• Re: Peter Nyikos dies 18 Feb, Google kills Usenet 22 Feb. Coincidence?

    From Burkhard@21:1/5 to pzm...@gmail.com on Thu Feb 22 07:21:03 2024
    On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 11:18:17 PM UTC, pzm...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 4:23:17 PM UTC-6, MarkE wrote:
    On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 12:58:16 AM UTC+11, pzm...@gmail.com wrote:
    I mostly abandoned TO many years ago, in part because of the noise problem, exemplified by obsessives like Nyikos and the persistent creationist idiots who had nothing to say but disrupted every conversation. Now that we're finally free of one
    obnoxious twit, Google decides to end its support?

    There is no god.

    Some of us old people have moved on to blogs (mine for instance, https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/, or Larry Moran's, https://sandwalk.blogspot.com/, or the Panda's Thumb, https://pandasthumb.org/ ) where you can continue the good fight.
    Unfortunately, blogs are in decline, too (I blame google for that, too -- they killed easy RSS access). The battle continues!
    PZ, I concede that Peter could be (was) obsessive and worse, but is there a moment for grace and mercy, rather than always "being hated and hating"? Not intended judgmentally, but to offer another way:

    "Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone. At one time we too were foolish, disobedient,
    deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but
    because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of
    eternal life." (Titus 3:1-7)
    You will not persuade me by quoting the Bible at me. Quite the contrary.

    In case the bible verse was too distracting, herewith a secular endorsement of the content of MarkE's point

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  • From Mark Isaak@21:1/5 to erik simpson on Mon Feb 26 09:17:26 2024
    On 2/21/24 8:49 AM, erik simpson wrote:
    On 2/21/24 5:55 AM, pzmyers@gmail.com wrote:
    I mostly abandoned TO many years ago, in part because of the noise
    problem, exemplified by obsessives like Nyikos and the persistent
    creationist idiots who had nothing to say but disrupted every
    conversation. Now that we're finally free of one obnoxious twit,
    Google decides to end its support?

    There is no god.

    Some of us old people have moved on to blogs (mine for instance,
    https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/, or Larry Moran's,
    https://sandwalk.blogspot.com/, or the Panda's Thumb,
    https://pandasthumb.org/ ) where you can continue the good fight.
    Unfortunately, blogs are in decline, too (I blame google for that, too
    -- they killed easy RSS access). The battle continues!

    At least for now, TO has lost its classic reason to be.  Who knows
    what's ahead.  At least check in from time to time.  Nothing is
    off-topic now.

    Has there been any statement of cause of death? Something stuck in his
    craw, perhaps?

    --
    Mark Isaak
    "Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That
    doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to erik simpson on Wed Feb 28 02:41:36 2024
    erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/24 9:17 AM, Mark Isaak wrote:
    On 2/21/24 8:49 AM, erik simpson wrote:
    On 2/21/24 5:55 AM, pzmyers@gmail.com wrote:
    I mostly abandoned TO many years ago, in part because of the noise
    problem, exemplified by obsessives like Nyikos and the persistent
    creationist idiots who had nothing to say but disrupted every
    conversation. Now that we're finally free of one obnoxious twit,
    Google decides to end its support?

    There is no god.

    Some of us old people have moved on to blogs (mine for instance,
    https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/, or Larry Moran's,
    https://sandwalk.blogspot.com/, or the Panda's Thumb,
    https://pandasthumb.org/ ) where you can continue the good fight.
    Unfortunately, blogs are in decline, too (I blame google for that,
    too -- they killed easy RSS access). The battle continues!

    At least for now, TO has lost its classic reason to be.  Who knows
    what's ahead.  At least check in from time to time.  Nothing is
    off-topic now.

    Has there been any statement of cause of death? Something stuck in his
    craw, perhaps?

    I don't know of any statement, but I haven't looked hard. He was about
    78; not a young man.

    He was 51 when I first encountered him here. I’m 56 now. I guess that’s how age and years work but wow, just wow!

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  • From Dgb@21:1/5 to pzmyers@gmail.com on Thu Feb 29 14:47:43 2024
    On 21 Feb 2024 at 13:55:26 GMT, "pzmyers@gmail.com" <pzmyers@gmail.com> wrote:

    I mostly abandoned TO many years ago, in part because of the noise problem, exemplified by obsessives like Nyikos and the persistent creationist idiots who had nothing to say but disrupted every conversation. Now that we're finally free of one obnoxious twit, Google decides to end its support?

    There is no god.

