• Neanderthal pain sensitivity

    From RonO@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 14 08:55:49 2023
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-023-05286-z

    This is an open access article. What they found was that some of the
    variation that we inherited from Neanderthals reduces sensitivity to
    pain. Anthropologists have noted the number of broken bones that have
    healed that are associated with Neanderthal fossils. It has been
    proposed that they were pretty much contact hunters. They may have used thrusting spears, and may have even wrestled with their intended meals.

    This seems to indicate that there may have been selection to reduce pain sensitivity.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 14 09:23:22 2023
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 08:55:49 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-023-05286-z

    This is an open access article. What they found was that some of the >variation that we inherited from Neanderthals reduces sensitivity to
    pain. Anthropologists have noted the number of broken bones that have
    healed that are associated with Neanderthal fossils. It has been
    proposed that they were pretty much contact hunters. They may have used >thrusting spears, and may have even wrestled with their intended meals.

    This seems to indicate that there may have been selection to reduce pain >sensitivity.

    I'd think that there would be a delicate balance between the
    ability to ignore pain because it improved the chance of
    successfully hunting large and/or dangerous game and the
    *in*ability to recognize when pain indicated a potentially
    life-threatening problem which needed immediate attention.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From RonO@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Sat Oct 14 14:37:43 2023
    On 10/14/2023 11:23 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 08:55:49 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-023-05286-z

    This is an open access article. What they found was that some of the
    variation that we inherited from Neanderthals reduces sensitivity to
    pain. Anthropologists have noted the number of broken bones that have
    healed that are associated with Neanderthal fossils. It has been
    proposed that they were pretty much contact hunters. They may have used
    thrusting spears, and may have even wrestled with their intended meals.

    This seems to indicate that there may have been selection to reduce pain
    sensitivity.

    I'd think that there would be a delicate balance between the
    ability to ignore pain because it improved the chance of
    successfully hunting large and/or dangerous game and the
    *in*ability to recognize when pain indicated a potentially
    life-threatening problem which needed immediate attention.


    The article indicates that the sensitivity that is reduced is for cases
    where the area was first prestimulated, and it was subsequent
    stimulation that was decreased. So it doesn't sound like the initial
    sensation was reduced, but later activation of the same sensors that was affected.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 14 17:02:38 2023
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 14:37:43 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:

    On 10/14/2023 11:23 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 08:55:49 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-023-05286-z

    This is an open access article. What they found was that some of the
    variation that we inherited from Neanderthals reduces sensitivity to
    pain. Anthropologists have noted the number of broken bones that have
    healed that are associated with Neanderthal fossils. It has been
    proposed that they were pretty much contact hunters. They may have used >>> thrusting spears, and may have even wrestled with their intended meals.

    This seems to indicate that there may have been selection to reduce pain >>> sensitivity.

    I'd think that there would be a delicate balance between the
    ability to ignore pain because it improved the chance of
    successfully hunting large and/or dangerous game and the
    *in*ability to recognize when pain indicated a potentially
    life-threatening problem which needed immediate attention.


    The article indicates that the sensitivity that is reduced is for cases
    where the area was first prestimulated, and it was subsequent
    stimulation that was decreased. So it doesn't sound like the initial >sensation was reduced, but later activation of the same sensors that was >affected.

    Aha! OK; thanks for the clarification.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to RonO on Mon Oct 16 13:15:39 2023
    RonO wrote:

    This is an open access article. What they found was that some of the variation that we inherited from Neanderthals reduces sensitivity to
    pain. Anthropologists have noted the number of broken bones that have
    healed that are associated with Neanderthal fossils. It has been
    proposed that they were pretty much contact hunters.

    They were built like Sherman tanks. The men even more powerful. They
    could have just beat the shit out of each other.

    Neanderthals were likely on a "Roid Rage."

    Testosterone. As far as I know, nobody knows what their testosterone
    levels were, but they were probably much higher than humans today.

    "Roid Rage."



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