We share around half of our genes with the ordinary banana...
That assuredly does not come from humans BREEDING with bananas... It
most liikely comes from humans EATING bananas, pretty much forever, and probably throughout the universe and not just on this planet.
Likewise, the first experience humans ever had with Neanderthals on
Earth was watching friends and family members being killed and eaten by
them, so that eating a Neanderthal that had been killed in some battle
would have just been sending the Neanderthals a message in their own language...
In both cases, what you seem to be talking about is bacterial insertian
of genes.
There is a claim that, because some humans have a certain small number
of genes in common with Neanderthals, that humans and Neanderthals must
have interbred. That amounts to thinking that a Neanderthal male
could/would rape a woman and, rather than cooking and eating her
afterwards as usual, somehow or other keep her alive long enough to
bear a cross-species child, raise that child to reproductive age, and
have him/her breed back into human populations without anybody catching
on, i.e. the claim is ridiculous.
In real life:
Neanderthal females would kill that woman the first time her new owner
left her alone for ten minutes.
The woman wouldn't fare any better than the subjects of the commie
attempts to breed humans and apes into super workers in the 1930s.
Humans would notice the child was different (really different...)
And humans would kill that child and everybody else like him as part of
the same program which killed out the Neanderthal. They would not need
DNA tests to determine who to kill for that sort of reason, it would be exceedingly obvious.
https://youtu.be/mZbmywzGAVs
In other words, it would be a miracle for something like that to ever
have happened once while the claims from Paabo et. al. require it to
have been going on all the time. That is, for human/hominid
cross-breeding to have left detectable traces in the DNA of modern
humans, it would have to have been entirely common.
One zero-probability event in the history of the universe? Maybe, but
not an infinite series of them, i.e. not something that stands
everything we know about probability on its head.
We share around half of our genes with the ordinary banana...
That assuredly does not come from humans BREEDING with bananas... It
most liikely comes from humans EATING bananas, pretty much forever, and probably throughout the universe and not just on this planet.
Likewise, the first experience humans ever had with Neanderthals on
Earth was watching friends and family members being killed and eaten by
them, so that eating a Neanderthal that had been killed in some battle
would have just been sending the Neanderthals a message in their own language...
In both cases, what you seem to be talking about is bacterial insertian
of genes.
There is a claim that, because some humans have a certain small number
of genes in common with Neanderthals, that humans and Neanderthals must
have interbred. That amounts to thinking that a Neanderthal male
could/would rape a woman and, rather than cooking and eating her
afterwards as usual, somehow or other keep her alive long enough to bear
a cross-species child, raise that child to reproductive age, and have
him/her breed back into human populations without anybody catching on,
i.e. the claim is ridiculous.
In real life:
Neanderthal females would kill that woman the first time her new owner
left her alone for ten minutes.
The woman wouldn't fare any better than the subjects of the commie
attempts to breed humans and apes into super workers in the 1930s.
Humans would notice the child was different (really different...)
And humans would kill that child and everybody else like him as part of
the same program which killed out the Neanderthal. They would not need
DNA tests to determine who to kill for that sort of reason, it would be exceedingly obvious.
https://youtu.be/mZbmywzGAVs
In other words, it would be a miracle for something like that to ever
have happened once while the claims from Paabo et. al. require it to
have been going on all the time. That is, for human/hominid
cross-breeding to have left detectable traces in the DNA of modern
humans, it would have to have been entirely common.
One zero-probability event in the history of the universe? Maybe, but
not an infinite series of them, i.e. not something that stands
everything we know about probability on its head.
We share around half of our genes with the ordinary banana...
That assuredly does not come from humans BREEDING with bananas... It
most liikely comes from humans EATING bananas, pretty much forever, and probably throughout the universe and not just on this planet.
Likewise, the first experience humans ever had with Neanderthals on
Earth was watching friends and family members being killed and eaten by
them, so that eating a Neanderthal that had been killed in some battle
would have just been sending the Neanderthals a message in their own language...
In both cases, what you seem to be talking about is bacterial insertian
of genes.
There is a claim that, because some humans have a certain small number
of genes in common with Neanderthals, that humans and Neanderthals must
have interbred. That amounts to thinking that a Neanderthal male
could/would rape a woman and, rather than cooking and eating her
afterwards as usual, somehow or other keep her alive long enough to bear
a cross-species child, raise that child to reproductive age, and have
him/her breed back into human populations without anybody catching on,
i.e. the claim is ridiculous.
In real life:
Neanderthal females would kill that woman the first time her new owner
left her alone for ten minutes.
The woman wouldn't fare any better than the subjects of the commie
attempts to breed humans and apes into super workers in the 1930s.
Humans would notice the child was different (really different...)
