• Hair in mammals

    From RonO@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 30 06:28:29 2023
    https://elifesciences.org/articles/76911

    An article from last year has come up in the Science news about hair in mammals. Reptiles have scutes and scales, birds have feathers and
    scutes, and mammals have hair. This paper looked at how hair has
    evolved among mammals. They looked at the conserved non-coding
    sequences (usually regulatory) and over 19,000 genes and analyzed them
    to identify the sequences that showed differential rates of evolution
    among the 62 taxa included in the study. They found that genes involved
    in the physical structure of the hair had more rapid evolution in the
    coding sequence of the genes that would affect the structure of the
    hair, but the rate of change for their regulation was the same as for
    most other genes. The genes involved in the regulation of making hair
    showed the opposite. The coding sequence of these regulatory genes
    evolved at the same rate as most of the other genes in the genome, but
    their regulatory sequences had an elevated rate of evolution. This
    makes sense because when you look at mammals there is mostly a shift in
    how the production of hair is regulated to make major changes between
    species. Humans have the same number of hair folicles as a chimp, but
    most of the hairs are too small to be noticeable.

    One conclusion from the research is that humans retain all the genes
    that our ancestors had for making hair, but how that hair production is regulated has changed in the human lineage to produce something that
    looks like a relatively hairless primate.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 30 08:55:02 2023
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 06:28:29 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:

    https://elifesciences.org/articles/76911

    An article from last year has come up in the Science news about hair in >mammals. Reptiles have scutes and scales, birds have feathers and
    scutes, and mammals have hair. This paper looked at how hair has
    evolved among mammals. They looked at the conserved non-coding
    sequences (usually regulatory) and over 19,000 genes and analyzed them
    to identify the sequences that showed differential rates of evolution
    among the 62 taxa included in the study. They found that genes involved
    in the physical structure of the hair had more rapid evolution in the
    coding sequence of the genes that would affect the structure of the
    hair, but the rate of change for their regulation was the same as for
    most other genes. The genes involved in the regulation of making hair
    showed the opposite. The coding sequence of these regulatory genes
    evolved at the same rate as most of the other genes in the genome, but
    their regulatory sequences had an elevated rate of evolution. This
    makes sense because when you look at mammals there is mostly a shift in
    how the production of hair is regulated to make major changes between >species. Humans have the same number of hair folicles as a chimp, but
    most of the hairs are too small to be noticeable.

    One conclusion from the research is that humans retain all the genes
    that our ancestors had for making hair, but how that hair production is >regulated has changed in the human lineage to produce something that
    looks like a relatively hairless primate.

    Interesting; thanks. It sounds to me like "hair is basically
    hair, but how that hair grows varies significantly between
    species". That about right?

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 30 10:33:03 2023
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 12:22:27 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:

    On 9/30/2023 10:55 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 06:28:29 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:

    https://elifesciences.org/articles/76911

    An article from last year has come up in the Science news about hair in
    mammals. Reptiles have scutes and scales, birds have feathers and
    scutes, and mammals have hair. This paper looked at how hair has
    evolved among mammals. They looked at the conserved non-coding
    sequences (usually regulatory) and over 19,000 genes and analyzed them
    to identify the sequences that showed differential rates of evolution
    among the 62 taxa included in the study. They found that genes involved >>> in the physical structure of the hair had more rapid evolution in the
    coding sequence of the genes that would affect the structure of the
    hair, but the rate of change for their regulation was the same as for
    most other genes. The genes involved in the regulation of making hair
    showed the opposite. The coding sequence of these regulatory genes
    evolved at the same rate as most of the other genes in the genome, but
    their regulatory sequences had an elevated rate of evolution. This
    makes sense because when you look at mammals there is mostly a shift in
    how the production of hair is regulated to make major changes between
    species. Humans have the same number of hair folicles as a chimp, but
    most of the hairs are too small to be noticeable.

    One conclusion from the research is that humans retain all the genes
    that our ancestors had for making hair, but how that hair production is
    regulated has changed in the human lineage to produce something that
    looks like a relatively hairless primate.

    Interesting; thanks. It sounds to me like "hair is basically
    hair, but how that hair grows varies significantly between
    species". That about right?


    Hair can change structurally like curly hair or straight are changes in
    the structural properties, but how thin or thick, how long it grows and
    how much grows seems to be regulatory. We obviously retain the
    structural genes to grow hair, but those genes are regulated differently
    to produce what we are.

