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On 2/23/2024 8:47 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 2/23/24 10:10, Max Boot wrote:
On 2/23/2024 7:41 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 2/22/24 14:43, David Hartung wrote:
https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/annelien-de-dijn-freedom-unruly-history-interview/
Though I disagree with much of this article, I find it interesting and >>>> thought provoking.
 From the article:
[...]
However, this idea of freedom, argues the political historian Annelien de >>> Dijn in her new book Freedom: An Unruly History, is not only a relatively >>> recent invention but must be seen as an antidemocratic reaction to the
American and French revolutions,
[...]
Apparently in this lady's mind anything which is "undemocratic" is
automatically bad.
No, she just wants people to know where that particular conception of freedom
originates.
Why is democracy better than any other type of government?
That's a question only a trolling shitbag would pose.
It is self evident that it is the best, and only legitimate, form of
government. It's the only one that has any prospect of holding the governors >> accountable to the governed other than by violent revolution. And don't give >> me any of your lame bullshit about "pure" democracy devolving into mob rule. >> You know full well that what *we* mean by democracy in this country is
constitutional republicanism.
Then call it what is is.
We call it democracy. When we say "our democracy" to describe our system, we don't mean direct or "pure" democracy (although we do, of course, have limited elements of that at the state and local level). What educated people — that lets
you out — mean when we say "our democracy" is the totality of our system:
* regular elections
* people vote for their executives and legislative representatives
* at state and local levels, people get to vote for ballot measures
* federalism
* separation of powers at the different levels of government
* largely independent judiciary
* the rule of law
* constitutional limitations on the powers of government
That's what "our democracy" means. I'm right about this, and you know I'm right.
Those elements are too many to recite every time one describes our system, so instead we say the convenient shorthand term, "our democracy." You will accept this and live with it. You have neither the moral standing nor the powers of persuasion to do away with it.
Go fuck yourself.
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