• OT: Yet another problem from GG

    From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 19 12:32:37 2023
    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their
    user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as identified by their email addresses and other identifying information.
    The posts so far are:

    From: "talk.origins" <brogers31751@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: David Deamer’s book “Assembling Life”
    Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <f2d22738-ea9b-456e-ad42-c306699065c7n@googlegroups.com>

    From: "talk.origins" <ootiib@hot.ee>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: David Deamer’s book “Assembling Life”
    Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 01:02:21 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <ecba3675-20c2-47d9-8e9e-56ed74d078b0n@googlegroups.com>

    From: "talk.origins" <brogers31751@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: David Deamer’s book “Assembling Life”
    Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <c5b3f618-4f9b-46ab-a5e2-a3509dee54ecn@googlegroups.com>

    From: "talk.origins" <mohammadnursyamsu@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: Evolutionists caused the holocaust
    Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 07:06:23 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <38eae301-b625-4f27-b386-6c04705876b3n@googlegroups.com>

    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted
    to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    --
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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Tue Sep 19 18:13:00 2023
    jillery wrote:

    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted
    to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    It started with me quite a while after I saw it with someone
    else, and ended with me some hours after it ended for
    them.




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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 19 18:46:17 2023
    On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 12:32:37 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their
    user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as >identified by their email addresses and other identifying information.
    The posts so far are:

    From: "talk.origins" <brogers31751@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: David Deamers book Assembling Life
    Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <f2d22738-ea9b-456e-ad42-c306699065c7n@googlegroups.com>

    From: "talk.origins" <ootiib@hot.ee>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: David Deamers book Assembling Life
    Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 01:02:21 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <ecba3675-20c2-47d9-8e9e-56ed74d078b0n@googlegroups.com>

    From: "talk.origins" <brogers31751@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: David Deamers book Assembling Life
    Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <c5b3f618-4f9b-46ab-a5e2-a3509dee54ecn@googlegroups.com>

    From: "talk.origins" <mohammadnursyamsu@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: Evolutionists caused the holocaust
    Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 07:06:23 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <38eae301-b625-4f27-b386-6c04705876b3n@googlegroups.com>

    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted
    to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    They forgot to sacrifice a goat this week?

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 20 07:53:16 2023
    On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 12:32:37 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their
    user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as >identified by their email addresses and other identifying information.
    The posts so far are:

    From: "talk.origins" <brogers31751@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: David Deamer’s book “Assembling Life”
    Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <f2d22738-ea9b-456e-ad42-c306699065c7n@googlegroups.com>

    From: "talk.origins" <ootiib@hot.ee>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: David Deamer’s book “Assembling Life”
    Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 01:02:21 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <ecba3675-20c2-47d9-8e9e-56ed74d078b0n@googlegroups.com>

    From: "talk.origins" <brogers31751@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: David Deamer’s book “Assembling Life”
    Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <c5b3f618-4f9b-46ab-a5e2-a3509dee54ecn@googlegroups.com>

    From: "talk.origins" <mohammadnursyamsu@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: Evolutionists caused the holocaust
    Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 07:06:23 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <38eae301-b625-4f27-b386-6c04705876b3n@googlegroups.com>


    Two more have appeared, which suggests a continuing and chronic
    problem. It would be interesting to compare headers from GG posts to
    other froups.

    From: "talk.origins" <b.schafer@ed.ac.uk>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: David Deamer’s book “Assembling Life”
    Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 09:19:24 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <b65a9128-2f5b-47af-a1ba-423d070df02bn@googlegroups.com>

    From: "talk.origins" <brogers31751@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: David Deamer's book "Assembling Life"
    Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 09:27:58 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <85840a1e-0cc8-4ea7-af44-b3d9de4c86a3n@googlegroups.com>


    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted
    to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.



    --
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  • From Robert Carnegie@21:1/5 to jillery on Thu Oct 12 14:55:40 2023
    On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:35:41 UTC+1, jillery wrote:
    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their
    user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as identified by their email addresses and other identifying information.

    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted
    to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    How is mine?

    In t.o, possibly it isn't GG to blame. This is a
    moderated newsgroup, which means that posts
    in the group are e-mailed, I think literally, to DIG
    for approval. And that consists of an automatic
    program, a "script", reading and interpreting each
    message to decide if it deserves to be here:
    mostly or entirely by which multiple groups it
    may have been sent to in one stroke.

