I hope and pray that Ron, his family and his friends are all safe and
well and not affected by the dreadful fires in Hawaii

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On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 10:06:35 +0100, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com>:

I hope and pray that Ron, his family and his friends are all safe and
well and not affected by the dreadful fires in Hawaii

I was unaware that he lives there. (Maui, or one of the
others? Not in Lahaina, I hope.) I'll add my wishes for his
safety.

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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On 8/12/2023 4:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:

I hope and pray that Ron, his family and his friends are all safe and
well and not affected by the dreadful fires in Hawaii

Thanks for thinking of me, but I do not live in Hawaii. I get emails
directed at someone with the same name as me in Hawaii, but as far as I
know we are not even related. My Great, great, grandparent in Japan
made up his own surname. It was common at that time. Unfortunately my relatives that stayed in Japan lived in Hiroshima. Some survived and my brother visited them, but I've never been to Japan.

Ron Okimoto

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On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 12:19:37 -0500, RonO <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2023 4:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:

I hope and pray that Ron, his family and his friends are all safe and
well and not affected by the dreadful fires in Hawaii

Thanks for thinking of me, but I do not live in Hawaii. I get emails >directed at someone with the same name as me in Hawaii, but as far as I
know we are not even related. My Great, great, grandparent in Japan
made up his own surname. It was common at that time. Unfortunately my >relatives that stayed in Japan lived in Hiroshima. Some survived and my >brother visited them, but I've never been to Japan.

Ron Okimoto

There are lots of Okimotos in Hawaii. I graduated with one of them.
However, most of them live on Oahu, as do most people who live in
Hawaii, and are about as far away from Maui fires as someone in Dublin
is from Galway.

--
You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

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On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 12:19:37 -0500, RonO <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2023 4:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:

I hope and pray that Ron, his family and his friends are all safe and
well and not affected by the dreadful fires in Hawaii

Thanks for thinking of me, but I do not live in Hawaii.

Sorry, I thought I had picked that up somewhere but I have obviously misremembered.

I get emails
directed at someone with the same name as me in Hawaii, but as far as I
know we are not even related. My Great, great, grandparent in Japan
made up his own surname. It was common at that time. Unfortunately my >relatives that stayed in Japan lived in Hiroshima. Some survived and my >brother visited them, but I've never been to Japan.

Ron Okimoto

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On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 12:19:37 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:

On 8/12/2023 4:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:

I hope and pray that Ron, his family and his friends are all safe and
well and not affected by the dreadful fires in Hawaii

Thanks for thinking of me, but I do not live in Hawaii. I get emails >directed at someone with the same name as me in Hawaii, but as far as I
know we are not even related. My Great, great, grandparent in Japan
made up his own surname. It was common at that time. Unfortunately my >relatives that stayed in Japan lived in Hiroshima. Some survived and my >brother visited them, but I've never been to Japan.

Good to hear that you're not in danger from the fires.

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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On 2023-08-12 17:19:37 +0000, RonO said:

On 8/12/2023 4:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:

I hope and pray that Ron, his family and his friends are all safe and
well and not affected by the dreadful fires in Hawaii

Thanks for thinking of me, but I do not live in Hawaii. I get emails directed at someone with the same name as me in Hawaii, but as far as I
know we are not even related. My Great, great, grandparent in Japan
made up his own surname. It was common at that time. Unfortunately my relatives that stayed in Japan lived in Hiroshima. Some survived and
my brother visited them, but I've never been to Japan.

No doubt you know what Okazaki fragments are (though I wouldn't be
confident that everyone here knows), and you probably know that Reiji
Okazaki died from radiation sickness acquired at Hiroshima. His wife
Tsuneko Okazaki is still alive, and apparently in good health at the
age of 90. However, I haven't been able to discover if she was in
Hiroshima in 1945 -- probably not.


--
athel cb : Biochemical Evolution, Garland Science, 2016

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On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 3:16:13 AM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

On 2023-08-12 17:19:37 +0000, RonO said:

On 8/12/2023 4:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:

I hope and pray that Ron, his family and his friends are all safe and
well and not affected by the dreadful fires in Hawaii

Thanks for thinking of me, but I do not live in Hawaii. I get emails directed at someone with the same name as me in Hawaii, but as far as I know we are not even related. My Great, great, grandparent in Japan
made up his own surname. It was common at that time. Unfortunately my relatives that stayed in Japan lived in Hiroshima. Some survived and
my brother visited them, but I've never been to Japan.

No doubt you know what Okazaki fragments are (though I wouldn't be
confident that everyone here knows), and you probably know that Reiji Okazaki died from radiation sickness acquired at Hiroshima. His wife
Tsuneko Okazaki is still alive, and apparently in good health at the
age of 90. However, I haven't been able to discover if she was in
Hiroshima in 1945 -- probably not.

My brain is getting stuck on all of those pulse labeling studies being carried out by someone who had radiation exposure at Hiroshima. That and a few instances where multiple hallways at some rather prestigious universities
were quickly covered in plywood before the floor tiles could all be removed and replaced overnight. It would be grossly wrong to insinuate anything
but the mind does wander where it will. Tsuneko remaining in good health
should make me shut up. That and the fact that I only ever hear good things about people who have come through Arthur Kornberg's lab.

