
By the way, the Soviets were arguable more ruthless
than the Nazis based on body count. Marxists butchers
all the way around.
Is anyone here defending the Soviets or Socialism?
You are defending the propaganda narrative that
the Nazis were right wing. They only difference
between the Nazis and the Soviets was the
language they spoke.
and his next life as Donald Trump has reimagined
how that could go,
You are repeating a lie. Trump increased freedom by
removing regulations, restrictions, and such.
Trump worked against the rights of Muslims, the LGBTQ+ community, etc.
Absolute nonsense. That is a propaganda narrative.
That is
the opposite of a dictator. And Trump was NOT a
Marxist or any strain of a socialist.
He was a fascist.
First you do not know what a Nazis is, not you do not know what a Fascist is
I will expound in a new thread.
Conservatives and Christians believe that the only
way to deal with racism is to judge other based
ONLY on their character.
This is clearly not the case.
Propaganda narrative again.
We do not line up all the white kids on one
side of the room and all the non white kids
on the other and tell white kids that they are
doing something wicked to the side of the room
based on how they were born.
What is this in response to?
This is Racism on display. Wokies are extremely
racist.
And we DO NOT
tell the kids on the other side of the room they
are unable to succeed due to something the
white kids are supposedly doing to them.
Again, what is this in response to?
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
Again, what is ThIS in response to?
Sounds like a bunch of straw men.
https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/afb020623dAPC-800x0.jpg
You are swimming in a sea of lies and deceit.
Don't believe me, just try and find a single
instance of Trump being a racist.
Oh please
tell me you have seen the ENTIRE video of
Trump's Charlottesville statement!
On 2/16/23 19:21, Joel wrote:
You are defending the propaganda narrative that
the Nazis were right wing. They only difference
between the Nazis and the Soviets was the
language they spoke.
Wrong, the Soviets for all their faults helped defeat the Nazis, it
wouldn't have happened without them in fact, you are getting railed
mentally by this white supremacy conspiracy, it's incredible in fact.
Hitler's big mistake was to attack the Soviets.
Before that the Soviets and Nazis adored each other.
The attack also got Leftists, who also adored the
Nazis,
behind the war effort and England finally
could rearm.
And no, despite the Soviets and Nazis eventually hating
each other, the two were virtually identical. Folks
that loved under both frequently stated that the only difference was the language they spoke. Both
were Marxist Left Wing pigs. Virtually no difference
between them.
Just out of curiosity, do you consider the Soviets
to be "right Wing"?
There are racists in every crowd. And there were tons
of blacks/minorities working for Trump. You know,
the ones you racists called "uncle toms". Trump did
not tolerate racism.
The difference between your side and ours is that Trump
hired based on character and qualifications, not
unqualified idiots based on race, gender, weird
proclivities, etc..
There are racists in America or all colors. But
America is NOT a racist country. Ask your self
this, if America was a racist country, why would
folks be faking minority status to get ahead?
And who would watch a super ball football game
with 80% of the players being black?
On 2/16/23 21:27, Snit wrote:
On Feb 16, 2023 at 8:07:53 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmr29$3d1d7$1@dont-email.me>: >>
On 2/13/23 20:30, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:22:14 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsf29n$1tvr7$11@dont-email.me>:
On 2/13/23 17:51, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:And the Soviets claimed the problems with socialism was
By the way, Hitler himself claimed there was no
difference between National Socialism and Communism.
Look, Hitler wanted to control the world as a ruthless emperor,
that the ENTIRE world had not adopted it. They were
also after world conquest.
By the way, the Soviets were arguable more ruthless
than the Nazis based on body count. Marxists butchers
all the way around.
Is anyone here defending the Soviets or Socialism?
You ignored this question and posted claims that are unsupported, and contrary
to all provided evidence.
You are defending the propaganda narrative that
the Nazis were right wing. They only difference
between the Nazis and the Soviets was the
language they spoke.
and his next life as Donald Trump has reimagined
how that could go,
You are repeating a lie. Trump increased freedom by
removing regulations, restrictions, and such.
Trump worked against the rights of Muslims, the LGBTQ+ community, etc.
Absolute nonsense. That is a propaganda narrative.
Shall we look at the evidence?
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+bigotry+list
Pick your favorite source.
That is
the opposite of a dictator. And Trump was NOT a
Marxist or any strain of a socialist.
He was a fascist.
You ignored this.
First you do not know what a Nazis is, not you do not know what a Fascist is
I will expound in a new thread.
Conservatives and Christians believe that the only
way to deal with racism is to judge other based
ONLY on their character.
This is clearly not the case.
You ignored this.
Propaganda narrative again.
We do not line up all the white kids on one
side of the room and all the non white kids
on the other and tell white kids that they are
doing something wicked to the side of the room
based on how they were born.
What is this in response to?
You ignored this.
This is Racism on display. Wokies are extremely
racist.
And we DO NOT
tell the kids on the other side of the room they
are unable to succeed due to something the
white kids are supposedly doing to them.
Again, what is this in response to?
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
Again, what is ThIS in response to?
Sounds like a bunch of straw men.
https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/afb020623dAPC-800x0.jpg
You are swimming in a sea of lies and deceit.
Don't believe me, just try and find a single
instance of Trump being a racist.
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+bigotry+list
I mean, really, is that so hard to do?
Oh please
tell me you have seen the ENTIRE video of
Trump's Charlottesville statement!
I have.
Snit. What a bunch of bull s***. You guys make that
stuff up and toss it at us. It is propaganda.
You are defending the propaganda narrative that
the Nazis were right wing. They only difference
between the Nazis and the Soviets was the
language they spoke.
Wrong, the Soviets for all their faults helped defeat the Nazis, it
wouldn't have happened without them in fact, you are getting railed
mentally by this white supremacy conspiracy, it's incredible in fact.
Hitler's big mistake was to attack the Soviets.
Before that the Soviets and Nazis adored each other.
The attack also got Leftists, who also adored the
Nazis, behind the war effort and England finally
could rearm.
And no, despite the Soviets and Nazis eventually hating
each other, the two were virtually identical. Folks
that loved under both frequently stated that the only difference was the >language they spoke. Both
were Marxist Left Wing pigs. Virtually no difference
between them.
Just out of curiosity, do you consider the Soviets
to be "right Wing"?
You are swimming in a sea of lies and deceit.https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/afb020623dAPC-800x0.jpg
Don't believe me, just try and find a single
instance of Trump being a racist. Oh please
tell me you have seen the ENTIRE video of
Trump's Charlottesville statement!
The cartoon is cute, I guess, but it doesn't actually make your case,
it's true that Tyre Nichols was murdered by black cops, but it does
derive from the power structure that enabled them to make him a
target, a truly bizarre case, and they will pay dearly for it, but in
any event, you are not looking at the simple facts about Trump. He
doesn't overtly say racist things, but you see white supremacist
people behind him all along, like when a January 6th rioter called a
black Capitol police officer the N-word.*WAKE UP*.
Oh so the "power structure" did that. Oh NOTHING to
do with the defund the police movement and the general
disrespect for the police that caused a mass early
retirement and no one qualified wanted to join, forcing
them to dramatically lower their standards in hiring.
Oh nothing at all!!! Leftists/wokies control that
city. They ARE the power structure. Don't go
blaming white people. They got what they voted for.
There are racists in every crowd. And there were tons
of blacks/minorities working for Trump. You know,
the ones you racists called "uncle toms". Trump did
not tolerate racism.
The difference between your side and ours is that Trump
hired based on character and qualifications, not
unqualified idiots based on race, gender, weird
proclivities, etc..
There are racists in America or all colors. But
America is NOT a racist country. Ask your self
this, if America was a racist country, why would
folks be faking minority status to get ahead?
And who would watch a super ball football game
with 80% of the players being black?
And as far as racism goes, not stopping BLM's
"peaceful" demonstrations in their tracks did
more damage to those black communities: business
ruined and/or moves, jobs dried up, lack of policing
causing black forks to live in terror, having
to go to the other side of town to buy food,
etc., etc, THAN ANY WHITE SUPREMACIST W-I-L-D-E-S-T
DREAMS! We need to seriously look at who the real
racists here are. Wokies are the real racists.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/14/23 17:29, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:41:39 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsh2n3$1tvr7$13@dont-email.me>:
These [voter ID] laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
Your claims are contrary to evidence.
https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
Oh ya. The aclu. Hmmmm. That would be the
organization the was founded to protect left
wing speech until the dictatorship of the
proletariat could be established? No?
Of course they disagree!
They do some good things every so often though
You may not like the ACLU (but that'd say a lot more about you than it
would about anyone else), but they are simply explaining simple,
logical truths about this issue, there isn't a material problem with
people using others' identities to vote, it doesn't *EXIST*, because
they would get *CAUGHT*, in almost every case. It is a lie. Voter ID
is disenfranchisement, in its *ENTIRETY*.
On 2/14/23 17:26, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:42:51 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsh2pb$1tvr7$14@dont-email.me>:
On 2/14/23 11:07, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 12:01:04 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
<tfmnuhtim0qsh0jbqr0ctb5v5cvjuhh792@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/13/23 20:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wroteLets see, they are smart enough to show ID
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have >>>>>>>> ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an >>>>>>>> ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to >>>>>>>> vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and >>>>>>>> their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that >>>>>>>> doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games. >>>>>>
to get prescription drugs, they are smart
enough to show ID to by alcohol, they are smart
enough to show their drivers license to
a traffic cop, they are smart enough to
show ID to get into an NFL game, they
are smart enough to show ID to FLY, they
are smart enough to show ID to get the clot
shot, but they are TOO STUPID to show ID
to vote. OH NO INSULT THERE!
I'd like to see some of these folks. Do
they walk on all fours?
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some* >>>>> people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not >>>>> about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that >>>>> IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
The whole idea of it being tied to intelligence was a red herring. Literally
nobody suggested that.
Meaning the idea of races being of different IQs came from T, but then he >>>> tried to place it on others.
You have not been listening to Leftists too close.
It is all about using the race card to protect
VOTER FRAUD.
How is making it easy for citizens to vote in any way tied to fraud?
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat. The Democrat party has been
know for busing folks around doing this.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/14/23 17:26, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:42:51 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsh2pb$1tvr7$14@dont-email.me>:
On 2/14/23 11:07, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 12:01:04 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
<tfmnuhtim0qsh0jbqr0ctb5v5cvjuhh792@4ax.com>:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/13/23 20:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:28:27 PM MST, "Joel" wroteLets see, they are smart enough to show ID
As for voter ID, it has nothing to do with saying blacks don't have >>>>>>>>> ID, it has to do with specific people who have a problem obtaining an >>>>>>>>> ID, most blacks *do* have ID, but like whites, they don't need it to >>>>>>>>> vote, because they can just tell the poll worker who they are, and >>>>>>>>> their registration will be looked up. You are creating a problem that
doesn't actually exist by demanding ID to vote.
And he ignores how they target poor black areas and demand IDs that can only
be gotten outside of their area and play all sorts of other games. >>>>>>>
to get prescription drugs, they are smart
enough to show ID to by alcohol, they are smart
enough to show their drivers license to
a traffic cop, they are smart enough to
show ID to get into an NFL game, they
are smart enough to show ID to FLY, they
are smart enough to show ID to get the clot
shot, but they are TOO STUPID to show ID
to vote. OH NO INSULT THERE!
I'd like to see some of these folks. Do
they walk on all fours?
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some* >>>>>> people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not >>>>>> about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that >>>>>> IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
The whole idea of it being tied to intelligence was a red herring. Literally
nobody suggested that.
Meaning the idea of races being of different IQs came from T, but then he >>>>> tried to place it on others.
You have not been listening to Leftists too close.
It is all about using the race card to protect
VOTER FRAUD.
How is making it easy for citizens to vote in any way tied to fraud?
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat. The Democrat party has been
know for busing folks around doing this.
Of course you have no evidence to support this.
Hysterically, after all the claims of voter fraud by the screeching GOP in 2020 very, very few cases were found and just as many cases in support of republican candidates as well as democrat ones.
There's no conspiracy. You're just butthurt.
https://news.yahoo.com/ap-looked-2020-vote-fraud-120554815.html
On 2/16/23 16:27, Snit wrote:
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:24:49 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmhgh$3d1d8$5...@dont-email.me>:
On 2/14/23 16:04, Joel wrote:
T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some* >>>>> people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not >>>>> about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that >>>>> IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
Yup. Most of the states that require ID to vote
will give you one for free. Georgia for instance,
To survive in this country, you must have ID. You
can't rent a house/apartment, you can't get welfare,
you can't drive, you can't get a banking/checking
account. And on and on and so forth.
These laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
You are wrong, the only people who actually in any measurable way
attempt voter fraud are actually on the *right*, ironically enough,
ones on the left who attempt it are generally caught in the act,
you're making a fake issue out of thin air. You might as well claim
that Trump won the 2020 election, with the retardedness you're
displaying here.
Interesting propaganda narrative.
Hmmmmm. Who did all those 140 people
vote for in the 2020 election? We
did break a record.