    We can guess, however, that GG now transmits a
    field in metadata which contains "talk.origins" and
    which is being interpreted as "user e-mail address
    and name".

    Or maybe UTF-8 is involved.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Thu Oct 12 16:33:16 2023
    On 2023-10-12 15:55, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:35:41 UTC+1, jillery wrote:
    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their
    user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as
    identified by their email addresses and other identifying information.

    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted
    to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    How is mine?

    In t.o, possibly it isn't GG to blame. This is a
    moderated newsgroup, which means that posts
    in the group are e-mailed, I think literally, to DIG
    for approval. And that consists of an automatic
    program, a "script", reading and interpreting each
    message to decide if it deserves to be here:
    mostly or entirely by which multiple groups it
    may have been sent to in one stroke.

    We can guess, however, that GG now transmits a
    field in metadata which contains "talk.origins" and
    which is being interpreted as "user e-mail address
    and name".


    I've noticed the same thing happening in a variety of non-moderated
    newsgroups, so I doubt this is the explanation.

    André

    --
    To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail
    service.

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 12 17:19:03 2023
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:55:40 -0700 (PDT), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by Robert Carnegie
    <rja.carnegie@excite.com>:

    On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:35:41 UTC+1, jillery wrote:
    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their
    user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as
    identified by their email addresses and other identifying information.

    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted
    to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    How is mine?

    In t.o, possibly it isn't GG to blame. This is a
    moderated newsgroup, which means that posts
    in the group are e-mailed, I think literally, to DIG
    for approval. And that consists of an automatic
    program, a "script", reading and interpreting each
    message to decide if it deserves to be here:
    mostly or entirely by which multiple groups it
    may have been sent to in one stroke.

    Ummm, not quite. The rule is "No crossposts to more than 4
    groups. *Any* groups beyond 4". Beyond that there are
    specific posters who have been banned for cause; Jabriol is
    the most egregious example. There *may* be some specific
    groups restricted *at their request*; IIRC there was a
    rape-support group which Jabriol infested with crossposts
    from t.o which requested to be removed from crossposts
    involving t.o due to the aforementioned Jabriol; DIG solved
    the issue by doing both, blacklisting Jabriol and banning
    crossposts to the group making the request.

    AFAIK the robomoderator doesn't interpret posts, only
    headers.

    We can guess, however, that GG now transmits a
    field in metadata which contains "talk.origins" and
    which is being interpreted as "user e-mail address
    and name".

    Or maybe UTF-8 is involved.

    Or maybe Gurgle Gropes is garbage.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to agisaak@gm.invalid on Thu Oct 12 20:20:28 2023
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:33:16 -0600, André G. Isaak
    <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-10-12 15:55, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:35:41 UTC+1, jillery wrote:
    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their
    user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as
    identified by their email addresses and other identifying information.

    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted
    to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    How is mine?


    No problemo on that point.


    In t.o, possibly it isn't GG to blame. This is a
    moderated newsgroup, which means that posts
    in the group are e-mailed, I think literally, to DIG
    for approval. And that consists of an automatic
    program, a "script", reading and interpreting each
    message to decide if it deserves to be here:
    mostly or entirely by which multiple groups it
    may have been sent to in one stroke.

    We can guess, however, that GG now transmits a
    field in metadata which contains "talk.origins" and
    which is being interpreted as "user e-mail address
    and name".


    I've noticed the same thing happening in a variety of non-moderated >newsgroups, so I doubt this is the explanation.

    André


    Robert is correct that servers email posts to Darwin, which
    then filters those posts according to its whims, and returns passed
    posts to the servers for them to propagate through standard Usenet
    routing. However, my understanding is nowhere in the chain is body
    text examined or altered.

    However, I haven't seen any new examples, so perhaps someone at GG
    finally woke up.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to jillery on Thu Oct 12 18:38:21 2023
    On 2023-10-12 18:20, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:33:16 -0600, André G. Isaak
    <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-10-12 15:55, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:35:41 UTC+1, jillery wrote:
    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their
    user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as
    identified by their email addresses and other identifying information. >>>>
    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted
    to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    How is mine?


    No problemo on that point.


