• science reporting strikes again

    From Ernest Major@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 19 13:22:19 2024
    According to a press report, a passing star caused the PETM.

    "According to a new study published in The Astrophysical Journal
    Letters, the relatively close passing of a star 56 million years ago
    caused the Earth’s temperature to rise by eight degrees centigrade."

    https://www.indy100.com/science-tech/earth-orbit-chance-encounter-star

    The actual paper says that the star passed by 2.8 million years ago
    (only a factor of 20 difference). What the paper says is that taking
    account of perturbations caused by the flyby, the uncertainty in the eccentricity of the earth's orbit at the time of the PETM is
    considerably larger, which makes an orbital forcing more tenable as a
    cause of the PETM.

    https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/ad24fb

    It doesn't strike me a plausible explanation for 200,000 year spike of
    the PETM, on the reading that what the paper is reporting is a greater uncertainty in the eccentricity, not a greater rate of change of the eccentricity. A contribution to the generally elevated temperature of
    the Palaeocene and Eocene may be more plausible.

    --
    alias Ernest Major

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  • From Ernest Major@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Tue Feb 20 16:59:53 2024
    On 19/02/2024 22:54, William Hyde wrote:
    On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 8:23:13 AM UTC-5, Ernest Major wrote:
    According to a press report, a passing star caused the PETM.

    "According to a new study published in The Astrophysical Journal
    Letters, the relatively close passing of a star 56 million years ago
    caused the Earth’s temperature to rise by eight degrees centigrade."

    https://www.indy100.com/science-tech/earth-orbit-chance-encounter-star

    The actual paper says that the star passed by 2.8 million years ago
    (only a factor of 20 difference). What the paper says is that taking
    account of perturbations caused by the flyby, the uncertainty in the
    eccentricity of the earth's orbit at the time of the PETM is
    considerably larger, which makes an orbital forcing more tenable as a
    cause of the PETM.

    It is true that due to it's chaotic nature, we cannot predict the evolution of orbital parameters infinitely far into the past.

    But observations (and such things as conservation of energy) do provide
    some constraints.

    In rocks laid down well before this event, (e.t. the Triassic) the temporal signature of Milankovitch variations in orbital parameters is clear, and it is the
    same signature we see in more recent records. It is not clear to me
    that a passing object could induce major changes in orbital variations, which later resume their previous behavior.

    The long eccentricity cycles are controlled by interactions between
    the Earth, Jupiter, and Saturn, will little impact from other bodies.
    If either of these outer planets were seriously perturbed by
    a passing object, the tempo of eccentricity changes should vary.

    Eccentricity itself has little direct effect on the amount of sunlight reaching
    the earth. It's major impact is in combination with the precession of
    the equinoxes, and this is due to the gravitational pull of the moon
    and sun. It will not be altered by perturbations in the orbits of
    other planets, or by a plausibly higher eccentricity in the earth's orbit.

    The linear effect of all orbital variations, to a very good approximation,
    is to redistribute sunlight among latitudes and seasons, not to
    contribute to a net warming or cooling of the planet. It takes
    nonlinear feedbacks (e.g. ice albedo) to rectify the signal one
    way or another.

    William Hyde


    I've tracked down the press release

    https://www.psi.edu/blog/passing-stars-altered-orbital-changes-in-earth-other-planets/

    --
    alias Ernest Major

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