Show examples of voter fraud from either party. Voter fraud that is well documented and where someone was convicted of a crime.
You would not accept it, so I am not going to put
the effort into it.
On 2/14/23 16:04, Joel wrote:
T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Let me try again. Most blacks, like most whites, do have ID. *Some*
people don't have the necessary documents to get this kind of ID,
though, and these laws are designed to disenfranchise them. It is not
about being somehow intelligent enough to show ID, anyone can do that
IF THEY HAVE THE FUCKING ID. Which, again, not everyone does.
Do you fucking get it?
Yup. Most of the states that require ID to vote
will give you one for free. Georgia for instance,
To survive in this country, you must have ID. You
can't rent a house/apartment, you can't get welfare,
you can't drive, you can't get a banking/checking
account. And on and on and so forth.
These laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
You are wrong, the only people who actually in any measurable way
attempt voter fraud are actually on the *right*, ironically enough,
ones on the left who attempt it are generally caught in the act,
you're making a fake issue out of thin air. You might as well claim
that Trump won the 2020 election, with the retardedness you're
displaying here.
Interesting propaganda narrative.
Hmmmmm. Who did all those 140 people
vote for in the 2020 election?
We
did break a record.
On 2/16/23 16:32, Snit wrote:
There is tons of evidence.Open to it.
But you instead make excuses.
Just use to dealing with the woke. And if
I seriously do not think you were open to it,
or I would.
By they way, my cheat-by-mail vote in 2020
was not counted, as were a lot of other
Republicans in my area. Hmmmmmm. Guess
you think I am lying.
On 2/16/23 16:32, Snit wrote:
There is tons of evidence.Open to it.
But you instead make excuses.
Just use to dealing with the woke. And if
I seriously do not think you were open to it,
or I would.
By they way, my cheat-by-mail vote in 2020
was not counted, as were a lot of other
Republicans in my area. Hmmmmmm. Guess
you think I am lying.
On 2/16/23 16:24, Snit wrote:
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:23:29 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmhe1$3d1d8$4@dont-email.me>: >>
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
Meaning the idea of races being of different IQs came from T, but then he
tried to place it on others.
You have not been listening to Leftists too close.
It is all about using the race card to protect
VOTER FRAUD.
How is making it easy for citizens to vote in any way tied to fraud?
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat.
Where do they allow people to vote at more than one polling place? If I do not
vote by mail there is one and only one place I can go. Only one place that has
my name.
The Democrat party has been
know for busing folks around doing this.
Reputable source to back this? Alex Jones does not count.
There is tons of evidence.
On 2/16/23 21:27, Snit wrote:
On Feb 16, 2023 at 8:07:53 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmr29$3d1d7$1@dont-email.me>: >>
On 2/13/23 20:30, Snit wrote:
On Feb 13, 2023 at 9:22:14 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsf29n$1tvr7$11@dont-email.me>:
On 2/13/23 17:51, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:And the Soviets claimed the problems with socialism was
By the way, Hitler himself claimed there was no
difference between National Socialism and Communism.
Look, Hitler wanted to control the world as a ruthless emperor,
that the ENTIRE world had not adopted it. They were
also after world conquest.
By the way, the Soviets were arguable more ruthless
than the Nazis based on body count. Marxists butchers
all the way around.
Is anyone here defending the Soviets or Socialism?
You ignored this question and posted claims that are unsupported, and contrary
to all provided evidence.
You are defending the propaganda narrative that
the Nazis were right wing. They only difference
between the Nazis and the Soviets was the
language they spoke.
and his next life as Donald Trump has reimagined
how that could go,
You are repeating a lie. Trump increased freedom by
removing regulations, restrictions, and such.
Trump worked against the rights of Muslims, the LGBTQ+ community, etc.
Absolute nonsense. That is a propaganda narrative.
Shall we look at the evidence?
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+bigotry+list
Pick your favorite source.
That is
the opposite of a dictator. And Trump was NOT a
Marxist or any strain of a socialist.
He was a fascist.
You ignored this.
First you do not know what a Nazis is, not you do not know what a Fascist is
I will expound in a new thread.
Conservatives and Christians believe that the only
way to deal with racism is to judge other based
ONLY on their character.
This is clearly not the case.
You ignored this.
Propaganda narrative again.
We do not line up all the white kids on one
side of the room and all the non white kids
on the other and tell white kids that they are
doing something wicked to the side of the room
based on how they were born.
What is this in response to?
You ignored this.
This is Racism on display. Wokies are extremely
racist.
And we DO NOT
tell the kids on the other side of the room they
are unable to succeed due to something the
white kids are supposedly doing to them.
Again, what is this in response to?
We also do not tell our black citizens that they
are TOO STUPID to show ID to vote.
Again, what is ThIS in response to?
Sounds like a bunch of straw men.
https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/afb020623dAPC-800x0.jpg
You are swimming in a sea of lies and deceit.
Don't believe me, just try and find a single
instance of Trump being a racist.
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+bigotry+list
I mean, really, is that so hard to do?
Oh please
tell me you have seen the ENTIRE video of
Trump's Charlottesville statement!
I have.
Snit. What a bunch of bull s***. You guys make that
stuff up and toss it at us. It is propaganda.
On 2/14/23 23:52, David Brooks wrote:
On 15/02/2023 02:19, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 16:11, David Brooks wrote:
On 14/02/2023 22:33, T wrote:
On 2/14/23 02:32, David Brooks wrote:
Is it mandatory in the USA to carry an identity card?
Hi David,
It depends on the state. Here is a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Thank you.
Mine (Nevada) requires it. Driver's license works
perfectly.
But even in the states that do not require it, keeping
in mind that we specifically pay them to be suspicious,
if a cop asks you for ID, it is the better part of
wisdom not get on their bad side.
I've never understood why an innocent individual would ever fight
shy of
providing proof of their identity.
People seems to forget that cops will risk their
lives to protect you when they do not even know
who you are. Now they have responsibility (laws
and procedures) towards us, which everyone
complains about when they don't follow them, but
folks do not seem to realize that we too have a
responsibility towards them to not make their
jobs more difficult.
I grew up around cops. This is the advice they
gave me. If you do not want to find out who
the bad cops are, do not treat them disrespectfully.
You are spot-on, 'T'. 🙂
My uncle Rueben, my mother's brother, was a police officer in
Sheffield. Her cousin, Tom, was a bobby in the London Met.
Their values were passed on down to me!
Here is a hysterical video by Chris Rock
How To Not Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police: 4:46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY
On 2/14/23 06:24, David Brooks wrote:
That's just plain wrong. Everyone who votes should be able to prove
who they are.
And they are. This is just dirty politics.
I've just watched the Netflix movie. I had no idea that if someone was incarcerated they would never be allowed to vote again. That must be wrong.
In article <KASHL.139881$SdR7.74128@fx04.iad>, David Brooks <DavidB@a.new.address> wrote:
I've just watched the Netflix movie. I had no idea that if someone was
incarcerated they would never be allowed to vote again. That must be wrong.
it is wrong.
it depends on the state. some states revoke it permanently, some not at
all and some in between.
On 2/16/23 17:05, Snit wrote:
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:40:41 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmie9$3d1d8$11@dont-email.me>:
On 2/16/23 16:32, Snit wrote:
There is tons of evidence.Open to it.
But you instead make excuses.
Just use to dealing with the woke.
You dodged. I have noticed those on the right often do this.
Again ,
just dealing with the woke: the single most
intolerant and close minded people on the face
of this earth.
I tend to just show evidence. And, yeah, then I predict you and Carroll will >> make excuses. But I give you a chance.
And if
I seriously do not think you were open to it,
or I would.
By they way, my cheat-by-mail vote in 2020
was not counted, as were a lot of other
Republicans in my area. Hmmmmmm. Guess
you think I am lying.
Cite?
Why would I cite myself?
The others appeared on the Leftist "Next Door"
right after the election. Their posts were
pretty quickly censored. They told me to go
to the secretary of states office to see if I
was counted. I was not.
Next Door censors anything Christian or
Conservative. They do not respect freedom
of speech or religion. Leftist are given a
complete pass. Needless to say to told them
to remove me from all their records.
One of my conservative customers got banned
for a year from Next Door.
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:40:41 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmie9$3d1d8$11@dont-email.me>:
On 2/16/23 16:32, Snit wrote:
There is tons of evidence.Open to it.
But you instead make excuses.
Just use to dealing with the woke.
You dodged. I have noticed those on the right often do this.
I tend to just show evidence. And, yeah, then I predict you and Carroll will make excuses. But I give you a chance.
And if
I seriously do not think you were open to it,
or I would.
By they way, my cheat-by-mail vote in 2020
was not counted, as were a lot of other
Republicans in my area. Hmmmmmm. Guess
you think I am lying.
Cite?
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/16/23 16:24, Snit wrote:
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:23:29 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmhe1$3d1d8$4@dont-email.me>:
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
Meaning the idea of races being of different IQs came from T, but then he
tried to place it on others.
You have not been listening to Leftists too close.
It is all about using the race card to protect
VOTER FRAUD.
How is making it easy for citizens to vote in any way tied to fraud? >>>>>
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat.
Where do they allow people to vote at more than one polling place? If I do not
vote by mail there is one and only one place I can go. Only one place that has
my name.
The Democrat party has been
know for busing folks around doing this.
Reputable source to back this? Alex Jones does not count.
There is tons of evidence.
You're right. Here's the biggest one. https://www.newsweek.com/trump-georgia-grand-jury-report-indictment-1781410
By they way, my cheat-by-mail vote in 2020
was not counted, as were a lot of other
Republicans in my area. Hmmmmmm. Guess
you think I am lying.
That would be a fair assessment, yes. Or you did it wrong.
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:30:12 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmhqk$3d1d8$8@dont-email.me>:
You are wrong, the only people who actually in any measurable way
attempt voter fraud are actually on the *right*, ironically enough,
ones on the left who attempt it are generally caught in the act,
you're making a fake issue out of thin air. You might as well claim >>>>> that Trump won the 2020 election, with the retardedness you're
displaying here.
Interesting propaganda narrative.
Hmmmmm. Who did all those 140 people
vote for in the 2020 election? We
did break a record.
Show examples of voter fraud from either party. Voter fraud that is well >>> documented and where someone was convicted of a crime.
You would not accept it, so I am not going to put
the effort into it.
I accept you have no examples to show. I set a standard... if you show it of course I would accept it. Geeeezus!
These laws make it more difficult for all people to vote, but do
so unequally. Black and other voters of color are less likely than
whites to be able to afford the material burdens of securing
qualifying identification, such as even getting to a motor
vehicles office to attain the identification required to vote.
-----
Does ANYONE think this is on accident?
On 2/16/23 17:05, Snit wrote:
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:40:41 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmie9$3d1d8$11@dont-email.me>:
By they way, my cheat-by-mail vote in 2020
was not counted, as were a lot of other
Republicans in my area. Hmmmmmm. Guess
you think I am lying.
Cite?
Why would I cite myself?
The others appeared on the Leftist "Next Door"
right after the election. Their posts were
pretty quickly censored. They told me to go
to the secretary of states office to see if I
was counted. I was not.
Next Door censors anything Christian or
Conservative. They do not respect freedom
of speech or religion. Leftist are given a
complete pass. Needless to say to told them
to remove me from all their records.
One of my conservative customers got banned
for a year from Next Door.
How do they drive a car?
How do you get a bus pass?
What do they show the traffic cop?
How do they rent an apartment or buy a house?
How to they get on a plane?
How to they get prescription drugs?
How do they get the Clot Shot?
How do they get a checking account?
How do the apply for Welfare?
How do they cash their welfare check?
How do they get into a football game?
how do they buy cigarettes and alcohol?
Shall I go on?
One of my conservative customers got banned
for a year from Next Door.
For?
On 2/17/23 17:59, Snit wrote:
One of my conservative customers got banned
for a year from Next Door.
For?
A remark he made about Biden
On 2/16/23 16:32, Snit wrote:
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:30:12 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmhqk$3d1d8$8@dont-email.me>: >>
You are wrong, the only people who actually in any measurable way
attempt voter fraud are actually on the *right*, ironically enough, >>>>>> ones on the left who attempt it are generally caught in the act,
you're making a fake issue out of thin air. You might as well claim >>>>>> that Trump won the 2020 election, with the retardedness you're
displaying here.
Interesting propaganda narrative.
Hmmmmm. Who did all those 140 people
vote for in the 2020 election? We
did break a record.
Show examples of voter fraud from either party. Voter fraud that is well >>>> documented and where someone was convicted of a crime.
You would not accept it, so I am not going to put
the effort into it.
I accept you have no examples to show. I set a standard... if you show it of >> course I would accept it. Geeeezus!
Snit,
I have done this for other wokies as well.
I
documented page after page. All they did
was attack the source. So I am not going
down that rat hole. Once, shame on you.
twice shame on me.
On 2/16/23 16:38, Snit wrote:
These laws make it more difficult for all people to vote, but do
so unequally. Black and other voters of color are less likely than
whites to be able to afford the material burdens of securing
qualifying identification, such as even getting to a motor
vehicles office to attain the identification required to vote.