    In t.o, possibly it isn't GG to blame. This is a
    moderated newsgroup, which means that posts
    in the group are e-mailed, I think literally, to DIG
    for approval. And that consists of an automatic
    program, a "script", reading and interpreting each
    message to decide if it deserves to be here:
    mostly or entirely by which multiple groups it
    may have been sent to in one stroke.

    We can guess, however, that GG now transmits a
    field in metadata which contains "talk.origins" and
    which is being interpreted as "user e-mail address
    and name".


    I've noticed the same thing happening in a variety of non-moderated
    newsgroups, so I doubt this is the explanation.

    André


    Robert is correct that servers email posts to Darwin, which
    then filters those posts according to its whims, and returns passed
    posts to the servers for them to propagate through standard Usenet
    routing. However, my understanding is nowhere in the chain is body
    text examined or altered.

    Yes, that part I get. However the fact that nonmoderated groups are
    subject to similar behaviour suggests that this isn't the root of the
    problem. I suspect it's just random Google-Groups-is-Broken stuff.

    André

    --
    To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail
    service.

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to agisaak@gm.invalid on Thu Oct 12 21:58:25 2023
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 18:38:21 -0600, André G. Isaak
    <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-10-12 18:20, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:33:16 -0600, André G. Isaak
    <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-10-12 15:55, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:35:41 UTC+1, jillery wrote:
    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their >>>>> user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as >>>>> identified by their email addresses and other identifying information. >>>>>
    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted >>>>> to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    How is mine?


    No problemo on that point.


    In t.o, possibly it isn't GG to blame. This is a
    moderated newsgroup, which means that posts
    in the group are e-mailed, I think literally, to DIG
    for approval. And that consists of an automatic
    program, a "script", reading and interpreting each
    message to decide if it deserves to be here:
    mostly or entirely by which multiple groups it
    may have been sent to in one stroke.

    We can guess, however, that GG now transmits a
    field in metadata which contains "talk.origins" and
    which is being interpreted as "user e-mail address
    and name".


    I've noticed the same thing happening in a variety of non-moderated
    newsgroups, so I doubt this is the explanation.

    André


    Robert is correct that servers email posts to Darwin, which
    then filters those posts according to its whims, and returns passed
    posts to the servers for them to propagate through standard Usenet
    routing. However, my understanding is nowhere in the chain is body
    text examined or altered.

    Yes, that part I get. However the fact that nonmoderated groups are
    subject to similar behaviour suggests that this isn't the root of the >problem. I suspect it's just random Google-Groups-is-Broken stuff.

    However, I haven't seen any new examples, so perhaps someone at GG
    finally woke up.


    You and I suspect the same thing.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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  • From Robert Carnegie@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 13 01:41:21 2023
    On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 01:41:06 UTC+1, André G. Isaak wrote:
    On 2023-10-12 18:20, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:33:16 -0600, André G. Isaak
    <agi...@gm.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-10-12 15:55, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:35:41 UTC+1, jillery wrote:
    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their >>>> user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as >>>> identified by their email addresses and other identifying information. >>>>
    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted >>>> to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    How is mine?


    No problemo on that point.


    In t.o, possibly it isn't GG to blame. This is a
    moderated newsgroup, which means that posts
    in the group are e-mailed, I think literally, to DIG
    for approval. And that consists of an automatic
    program, a "script", reading and interpreting each
    message to decide if it deserves to be here:
    mostly or entirely by which multiple groups it
    may have been sent to in one stroke.

    We can guess, however, that GG now transmits a
    field in metadata which contains "talk.origins" and
    which is being interpreted as "user e-mail address
    and name".


    I've noticed the same thing happening in a variety of non-moderated
    newsgroups, so I doubt this is the explanation.

    André


    Robert is correct that servers email posts to Darwin, which
    then filters those posts according to its whims, and returns passed
    posts to the servers for them to propagate through standard Usenet routing. However, my understanding is nowhere in the chain is body
    text examined or altered.

    Yes, that part I get. However the fact that nonmoderated groups are
    subject to similar behaviour suggests that this isn't the root of the problem. I suspect it's just random Google-Groups-is-Broken stuff.
    André

    I'm not sure but I think that a crosspost in a
    moderated group and a regular group may be
    under control of the moderator.

    Censoring the message is possible. I think
    I remember someone who was copy-pasting
    random creationist web pages into the group
    in volume and eventually got all that substituted
    with some kind of gibberish by DIG. And I think
    I remember objecting.

