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    From Dale@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 9 20:59:55 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    Here is the logic of my belief in divinity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity

    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.

    5) "The Whole" consists of all things.
    6) "The Whole" is conscious of all things.

    Since “The Whole” has conscious of its own that would imply Panentheism
    not Pantheism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

    Advaita has related ancient history.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta

    I do realize religions have histories of encounters with divinity.
    Here observing anything is observing divinity.

    As far as religious life skills I am a universalist. For me the value of
    the skill is more important than the source. I think appreciation works
    both ways.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

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  • From Ted@21:1/5 to Dale on Sat Dec 11 12:19:35 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 20:59:55 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    Here is the logic of my belief in divinity.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity


    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.


    5) "The Whole" consists of all things.
    6) "The Whole" is conscious of all things.


    6) doesn't follow.

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Ted on Sat Dec 11 22:35:16 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 12/11/2021 12:19 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 20:59:55 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    Here is the logic of my belief in divinity.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity


    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.


    5) "The Whole" consists of all things.
    6) "The Whole" is conscious of all things.


    6) doesn't follow.

    I'll have another look.

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  • From Ted@21:1/5 to Dale on Sat Dec 11 22:37:12 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:35:16 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 12/11/2021 12:19 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 20:59:55 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
    wrote:
    Here is the logic of my belief in divinity.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity


    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.


    5) "The Whole" consists of all things.
    6) "The Whole" is conscious of all things.


    6) doesn't follow.


    I'll have another look.


    Thanks Dale. Please let me know if I'm mistaken.

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  • From %@21:1/5 to Ted on Sat Dec 11 20:38:39 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 2021-12-11 8:37 p.m., Ted wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:35:16 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 12/11/2021 12:19 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 20:59:55 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
    wrote:
    Here is the logic of my belief in divinity.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity
    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.
    5) "The Whole" consists of all things.
    6) "The Whole" is conscious of all things.
    6) doesn't follow.


    I'll have another look.


    Thanks Dale. Please let me know if I'm mistaken.

    i'm % which is a whole or part of a group

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  • From Ted@21:1/5 to pursent100@gmail.com on Sat Dec 11 23:54:55 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 20:38:39 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2021-12-11 8:37 p.m., Ted wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:35:16 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
    wrote:
    On 12/11/2021 12:19 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 20:59:55 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
    wrote:
    Here is the logic of my belief in divinity.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity
    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.
    5) "The Whole" consists of all things.
    6) "The Whole" is conscious of all things.
    6) doesn't follow.


    I'll have another look.


    Thanks Dale. Please let me know if I'm
    mistaken.


    i'm % which is a whole or part of a group


    Yes, I agree.

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  • From %@21:1/5 to Ted on Sun Dec 12 11:20:45 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 2021-12-11 9:54 p.m., Ted wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 20:38:39 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2021-12-11 8:37 p.m., Ted wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:35:16 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
    wrote:
    On 12/11/2021 12:19 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 20:59:55 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> >
    wrote:
    Here is the logic of my belief in divinity.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity
    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.
    5) "The Whole" consists of all things.
    6) "The Whole" is conscious of all things.
    6) doesn't follow.
    I'll have another look.
    Thanks Dale. Please let me know if I'm
    mistaken.


    i'm % which is a whole or part of a group


    Yes, I agree.

    nice of you to take part

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  • From Ted@21:1/5 to pursent100@gmail.com on Sun Dec 12 13:32:36 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:20:45 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2021-12-11 9:54 p.m., Ted wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 20:38:39 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On 2021-12-11 8:37 p.m., Ted wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:35:16 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
    wrote:
    On 12/11/2021 12:19 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 20:59:55 -0500, Dale
    <dale@dalekelly.org> >
    wrote:
    Here is the logic of my belief in divinity.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity
    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.
    5) "The Whole" consists of all things.
    6) "The Whole" is conscious of all things.
    6) doesn't follow.
    I'll have another look.
    Thanks Dale. Please let me know if I'm
    mistaken.


    i'm % which is a whole or part of a group


    Yes, I agree.


    nice of you to take part


    LOL.

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  • From %@21:1/5 to Ted on Sun Dec 12 11:36:03 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 2021-12-12 11:32 a.m., Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:20:45 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2021-12-11 9:54 p.m., Ted wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 20:38:39 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On 2021-12-11 8:37 p.m., Ted wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:35:16 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> >
    wrote:
    On 12/11/2021 12:19 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 20:59:55 -0500, Dale
    <dale@dalekelly.org> >
    wrote:
    Here is the logic of my belief in divinity.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity
    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.
    5) "The Whole" consists of all things.
    6) "The Whole" is conscious of all things.
    6) doesn't follow.
    I'll have another look.
    Thanks Dale. Please let me know if I'm
    mistaken.
    i'm % which is a whole or part of a group
    Yes, I agree.


    nice of you to take part


    LOL.

    i just woke up so i'm not firing on all cylinders yet

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Ted on Sun Dec 12 19:21:51 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 12/11/2021 10:37 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:35:16 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 12/11/2021 12:19 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 20:59:55 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
    wrote:
    Here is the logic of my belief in divinity.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity
    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.
    5) "The Whole" consists of all things.
    6) "The Whole" is conscious of all things.
    6) doesn't follow.


    I'll have another look.


    Thanks Dale. Please let me know if I'm mistaken.

    I think you are right.

    There is a gap between (5) and (6).

    While I am pursuing this I will stick with (1) through (4).

    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.

    These still imply "The Whole" has some kind of consciousness.

    Since “The Whole” has conscious of its own that would imply Panentheism
    not Pantheism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

    Advaita has related ancient history.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta


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  • From Ted@21:1/5 to Dale on Mon Dec 13 11:22:39 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 19:21:51 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 12/11/2021 10:37 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:35:16 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
    wrote:
    On 12/11/2021 12:19 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 20:59:55 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
    wrote:
    Here is the logic of my belief in divinity.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity
    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.
    5) "The Whole" consists of all things.
    6) "The Whole" is conscious of all things.
    6) doesn't follow.


    I'll have another look.


    Thanks Dale. Please let me know if I'm mistaken.


    I think you are right.


    There is a gap between (5) and (6).


    While I am pursuing this I will stick with (1) through (4).


    1) I am conscious.
    2) I am part of "The Whole".
    3) "The Whole" is part Me.
    4) "The Whole" is part conscious.


    These still imply "The Whole" has some
    kind of consciousness.


    True.

    Since “The Whole” has conscious of its own that would imply
    Panentheism
    not Pantheism.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism


    Advaita has related ancient history.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advait
    _Vedanta


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