-----
Does ANYONE think this is on accident?
How about does anyone think this is utter bull s***?
Your argument is a major insult to Blacks.
They are not too stupid or "burdened" to
show ID.
How do they drive a car?
How do you get a bus pass?
What do they show the traffic cop?
How do they rent an apartment or buy a house?
How to they get on a plane?
How to they get prescription drugs?
How do they get the Clot Shot?
How do they get a checking account?
How do the apply for Welfare?
How do they cash their welfare check?
How do they get into a football game?
how do they buy cigarettes and alcohol?
Shall I go on?
You can not survive in this society
without identification.
States bend
over backwards to help you get ID.
End cheat-by-mail.
Everyone show ID.
Everyone show up to vote, except those
that have applied for absentee ballots.
No more electronic voting. No more
dead people voting. No more cheating.
In article <tspd2h$3nunr$8@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
You would not accept it, so I am not going to put
the effort into it.
I accept you have no examples to show. I set a standard... if you show it of
course I would accept it. Geeeezus!
Snit,
I have done this for other wokies as well. I
documented page after page. All they did
was attack the source.
you mean like when you call anything that you don't like 'american
pravda' or 'wokies' ? pot meet kettle.
In article <tspbbo$3nuns$4@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Ha! American Pravda at it again.
the reality is that people debunked the content, and in many cases,
they used the sources *you* provided.
So I am not going
down that rat hole. Once, shame on you.
twice shame on me.
translated: you have nothing to back up your claims.
Sometimes. Yes. That does not excuse poor behavior.No it does not excuse bad behavior on their part.
At the same time, it does not excuse your bad behavior either. You are
a fool if your test them.
Oh, I absolutely think one should treat police with courtesy. No argument here.
On 2/16/23 16:21, Snit wrote:
Sometimes. Yes. That does not excuse poor behavior.No it does not excuse bad behavior on their part.
At the same time, it does not excuse your bad behavior either. You are
a fool if your test them.
Oh, I absolutely think one should treat police with courtesy. No argument
here.
We are in agreement!
On 2/16/23 16:40, Snit wrote:
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:35:56 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmi5c$3d1d8$9@dont-email.me>: >>
On 2/14/23 06:16, Snit wrote:
This is done to deny the poor and minorities, in general,
the right to vote.
Which is it? Race card or no race card?
It is noting that racism is wrong. Are you arguing against that?
https://dornsife.usc.edu/news/stories/3778/whether-a-voter-casts-a-ballot/ >> -----
In 35 states, voters must provide some form of physical
identification when they arrive to cast a ballot. In eight of
those states, the strictest rules apply, typically requiring
voters who arrive without a proper photo ID to take additional
action, such as bring one to the polling place later in the day,
before their vote will be counted.
-----
Funny that.., none of the other things listed as needing an ID require that. >>
-----
These laws make it more difficult for all people to vote, but do
so unequally. Black and other voters of color are less likely than
whites to be able to afford the material burdens of securing
qualifying identification, such as even getting to a motor
vehicles office to attain the identification required to vote.
-----
Does ANYONE think this is on accident?
-----
Further, research shows that minorities are more likely than
whites to be asked to actually present their ID at the polls.
-----
Again, anyone surprised?
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/voting-in-2020/why-minority-voters-have-a-lower-voter-turnout/
-----
Proponents advocate for the law under the guise of preventing
voter fraud and ensuring that only voter-eligible citizens partake
in elections; however, individuals who lack government-issued
identification are more likely to be younger, less educated, and
impoverished, and—most notably—nonwhite.
-----
Again... who would have guessed?
And if you do not like that source:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26529240
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/impact-voter-suppression-communities-color
If you believe racism is wrong, why are you
calling the race card?
And no, despite the Soviets and Nazis eventually hating
each other, the two were virtually identical. Folks
that loved under both frequently stated that the only difference was the
language they spoke. Both
were Marxist Left Wing pigs. Virtually no difference
between them.
A claim you will never support.
On 2/16/23 21:56, Snit wrote:
And no, despite the Soviets and Nazis eventually hating
each other, the two were virtually identical. Folks
that loved under both frequently stated that the only difference was the >>> language they spoke. Both
were Marxist Left Wing pigs. Virtually no difference
between them.
A claim you will never support.
Both were socialists and Marxists.
My direct quote comes from a Polish refugee that
was my customer for a time before he passed. He
lived under both the Nazis and the Soviets, He
had some blood curdling stories I will not go
into. His escape story was something to behold.
It was his statement that the only difference
was the language they spoke.
Anyway, to make you happy, I researched it a
little. The nearest was:
https://www.quora.com/When-the-Soviets-Liberated-Poland-from-the-Nazis-Did-the-Poles-see-the-Soviets-as-Liberators-or-simply-re-occupiers-Some-source-material-and-Quotes-would-great-as-well-Thanks
It is difficult because of the political correctness
of the search engines, but if I were to dig around
some more, I could probably get some more corroboration.
I have heard the same from several people on the
radio.
Just out of curiosity, do you consider the Soviets
to be "right Wing"?
Obviously not, for one thing even if we were talking about Nazi
Germany, it was a very different time and place, "right wing" is a
term we use today that would have little meaning to that.
On 2/16/23 21:56, Snit wrote:
Just out of curiosity, do you consider the Soviets
to be "right Wing"?
Evidence (though they did not fit exactly with the modern American right). >>
https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
-----
Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and
certainly not after 1934.
...
By the late 1920s, however, with the German economy in free fall,
Hitler had enlisted support from wealthy industrialists who sought
to pursue avowedly anti-socialist policies. Otto Strasser soon
recognized that the Nazis were neither a party of socialists nor a
party of workers, and in 1930 he broke away to form the
anti-capitalist Schwarze Front (Black Front).
...
Hitler allied himself with leaders of German conservative and
nationalist movements, and in January 1933 German President Paul
von Hindenburg appointed him chancellor. Hitler’s Third Reich had
been born, and it was entirely fascist in character. ... In April
1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from
the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the
following month.
...
Lest there be any remaining questions about the political
character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of
Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934,
during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of
socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished.
"Britannica" is being politically correct.
Here is a read for you:
https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1)
To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state,
not
a capitalist one. And (2) to show why socialism,
understood as an economic system based on government
ownership of the means of production, positively
requires a totalitarian dictatorship.
The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist
state was one of the many great contributions of
Ludwig von Mises.
When one remembers that the word "Nazi" was an
abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische
Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation:
the National Socialist German Workers' Party —
Mises's identification might not appear all that
noteworthy. For what should one expect the economic
system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist"
in its name to be but socialism?
What Mises identified was that private ownership
of the means of production existed in name only
under the Nazis and that the actual substance
of ownership of the means of production resided
in the German government.
For it was the German
government and not the nominal private owners that
exercised all of the substantive powers of
ownership: it, not the nominal private owners,
decided what was to be produced, in what quantity,
by what methods, and to whom it was to be
distributed, as well as what prices would be
charged and what wages would be paid, and what
dividends or other income the nominal private
owners would be permitted to receive. The position
of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was
reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
And as far as racism goes, not stopping BLM's
"peaceful" demonstrations in their tracks did
more damage to those black communities: business
ruined and/or moves, jobs dried up, lack of policing
causing black forks to live in terror, having
to go to the other side of town to buy food,
etc., etc, THAN ANY WHITE SUPREMACIST W-I-L-D-E-S-T
DREAMS! We need to seriously look at who the real
racists here are. Wokies are the real racists.
That's just propaganda.
On 2/16/23 22:32, Joel wrote:
Just out of curiosity, do you consider the Soviets
to be "right Wing"?
Obviously not, for one thing even if we were talking about Nazi
Germany, it was a very different time and place, "right wing" is a
term we use today that would have little meaning to that.
It pretty much meant the same thig it does
now as it did them.
On Feb 17, 2023 at 11:24:54 PM MST, "T" wrote <tspqvm$3nunr$12@dont-email.me>:
On 2/16/23 22:32, Joel wrote:
Just out of curiosity, do you consider the Soviets
to be "right Wing"?
Obviously not, for one thing even if we were talking about Nazi
Germany, it was a very different time and place, "right wing" is a
term we use today that would have little meaning to that.
It pretty much meant the same thig it does
now as it did them.
The world has changed and positions have changed. For example, many liberals did not back equal rights for gay marriage only a few years ago.
Keep in mind the main differences between liberal and conservative world views:
* Liberals: support equal rights and environmental protection, with a focus on
investing in the future and building a stronger tie between productivity and financial reward.
Liberals want evidence-based regulation and oversight to help ensure clean air
and water, safe food, and human rights. This includes following the scientific
evidence about climate change and food safety, and things like setting levels of lead and other harmful substances allowed, and even to wanting to do research to reduce the harm of tools such as cars and guns and swimming pools.
This is a form of control, and conservatives are right to note that. And they are right to note that sometimes these measures are taken too far.
* Conservative: support special entitlements for whites, Christians, males, heterosexuals, those in lower populated states, and the wealthy, with a focus on redistributing wealth to the very richest in the nation with the idea that this will somehow help others.
Conservatives want regulation and oversight based on their own feelings and what they believe has historically existed (which is often incorrect), or even
just based on their own religion. This includes controlling which consenting adults can marry each other, what a woman can do with her own body, and even insisting the government gets to define YOUR gender. They also work to create regulations on voting to limit who can vote, for if the people truly get a voice they know their ideas are less likely to be accepted. Liberals are right
to call conservatives out on this also being a form of control and, I think, a
less defensible one.
Hitler's biggest mistake was trying to fight a war on 2 fronts. Attacking the Soviet union,
especially with winter looming was another mistake. Synthetic tires on vehicles could not stand the
cold. the troops were ill prepared. Oil/fuel was another issue.
Trump engaged in plenty of bigotry: https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+bigotry+list
(To be fair, anyone watched on the national stage is at risk of having some comments slip into that nasty category, even if out of context, but Trump goes
heavily above and beyond).
You claimed conservatives and Christians judge only by the content of someone's character... but offered no evidence.
On 2/16/23 21:58, Snit wrote:
Trump engaged in plenty of bigotry:
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+bigotry+list
(To be fair, anyone watched on the national stage is at risk of having some >> comments slip into that nasty category, even if out of context, but Trump goes
heavily above and beyond).
If you wish to change my mind,
offer me video evidence in Trump's own
words of him acting like a racists.
Keep in mind the Wokies call anyone they disagree
with racists.
You claimed conservatives and Christians judge only by the content of
someone's character... but offered no evidence.
I am one.
I live around a lot of them.
I know tons
of them.
I know wokies hate us and lie their asses
off about us. The only racists I know are Democrats.
Again, show me actual video footage of Christians
and conservatives acting like racists.
On 2/17/23 22:28, Snit wrote:
On Feb 17, 2023 at 11:24:54 PM MST, "T" wrote <tspqvm$3nunr$12@dont-email.me>:
On 2/16/23 22:32, Joel wrote:
Just out of curiosity, do you consider the Soviets
to be "right Wing"?
Obviously not, for one thing even if we were talking about Nazi
Germany, it was a very different time and place, "right wing" is a
term we use today that would have little meaning to that.
It pretty much meant the same thig it does
now as it did them.
The world has changed and positions have changed. For example, many liberals >> did not back equal rights for gay marriage only a few years ago.
Keep in mind the main differences between liberal and conservative world
views:
* Liberals: support equal rights and environmental protection, with a focus on
investing in the future and building a stronger tie between productivity and >> financial reward.
Liberals want evidence-based regulation and oversight to help ensure clean air
and water, safe food, and human rights. This includes following the scientific
evidence about climate change and food safety, and things like setting levels
of lead and other harmful substances allowed, and even to wanting to do
research to reduce the harm of tools such as cars and guns and swimming pools.
This is a form of control, and conservatives are right to note that. And they
are right to note that sometimes these measures are taken too far.
* Conservative: support special entitlements for whites, Christians, males, >> heterosexuals, those in lower populated states, and the wealthy, with a focus
on redistributing wealth to the very richest in the nation with the idea that
this will somehow help others.
Conservatives want regulation and oversight based on their own feelings and >> what they believe has historically existed (which is often incorrect), or even
just based on their own religion. This includes controlling which consenting >> adults can marry each other, what a woman can do with her own body, and even >> insisting the government gets to define YOUR gender. They also work to create
regulations on voting to limit who can vote, for if the people truly get a >> voice they know their ideas are less likely to be accepted. Liberals are right
to call conservatives out on this also being a form of control and, I think, a
less defensible one.
Uhhh. That does not deserve a response!
On Feb 17, 2023 at 2:58:10 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <tsnj3i$3jg1s$2@dont-email.me>:
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/14/23 17:29, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:41:39 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsh2n3$1tvr7$13@dont-email.me>:Oh ya. The aclu. Hmmmm. That would be the
These [voter ID] laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
Your claims are contrary to evidence.
https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet >>>>
organization the was founded to protect left
wing speech until the dictatorship of the
proletariat could be established? No?