    Some of us old people have moved on to blogs (mine for instance, https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/, or Larry Moran's, https://sandwalk.blogspot.com/, or the Panda's Thumb, https://pandasthumb.org/
    ) where you can continue the good fight. Unfortunately, blogs are in decline, too (I blame google for that, too -- they killed easy RSS access). The battle continues!

    Thank you for your comments.

    Sadly, the link you have provided to your own Blog doesn't 'work'.

    The other two are just fine.

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  • From Ernest Major@21:1/5 to Ron Dean on Fri Mar 1 09:25:55 2024
    On 01/03/2024 05:01, Ron Dean wrote:
    John Harshman wrote:
    On 2/28/24 8:50 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
    John Harshman wrote:
    On 2/28/24 6:32 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
    John Harshman wrote:
    On 2/28/24 2:00 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
    pzmyers@gmail.com wrote:
    I mostly abandoned TO many years ago, in part because of the
    noise problem, exemplified by obsessives like Nyikos and the
    persistent creationist idiots who had nothing to say but
    disrupted every conversation. Now that we're finally free of one >>>>>>>> obnoxious twit, Google decides to end its support?

    There is no god.
    ;
    This is _your_ claim, but I see no proof. To know is impossible. >>>>>>> Therefore, it's just your opinion, for what it's worth! But I
    hope you are wrong. We buried my sister after a long term fight
    with cancer. I sincerely hope to see her again some day. But I
    don't know. Neither do you!

    The clueless is strong in this one.
    ;
    The truth is we are _all_ clueless, since we cannot possibly _know_
    for an absolute fact!
    It's belief and belief _only_.

    I suppose it's only right that I explain the nature of your
    immediate example of cluelessness. So here: you were responding
    seriously to a joke by PZ. It's possible that you have no sense of
    humor and so are unable to recognize it, or that you just read that
    sentence while ignoring the prior context. The details of your
    particular cluelessness in that case are not entirely clear. But its
    general nature is clear. HTH.

    I responded to the comment "there is no God" so, are you claiming
    that PZ was joking?
    I don't care who wrote the phrase "there is no God" it's just another
    mindless and thoughtless unproven claim.

    Reading and thinking are not among your talents. Have you tried
    baking? Oh, but you probably have to read for that. Never mind, we'll
    think of something. Well, you probably won't.

    I simply responded only to the comment "there is no God". That's all!
    For some reason you cannot deal with this, so what do you do: not
    surprising - you resort to belittling, personal assassination  and
    slander. I don't have to deal with insults from you!


    As I understood, in context the phrase "there is no God" is an idiomatic
    way of saying that life is unfair. (PZ Myers' original post didn't reach
    me, so I never saw it in its original context.) It's one thing to miss
    this on first reading - it's another thing (Trump Syndrome) to double
    down on your original interpretation when corrected.

    --
    alias Ernest Major

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Thu Mar 7 23:02:24 2024
    Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> writes:

    I would say, let's get back to what we
    are in talk.origins for.

    What is that?

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Thu Mar 7 23:18:30 2024
    Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 28/02/2024 22:00, Ron Dean wrote:
    pzmyers@gmail.com wrote:
    I mostly abandoned TO many years ago, in part because of the noise
    problem, exemplified by obsessives like Nyikos and the persistent
    creationist idiots who had nothing to say but disrupted every
    conversation. Now that we're finally free of one obnoxious twit,
    Google decides to end its support?

    There is no god.

    This is _your_ claim, but I see no proof. To know is impossible.

    We've established that the statement was
    presented as a joke. I perceive that
    you aren't comfortable with it being a
    joke. I give respect to that stance.

    I would say, let's get back to what we
    are in talk.origins for. But I think that
    what most of us are in talk.origins for
    is repetitive arguments between apologists
    of science and misguided or dishonest
    creationists, and I am just as happy to
    have less of that. But if I don't accept
    the role of apologist, then someone who
    likes it less than I do will receive it.



    Plus we’re acclimating to a post-GG and post-Nyikos talk.origins milieu,
    each with its own set of adjustments. I guess Burkhard and Lawyer Daggett
    are not returning in the near future.

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Sun Mar 10 13:43:50 2024
    Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> writes:

    On 07/03/2024 23:02, Richmond wrote:
    Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> writes:

    I would say, let's get back to what we
    are in talk.origins for.
    What is that?

    It is what I described in the sentence
    that I typed after the word "for".

    I see, I thought you were excluding yourself from that "most people"
    when you said you were happy to have less of it.

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  • From panther2020@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 2 20:34:20 2024
    Re: Peter Nyikos dies 18 Feb....

    First I'd heard of that. How old was Peter?

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