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  • From Lawyer Daggett@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Fri Oct 13 02:14:29 2023
    On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:46:07 AM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 01:41:06 UTC+1, André G. Isaak wrote:
    On 2023-10-12 18:20, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:33:16 -0600, André G. Isaak
    <agi...@gm.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-10-12 15:55, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:35:41 UTC+1, jillery wrote:
    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their >>>> user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as >>>> identified by their email addresses and other identifying information.

    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted >>>> to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    How is mine?


    No problemo on that point.


    In t.o, possibly it isn't GG to blame. This is a
    moderated newsgroup, which means that posts
    in the group are e-mailed, I think literally, to DIG
    for approval. And that consists of an automatic
    program, a "script", reading and interpreting each
    message to decide if it deserves to be here:
    mostly or entirely by which multiple groups it
    may have been sent to in one stroke.

    We can guess, however, that GG now transmits a
    field in metadata which contains "talk.origins" and
    which is being interpreted as "user e-mail address
    and name".


    I've noticed the same thing happening in a variety of non-moderated
    newsgroups, so I doubt this is the explanation.

    André


    Robert is correct that servers email posts to Darwin, which
    then filters those posts according to its whims, and returns passed posts to the servers for them to propagate through standard Usenet routing. However, my understanding is nowhere in the chain is body
    text examined or altered.

    Yes, that part I get. However the fact that nonmoderated groups are subject to similar behaviour suggests that this isn't the root of the problem. I suspect it's just random Google-Groups-is-Broken stuff.
    André
    I'm not sure but I think that a crosspost in a
    moderated group and a regular group may be
    under control of the moderator.

    Censoring the message is possible. I think
    I remember someone who was copy-pasting
    random creationist web pages into the group
    in volume and eventually got all that substituted
    with some kind of gibberish by DIG. And I think
    I remember objecting.

    Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod
    tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat
    non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com on Fri Oct 13 07:50:31 2023
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Lawyer Daggett <j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod >tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, >quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo >consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse >cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat >non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.


    Romani ite domum

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  • From DB Cates@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Fri Oct 13 09:55:00 2023
    On 2023-10-13 3:41 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 01:41:06 UTC+1, André G. Isaak wrote:
    On 2023-10-12 18:20, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:33:16 -0600, André G. Isaak
    <agi...@gm.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-10-12 15:55, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:35:41 UTC+1, jillery wrote:
    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their >>>>>> user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as >>>>>> identified by their email addresses and other identifying information. >>>>>>
    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted >>>>>> to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    How is mine?


    No problemo on that point.


    In t.o, possibly it isn't GG to blame. This is a
    moderated newsgroup, which means that posts
    in the group are e-mailed, I think literally, to DIG
    for approval. And that consists of an automatic
    program, a "script", reading and interpreting each
    message to decide if it deserves to be here:
    mostly or entirely by which multiple groups it
    may have been sent to in one stroke.

    We can guess, however, that GG now transmits a
    field in metadata which contains "talk.origins" and
    which is being interpreted as "user e-mail address
    and name".


    I've noticed the same thing happening in a variety of non-moderated
    newsgroups, so I doubt this is the explanation.

    André


    Robert is correct that servers email posts to Darwin, which
    then filters those posts according to its whims, and returns passed
    posts to the servers for them to propagate through standard Usenet
    routing. However, my understanding is nowhere in the chain is body
    text examined or altered.

    Yes, that part I get. However the fact that nonmoderated groups are
    subject to similar behaviour suggests that this isn't the root of the
    problem. I suspect it's just random Google-Groups-is-Broken stuff.
    André

    I'm not sure but I think that a crosspost in a
    moderated group and a regular group may be
    under control of the moderator.

    Censoring the message is possible. I think
    I remember someone who was copy-pasting
    random creationist web pages into the group
    in volume and eventually got all that substituted
    with some kind of gibberish by DIG. And I think
    I remember objecting.

    [reneck]
    ah's not sho'nuff but ah reckon thet a crostpost in a
    moderated group an' a regular group may be
    unner corntrol of th' moderato'.

    Censo'in' th' message is postible. ah reckon
    ah remember someone who was copy-pastin'
    ran'om creashunist web pages into th' group
    in voloom an' eventually got all thet substeetooted
    wif some kind of gibberish by DIG. An' ah reckon
    ah remember objeckin'.