Of course they disagree!
They do some good things every so often though
You may not like the ACLU (but that'd say a lot more about you than it
would about anyone else), but they are simply explaining simple,
logical truths about this issue, there isn't a material problem with
people using others' identities to vote, it doesn't *EXIST*, because
they would get *CAUGHT*, in almost every case. It is a lie. Voter ID
is disenfranchisement, in its *ENTIRETY*.
Exactly. By enforcing it the republicans are, by happy coincidence,
disenfranchising the communities who are more likely to vote democrat.
Yes. Pure coincidence.
On 2/17/23 05:09, Chris wrote:
By they way, my cheat-by-mail vote in 2020
was not counted, as were a lot of other
Republicans in my area. Hmmmmmm. Guess
you think I am lying.
That would be a fair assessment, yes. Or you did it wrong.
Well then Chris, should I then return the
favor and consider EVERYTHING you say to
be a lie as well?
I did it correctly. I am 68 years old and
have voted in every election. I know how
to do it.
On 2/17/23 05:19, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/16/23 16:24, Snit wrote:
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:23:29 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmhe1$3d1d8$4@dont-email.me>:
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
Meaning the idea of races being of different IQs came from T, but then he
tried to place it on others.
You have not been listening to Leftists too close.
It is all about using the race card to protect
VOTER FRAUD.
How is making it easy for citizens to vote in any way tied to fraud? >>>>>>
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat.
Where do they allow people to vote at more than one polling place? If I do not
vote by mail there is one and only one place I can go. Only one place that has
my name.
The Democrat party has been
know for busing folks around doing this.
Reputable source to back this? Alex Jones does not count.
There is tons of evidence.
You're right. Here's the biggest one.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-georgia-grand-jury-report-indictment-1781410 >>
Ha! American Pravda at it again.
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/donald-trump-georgia-special-grand-jury/2023/02/16/id/1109019/
On 2/16/23 22:32, Joel wrote:
And as far as racism goes, not stopping BLM's
"peaceful" demonstrations in their tracks did
more damage to those black communities: business
ruined and/or moves, jobs dried up, lack of policing
causing black forks to live in terror, having
to go to the other side of town to buy food,
etc., etc, THAN ANY WHITE SUPREMACIST W-I-L-D-E-S-T
DREAMS! We need to seriously look at who the real
racists here are. Wokies are the real racists.
That's just propaganda.
So BLM did not ruin black neighborhoods?
Worse that the wildest imagination of
any skin head?
And those protests were peaseful too, huh
FBI data revealed the number of Memphis officers
dropped by nearly 20% from 2011 to 2017, while
crime rose by 26% in that period.
You don’t need to be a statistical genius to work
out the cause and effect.
On Feb 17, 2023 at 10:58:06 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsppde$3nunr$10@dont-email.me>:
"Britannica" is being politically correct.
It is a well respected source.
And you have no counter. I have evidence. You have... ramblings.
Here is a read for you:
https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
A libertarian non-profit. OK, we know they have a pretty significant bias.
My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1)
To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state,
It was not. So the very premise of what they are trying to show is not true.
When one remembers that the word "Nazi" was an
abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische
Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation:
the National Socialist German Workers' Party —
And China is the People's Republic of China. Does that make it a Republic?
On Feb 17, 2023 at 10:58:06 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsppde$3nunr$10@dont-email.me>:
"Britannica" is being politically correct.
It is a well respected source.
And you have no counter. I have evidence. You have... ramblings.
Here is a read for you:
https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
A libertarian non-profit. OK, we know they have a pretty significant bias.
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 17, 2023 at 2:58:10 AM MST, "Chris" wrote
<tsnj3i$3jg1s$2@dont-email.me>:
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/14/23 17:29, Snit wrote:
On Feb 14, 2023 at 3:41:39 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsh2n3$1tvr7$13@dont-email.me>:Oh ya. The aclu. Hmmmm. That would be the
These [voter ID] laws are not to disenfranchises anyone. They
are about VOTER FRAUD.
Your claims are contrary to evidence.
https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet >>>>>
organization the was founded to protect left
wing speech until the dictatorship of the
proletariat could be established? No?
Of course they disagree!
They do some good things every so often though
You may not like the ACLU (but that'd say a lot more about you than it >>>> would about anyone else), but they are simply explaining simple,
logical truths about this issue, there isn't a material problem with
people using others' identities to vote, it doesn't *EXIST*, because
they would get *CAUGHT*, in almost every case. It is a lie. Voter ID >>>> is disenfranchisement, in its *ENTIRETY*.
Exactly. By enforcing it the republicans are, by happy coincidence,
disenfranchising the communities who are more likely to vote democrat.
Yes. Pure coincidence.
Indeed no malice intended. At all. Nuh-uh.
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 17, 2023 at 10:58:06 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsppde$3nunr$10@dont-email.me>:
"Britannica" is being politically correct.
It is a well respected source.
And you have no counter. I have evidence. You have... ramblings.
Here is a read for you:
https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
A libertarian non-profit. OK, we know they have a pretty significant bias.
Yeah, here we go with Mr. T, again, being completely retarded. All I
had to do was check Wikipedia for info on the site he referenced, and
saw what you say, that it's a very slanted think tank, not a credible
source, all while he dismisses a likely more credible source.
Fuck this moron.
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 17, 2023 at 10:58:06 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsppde$3nunr$10@dont-email.me>:
"Britannica" is being politically correct.
It is a well respected source.
And you have no counter. I have evidence. You have... ramblings.
Here is a read for you:
https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
A libertarian non-profit. OK, we know they have a pretty significant bias. >>
My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1)
To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state,
It was not. So the very premise of what they are trying to show is not true. >>
When one remembers that the word "Nazi" was an
abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische
Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation:
the National Socialist German Workers' Party —
And China is the People's Republic of China. Does that make it a Republic?
And East Germany was the German Democratic Republic.
Names are often a projection to outsiders, a pretence, not the reality of what they actually are. The more extremist the organisation the less
accurate the name e.g. the American Freedom Party.
On Feb 17, 2023 at 7:23:07 PM MST, "T" wrote <tspcqc$3nunr$6@dont-email.me>:
On 2/17/23 17:59, Snit wrote:
One of my conservative customers got banned
for a year from Next Door.
For?
A remark he made about Biden
And what was that remark?
Nextdoor
has jack shit to do with your ballot being counted.
I did it correctly. I am 68 years old andEveryone makes mistakes sometimes. Adding extra layers of complications
have voted in every election. I know how
to do it.
will guarantee more will make them. The right to vote must be as inclusive
as possible.
On Feb 17, 2023 at 7:25:19 PM MST, "T" wrote <tspcuf$3nunr$7@dont-email.me>:
On 2/17/23 05:09, Chris wrote:
By they way, my cheat-by-mail vote in 2020
was not counted, as were a lot of other
Republicans in my area. Hmmmmmm. Guess
you think I am lying.
That would be a fair assessment, yes. Or you did it wrong.
Well then Chris, should I then return the
favor and consider EVERYTHING you say to
be a lie as well?
You are making an extraordinary claim. One where if true you would have a solid court case. One that if true, and not some bizarre anomaly, would be easy to show the evidence for.
You show no such thing.
I did it correctly. I am 68 years old and
have voted in every election. I know how
to do it.
Apparently not.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/17/23 05:19, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/16/23 16:24, Snit wrote:
On Feb 16, 2023 at 5:23:29 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsmhe1$3d1d8$4@dont-email.me>:
You say you do have ID, they give you a provisional
Meaning the idea of races being of different IQs came from T, but then he
tried to place it on others.
You have not been listening to Leftists too close.
It is all about using the race card to protect
VOTER FRAUD.
How is making it easy for citizens to vote in any way tied to fraud? >>>>>>>
ballot. Then you go to the next polling place.
Rinse, lather, repeat.
Where do they allow people to vote at more than one polling place? If I do not
vote by mail there is one and only one place I can go. Only one place that has
my name.
The Democrat party has been
know for busing folks around doing this.
Reputable source to back this? Alex Jones does not count.
There is tons of evidence.
You're right. Here's the biggest one.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-georgia-grand-jury-report-indictment-1781410 >>>
Ha! American Pravda at it again.
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/donald-trump-georgia-special-grand-jury/2023/02/16/id/1109019/
Lol. this is based on a trump post on truth (sic) social. Ask any defendant of a criminal investigation and of course they're going deny an charges. Doubly so for the Donald.
here's no conspiracy. You're just butthurt.
https://news.yahoo.com/ap-looked-2020-vote-fraud-120554815.html
Snit,
I have done this for other wokies as well.
I do not know what that means.
I
documented page after page. All they did
was attack the source. So I am not going
down that rat hole. Once, shame on you.
twice shame on me.
In short: you have no evidence. Got it.
Alex Jones and the like are not evidence.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/16/23 16:27, Snit wrote:
Show examples of voter fraud from either party. Voter fraud that is well >>> documented and where someone was convicted of a crime.
You would not accept it, so I am not going to put
the effort into it.
This bullshit misses the point, there are a handful of morons who get
busted committing voter fraud, the system works, there *ISN'T*,
however, a bunch of other people who get away with it, it doesn't
exist, it's Trump et al's *FICTION*, to explain away how they lost an election.
You have failed to demonstrate otherwise.
Trump said it... so many on the right just say it is true.
On 2/17/23 19:05, Joel wrote:
Nextdoor
has jack shit to do with your ballot being counted.
Other conservative members on Next Door told me
they had the same issue and were to go on the
Secretary of Stat's web cite to check. That
is what Next Door had to do with it.
Please stop twisting my words.
On 2/17/23 20:45, Snit wrote:
On Feb 17, 2023 at 7:25:19 PM MST, "T" wrote <tspcuf$3nunr$7@dont-email.me>: >>
On 2/17/23 05:09, Chris wrote:
By they way, my cheat-by-mail vote in 2020
was not counted, as were a lot of other
Republicans in my area. Hmmmmmm. Guess
you think I am lying.
That would be a fair assessment, yes. Or you did it wrong.
Well then Chris, should I then return the
favor and consider EVERYTHING you say to
be a lie as well?
You are making an extraordinary claim. One where if true you would have a
solid court case. One that if true, and not some bizarre anomaly, would be >> easy to show the evidence for.
You show no such thing.
What am I going to do. Log you into the secretary
of state's office and send you a screen shot?
I did it correctly. I am 68 years old and
have voted in every election. I know how
to do it.
Apparently not.
And so, so many others to. I did it correctly.
I had a former democrat friend high up in the
county's democrat party actually call me and
ask if I had voted. I told him I had voted
cheat by mail
and that I had never showed up
at the secretary of state. I asked him if he
had heard anything along those lines? He
has not spoken to me since. Guess he got
the confirmation he was looking for. I had
thought better of him.
So, when I die and start voting democrat.
how about that. How about all those precincts
with 100% turn outs? A coupe had 140% turn outs.
And record breaking 140 years old voting!
On 2/18/23 02:54, Chris wrote:
I did it correctly. I am 68 years old andEveryone makes mistakes sometimes. Adding extra layers of complications
have voted in every election. I know how
to do it.
will guarantee more will make them. The right to vote must be as inclusive >> as possible.
Too many of us had the same experience.
On 17/02/2023 22:18, nospam wrote:
In article <KASHL.139881$SdR7.74128@fx04.iad>, David Brooks
<DavidB@a.new.address> wrote:
I've just watched the Netflix movie. I had no idea that if someone was
incarcerated they would never be allowed to vote again. That must be
wrong.
it is wrong.
it depends on the state. some states revoke it permanently, some not at
all and some in between.
Thank you.
On Feb 17, 2023 at 7:37:00 PM MST, "T" wrote <tspdkc$3nuns$5@dont-email.me>:
On 2/16/23 16:38, Snit wrote:
These laws make it more difficult for all people to vote, but do
so unequally. Black and other voters of color are less likely than >>> whites to be able to afford the material burdens of securing
qualifying identification, such as even getting to a motor
vehicles office to attain the identification required to vote.
-----
Does ANYONE think this is on accident?
How about does anyone think this is utter bull s***?
Your argument is a major insult to Blacks.
They are not too stupid or "burdened" to
show ID.
How do they drive a car?
How do you get a bus pass?
What do they show the traffic cop?
How do they rent an apartment or buy a house?
How to they get on a plane?
How to they get prescription drugs?
How do they get the Clot Shot?
How do they get a checking account?
How do the apply for Welfare?
How do they cash their welfare check?
How do they get into a football game?
how do they buy cigarettes and alcohol?
Shall I go on?
Yes. Then back the idea each needs to be done in person where a person has to show an ID. Then say which of those have not just an ID, but the same ID rules
as voting.
And that is the rub. You will never do that. You cannot do that.
You can not survive in this society
without identification.
And yet many people survive without an ID.
States bend
over backwards to help you get ID.
This is not true. As I showed recently with evidence.
End cheat-by-mail.
Please show the evidence voting by mail is more prone to cheating, and then offer an alternative for those who are disabled in ways they cannot travel well.
Everyone show ID.
