• Re: What Physicists Have Been Missing /BY SABINE HOSSENFELDER/

    From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to israel sadovnik on Tue Feb 6 23:25:51 2024
    israel sadovnik <israelsadovnik@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Physicists Have Been Missing
    An exciting new theory reconciles gravity and quantum physics. I think
    it's wrong. But I may be too.

    BY SABINE HOSSENFELDER February 2, 2024
    -------
    But today, the foundations of physics are a sleepy place. We're still
    chewing on the same problems that we had a century ago—and all that
    chewing hasn't made them any more digestible. What is dark matter? What
    does quantum mechanics really mean? And why does gravity refuse to
    cooperate with quantum physics? These are problems that, when I can't
    sleep, I like to think have already kept Einstein up at night.

    Sure, Sabine is good at talking,
    but that's about the only thing she is good at.
    Don't expect solutions coming from her.

    What I have been missing would have been a more honest title,
    (guess she still claims to be a physicist herself)

    Jan

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?w5bDtiBUaWli?=@21:1/5 to israel sadovnik on Wed Feb 7 00:34:08 2024
    On Wednesday 7 February 2024 at 08:08:02 UTC+2, israel sadovnik wrote:
    On Wednesday 7 February 2024 at 00:28:02 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    israel sadovnik <israels...@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Physicists Have Been Missing
    An exciting new theory reconciles gravity and quantum physics. I think it's wrong. But I may be too.

    BY SABINE HOSSENFELDER February 2, 2024
    -------
    But today, the foundations of physics are a sleepy place. We're still chewing on the same problems that we had a century ago—and all that chewing hasn't made them any more digestible. What is dark matter? What does quantum mechanics really mean? And why does gravity refuse to cooperate with quantum physics? These are problems that, when I can't sleep, I like to think have already kept Einstein up at night.
    Sure, Sabine is good at talking,
    but that's about the only thing she is good at.
    Don't expect solutions coming from her.

    What I have been missing would have been a more honest title,
    (guess she still claims to be a physicist herself)

    Jan
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    Worriment in the situation in physics was described even earlier (in 2006) by Lee Smolin in his book “The trouble with Physics”:
    ‘’ . . . at least one big idea is missing. How do we find that missing idea?’’
    / Page 308. by Lee Smolin /
    ------
    There are really not much to worry. We do not understand physics. When
    I was kid in school then half of class had difficulty to understand most elementary physics; when my kids went to school the situation was same.
    We are slow, dim-witted, easily distracted and short-lived. It is normal that no one understands some higher part of physics. It is surprise that we
    have figured out so lot of it.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to israel sadovnik on Wed Feb 7 11:40:03 2024
    israel sadovnik <israelsadovnik@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday 7 February 2024 at 00:28:02 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    israel sadovnik <israels...@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Physicists Have Been Missing
    An exciting new theory reconciles gravity and quantum physics. I think it's wrong. But I may be too.

    BY SABINE HOSSENFELDER February 2, 2024
    -------
    But today, the foundations of physics are a sleepy place. We're still chewing on the same problems that we had a century ago—and all that chewing hasn't made them any more digestible. What is dark matter? What does quantum mechanics really mean? And why does gravity refuse to cooperate with quantum physics? These are problems that, when I can't sleep, I like to think have already kept Einstein up at night.
    Sure, Sabine is good at talking,
    but that's about the only thing she is good at.
    Don't expect solutions coming from her.

    What I have been missing would have been a more honest title,
    (guess she still claims to be a physicist herself)

    Jan
    ------
    Worriment in the situation in physics was described even earlier (in 2006)
    by Lee Smolin in his book "The trouble with Physics":
    '' ... at least one big idea is missing. How do we find that missing idea?''
    / Page 308. by Lee Smolin /

    Sure, Sabine isn't as original as she would like to be.
    The trouble was already brewing long before Smolin
    voiced it in a popular book.

    String theory has failed to deliver the goods,
    and nobody has any idea what to do next,

    Jan

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to ootiib@hot.ee on Wed Feb 7 11:40:04 2024
    Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> wrote:

    On Wednesday 7 February 2024 at 08:08:02 UTC+2, israel sadovnik wrote:
    On Wednesday 7 February 2024 at 00:28:02 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    israel sadovnik <israels...@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Physicists Have Been Missing
    An exciting new theory reconciles gravity and quantum physics. I think it's wrong. But I may be too.

