You might find this of mild interest. (If I'm not mistaken it's a review article without any novel perspectives.)

Joseph L. Graves, Favored Races in the Struggle for Life: Racism
and the Speciation Concept,Cold Spring Harb Perspect Biol 2023;15:a041454

https://cshperspectives.cshlp.org/content/15/8/a041454.full.pdf+html

--
alias Ernest Major

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On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:21:17 AM UTC+2, Ernest Major wrote:

You might find this of mild interest. (If I'm not mistaken it's a review article without any novel perspectives.)

Joseph L. Graves, Favored Races in the Struggle for Life: Racism
and the Speciation Concept,Cold Spring Harb Perspect Biol 2023;15:a041454

https://cshperspectives.cshlp.org/content/15/8/a041454.full.pdf+html

--
alias Ernest Major

Very nice, thanks! As you say, not that much novelty in the details, but a very good way to weave the different strands together and give the big picture

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On Tuesday, 24 October 2023 at 21:01:18 UTC+11, Burkhard wrote:

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:21:17 AM UTC+2, Ernest Major wrote:

You might find this of mild interest. (If I'm not mistaken it's a review article without any novel perspectives.)

Joseph L. Graves, Favored Races in the Struggle for Life: Racism
and the Speciation Concept,Cold Spring Harb Perspect Biol 2023;15:a041454

https://cshperspectives.cshlp.org/content/15/8/a041454.full.pdf+html

--
alias Ernest Major

Very nice, thanks! As you say, not that much novelty in the details, but a very
good way to weave the different strands together and give the big picture

Passing by...

I'm not sure that everything here is correct. Race precedes the fourteenth century by a long time. I'm fairly sure that "races" in natural history did not mean what "race" did post-Blumenbach. This is science history by scientists, and not always to be
trusted.

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On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 03:02:37 -0700 (PDT), John Wilkins <john.s.wilkins@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 24 October 2023 at 21:01:18 UTC+11, Burkhard wrote:

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:21:17?AM UTC+2, Ernest Major wrote:

You might find this of mild interest. (If I'm not mistaken it's a review >> > article without any novel perspectives.)

Joseph L. Graves, Favored Races in the Struggle for Life: Racism
and the Speciation Concept,Cold Spring Harb Perspect Biol 2023;15:a041454 >> >
https://cshperspectives.cshlp.org/content/15/8/a041454.full.pdf+html

--
alias Ernest Major

Very nice, thanks! As you say, not that much novelty in the details, but a very
good way to weave the different strands together and give the big picture

Passing by...

I'm not sure that everything here is correct. Race precedes the fourteenth century by a long time. I'm fairly sure that "races" in natural history did not mean what "race" did post-Blumenbach. This is science history by scientists, and not always to be

trusted.


A voice from the past? Proof of reincarnation? Either way, I hope
you stay for an extended visit. Friendly mediums are available.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 03:02:37 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by John Wilkins
<john.s.wilkins@gmail.com>:

On Tuesday, 24 October 2023 at 21:01:18 UTC+11, Burkhard wrote:

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:21:17?AM UTC+2, Ernest Major wrote:

You might find this of mild interest. (If I'm not mistaken it's a review >> > article without any novel perspectives.)

Joseph L. Graves, Favored Races in the Struggle for Life: Racism
and the Speciation Concept,Cold Spring Harb Perspect Biol 2023;15:a041454 >> >
https://cshperspectives.cshlp.org/content/15/8/a041454.full.pdf+html

--
alias Ernest Major

Very nice, thanks! As you say, not that much novelty in the details, but a very
good way to weave the different strands together and give the big picture

Passing by...

I'm not sure that everything here is correct. Race precedes the fourteenth century by a long time. I'm fairly sure that "races" in natural history did not mean what "race" did post-Blumenbach. This is science history by scientists, and not always to be

trusted.

Welcome back, even if only in passing! Voices of sanity are
thin on the ground. Or maybe it only seems so, given the
vocal nature of the others...

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:06:20 PM UTC+2, John Wilkins wrote:

On Tuesday, 24 October 2023 at 21:01:18 UTC+11, Burkhard wrote:

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:21:17 AM UTC+2, Ernest Major wrote:

You might find this of mild interest. (If I'm not mistaken it's a review article without any novel perspectives.)