Everyone show up to vote, except those
that have applied for absentee ballots.
Which is vote by mail. By the way, many in the military use that. You are seeking to deny many in he military a chance to vote.
No more electronic voting. No more
dead people voting. No more cheating.
You have not made the case that an ID reduces cheating.
On Feb 17, 2023 at 10:08:54 PM MST, "T" wrote <tspmh6$3nuns$9@dont-email.me>:
On 2/16/23 16:21, Snit wrote:
Sometimes. Yes. That does not excuse poor behavior.No it does not excuse bad behavior on their part.
At the same time, it does not excuse your bad behavior either. You are >>>> a fool if your test them.
Oh, I absolutely think one should treat police with courtesy. No argument >>> here.
We are in agreement!
Good!
how about that. How about all those precincts
with 100% turn outs? A coupe had 140% turn outs.
And record breaking 140 years old voting!
On Feb 19, 2023 at 5:51:18 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsug66$hdoc$1@dont-email.me>:
On 2/17/23 19:05, Joel wrote:
Nextdoor
has jack shit to do with your ballot being counted.
Other conservative members on Next Door told me
they had the same issue and were to go on the
Secretary of Stat's web cite to check. That
is what Next Door had to do with it.
Please stop twisting my words.
I hear conservatives being sore losers and whining a lot. I live in a red >state. What I do not see is EVIDENCE.
It matters.
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 17, 2023 at 10:58:06 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsppde$3nunr$10@dont-email.me>:
"Britannica" is being politically correct.
It is a well respected source.
And you have no counter. I have evidence. You have... ramblings.
Here is a read for you:
https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
A libertarian non-profit. OK, we know they have a pretty significant bias.
Yeah, here we go with Mr. T, again, being completely retarded. All I
had to do was check Wikipedia for info on the site he referenced, and
saw what you say, that it's a very slanted think tank, not a credible
source, all while he dismisses a likely more credible source.
On 2/16/23 17:29, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/16/23 16:27, Snit wrote:
Show examples of voter fraud from either party. Voter fraud that is well >>>> documented and where someone was convicted of a crime.
You would not accept it, so I am not going to put
the effort into it.
This bullshit misses the point, there are a handful of morons who get
busted committing voter fraud, the system works, there *ISN'T*,
however, a bunch of other people who get away with it, it doesn't
exist, it's Trump et al's *FICTION*, to explain away how they lost an
election.
You have failed to demonstrate otherwise.
No level of evidence would satisfy you. I
won't waste my time
Both were socialists and Marxists.Unsupported claim.
On 2/17/23 22:25, Snit wrote:
Both were socialists and Marxists.Unsupported claim.
Quoting you them *is* supporting evidence.
Have fun:
https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/nazi-party-25-points-1920/
https://stoppingsocialism.com/2020/07/hitler-was-a-socialist-who-learned-from-karl-marx/
That you do nut like Marxism/socialist is a good
sign. That you call failed socialist right wing
so you can repeat the mistakes of the past is not.
On 2/18/23 06:07, Joel wrote:
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 17, 2023 at 10:58:06 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsppde$3nunr$10@dont-email.me>:
"Britannica" is being politically correct.
It is a well respected source.
And you have no counter. I have evidence. You have... ramblings.
Here is a read for you:
https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
A libertarian non-profit. OK, we know they have a pretty significant bias. >>
Yeah, here we go with Mr. T, again, being completely retarded. All I
had to do was check Wikipedia for info on the site he referenced, and
saw what you say, that it's a very slanted think tank, not a credible
source, all while he dismisses a likely more credible source.
Was the article biased though? I saw no bias.
I do see a ton of bias in the Propaganda Narrative
that the very darlings of Socialist International
were "right Wings". What liberty and freedom did
they champion? What government did they cut
back on? What free markets did they promote?
What you want is to have people forget history so you
can repeat it.
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 19, 2023 at 5:51:18 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsug66$hdoc$1@dont-email.me>: >>> On 2/17/23 19:05, Joel wrote:
Nextdoor
has jack shit to do with your ballot being counted.
Other conservative members on Next Door told me
they had the same issue and were to go on the
Secretary of Stat's web cite to check. That
is what Next Door had to do with it.
Please stop twisting my words.
I hear conservatives being sore losers and whining a lot. I live in a red
state. What I do not see is EVIDENCE.
It matters.
I may have misunderstood T's comment about Nextdoor, but in any event,
yeah, I don't comprehend how he blames anyone but himself for his
ballot supposedly not being counted, if you follow the instructions
for a mail ballot, it will be counted, but it is more difficult than
voting in person, and I didn't choose to do it for that reason.
Conservatives want regulation and oversight based on their own feelings and >>> what they believe has historically existed (which is often incorrect), or even
just based on their own religion.
This includes controlling which consenting
adults can marry each other, what a woman can do with her own body, and even
insisting the government gets to define YOUR gender.
They also work to create
regulations on voting to limit who can vote,
for if the people truly get a
voice they know their ideas are less likely to be accepted. Liberals are right
to call conservatives out on this also being a form of control and, I think, a
less defensible one.
Uhhh. That does not deserve a response!
You have no rebuttal. And it is easy to show... look at things like the EPA. Not perfect, but amazingly effective. Look at carbon and lead. Look at how liberals tend to back what the American people, even gun owners, want with gun
controls.
On 2/17/23 21:10, Snit wrote:
On Feb 17, 2023 at 10:08:54 PM MST, "T" wrote <tspmh6$3nuns$9@dont-email.me>:
On 2/16/23 16:21, Snit wrote:
Sometimes. Yes. That does not excuse poor behavior.No it does not excuse bad behavior on their part.
At the same time, it does not excuse your bad behavior either. You are >>>>> a fool if your test them.
Oh, I absolutely think one should treat police with courtesy. No argument >>>> here.
We are in agreement!
Good!
Feels weird doesn't it!
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2/16/23 22:32, Joel wrote:
And as far as racism goes, not stopping BLM's
"peaceful" demonstrations in their tracks did
more damage to those black communities: business
ruined and/or moves, jobs dried up, lack of policing
causing black forks to live in terror, having
to go to the other side of town to buy food,
etc., etc, THAN ANY WHITE SUPREMACIST W-I-L-D-E-S-T
DREAMS! We need to seriously look at who the real
racists here are. Wokies are the real racists.
That's just propaganda.
So BLM did not ruin black neighborhoods?
Worse that the wildest imagination of
any skin head?
And those protests were peaseful too, huh
On the whole, yes. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/12/critics-claim-blm-was-more-violent-than-1960s-civil-rights-protests-thats-just-not-true/
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/
The violence was also perpetrated or exaggerated by right wing activists
by, for example, driving several hours across a state line with an illegal firearm and killing and wounding unarmed people. Self defence? My arse!
If you wish to change my mind,Given how you show little interest in evidence and instead go with you just know... I doubt there is any real chance your mind will change.
offer me video evidence in Trump's ownTrivia to do... the idea a black man could be a "real" American, or even born in America, even with a birth certificate to prove it... Trump could not accept it:
words of him acting like a racists.
https://youtu.be/qQFjHcY5RFM
But you will reject that. So another video:
https://youtu.be/xpyGDdYGaPc
Direct video of some of his racist crap. And another:
https://youtu.be/YkBBNU8c-xU
Now that was your standard. An absurd one that excludes his racist tweets and more, but whatever.
Your standard was trivial to meet.
But you will not change your mind. Video proof will not be enough.
Again, show me actual video footage of ChristiansBefore you said Trump. But if you want bigotry from churches that is not hard to find. Not at all.
and conservatives acting like racists.
On 2/17/23 20:39, Snit wrote:
On Feb 17, 2023 at 7:37:00 PM MST, "T" wrote <tspdkc$3nuns$5@dont-email.me>: >>
On 2/16/23 16:38, Snit wrote:
These laws make it more difficult for all people to vote, but do >>>> so unequally. Black and other voters of color are less likely than >>>> whites to be able to afford the material burdens of securing
qualifying identification, such as even getting to a motor
vehicles office to attain the identification required to vote.
-----
Does ANYONE think this is on accident?
How about does anyone think this is utter bull s***?
Your argument is a major insult to Blacks.
They are not too stupid or "burdened" to
show ID.
How do they drive a car?
How do you get a bus pass?
What do they show the traffic cop?
How do they rent an apartment or buy a house?
How to they get on a plane?
How to they get prescription drugs?
How do they get the Clot Shot?
How do they get a checking account?
How do the apply for Welfare?
How do they cash their welfare check?
How do they get into a football game?
how do they buy cigarettes and alcohol?
Shall I go on?
Yes. Then back the idea each needs to be done in person where a person has to
show an ID. Then say which of those have not just an ID, but the same ID rules
as voting.
Requested absentee ballots are fine. Please get my
story straight. Mailing am unsolicited ballot to
everyone, even when they are dead, have moved, etc,
is way to much temptation to cheat.
And that is the rub. You will never do that. You cannot do that.
Not showing ID to vote is insuring voter fraud.
You can not survive in this society
without identification.
And yet many people survive without an ID.
Ya, right. They must live way, way off grid.
And never drive to the grocery store.
States bend
over backwards to help you get ID.
This is not true. As I showed recently with evidence.
Hmmmmm. Check out George's new voting law.
And not the opinions of American Pravda.
https://dol.georgia.gov/blog-post/idme
End cheat-by-mail.
Please show the evidence voting by mail is more prone to cheating, and then >> offer an alternative for those who are disabled in ways they cannot travel >> well.
Gee Wiz, No one ever tell out about
getting ballots for former residents
of their houses? And on and on and on
and so forth.
Everyone show ID.
Everyone show up to vote, except those
that have applied for absentee ballots.
Which is vote by mail. By the way, many in the military use that. You are
seeking to deny many in he military a chance to vote.
You are vastly confusing "solicited" absentee
ballots with unsolicited ballots mailed out
in bulk.
By the way, I voted absentee ballots in the
military all the time. Big, big difference between
absentee ballots and cheat-by-mail.
No more electronic voting. No more
dead people voting. No more cheating.
You have not made the case that an ID reduces cheating.
Oh and add no more ballot harvesting too.
And yes I did.
In article <tsujor$hdod$12@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Liberals are the control freaks.
then why do republicans want to ban books and tell people what they can
and can't do with their own bodies, among other things?
On 2/18/23 00:56, Snit wrote:
Again, show me actual video footage of ChristiansBefore you said Trump. But if you want bigotry from churches that is not hard
and conservatives acting like racists.
to find. Not at all.
if you post videos of that, I will look at them too
On 2/18/23 00:58, Snit wrote:
Conservatives want regulation and oversight based on their own feelings and
what they believe has historically existed (which is often incorrect), or even
just based on their own religion.
Baloney
This includes controlling which consenting
adults can marry each other, what a woman can do with her own body, and even
insisting the government gets to define YOUR gender.
The family is how our socienty replenishes itself, And society has
every right to define
what the family is.
They also work to create
regulations on voting to limit who can vote,
Garbage. We only want to insure that everyone
that has the right to vote does. No cheating.
for if the people truly get a
voice they know their ideas are less likely to be accepted. Liberals are right
to call conservatives out on this also being a form of control and, I think, a
less defensible one.
Baloney. Liberals are the control freaks.
Uhhh. That does not deserve a response!
You have no rebuttal. And it is easy to show... look at things like the EPA. >> Not perfect, but amazingly effective. Look at carbon and lead. Look at how >> liberals tend to back what the American people, even gun owners, want with gun
controls.
No rebuttal as it was total baloney
Liberals are the control freaks.
On 2/17/23 22:25, Snit wrote:
Both were socialists and Marxists.Unsupported claim.
Quoting you them *is* supporting evidence.
Have fun:
https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/nazi-party-25-points-1920/
https://stoppingsocialism.com/2020/07/hitler-was-a-socialist-who-learned-from-karl-marx/
That you do nut like Marxism/socialist is a good
sign. That you call failed socialist right wing
so you can repeat the mistakes of the past is not.
Whilst we are at it:
Read the complete transcript of President Trump’s remarks at Trump Tower
on Charlottesville
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-charlottesville-transcript-20170815-story.html
Where is the racist?
QUESTION: Do you think that the -- what you call the alt-left is the
On 2/18/23 02:54, Chris wrote:
I did it correctly. I am 68 years old andEveryone makes mistakes sometimes. Adding extra layers of complications
have voted in every election. I know how
to do it.
will guarantee more will make them. The right to vote must be as inclusive >> as possible.
Too many of us had the same experience.
On 2/17/23 01:58, Chris wrote:
here's no conspiracy. You're just butthurt.
https://news.yahoo.com/ap-looked-2020-vote-fraud-120554815.html
AP is American Pravda. Of course they found nothing.
On 2/17/23 04:35, Snit wrote:
Trump said it... so many on the right just say it is true.
Look around past American Pravda. Start
with Pennsylvania.
On 2/18/23 04:23, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
FBI data revealed the number of Memphis officers
dropped by nearly 20% from 2011 to 2017, while
crime rose by 26% in that period.
You don’t need to be a statistical genius to work
out the cause and effect.