    BY SABINE HOSSENFELDER February 2, 2024
    -------
    But today, the foundations of physics are a sleepy place. We're
    still chewing on the same problems that we had a century ago—and all that chewing hasn't made them any more digestible. What is dark
    matter? What does quantum mechanics really mean? And why does
    gravity refuse to cooperate with quantum physics? These are problems that, when I can't sleep, I like to think have already kept Einstein
    up at night.
    Sure, Sabine is good at talking,
    but that's about the only thing she is good at.
    Don't expect solutions coming from her.

    What I have been missing would have been a more honest title,
    (guess she still claims to be a physicist herself)

    Jan
    ------
    Worriment in the situation in physics was described even earlier (in
    2006) by Lee Smolin in his book "The trouble with Physics": '' . . . at least one big idea is missing. How do we find that missing idea?'' /
    Page 308. by Lee Smolin /
    ------

    There are really not much to worry. We do not understand physics. When I
    was kid in school then half of class had difficulty to understand most elementary physics; when my kids went to school the situation was same. We are slow, dim-witted, easily distracted and short-lived. It is normal
    that no one understands some higher part of physics. It is surprise that
    we have figured out so lot of it.

    The problem is that fundamental physics is failing, as a science.
    If Imre Lakatos were still around he would no doubt have said
    that string theory, and fundamental physics in general,
    has turned into a degenerating research program, (in his sense)

    Stagnation in science is a sign of deep trouble,
    You don't need Sabine to see that,

    Jan

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to erik simpson on Wed Feb 7 22:14:44 2024
    erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 2/7/24 5:12 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:45:26 -0800 (PST), israel sadovnik <israelsadovnik@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday 6 February 2024 at 17:03:02 UTC+2, jillery wrote:
    On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 22:05:57 -0800 (PST), israel sadovnik
    <israels...@gmail.com> wrote:
    What Physicists Have Been Missing >> An exciting new theory >>reconciles gravity and quantum physics. I think it's wrong. But I may be >>too. >> BY SABINE HOSSENFELDER February 2, 2024 >> ------- >> But today, >>the foundations of physics are a sleepy place. We're still chewing on
    the same problems that we had a century ago—and all that chewing hasn't >>made them any more digestible. What is dark matter? What does quantum >>mechanics really mean? And why does gravity refuse to cooperate with >>quantum physics? These are problems that, when I can't sleep, I like to >>think have already kept Einstein up at night. >> -------- >> >>https://nautil.us/what-physicists-have-been-missing-506607/ >> ------ >> >>Problems: >> 1- What is "quantum gravity"? >> /Gravity is an extremely >>weak force on small scales compared to the EM forces./ >> 2- What is an >>electron? >> To a request to explain what an electron really is supposed >>to be we can only answer, "It is part of the A B C of physics". /Sir >>Arthur Stanley Eddington/ >> 3- Is it possible to cure "incurable >>infinities"? >> '' So we really do not know exactly what it is that we >>are assuming that gives us the difficulty producing infinities. A nice >>problem ! However, it turns out that it is possible to sweep the >>infinities under the rug , by a certain crude skill , and temporarily we >>are able to keep on calculating. '' / Richard Feynman/ >> -------. > I >>like the questions she mentions, but I can think of three questions > >>recently raised that might also pique the interest of someone who is > >>tired of merely masticating: > > 1. Where did all the anti-matter go? >>------- The interaction of matter-antimatter was described by Dirac as >>E=±MC? (matter-antimatter - two sides of the same "coin"). --------


    My understanding is the creation of matter requires the creation of an equal amount of anti-matter. We see lots of matter all around, but
    almost no anti-matter. Your Dirac equation doesn't help.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    One coud imagine from some of the recent posts of put-downs of quantum mechanics, etc. thatour current physics theory is a shambles. This
    isn't the case.

    No, of course not. Our understanding is incredibly good and complete
    over an enormous range of phenomena and length/energy/time scales.

    The "Standard Model" (quantum chromodynamics) makes
    predictions of an accuracy exceeding that of celestial mechanics, which
    for a long time was the gold standard of accuracy.

    It would seem that you have not kept up with celestial mechanics.
    (or with the precision revolution in general)

    That there are unanswered problems (and always will be), doesn't mean that the theory is wrong, just incomplete.

    Right. The problem isn't incompleteness,
    it is stagnation of the advance, at the fundamental level.

    The next important advances may come from another Newton or Einstein, or perhaps just accumulated smaller steps by many, but important new theories must still retain the current level of accuracy.

    Yes, who knows.

    Jan

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