    OK; thanks. That's pretty much what I thought.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From RonO@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Sat Sep 30 12:22:27 2023
    On 9/30/2023 10:55 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 06:28:29 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:

    https://elifesciences.org/articles/76911

    An article from last year has come up in the Science news about hair in
    mammals. Reptiles have scutes and scales, birds have feathers and
    scutes, and mammals have hair. This paper looked at how hair has
    evolved among mammals. They looked at the conserved non-coding
    sequences (usually regulatory) and over 19,000 genes and analyzed them
    to identify the sequences that showed differential rates of evolution
    among the 62 taxa included in the study. They found that genes involved
    in the physical structure of the hair had more rapid evolution in the
    coding sequence of the genes that would affect the structure of the
    hair, but the rate of change for their regulation was the same as for
    most other genes. The genes involved in the regulation of making hair
    showed the opposite. The coding sequence of these regulatory genes
    evolved at the same rate as most of the other genes in the genome, but
    their regulatory sequences had an elevated rate of evolution. This
    makes sense because when you look at mammals there is mostly a shift in
    how the production of hair is regulated to make major changes between
    species. Humans have the same number of hair folicles as a chimp, but
    most of the hairs are too small to be noticeable.

    One conclusion from the research is that humans retain all the genes
    that our ancestors had for making hair, but how that hair production is
    regulated has changed in the human lineage to produce something that
    looks like a relatively hairless primate.

    Interesting; thanks. It sounds to me like "hair is basically
    hair, but how that hair grows varies significantly between
    species". That about right?


    Hair can change structurally like curly hair or straight are changes in
    the structural properties, but how thin or thick, how long it grows and
    how much grows seems to be regulatory. We obviously retain the
    structural genes to grow hair, but those genes are regulated differently
    to produce what we are.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 1 01:08:41 2023
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:55:02 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 06:28:29 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:

    https://elifesciences.org/articles/76911

    An article from last year has come up in the Science news about hair in >>mammals. Reptiles have scutes and scales, birds have feathers and
    scutes, and mammals have hair. This paper looked at how hair has
    evolved among mammals. They looked at the conserved non-coding
    sequences (usually regulatory) and over 19,000 genes and analyzed them
    to identify the sequences that showed differential rates of evolution >>among the 62 taxa included in the study. They found that genes involved >>in the physical structure of the hair had more rapid evolution in the >>coding sequence of the genes that would affect the structure of the
    hair, but the rate of change for their regulation was the same as for
    most other genes. The genes involved in the regulation of making hair >>showed the opposite. The coding sequence of these regulatory genes >>evolved at the same rate as most of the other genes in the genome, but >>their regulatory sequences had an elevated rate of evolution. This
    makes sense because when you look at mammals there is mostly a shift in >>how the production of hair is regulated to make major changes between >>species. Humans have the same number of hair folicles as a chimp, but >>most of the hairs are too small to be noticeable.

    One conclusion from the research is that humans retain all the genes
    that our ancestors had for making hair, but how that hair production is >>regulated has changed in the human lineage to produce something that
    looks like a relatively hairless primate.

    Interesting; thanks. It sounds to me like "hair is basically
    hair, but how that hair grows varies significantly between
    species". That about right?


    Not just between species, but also within species, as even a cursory examination of human pates would show.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 30 22:31:40 2023
    On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 01:08:41 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:55:02 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 06:28:29 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:

    https://elifesciences.org/articles/76911

    An article from last year has come up in the Science news about hair in >>>mammals. Reptiles have scutes and scales, birds have feathers and >>>scutes, and mammals have hair. This paper looked at how hair has
    evolved among mammals. They looked at the conserved non-coding
    sequences (usually regulatory) and over 19,000 genes and analyzed them
    to identify the sequences that showed differential rates of evolution >>>among the 62 taxa included in the study. They found that genes involved >>>in the physical structure of the hair had more rapid evolution in the >>>coding sequence of the genes that would affect the structure of the
    hair, but the rate of change for their regulation was the same as for >>>most other genes. The genes involved in the regulation of making hair >>>showed the opposite. The coding sequence of these regulatory genes >>>evolved at the same rate as most of the other genes in the genome, but >>>their regulatory sequences had an elevated rate of evolution. This
    makes sense because when you look at mammals there is mostly a shift in >>>how the production of hair is regulated to make major changes between >>>species. Humans have the same number of hair folicles as a chimp, but >>>most of the hairs are too small to be noticeable.

    One conclusion from the research is that humans retain all the genes
    that our ancestors had for making hair, but how that hair production is >>>regulated has changed in the human lineage to produce something that >>>looks like a relatively hairless primate.

    Interesting; thanks. It sounds to me like "hair is basically
    hair, but how that hair grows varies significantly between
    species". That about right?


    Not just between species, but also within species, as even a cursory >examination of human pates would show.

    Correct.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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