And you certainly aren't any sort of statistician as what you've
demonstrated is simple correlation. Showing causes and effect requires a
lot more then just comparing two numbers with no context.
Gee Wiz, why does this nonsense always show up in
democrat rub cities and they never take
responsibility of it
On Feb 19, 2023 at 6:55:24 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsujuc$hdoc$13@dont-email.me>:
On 2/18/23 00:56, Snit wrote:
If you wish to change my mind,Given how you show little interest in evidence and instead go with you just >>> know... I doubt there is any real chance your mind will change.
offer me video evidence in Trump's ownTrivia to do... the idea a black man could be a "real" American, or even born
words of him acting like a racists.
in America, even with a birth certificate to prove it... Trump could not >>> accept it:
https://youtu.be/qQFjHcY5RFM
But you will reject that. So another video:
https://youtu.be/xpyGDdYGaPc
Direct video of some of his racist crap. And another:
https://youtu.be/YkBBNU8c-xU
Now that was your standard. An absurd one that excludes his racist tweets and
more, but whatever.
Your standard was trivial to meet.
But you will not change your mind. Video proof will not be enough.
it will take me a few days to look them over.
But I will
Thank you. Sincerely. Even if you disagree that is a fair answer to at least try.
On Feb 17, 2023 at 11:56:51 PM MST, "T" wrote <tspsrj$3nuns$13@dont-email.me>:
On 2/16/23 21:58, Snit wrote:
Trump engaged in plenty of bigotry:
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+bigotry+list
(To be fair, anyone watched on the national stage is at risk of having some >>> comments slip into that nasty category, even if out of context, but Trump goes
heavily above and beyond).
If you wish to change my mind,
Given how you show little interest in evidence and instead go with you just know... I doubt there is any real chance your mind will change.
offer me video evidence in Trump's own
words of him acting like a racists.
Trivia to do... the idea a black man could be a "real" American, or even born in America, even with a birth certificate to prove it... Trump could not accept it:
https://youtu.be/qQFjHcY5RFM
But you will reject that. So another video:
https://youtu.be/xpyGDdYGaPc
Direct video of some of his racist crap. And another:
https://youtu.be/YkBBNU8c-xU
Now that was your standard. An absurd one that excludes his racist tweets and more, but whatever.
Your standard was trivial to meet.
But you will not change your mind. Video proof will not be enough.
Keep in mind the Wokies call anyone they disagree
with racists.
You made that up.
On 2/18/23 00:56, Snit wrote:
Again, show me actual video footage of ChristiansBefore you said Trump. But if you want bigotry from churches that is
and conservatives acting like racists.
not hard
to find. Not at all.
if you post videos of that, I will look at them too
On 2/19/23 17:56, T wrote"
On 2/18/23 00:56, Snit wrote:
Again, show me actual video footage of ChristiansBefore you said Trump. But if you want bigotry from churches that is
and conservatives acting like racists.
not hard
to find. Not at all.
if you post videos of that, I will look at them too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FR_PvGfzcQ
It starts with example of American Pravda
On Feb 19, 2023 at 6:56:29 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsuk0d$hdoc$14@dont-email.me>:
On 2/18/23 00:56, Snit wrote:
Again, show me actual video footage of ChristiansBefore you said Trump. But if you want bigotry from churches that is not hard
and conservatives acting like racists.
to find. Not at all.
if you post videos of that, I will look at them too
Can look up some videos where homosexuality is discussed in churches. Or do you accept there is a lot of bigotry there?
Trivia to do... the idea a black man could be a "real" American, or even born
in America, even with a birth certificate to prove it... Trump could not accept it:
https://youtu.be/qQFjHcY5RFM
I have heard him say that several times. There
are some questions about Obama's birth certificate.
But that has nothing to do with race.
Just turn on MSNBC. This is what you will hear:
Racist racist blah blah racists blah racist
blah racist racist blah ...
Someone even called me a racist on this group!
On 2/19/23 18:09, Snit wrote:
On Feb 19, 2023 at 6:55:24 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsujuc$hdoc$13@dont-email.me>: >>
On 2/18/23 00:56, Snit wrote:
If you wish to change my mind,Given how you show little interest in evidence and instead go with you just
know... I doubt there is any real chance your mind will change.
offer me video evidence in Trump's ownTrivia to do... the idea a black man could be a "real" American, or even born
words of him acting like a racists.
in America, even with a birth certificate to prove it... Trump could not >>>> accept it:
https://youtu.be/qQFjHcY5RFM
But you will reject that. So another video:
https://youtu.be/xpyGDdYGaPc
Direct video of some of his racist crap. And another:
https://youtu.be/YkBBNU8c-xU
Now that was your standard. An absurd one that excludes his racist tweets and
more, but whatever.
Your standard was trivial to meet.
But you will not change your mind. Video proof will not be enough.
it will take me a few days to look them over.
But I will
Thank you. Sincerely. Even if you disagree that is a fair answer to at least >> try.
The free and open exchange of ideas and information
is necessary for the health of a republic.
You actually made you case without name calling and
without vitriol. You did well.
It did not work,
but I was impressed with the character you showed.
We need more liberals like you.
On 2/19/23 18:09, Snit wrote:
On Feb 19, 2023 at 6:56:29 PM MST, "T" wrote <tsuk0d$hdoc$14@dont-email.me>: >>
On 2/18/23 00:56, Snit wrote:
Again, show me actual video footage of ChristiansBefore you said Trump. But if you want bigotry from churches that is not hard
and conservatives acting like racists.
to find. Not at all.
if you post videos of that, I will look at them too
Can look up some videos where homosexuality is discussed in churches. Or do >> you accept there is a lot of bigotry there?
Christians and every other religion, except liberalism,
considers homosexuality to be immoral behavior.
Mutilating
your body also applies.
That this conflicts with your morality, does not make it
bigotry.
That you morality is different from ours, does that make
you a bigot?
Do you see ANY Christians persecuting homosexuals over this?
Being disappointed in ones behavior is not bigotry. Loving
and praying for lost souls is not bigotry.
By the way, we Christians do realize that we are all
sinners and have a rough road ahead of us turning
that around. So we do not stand in judgement of
those around us, including those that advertise it.
Wanting something good for someone else is not bigotry.
Hate the sin; love the sinner.
You don't know many Christians do you?
If you are thinking those obnoxious ones ringing
your door bell, they are usually not Christians.
The Jehovah's Witness (JW's) do not believe Jesus is
the god of the burning bush and the holy spirit
is not part of god. JW's follow Arian Heresy (Arius
for the 4th century, not the master race). So not
Christian.
The Mormons believe Jesus was literally one of the
multiple god's offspring. Gods with human failing
that exist in nature, not created nature. They
are Hellenists, despite reusing Christian names
for them. So not Christian. (Christians are
monotheists.)
Christians are commanded to evangelize with gentleness
and reverence. Religion is caught, not taught.
We don't always get it right though.
Now as far as those truly good people outside the
church, only God knows the heart. They may not know
God, God knows them. They probably have an easier
path to heaven than those of us that are suppose
to know better.
On 2/18/23 00:56, Snit wrote:
On Feb 17, 2023 at 11:56:51 PM MST, "T" wrote <tspsrj$3nuns$13@dont-email.me>:
On 2/16/23 21:58, Snit wrote:
Trump engaged in plenty of bigotry:
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+bigotry+list
(To be fair, anyone watched on the national stage is at risk of having some
comments slip into that nasty category, even if out of context, but Trump goes
heavily above and beyond).
If you wish to change my mind,
Given how you show little interest in evidence and instead go with you just >> know... I doubt there is any real chance your mind will change.
offer me video evidence in Trump's own
words of him acting like a racists.
Trivia to do... the idea a black man could be a "real" American, or even born
in America, even with a birth certificate to prove it... Trump could not
accept it:
https://youtu.be/qQFjHcY5RFM
I have heard him say that several times. There
are some questions about Obama's birth certificate.
But that has nothing to do with race.
But you will reject that. So another video:
https://youtu.be/xpyGDdYGaPc
Two or three words snippets and he is a racist?
By that standard, is Biden a racist too?
Biden: "Obama is Clean & Articulate" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJSfBKQA_KQ
Direct video of some of his racist crap. And another:
https://youtu.be/YkBBNU8c-xU
So now hating criminals is suddenly racists?
Well educated blacks have a tremendous advantage?
Yes they do. A 80% qualified black will get
hired over a white in a second. Conservative Black
commentates talk about this all the time. I have
seen it too when I worked in aerospace.
I had this happen to me once. I tried to get hired
at General Dynamics at a job opening ran by a Sergent
I had worked for in the Air Force. He know my work
and I highly respected him as I knew his work too.
Try as he may, I was passed over because I was white.
And I know this to be the case because the Sergeant
told me so. And he really went all out to try to
get me hired too. Oh ya, and he was black himself.
Is the above a racists statement to you? It is
definitely politically incorrect, but that
does not make it racist. Am I a racists
becasue I wanted to work for a man based on
his character?
It seems to me that actually talking about race
is proof of racism to you.
What I saw, was someone willing to talk about
race that was also willing to defy political
correctness.
Two years ago at a fishing hole, whist her husband
was fishing and she was reading a book, I walked
up to the wife and asked her how her husband's
luck (at catching fish, if you missed it) was doing.
When I walked up to her, she was frightened. But
immediately calmed down when she saw I was just
being friendly. Then I proceeded to talk to her
husband about fishing.
Who told these people to be frightened of a old
white man? There in lies the real racists.
At a store I shop, I rather like having conversations
with an employee that is black. Not because he is
black, there are blacks working there too, but
becasue of his character. Is is very warm and very
insightful. I love his insights. When I asked about
if he was working one day, it turn out that there
are three other employees there with the same first
name. I said "the black guy". The white employee
recoiled "in fear". But pointed me to him. The next
time I saw my fried, I told him about it. He told
me "well we just about ran out of distinguishing
features" (I love this guy!)
I told his that next time I am going to really screw
with their minds and say "the good looking one".
Made him laugh pretty good. I also told him that
they were being told that they were doing something
bad to him based on the skin color they are born
with. (In case you missed it, that would be the
extremely racist Critical Race Theory.)
Was anything I said in the above racist? Most
certainly politically incorrect, but was it racist?
Now that was your standard. An absurd one that excludes his racist tweets and
more, but whatever.
Your standard was trivial to meet.
But you will not change your mind. Video proof will not be enough.
Snit, you show actual racists and not political
incorrectness and I will stand shoulder to shoulder
with you against it.
I follow Christian teaching,
which is that God created us all in his image and
likeness. And the teachings of a certain Republican
Christian preacher that mayrtered who stated the following:
https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm
And so even though we face the difficulties of today
and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream
deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up
and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We
hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
men are created equal."
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of
Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons
of former slave owners will be able to sit down
together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state
of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the
heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat
of oppression, will be transformed into an
oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children
will one day live in a nation where they will
not be judged by the color of their skin but
by the content of their character.
I have a dream today!
I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama,
with its vicious racists, with its governor
having his lips dripping with the words of
"interposition" and "nullification" -- one day
right there in Alabama little black boys and
black girls will be able to join hands with
little white boys and white girls as sisters
and brothers.
I have a dream today!
I have a dream that one day every valley shall
be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall
be made low, the rough places will be made plain,
and the crooked places will be made straight;
"and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed
and all flesh shall see it together."
This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go
back to the South with.
With this faith, we will be able to hew out of
the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With
this faith, we will be able to transform the
jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful
symphony of brotherhood. With this faith, we will
be able to work together, to pray together, to
struggle together, to go to jail together, to
stand up for freedom together, knowing that we
will be free one day.
And this will be the day -- this will be the day
when all of God's children will be able to sing
with new meaning:
My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of
thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of
the Pilgrim's pride, From every mountainside,
let freedom ring!
And if America is to be a great nation, this must
become true.
And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops
of New Hampshire.
Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New
York.
Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies
of Pennsylvania.
Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of
Colorado.
Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of
California.
But not only that:
Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia.
Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee.
Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of
Mississippi.
From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
Judging folks based on their character, how their skin
color. What a concept.
What Rev King spoke of is
what I follow and what the overwhelming majority of
Christians and follow. Yes there will be a few
knuckleheads here and there, but they do not
represent us.
Rev. Kings teaching stand in stark opposition to
extremely racist Critical Race Theory where whites
are told they are doing something terrible to
others based solely on their birth and non whites
are told they can't succeed because of what whites
are doing to them.
Oh Rev. King also considered homosexuality to be sinful
behavior too. Run you image of Dr. King?
Keep in mind the Wokies call anyone they disagree
with racists.
You made that up.
Did I now.
How about you go and re-listen to one
of those link you gave me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpyGDdYGaPc
Trump not being politically incorrect and
not playing identity politics makes him a racist?
Just turn on MSNBC. This is what you will hear:
Racist racist blah blah racists blah racist
blah racist racist blah ...
And if you are in the mood, check out the racism
articles over on:
https://cpusa.org/?ssearch=what+is+racism&fq=any&sort=score&order=desc&submit=Submit
Someone even called me a racist on this group!