And humans would kill that child and everybody else like him as part of
the same program which killed out the Neanderthal. They would not need
DNA tests to determine who to kill for that sort of reason, it would be exceedingly obvious.
https://youtu.be/mZbmywzGAVs
In other words, it would be a miracle for something like that to ever
have happened once while the claims from Paabo et. al. require it to
have been going on all the time. That is, for human/hominid
cross-breeding to have left detectable traces in the DNA of modern
humans, it would have to have been entirely common.
One zero-probability event in the history of the universe? Maybe, but
not an infinite series of them, i.e. not something that stands
everything we know about probability on its head.
On 2024-04-03 13:29:25 +0000, panther2020 said:
We share around half of our genes with the ordinary banana...
That assuredly does not come from humans BREEDING with bananas... It
most liikely comes from humans EATING bananas, pretty much forever,
and probably throughout the universe and not just on this planet.
Likewise, the first experience humans ever had with Neanderthals on
Earth was watching friends and family members being killed and eaten
by them, so that eating a Neanderthal that had been killed in some
battle would have just been sending the Neanderthals a message in
their own language...
In both cases, what you seem to be talking about is bacterial
insertian of genes.
There is a claim that, because some humans have a certain small number
of genes in common with Neanderthals, that humans and Neanderthals
must have interbred. That amounts to thinking that a Neanderthal male
could/would rape a woman and, rather than cooking and eating her
afterwards as usual, somehow or other keep her alive long enough to
bear a cross-species child, raise that child to reproductive age, and
have him/her breed back into human populations without anybody
catching on, i.e. the claim is ridiculous.
In real life:
Neanderthal females would kill that woman the first time her new owner
left her alone for ten minutes.
The woman wouldn't fare any better than the subjects of the commie
attempts to breed humans and apes into super workers in the 1930s.
Humans would notice the child was different (really different...)
And humans would kill that child and everybody else like him as part
of the same program which killed out the Neanderthal. They would not
need DNA tests to determine who to kill for that sort of reason, it
would be exceedingly obvious.
https://youtu.be/mZbmywzGAVs
In other words, it would be a miracle for something like that to ever
have happened once while the claims from Paabo et. al. require it to
have been going on all the time. That is, for human/hominid
cross-breeding to have left detectable traces in the DNA of modern
humans, it would have to have been entirely common.
One zero-probability event in the history of the universe? Maybe, but
not an infinite series of them, i.e. not something that stands
everything we know about probability on its head.
Severe case of Dunning-Kruger here. So much speculation on so little knowledge. I leave it to others with more energy (Mark?) to take it apart.
There is a claim that, because some humans have a certain small number
of genes in common with Neanderthals, that humans and Neanderthals must
have interbred. That amounts to thinking that a Neanderthal male
could/would rape a woman and, rather than cooking and eating her
afterwards as usual, somehow or other keep her alive long enough to bear
a cross-species child, raise that child to reproductive age, and have
him/her breed back into human populations without anybody catching on,
i.e. the claim is ridiculous.
In real life:
Neanderthal females would kill that woman the first time her new owner
left her alone for ten minutes.
The woman wouldn't fare any better than the subjects of the commie
attempts to breed humans and apes into super workers in the 1930s.
Humans would notice the child was different (really different...)
And humans would kill that child and everybody else like him as part of
the same program which killed out the Neanderthal. They would not need
DNA tests to determine who to kill for that sort of reason, it would be exceedingly obvious.
https://youtu.be/mZbmywzGAVs
In other words, it would be a miracle for something like that to ever
have happened once while the claims from Paabo et. al. require it to
have been going on all the time. That is, for human/hominid
cross-breeding to have left detectable traces in the DNA of modern
humans, it would have to have been entirely common.
One zero-probability event in the history of the universe? Maybe, but
not an infinite series of them, i.e. not something that stands
everything we know about probability on its head.
As for Danny Vendramini, you have to remember that Neanderthal dna is described as roughly halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee, and
a bit closer to that of the chimp. You need to ask yourself what you
think such a creature would look like....
On 4/3/2024 9:14 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2024-04-03 13:29:25 +0000, panther2020 said:
We share around half of our genes with the ordinary banana...
That assuredly does not come from humans BREEDING with bananas... It
most liikely comes from humans EATING bananas, pretty much forever, and
probably throughout the universe and not just on this planet.
Likewise, the first experience humans ever had with Neanderthals on
Earth was watching friends and family members being killed and eaten by
them, so that eating a Neanderthal that had been killed in some battle
would have just been sending the Neanderthals a message in their own
language...
In both cases, what you seem to be talking about is bacterial insertian
of genes.
