• Re: Scientific Discoveries That Suggest Evolution Is False?

    From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to John Harshman on Wed Jul 10 19:46:37 2024
    John Harshman <john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 7/9/24 1:23 AM, jillery wrote:
    MSN has been posting a lot of nonsense from Creationists and cdesign proponentsists recently. The following is an example:

    <https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/mind-and-soul/scientific-discoveries-th
    at-suggest-evolution-is-false/ss-BB1oN5KV?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=c43911ee82944a5598ad288c0bead685&ei=19#image=1>

    <https://tinyurl.com/4na2jfrp>

    From the article:

    *************************************
    For example, Darwin's theory does a good job with the finch birds, explaining how variations in weather patterns result in changes in the shape and structure of the finch beaks. However, that mechanism does
    not do a good job of explaining the origins of birds or other major
    animal groups in the first place. So basically, innovation, no but modification, yes.
    **************************************

    They lost me at "finch birds".

    Come on, any city slicker knows
    that there are finch birds and float birds,

    Jan

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to jillery on Wed Jul 17 10:11:10 2024
    On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 22:53:58 -0400
    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 08:54:57 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 7/15/24 12:27 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 22:03:39 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    []
    Hey, it's Microsoft. Remember the classic choice: Abort Retry Ignore. >>> Always go with Ignore.


    Ignoring willful stupidity lets it grow and fester, as history and
    recent events continue to demonstrate.


    https://xkcd.com/386/


    That's what everybody does on T.O., including you. A subtle
    distinction is people like me criticize the willfully stupid, while
    people like you criticize people like me. Perhaps it has something to
    do with free will. I leave as an exercise which behavior is better
    for the froup.


    Seems like criticising criticism is 'en vogue' here. Despite (because?)
    there are so few regulars.

    You're all a bunch of critics!
    </paraphrase LoB>

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to jillery on Fri Jul 19 09:02:33 2024
    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 23:19:26 -0400
    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:11:10 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
    <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 22:53:58 -0400
    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 08:54:57 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 7/15/24 12:27 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 22:03:39 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    []
    Hey, it's Microsoft. Remember the classic choice: Abort Retry Ignore.
    Always go with Ignore.


    Ignoring willful stupidity lets it grow and fester, as history and
    recent events continue to demonstrate.


    https://xkcd.com/386/


    That's what everybody does on T.O., including you. A subtle
    distinction is people like me criticize the willfully stupid, while
    people like you criticize people like me. Perhaps it has something to
    do with free will. I leave as an exercise which behavior is better
    for the froup.


    Seems like criticising criticism is 'en vogue' here. Despite (because?) >there are so few regulars.

    You're all a bunch of critics!
    </paraphrase LoB>


    The ultimate reward for trolls is not just to get attention, but is to
    get the regulars to critize each other. When that happens, I imagine
    the provocateurs quivering in orgasmic delight. That's one way
    mindlessly dismissive stereotypes like the cited XKCD meme aid and
    abet willfully stupid behavior.


    I doubt anyone is bothering to troll here (though JTEM does like to be
    overly aggressive) . There do seem to be some long held grievances though.

    Death of Usenet is coming soon anyway.


    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to erik simpson on Fri Jul 19 23:15:04 2024
    erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 7/17/24 2:11 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 22:53:58 -0400
    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 08:54:57 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 7/15/24 12:27 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 22:03:39 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    []
    Hey, it's Microsoft. Remember the classic choice: Abort Retry Ignore. >>>>>> Always go with Ignore.


    Ignoring willful stupidity lets it grow and fester, as history and
    recent events continue to demonstrate.


    https://xkcd.com/386/


    That's what everybody does on T.O., including you. A subtle
    distinction is people like me criticize the willfully stupid, while
    people like you criticize people like me. Perhaps it has something to
    do with free will. I leave as an exercise which behavior is better
    for the froup.


    Seems like criticising criticism is 'en vogue' here. Despite (because?)
    there are so few regulars.

    You're all a bunch of critics!
    </paraphrase LoB>

    You're right that the number of participants here is declining rapidly,
    and there isn't a lot of disagreement among those left. The
    creationists are gone, and with R. Dean the last of the ID (whatever
    that ever meant) proponents are also gone. Occasional interesting
    topics may appear, and I appreciate the comments from those better
    informed than I am. For Jillery, I didn't intend any criticism of you
    in your or Ron O's determination to call out willful stupidity where you
    find it. There's certainly plenty of it around.

    I haven’t been paying much attention here lately. I have JTEM engaged
    threads flagged pink and there seems to be a few lately. Not sure how much longer I’ll follow usenet.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to John on Sun Jul 21 17:40:45 2024
    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 22:53:58 -0400
    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 08:54:57 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 7/15/24 12:27 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 22:03:39 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    []
    Hey, it's Microsoft. Remember the classic choice: Abort Retry Ignore. >>> Always go with Ignore.


    Ignoring willful stupidity lets it grow and fester, as history and
    recent events continue to demonstrate.


    https://xkcd.com/386/


    That's what everybody does on T.O., including you. A subtle
    distinction is people like me criticize the willfully stupid, while
    people like you criticize people like me. Perhaps it has something to
    do with free will. I leave as an exercise which behavior is better
    for the froup.


    Seems like criticising criticism is 'en vogue' here. Despite (because?)
    there are so few regulars.

    And some regulars here have very sensitve knees
    that will jerk at the slightest tap.
    (nobody in particular in mind of course)

    Jan

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