You really should listen to what blacks in the conservative movement
THAT HAVE WORKED WITH Trump have said about Trump:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/19/ben_carson_ive_interacted_with_racist_people_trump_is_not_one_of_them.html
DR. BEN CARSON, SECRETARY, HOUSE AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT:
There is a *narrative* that's being painted there,
but I've had an opportunity to interact with
racist people throughout my life. And he is not
one. He is so easy to be around, so relaxed,
and treats you with the utmost respect.
And I talked with him early on about the plight
of many people, particularly in the inner-city,
and the compassion that he showed is very
impressive. But he doesn't wear it on his
sleeve. He believes that a rising tide lifts
all boats. *And he doesn't go around playing
identity politics*. He says, he just let's fix
this so everybody does well.
You included a liberalism as a religion. That is
silly.
On Feb 22, 2023 at 8:40:09 PM MST, "T" wrote <tt6n6p$1jsul$3@dont-email.me>:
On 2/19/23 17:56, T wrote"
On 2/18/23 00:56, Snit wrote:
Again, show me actual video footage of ChristiansBefore you said Trump. But if you want bigotry from churches that is
and conservatives acting like racists.
not hard
to find. Not at all.
if you post videos of that, I will look at them too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FR_PvGfzcQ
It starts with example of American Pravda
That is a Russian paper, not American.
I have heard him say that several times. There
are some questions about Obama's birth certificate.
But that has nothing to do with race.
The whole point was that he was not "American" enough... which was tied to the
idea a black man cannot be an "American". What white person, born in one of the 50 states, has been told that is not enough to make them "American" and they must be from Africa?
On 2/22/23 20:48, Snit wrote:
You included a liberalism as a religion. That is
silly.
Actually, the church that I subscript to,
Orthodoxy, has been called "Christianity,
only harder".
Liberalism tell you who you can like,
what you can wear, what you can eat, who you
can listen to, who you can murder, terms
you can use in your speech, who you can
"cancel", what you can think. It even
shuns you if you leave.
Liberalism is clearly a belief system.
Orthodoxy does not hold a candle to
Liberalism. And some people thing
fasting is a pain.
And yes, I do believe Liberalism is in conflict
with Christianity.
Christians are commanded by Jesus to follow the
commandments. Things liberals to no follow are
1. thou shalt not murder (abortion)
2. thou shalt not worship false gods (themselves as gods)
3. thou shalt not bear false witness (Trump is
a racists/fascist,
J6 was and insurrection, etc.)
4. thou shalt not covet they neighbor's possessions (socialism)
Yes, there are liberal Christians. No one is perfect.
His Fraudulency claims to be a Roman Catholic but
is a YUGE proponent of Mass Murder (Abortion).
We all have our crosses to bear.
Oh and as far as Jews, liberalism, and homosexuality
goes. You mean secular Jews. They are not
following Jewish teaching. That is why they are
called "secular".
And if you thing Judaism
is fine with Homosexuality, then you have not met
many Orthodox Jews or know much at all about
their religion.
By the way, in eastern Europe secular jew is another
name for communist.
Two or three words snippets and he is a racist?If it was just one or two of those, or three, you might be able to excuse it. The point is it is a strong pattern.
Biden: "Obama is Clean & Articulate"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJSfBKQA_KQ
It was certainly an inappropriate thing to say. And, yes, I would say is tied to the racial inequality in the country. I do not excuse Biden for that. That does not mean he says such things with as strong of a pattern (though that is not the only example from him).
How do you figure? Critical Race Theory does not say anyone has to be bad to anyone else. CRT looks at how "laws, social and political movements, and media
shape, and are shaped by, social conceptions of race and ethnicity".
Snit, you show actual racists and not political
incorrectness and I will stand shoulder to shoulder
with you against it.
Trump is quite openly racist. Biden also has some concerning comments.
It has nothing to do with political correctness... it about racial devision and mocking and the like. Yeah, he is pretty openly racist.
There is a reason he earned the support of the KKK and Neo-Nazis.
I would give a link to them all, to save space, but you fear Apple will share your IP with me (?)... so here:
In the secular Europe Police does not kill systematically non-white
citizens. Unlike the bigot North America.
Can you be more specific on what you deem racist?
They point was that Obama may not have been
constitutionally qualified to hold that office.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or
a Citizen of the United States, at the time
of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall
be eligible to the Office of President; neither
shall any person be eligible to that Office who
shall not have attained to the Age of thirty
five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident
within the United States."
--- Article II, Section 1 USC
This was never about anything other than "Article II,
Section 1 USC". The "Racism" thing was all in your
heads to divert the actual issue at hand.
The Propaganda Narrative that it was due to racism,
was to deflect from the actual issue involved.
When you have no point, yell racism!
Someday, maybe we will know or not. They American
people certainly voted in the majority for him.
On 2/15/23 07:23, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
In the secular Europe Police does not kill systematically non-white citizens. Unlike the bigot North America.
Try lookikg up who is most like to kill a black.
A black cop or a white cop.
On 2/22/23 19:46, Snit wrote:
On Feb 22, 2023 at 8:40:09 PM MST, "T" wrote <tt6n6p$1jsul$3...@dont-email.me>:
On 2/19/23 17:56, T wrote"
On 2/18/23 00:56, Snit wrote:
Again, show me actual video footage of ChristiansBefore you said Trump. But if you want bigotry from churches that is >>>> not hard
and conservatives acting like racists.
to find. Not at all.
if you post videos of that, I will look at them too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FR_PvGfzcQ
It starts with example of American Pravda
That is a Russian paper, not American.Russian Pravda is Russian. American Pravda is
American.
American Pravda is the propaganda wing of
the democrat party. They are not the news
or the truth.
As they use to say in the old Soviet empire:
"There is no Pravda (truth) in the news and
no Izvestia (news) in Pravda"
The difference between American Pravda and Soviet
Pravda is that American Pravda gave up their
journalistic integrity on purpose.
A great saying on tolerance:
Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent
people will be banned from thinking so as not
to offend the imbeciles.
-- Dostoevsky
On 2/22/23 20:39, Snit wrote:
Snit, you show actual racists and not political
incorrectness and I will stand shoulder to shoulder
with you against it.
Trump is quite openly racist. Biden also has some concerning comments.This is in your imagination. Trump is not a racist.
What he is is not politically correct.
Biden hasd dealings with racists in his past, but
I do to think he is anymore.
But that being
said, he is non compose mentis and not really
responsible for what comes out of his mouth.
what is troth central ?
So what is Fox news ?
On 2/22/23 20:39, Snit wrote:
I would give a link to them all, to save space, but you fear Apple will share
your IP with me (?)... so here:
Try looking up whether or not a white office or
a black officer is more likely to use deadly force
against a black.
Also consider that before the democrats bought the
black vote with welfare
under the Great Society,
that the black family had a slightly lower absent
father rate that white and a slightly lower criminal
rate than whites.
Blacks also had a twice the rate
of coming out of poverty than after the great society.
Crime is red lined not on race, but on fatherless
homes. And we are all paying the price for the
racists (based on result) of the Great society.
No dads = crime.
Black men of crime age are responsible for 1/2 the
murders in this country despite only being 2 to 3 %
of the population.
This is all linked to democrats destroying the black
family. There is your racism.
On 2/22/23 20:39, Snit wrote:
Snit, you show actual racists and not political
incorrectness and I will stand shoulder to shoulder
with you against it.
Trump is quite openly racist. Biden also has some concerning comments.
This is in your imagination.
Trump is not a racist.
What he is is not politically correct.
Biden hasd dealings with racists in his past, but
I do to think he is anymore. But that being
said, he is non compose mentis and not really
responsible for what comes out of his mouth.
It happens that T formulated :
On 2/22/23 20:39, Snit wrote:
I have heard him say that several times. There
are some questions about Obama's birth certificate.
But that has nothing to do with race.
The whole point was that he was not "American" enough... which was tied to >>> the
idea a black man cannot be an "American". What white person, born in one of >>> the 50 states, has been told that is not enough to make them "American" and >>> they must be from Africa?
Snit,
That was certainly not the point. And it
is another example of a Propaganda Narrative.
They point was that Obama may not have been
constitutionally qualified to hold that office.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or
a Citizen of the United States, at the time
of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall
be eligible to the Office of President; neither
shall any person be eligible to that Office who
shall not have attained to the Age of thirty
five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident
within the United States."
--- Article II, Section 1 USC
How do you think he fell short of having legal citizenship? Nothing
above says that to me.
On 2/22/23 20:39, Snit wrote:
I have heard him say that several times. There
are some questions about Obama's birth certificate.
But that has nothing to do with race.
The whole point was that he was not "American" enough... which was tied to >> the
idea a black man cannot be an "American". What white person, born in one of >> the 50 states, has been told that is not enough to make them "American" and >> they must be from Africa?
Snit,
That was certainly not the point. And it
is another example of a Propaganda Narrative.
They point was that Obama may not have been
constitutionally qualified to hold that office.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or
a Citizen of the United States, at the time
of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall
be eligible to the Office of President; neither
shall any person be eligible to that Office who
shall not have attained to the Age of thirty
five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident
within the United States."
--- Article II, Section 1 USC
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-charlottesville-transcript-20170815-story.htmlQUESTION: Do you think that the -- what you call the alt-left is the
Where is the racist?
same as neo-Nazis?
TRUMP: Those people -- all of those people -- excuse me. I’ve
condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all
of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people
were white supremacists, by any stretch. Those people were also there
because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue, Robert E.
Lee. So -- excuse me. And you take a look at some of the groups and
you see -- and you’d know it if you were honest reporters, which in
many cases you’re not, but many of those people were there to protest
the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. So this week it’s
Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson’s coming down. I
wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson
the week after? You know, you all -- you really do have to ask
yourself, where does it stop? But they were there to protest -- excuse
me. You take a look, the night before, they were there to protest the
taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. Infrastructure question,
go ahead.
QUESTION: Should the statue of Robert E. Lee stay up?
TRUMP: I would say that’s up to a local town, community, or the
federal government, depending on where it is located.
<<<
Your link proves that Trump is a white nationalist figure.
Joel,
You did not read far enough. He condemned the
the racists/white nationalist/neo nazis. He
also condemned antifa.
And the part you quoted, he also condemned them.
You are reaching to try to justify a lie.
He is not a "white nationalist". that is
a propaganda narrative.
He is not a "white nationalist". that is
a propaganda narrative.
Wrong.
He is not a "white nationalist". that is
a propaganda narrative.
Wrong.
Nothing in his news conference pointed
to that. You are repeating a smear.
Try arguing with him over the issues. Or
is that against your religion?
Obama could have just showed his birth certificate
and the whole thing would have gone away like the wind.
How do you think he fell short of having legal citizenship? Nothing
above says that to me.
Obama could have just showed his birth certificate
and the whole thing would have gone away like the wind.
On 2/23/23 08:40, Joel wrote:
He is not a "white nationalist". that is
a propaganda narrative.
Wrong.
Nothing in his news conference pointed
to that. You are repeating a smear.
Try arguing with him over the issues. Or
is that against your religion?
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
He is not a "white nationalist". that is
a propaganda narrative.
Wrong.
Nothing in his news conference pointed
to that. You are repeating a smear.
Try arguing with him over the issues. Or
is that against your religion?
Trump is Hitler reincarnated, "Christians" are insane to think that
he's doing the Lord's work, you are a fool if you are duped by that.
On Feb 23, 2023 at 6:59:51 PM MST, "T" wrote <tt95mn$1u9sq$1@dont-email.me>:
How do you think he fell short of having legal citizenship? Nothing
above says that to me.
Obama could have just showed his birth certificate
and the whole thing would have gone away like the wind.
He did. And birth announcements were shown. It was deemed a huge scam -- going
back to his birth? And the Republican governor of Hawaii verified the birth certificate.
Obama was targeted because of his skin color, went above and beyond showing more evidence than -- s far as I know -- any other presidential candidate, and
yet many on the right still insisted a black man born in Hawaii was not a "real" American.
Meanwhile those same people had no issue with Trump not showing his taxes -- something that is not dictated but has been standard for candidates for a long
time.
On 2/23/23 06:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that T formulated :
On 2/22/23 20:39, Snit wrote:
I have heard him say that several times. There
are some questions about Obama's birth certificate.
But that has nothing to do with race.
The whole point was that he was not "American" enough... which was tied >>>> to the
idea a black man cannot be an "American". What white person, born in one >>>> of
the 50 states, has been told that is not enough to make them "American" >>>> and
they must be from Africa?
Snit,
That was certainly not the point. And it
is another example of a Propaganda Narrative.
They point was that Obama may not have been
constitutionally qualified to hold that office.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or
a Citizen of the United States, at the time
of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall
be eligible to the Office of President; neither
shall any person be eligible to that Office who
shall not have attained to the Age of thirty
five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident
within the United States."
--- Article II, Section 1 USC
How do you think he fell short of having legal citizenship? Nothing above
says that to me.
Obama could have just showed his birth certificate
and the whole thing would have gone away like the wind.