    [Swedich chef]
    I'm nut soore-a boot I theenk thet a crusspust in a
    mudereted gruoop und a regooler gruoop mey be-a
    under cuntrul ooff zee muderetur. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!

    Censureeng zee messege-a is pusseeble-a. I theenk
    I remember sumeune-a vhu ves cupy-pesteeng
    rundum creeshuneest veb peges intu zee gruoop
    in fuloome-a und ifentooelly gut ell thet soobsteetooted
    veet sume-a keend ooff geebberish by DIG. Und I theenk
    I remember oobjecteeng. Bork. Bork. Bork.

    There are several 'Dialectizers' available.
    --
    --
    Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 13 16:45:06 2023
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 09:55:00 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>:

    On 2023-10-13 3:41 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 01:41:06 UTC+1, Andr G. Isaak wrote:
    On 2023-10-12 18:20, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:33:16 -0600, Andr G. Isaak
    <agi...@gm.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-10-12 15:55, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:35:41 UTC+1, jillery wrote:
    Several people who use Google Groups recently made posts where their >>>>>>> user name appears as "talk.origins". These are different posters, as >>>>>>> identified by their email addresses and other identifying information. >>>>>>>
    Only some posts from GG show this effect, but they aren't restricted >>>>>>> to any particular user or thread.

    One can only wonder what GG did to make this happen.

    How is mine?


    No problemo on that point.


    In t.o, possibly it isn't GG to blame. This is a
    moderated newsgroup, which means that posts
    in the group are e-mailed, I think literally, to DIG
    for approval. And that consists of an automatic
    program, a "script", reading and interpreting each
    message to decide if it deserves to be here:
    mostly or entirely by which multiple groups it
    may have been sent to in one stroke.

    We can guess, however, that GG now transmits a
    field in metadata which contains "talk.origins" and
    which is being interpreted as "user e-mail address
    and name".


    I've noticed the same thing happening in a variety of non-moderated
    newsgroups, so I doubt this is the explanation.

    Andr


    Robert is correct that servers email posts to Darwin, which
    then filters those posts according to its whims, and returns passed
    posts to the servers for them to propagate through standard Usenet
    routing. However, my understanding is nowhere in the chain is body
    text examined or altered.

    Yes, that part I get. However the fact that nonmoderated groups are
    subject to similar behaviour suggests that this isn't the root of the
    problem. I suspect it's just random Google-Groups-is-Broken stuff.
    Andr

    I'm not sure but I think that a crosspost in a
    moderated group and a regular group may be
    under control of the moderator.

    Censoring the message is possible. I think
    I remember someone who was copy-pasting
    random creationist web pages into the group
    in volume and eventually got all that substituted
    with some kind of gibberish by DIG. And I think
    I remember objecting.

    [reneck]
    ah's not sho'nuff but ah reckon thet a crostpost in a
    moderated group an' a regular group may be
    unner corntrol of th' moderato'.

    Censo'in' th' message is postible. ah reckon
    ah remember someone who was copy-pastin'
    ran'om creashunist web pages into th' group
    in voloom an' eventually got all thet substeetooted
    wif some kind of gibberish by DIG. An' ah reckon
    ah remember objeckin'.

    [Swedich chef]
    I'm nut soore-a boot I theenk thet a crusspust in a
    mudereted gruoop und a regooler gruoop mey be-a
    under cuntrul ooff zee muderetur. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!

    Censureeng zee messege-a is pusseeble-a. I theenk
    I remember sumeune-a vhu ves cupy-pesteeng
    rundum creeshuneest veb peges intu zee gruoop
    in fuloome-a und ifentooelly gut ell thet soobsteetooted
    veet sume-a keend ooff geebberish by DIG. Und I theenk
    I remember oobjecteeng. Bork. Bork. Bork.

    There are several 'Dialectizers' available.

    Plus, the actual rules and the process by which they're
    implemented, and a description of them, have been posted
    multiple times, the most recent a couple of days ago, with
    no acknowledgement.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 23 23:44:58 2023
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 07:50:31 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Lawyer Daggett ><j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod >>tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, >>quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo >>consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse >>cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat >>non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.


    Romani ite domum


    Here's a take on the above that is both amusing and informative:

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfH6gjxTTgE>

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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