There is a claim that, because some humans have a certain small number
of genes in common with Neanderthals, that humans and Neanderthals must
have interbred. That amounts to thinking that a Neanderthal male
could/would rape a woman and, rather than cooking and eating her
afterwards as usual, somehow or other keep her alive long enough to
bear a cross-species child, raise that child to reproductive age, and
have him/her breed back into human populations without anybody catching
on, i.e. the claim is ridiculous.
In real life:
Neanderthal females would kill that woman the first time her new owner
left her alone for ten minutes.
The woman wouldn't fare any better than the subjects of the commie
attempts to breed humans and apes into super workers in the 1930s.
Humans would notice the child was different (really different...)
And humans would kill that child and everybody else like him as part of
the same program which killed out the Neanderthal. They would not need
DNA tests to determine who to kill for that sort of reason, it would be
exceedingly obvious.
https://youtu.be/mZbmywzGAVs
In other words, it would be a miracle for something like that to ever
have happened once while the claims from Paabo et. al. require it to
have been going on all the time. That is, for human/hominid
cross-breeding to have left detectable traces in the DNA of modern
humans, it would have to have been entirely common.
One zero-probability event in the history of the universe? Maybe, but
not an infinite series of them, i.e. not something that stands
everything we know about probability on its head.
Severe case of Dunning-Kruger here. So much speculation on so little
knowledge. I leave it to others with more energy (Mark?) to take it
apart.
Some ex child actor started using the creationist banana routine around
20 years ago, and it was just as stupid as it is now.
On 04/04/2024 03:54, panther2020 wrote:
As for Danny Vendramini, you have to remember that Neanderthal dna is
described as roughly halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee, and
a bit closer to that of the chimp. You need to ask yourself what you
think such a creature would look like....
Like Lucy?
However, the estimates are the the common ancestor of us and
Neandertals lived 500,000 years ago, and the common ancestor of us and chimpanzees an order of magnitude earlier. Whoever described Neandertal
DNA as "roughly halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee, and
a bit closer to that of the chimp" was seriously inaccurate.
Again...
There is a claim that, because some humans have a certain small number
of genes in common with Neanderthals, that humans and Neanderthals must
have interbred. That amounts to thinking that a Neanderthal male
could/would rape a woman and, rather than cooking and eating her
afterwards as usual, somehow or other keep her alive long enough to bear
a cross-species child, raise that child to reproductive age, and have
him/her breed back into human populations without anybody catching on,
i.e. the claim is ridiculous.
In real life:
Neanderthal females would kill that woman the first time her new owner
left her alone for ten minutes.
The woman wouldn't fare any better than the subjects of the commie
attempts to breed humans and apes into super workers in the 1930s.
Humans would notice the child was different (really different...)
And humans would kill that child and everybody else like him as part of
the same program which killed out the Neanderthal. They would not need
DNA tests to determine who to kill for that sort of reason, it would be
exceedingly obvious.
https://youtu.be/mZbmywzGAVs
In other words, it would be a miracle for something like that to ever
have happened once while the claims from Paabo et. al. require it to
have been going on all the time. That is, for human/hominid
cross-breeding to have left detectable traces in the DNA of modern
humans, it would have to have been entirely common.
One zero-probability event in the history of the universe? Maybe, but
not an infinite series of them, i.e. not something that stands
everything we know about probability on its head.
All of that rules out the narrative put out by Paabo and others. The alternative I propose can not be ruled out so easily.
Here is what I think you have to picture. A cromagnon war party fights a pitched battle with some Neanderthal family group in the late afternoon
or evening and, they greatly outnumber the hominids and have javelins
and atlatls while the hominids are limited to thrusting spears so that
the affair is one sided. Afterwards, the humans are sitting around a
fire licking any wounds, there are eight or ten neanderthals lying
around dead, and one of them says something like:
"Man, this has been a hell of a day, I'm hungry enough to eat just about anything and I'm not about to go off hunting right now, what the hell
could there be to eat around here??"
Think really hard, what do you suspect those guys are eating that night?
And, unless they were to somehow manage to cook one of those hominids
very thoroughly, bacterial gene insertion would be a real possibility.
Common genes from some very remote ancestor of both humans and hominids
is not an option, since all humans would have the genes, and not just Europeans and Asians but not Africans as is the case. Plainly,
Neanderthals were never on he menu in Africa.
As for Danny Vendramini, you have to remember that Neanderthal dna is described as roughly halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee, and
a bit closer to that of the chimp. You need to ask yourself what you
think such a creature would look like....
On 4/3/24 7:14 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2024-04-03 13:29:25 +0000, panther2020 said:No, this looks like a job for JTEM. Let them hash it out, and nobody
We share around half of our genes with the ordinary banana...