On 2/23/23 18:42, Snit wrote:
On Feb 23, 2023 at 6:59:51 PM MST, "T" wrote
<tt95mn$1u9sq$1@dont-email.me>:
How do you think he fell short of having legal citizenship? Nothing
above says that to me.
Obama could have just showed his birth certificate
and the whole thing would have gone away like the wind.
He did. And birth announcements were shown. It was deemed a huge scam --
going
back to his birth? And the Republican governor of Hawaii verified the birth >> certificate.
Obama was targeted because of his skin color, went above and beyond showing >> more evidence than -- s far as I know -- any other presidential candidate, >> and
yet many on the right still insisted a black man born in Hawaii was not a
"real" American.
I have seen the analysis of the Hawaii certificate.
It was clearly a fake.
T wrote on 2/24/2023 :
On 2/23/23 18:42, Snit wrote:
On Feb 23, 2023 at 6:59:51 PM MST, "T" wrote
<tt95mn$1u9sq$1@dont-email.me>:
How do you think he fell short of having legal citizenship? Nothing
above says that to me.
Obama could have just showed his birth certificate
and the whole thing would have gone away like the wind.
He did. And birth announcements were shown. It was deemed a huge scam
-- going
back to his birth? And the Republican governor of Hawaii verified the
birth
certificate.
Obama was targeted because of his skin color, went above and beyond
showing
more evidence than -- s far as I know -- any other presidential
candidate, and
yet many on the right still insisted a black man born in Hawaii was
not a
"real" American.
I have seen the analysis of the Hawaii certificate.
It was clearly a fake.
I'd like to see that.
On 2/24/23 01:05, FromTheRafters wrote:
T has brought this to us :
On 2/23/23 06:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that T formulated :
On 2/22/23 20:39, Snit wrote:
I have heard him say that several times. There
are some questions about Obama's birth certificate.
But that has nothing to do with race.
The whole point was that he was not "American" enough... which was >>>>> tied to the
idea a black man cannot be an "American". What white person, born
in one of
the 50 states, has been told that is not enough to make them
"American" and
they must be from Africa?
Snit,
That was certainly not the point. And it
is another example of a Propaganda Narrative.
They point was that Obama may not have been
constitutionally qualified to hold that office.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or
a Citizen of the United States, at the time
of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall
be eligible to the Office of President; neither
shall any person be eligible to that Office who
shall not have attained to the Age of thirty
five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident
within the United States."
--- Article II, Section 1 USC
How do you think he fell short of having legal citizenship? Nothing
above says that to me.
Obama could have just showed his birth certificate
and the whole thing would have gone away like the wind.
He did, and it didn't.It look awfully fake to me.
I have seen the analysis of the Hawaii certificate.
It was clearly a fake.
I'd like to see that.
That was yea ago. With the censorship on the web
search engines these days, it would be next to
impossible to find.
On 2/24/23 01:20, FromTheRafters wrote:
T wrote on 2/24/2023 :
On 2/23/23 18:42, Snit wrote:
On Feb 23, 2023 at 6:59:51 PM MST, "T" wrote
<tt95mn$1u9sq$1@dont-email.me>:
How do you think he fell short of having legal citizenship? Nothing >>>>>> above says that to me.
Obama could have just showed his birth certificate
and the whole thing would have gone away like the wind.
He did. And birth announcements were shown. It was deemed a huge scam -- >>>> going
back to his birth? And the Republican governor of Hawaii verified the
birth
certificate.
Obama was targeted because of his skin color, went above and beyond
showing
more evidence than -- s far as I know -- any other presidential
candidate, and
yet many on the right still insisted a black man born in Hawaii was not a >>>> "real" American.
I have seen the analysis of the Hawaii certificate.
It was clearly a fake.
I'd like to see that.
That was yea ago. With the censorship on the web
search engines these days, it would be next to
impossible to find.
On 2/24/23 01:05, FromTheRafters wrote:
T has brought this to us :
On 2/23/23 06:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that T formulated :
On 2/22/23 20:39, Snit wrote:
I have heard him say that several times. There
are some questions about Obama's birth certificate.
But that has nothing to do with race.
The whole point was that he was not "American" enough... which was tied >>>>>> to the
idea a black man cannot be an "American". What white person, born in >>>>>> one of
the 50 states, has been told that is not enough to make them "American" >>>>>> and
they must be from Africa?
Snit,
That was certainly not the point. And it
is another example of a Propaganda Narrative.
They point was that Obama may not have been
constitutionally qualified to hold that office.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or
a Citizen of the United States, at the time
of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall
be eligible to the Office of President; neither
shall any person be eligible to that Office who
shall not have attained to the Age of thirty
five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident
within the United States."
--- Article II, Section 1 USC
How do you think he fell short of having legal citizenship? Nothing above >>>> says that to me.
Obama could have just showed his birth certificate
and the whole thing would have gone away like the wind.
He did, and it didn't.
It look awfully fake to me.
On 2/23/23 18:07, Joel wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
He is not a "white nationalist". that is
a propaganda narrative.
Wrong.
Nothing in his news conference pointed
to that. You are repeating a smear.
Try arguing with him over the issues. Or
is that against your religion?
Trump is Hitler reincarnated, "Christians" are insane to think that
he's doing the Lord's work, you are a fool if you are duped by that.
Who is the fool Joel? Someone that repeats
Propaganda Narrative and has his mind so closed
it could be used as a bear trap.
Hitler was a socialist/marxist.
He took over
control of all private companies and dictated
every aspect of their business. Company owners
were in name only.
Trump decrease regulations and increased freedom.
You are accusing Trump of an outright lie.
So who is the fool Joel? Any other propaganda and
smears you leave out? End justify the means?
On 2/23/23 18:50, Snit wrote:
On Feb 23, 2023 at 7:01:43 PM MST, "T" wrote <tt95q7$1u9sq$2@dont-email.me>: >>
On 2/23/23 08:40, Joel wrote:
He is not a "white nationalist". that is
a propaganda narrative.
Wrong.
Nothing in his news conference pointed
to that. You are repeating a smear.
Trump openly called out to the Proud Boys.
The Proud Boys were smears a lot. They are a mens
group open to all races.
But you knew that?
American Pravda tell you that?
He retweeted White Nationalists videos.
Only in your imagination. You are smearing him.
It is not like he really works to hide this... though when he gets in trouble
he gives some lip service to denounce his own actions.
Try arguing with him over the issues. Or
is that against your religion?
Not sure what religion has to do with this.
Well, I did see something about religion that might. Before you suggested
liberals see themselves as their own gods... I think. Something like that. But
that is what Psalms says... not liberalism.
Ever read https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/cb022223dAPR-800x0.jpg?
The bible: "You are gods".
Well how about your read the whole thing?
You are deliberately misinterpreting the bible.
Those are false gods that do not exist.
But you knew that, didn't you?
Psalm 82:6
God presides in the great assembly; he renders
judgment among the “gods”: How long will you a
defend the unjust and show partiality to the
wicked? Defend the weak and the fatherless;
uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from
the hand of the wicked. “The ‘gods’ know nothing,
they understand nothing. They walk about in
darkness; all the foundations of the earth
are shaken. I said, ‘You are “gods”; you
are all sons of the Most High.’ But you will
die like mere mortals; you will fall like
every other ruler.” Rise up, O God, judge
the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.
There goes the idea of monotheism... according to the Bible we are all gods. >> And it makes reference to others ones elsewhere:
Ex. 12.12
"Against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgements"
All other gods? Wow. That is odd, eh?
And how about you read the whole thing,
instead
of deliberately misinterpreting them?
Ex. 12.12
For I will pass through the land of Egypt this
night, and will smite all the firstborn in the
land of Egypt,
both man and beast; and against
all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment:
I am the Lord.
The "gods of Egypt" are false gods. Not the real one.
Here is what Christians and Jews believe.
And God spoke all these words:
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of
Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
“You shall have no other gods before me.
“You shall not make for yourself an image in the
form of anything in heaven above or on the earth
beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow
down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord
your God, am a jealous God,
punishing the children
for the sin of the parents to the third and
fourth generation of those who hate me,
but showing love to a thousand generations of
those who love me and keep my commandments.
Snit. Please stop with the religious bigotry.
-T
On 2/23/23 18:42, Snit wrote:
On Feb 23, 2023 at 6:59:51 PM MST, "T" wrote <tt95mn$1u9sq$1@dont-email.me>: >>
How do you think he fell short of having legal citizenship? Nothing
above says that to me.
Obama could have just showed his birth certificate
and the whole thing would have gone away like the wind.
He did. And birth announcements were shown. It was deemed a huge scam -- going
back to his birth? And the Republican governor of Hawaii verified the birth >> certificate.
Obama was targeted because of his skin color, went above and beyond showing >> more evidence than -- s far as I know -- any other presidential candidate, and
yet many on the right still insisted a black man born in Hawaii was not a
"real" American.
I have seen the analysis of the Hawaii certificate.
It was clearly a fake.
And race had nothing to do with it.
You guys
always play the race card when you have no real
argument.
Also, Obama was not black. He was mixed race,
not that that matters. He was half white and
half black.
Meanwhile those same people had no issue with Trump not showing his taxes -- >> something that is not dictated but has been standard for candidates for a long
time.
The IRS had all his stuff.
Of there was anything wrong
with them, they would have prosecuted.
What you guys did was misuse congressional subpoena
to release his taxes to the public in order to damage
his business. And oh yes, congress was suppose to keep
them private too. Ya. One law for the Democrats and
one law for the rest of us.
In article <tt9rbn$1u9sq$6@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I have seen the analysis of the Hawaii certificate.
It was clearly a fake.
whatever 'analysis' you supposedly saw is what's fake.
his birth certificate is *not* fake. full stop.
And race had nothing to do with it. You guys
always play the race card when you have no real
argument.
race had everything to do with it.
Meanwhile those same people had no issue with Trump not showing his taxes --
something that is not dictated but has been standard for candidates for a >>> long time.
The IRS had all his stuff. Of there was anything wrong
with them, they would have prosecuted.
it takes time to build a case and prosecute.
not to worry, because there's a trial this october, which is not going
to go well for trump and his business, because in his deposition, trump implicitly admitted he committed financial fraud, with penalties
expected to approach $1 billon.
not to worry, because there are *other* court cases to be heard before
that one, which also which won't go well for him.
What you guys did was misuse congressional subpoena
to release his taxes to the public in order to damage
his business. And oh yes, congress was suppose to keep
them private too. Ya.
that's quite the revisionist history and not at all what happened.
One law for the Democrats and
one law for the rest of us.
no, it's one law for everyone and those who violate it pay the price.
simple concept.
trump has managed to get away with numerous crimes for many years, but
those days are rapidly coming to an end.
On 2/24/23 01:20, FromTheRafters wrote:
T wrote on 2/24/2023 :
On 2/23/23 18:42, Snit wrote:
On Feb 23, 2023 at 6:59:51 PM MST, "T" wrote
<tt95mn$1u9sq$1@dont-email.me>:
How do you think he fell short of having legal citizenship? Nothing >>>>>> above says that to me.
Obama could have just showed his birth certificate
and the whole thing would have gone away like the wind.
He did. And birth announcements were shown. It was deemed a huge scam
-- going
back to his birth? And the Republican governor of Hawaii verified the
birth
certificate.
Obama was targeted because of his skin color, went above and beyond
showing
more evidence than -- s far as I know -- any other presidential
candidate, and
yet many on the right still insisted a black man born in Hawaii was
not a
"real" American.
I have seen the analysis of the Hawaii certificate.
It was clearly a fake.
I'd like to see that.
That was yea ago. With the censorship on the web
search engines these days, it would be next to
impossible to find.
T wrote on 2/24/2023 :
On 2/23/23 18:42, Snit wrote:
On Feb 23, 2023 at 6:59:51 PM MST, "T" wrote
<tt95mn$1u9sq$1@dont-email.me>:
How do you think he fell short of having legal citizenship? Nothing
above says that to me.
Obama could have just showed his birth certificate
and the whole thing would have gone away like the wind.
He did. And birth announcements were shown. It was deemed a huge scam -- >>> going
back to his birth? And the Republican governor of Hawaii verified the birth >>> certificate.
Obama was targeted because of his skin color, went above and beyond showing >>> more evidence than -- s far as I know -- any other presidential candidate, >>> and
yet many on the right still insisted a black man born in Hawaii was not a >>> "real" American.
I have seen the analysis of the Hawaii certificate.
It was clearly a fake.
I'd like to see that.
Trump is Hitler reincarnated, "Christians" are insane to think that
he's doing the Lord's work, you are a fool if you are duped by that.
Who is the fool Joel? Someone that repeats
Propaganda Narrative and has his mind so closed
it could be used as a bear trap.
Hitler was a socialist/marxist. He took over
control of all private companies and dictated
every aspect of their business. Company owners
were in name only.
Trump decrease regulations and increased freedom.
You are accusing Trump of an outright lie.
So who is the fool Joel? Any other propaganda and
smears you leave out? End justify the means?
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