Joseph L. Graves, Favored Races in the Struggle for Life: Racism
and the Speciation Concept,Cold Spring Harb Perspect Biol 2023;15:a041454

https://cshperspectives.cshlp.org/content/15/8/a041454.full.pdf+html

--
alias Ernest Major

Very nice, thanks! As you say, not that much novelty in the details, but a very
good way to weave the different strands together and give the big picture

Passing by...

I'm not sure that everything here is correct. Race precedes the fourteenth century by a long time. I'm fairly sure that "races" in natural history did not mean what "race" did post-Blumenbach. This is science history by scientists, and not always to be

trusted.

How on earth did I overlook this post? So good to hear from you - and thanks for the pointer.
As always with the big picture guys, they can become wig-ish, which may indeed have
happened here.

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John Wilkins <john.s.wilkins@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 24 October 2023 at 21:01:18 UTC+11, Burkhard wrote:

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:21:17 AM UTC+2, Ernest Major wrote:

You might find this of mild interest. (If I'm not mistaken it's a review >>> article without any novel perspectives.)

Joseph L. Graves, Favored Races in the Struggle for Life: Racism
and the Speciation Concept,Cold Spring Harb Perspect Biol 2023;15:a041454 >>>
https://cshperspectives.cshlp.org/content/15/8/a041454.full.pdf+html

--
alias Ernest Major

Very nice, thanks! As you say, not that much novelty in the details, but a very
good way to weave the different strands together and give the big picture

Passing by...

I'm not sure that everything here is correct. Race precedes the
fourteenth century by a long time. I'm fairly sure that "races" in
natural history did not mean what "race" did post-Blumenbach. This is
science history by scientists, and not always to be trusted.

While you’re here Larry Moran cites you a few times in his *What's in Your Genome?*

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On Thursday, 2 November 2023 at 01:41:26 UTC+11, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

John Wilkins <john.s....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 24 October 2023 at 21:01:18 UTC+11, Burkhard wrote:

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:21:17 AM UTC+2, Ernest Major wrote: >>> You might find this of mild interest. (If I'm not mistaken it's a review >>> article without any novel perspectives.)

Joseph L. Graves, Favored Races in the Struggle for Life: Racism
and the Speciation Concept,Cold Spring Harb Perspect Biol 2023;15:a041454

https://cshperspectives.cshlp.org/content/15/8/a041454.full.pdf+html

--
alias Ernest Major

Very nice, thanks! As you say, not that much novelty in the details, but a very
good way to weave the different strands together and give the big picture

Passing by...

I'm not sure that everything here is correct. Race precedes the
fourteenth century by a long time. I'm fairly sure that "races" in
natural history did not mean what "race" did post-Blumenbach. This is science history by scientists, and not always to be trusted.

While you’re here Larry Moran cites you a few times in his *What's in Your Genome?*

Larry sent me his mss for comment. I added nothing sensible. But he bought me beers when I was last in Toronto.

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On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 6:06:20 AM UTC-4, John Wilkins wrote:

On Tuesday, 24 October 2023 at 21:01:18 UTC+11, Burkhard wrote:

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:21:17 AM UTC+2, Ernest Major wrote:

You might find this of mild interest. (If I'm not mistaken it's a review article without any novel perspectives.)

Joseph L. Graves, Favored Races in the Struggle for Life: Racism
and the Speciation Concept,Cold Spring Harb Perspect Biol 2023;15:a041454

https://cshperspectives.cshlp.org/content/15/8/a041454.full.pdf+html

--
alias Ernest Major

Very nice, thanks! As you say, not that much novelty in the details, but a very
good way to weave the different strands together and give the big picture

Passing by...

I'm not sure that everything here is correct. Race precedes the fourteenth century by a long time. I'm fairly sure that "races" in natural history did not mean what "race" did post-Blumenbach.

Well, it's clear from the article that a lot of concepts of "race" have come and gone.

This is science history by scientists, and not always to be trusted.

I'm glad to see you posting here again, John! I hope your health allows you to stick
around for a while. Lately I've had some intense pains on the outside of my left leg
from lying in all but a very few positions in my bed.
Fortunately it still allows me to have my usual activities during the day.

I hope whatever has caused you pain still lets you do posting now and then.

Best wishes,

Peter Nyikos

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