That assuredly does not come from humans BREEDING with bananas... It
most liikely comes from humans EATING bananas, pretty much forever,
and probably throughout the universe and not just on this planet.
Likewise, the first experience humans ever had with Neanderthals on
Earth was watching friends and family members being killed and eaten
by them, so that eating a Neanderthal that had been killed in some
battle would have just been sending the Neanderthals a message in
their own language...
In both cases, what you seem to be talking about is bacterial
insertian of genes.
There is a claim that, because some humans have a certain small number
of genes in common with Neanderthals, that humans and Neanderthals
must have interbred. That amounts to thinking that a Neanderthal male
could/would rape a woman and, rather than cooking and eating her
afterwards as usual, somehow or other keep her alive long enough to
bear a cross-species child, raise that child to reproductive age, and
have him/her breed back into human populations without anybody
catching on, i.e. the claim is ridiculous.
In real life:
Neanderthal females would kill that woman the first time her new owner
left her alone for ten minutes.
The woman wouldn't fare any better than the subjects of the commie
attempts to breed humans and apes into super workers in the 1930s.
Humans would notice the child was different (really different...)
And humans would kill that child and everybody else like him as part
of the same program which killed out the Neanderthal. They would not
need DNA tests to determine who to kill for that sort of reason, it
would be exceedingly obvious.
https://youtu.be/mZbmywzGAVs
In other words, it would be a miracle for something like that to ever
have happened once while the claims from Paabo et. al. require it to
have been going on all the time. That is, for human/hominid
cross-breeding to have left detectable traces in the DNA of modern
humans, it would have to have been entirely common.
One zero-probability event in the history of the universe? Maybe, but
not an infinite series of them, i.e. not something that stands
everything we know about probability on its head.
Severe case of Dunning-Kruger here. So much speculation on so little
knowledge. I leave it to others with more energy (Mark?) to take it apart. >>
else needs to be bothered.
Are we as closely related to Saccharomyces cerevisiae as we are to bananas?
We share around half of our genes with the ordinary banana...
That assuredly does not come from humans BREEDING with bananas... It
most liikely comes from humans EATING bananas, pretty much forever, and probably throughout the universe and not just on this planet.
Likewise, the first experience humans ever had with Neanderthals on
Earth was watching friends and family members being killed and eaten by
them, so that eating a Neanderthal that had been killed in some battle
would have just been sending the Neanderthals a message in their own language...
In both cases, what you seem to be talking about is bacterial insertian
of genes.
There is a claim that, because some humans have a certain small number
of genes in common with Neanderthals, that humans and Neanderthals must
have interbred. That amounts to thinking that a Neanderthal male
could/would rape a woman and, rather than cooking and eating her
afterwards as usual, somehow or other keep her alive long enough to bear
a cross-species child, raise that child to reproductive age, and have
him/her breed back into human populations without anybody catching on,
i.e. the claim is ridiculous.
In real life:
Neanderthal females would kill that woman the first time her new owner
left her alone for ten minutes.
The woman wouldn't fare any better than the subjects of the commie
attempts to breed humans and apes into super workers in the 1930s.
Humans would notice the child was different (really different...)
And humans would kill that child and everybody else like him as part of
the same program which killed out the Neanderthal. They would not need
DNA tests to determine who to kill for that sort of reason, it would be exceedingly obvious.
https://youtu.be/mZbmywzGAVs
In other words, it would be a miracle for something like that to ever
have happened once while the claims from Paabo et. al. require it to
have been going on all the time. That is, for human/hominid
cross-breeding to have left detectable traces in the DNA of modern
humans, it would have to have been entirely common.
One zero-probability event in the history of the universe? Maybe, but
not an infinite series of them, i.e. not something that stands
everything we know about probability on its head.
panther2020 wrote:
We share around half of our genes with the ordinary banana...
That assuredly does not come from humans BREEDING with bananas... It
most liikely comes from humans EATING bananas, pretty much forever, and
probably throughout the universe and not just on this planet.
That over-complicates things, eating is not necessary. I mean,
have you ever noticed how much dogs look like their owners? That's
of course not because they eat each other, it is perfectly sufficient
to be exposed to each other's morphic fields.
Just try it out yourself: Stay for eight months or so next to a
banana, doing absolutely nothing else but looking at it. At the
end of that period, we can compare you and the banana, and I'm sure
that by that time you two will look much moe similar than before
On 04/04/2024 09:47, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
Are we as closely related to Saccharomyces cerevisiae as we are to bananas?
We're more closely related to S. cerevisiae than we are to Musa
paradisiaca. The location of the eukaryote root has been disputed, but
it's generally agreed that Holomycota and Holozoa form a clade that's
on one side of the root, and Viridiplantae are on the other side.
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