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On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 8:46:12 AM UTC+1, Lawyer Daggett wrote:

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 3:16:13 AM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

On 2023-08-12 17:19:37 +0000, RonO said:

On 8/12/2023 4:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:

I hope and pray that Ron, his family and his friends are all safe and >> well and not affected by the dreadful fires in Hawaii

Thanks for thinking of me, but I do not live in Hawaii. I get emails directed at someone with the same name as me in Hawaii, but as far as I know we are not even related. My Great, great, grandparent in Japan
made up his own surname. It was common at that time. Unfortunately my relatives that stayed in Japan lived in Hiroshima. Some survived and
my brother visited them, but I've never been to Japan.

No doubt you know what Okazaki fragments are (though I wouldn't be confident that everyone here knows), and you probably know that Reiji Okazaki died from radiation sickness acquired at Hiroshima. His wife Tsuneko Okazaki is still alive, and apparently in good health at the
age of 90. However, I haven't been able to discover if she was in Hiroshima in 1945 -- probably not.

My brain is getting stuck on all of those pulse labeling studies being carried
out by someone who had radiation exposure at Hiroshima. That and a few instances where multiple hallways at some rather prestigious universities were quickly covered in plywood before the floor tiles could all be removed and replaced overnight.

We do this sometimes after Senate meetings. Forensically much safer to
get rid of all trace evidence than just scrubbing them with bleach


It would be grossly wrong to insinuate anything

but the mind does wander where it will. Tsuneko remaining in good health should make me shut up. That and the fact that I only ever hear good things about people who have come through Arthur Kornberg's lab.

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On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 10:26:13 AM UTC+1, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

On 2023-08-13 08:14:30 +0000, Burkhard said:

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 8:46:12 AM UTC+1, Lawyer Daggett wrote:

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 3:16:13 AM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden
wrote:> > On 2023-08-12 17:19:37 +0000, RonO said:> >> > > On 8/12/2023 >> 4:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:> > >> I hope and pray that Ron, his
family and his friends are all safe and> > >> well and not affected by
the dreadful fires in Hawaii> > >>> > >> > > Thanks for thinking of me, >> but I do not live in Hawaii. I get emails> > > directed at someone with >> the same name as me in Hawaii, but as far as I> > > know we are not
even related. My Great, great, grandparent in Japan> > > made up his
own surname. It was common at that time. Unfortunately my> > >
relatives that stayed in Japan lived in Hiroshima. Some survived and> > >> > my brother visited them, but I've never been to Japan.> > No doubt
you know what Okazaki fragments are (though I wouldn't be> > confident
that everyone here knows), and you probably know that Reiji> > Okazaki
died from radiation sickness acquired at Hiroshima. His wife> > Tsuneko >> Okazaki is still alive, and apparently in good health at the> > age of
90. However, I haven't been able to discover if she was in> > Hiroshima >> in 1945 -- probably not.
My brain is getting stuck on all of those pulse labeling studies being
carried> out by someone who had radiation exposure at Hiroshima. That
and a few> instances where multiple hallways at some rather prestigious >> universities> were quickly covered in plywood before the floor tiles
could all be removed> and replaced overnight.

We do this sometimes after Senate meetings. Forensically much safer
toget rid of all trace evidence than just scrubbing them with bleach

France was one of the last countries in Europe to ban the use of
asbestos in buildings. But once it did, around 1995, it became absurdly fanatical about stripping out every fibre of asbestos it could find, probably putting people at far greater risk than if they have left the asbestos where it was, safely covered by wall panels etc.

Hah, let me tell you a story: a few years ago, we secured funding to renovate the Old
College, which had become structurally unsafe in addition to being grotty (after
300 years or so, the wooden beams that held it all together finally came apart )

For the renovation, we were relocated to the (architecturally reviled) David Hume Tower.
To my surprise - given how limited space is at the university - we were told that it had stood
empty for years. When I asked why, I was told b/c the asbestos had made it unsafe for the
Business Studies folks who had been in there before.... When I asked if the university thought
that lawyers were more expandable, or maybe immune to asbestos, I was told "don't worry, it
will be only temporary after all (turned out that meant 2.5 years) and all the asbestos was
passive and hidden behind the plaster walls and under the floor, , so as long nobody drilled holes
into them etc, it was reasonable safe."

Well, I'm shown my new office - brilliant view btw from the 12th floor - it was absolutely bare
but for a desk and a chair. "Where should I put my books, I asked, and how do I get my computer
connected to the outlets?" I was told "don't worry, we just drill a lot of holes in the walls and
but up shelves, and then rip up the floor and lay cables there...

It would be grossly wrong to insinuate anything> but the mind does
wander where it will. Tsuneko remaining in good health> should make me shut up. That and the fact that I only ever hear good things> about
people who have come through Arthur Kornberg's lab.

--
athel cb : Biochemical Evolution, Garland Science, 2016

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On 2023-08-13 08:14:30 +0000, Burkhard said:

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 8:46:12 AM UTC+1, Lawyer Daggett wrote:

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 3:16:13 AM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden
wrote:> > On 2023-08-12 17:19:37 +0000, RonO said:> >> > > On 8/12/2023
4:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:> > >> I hope and pray that Ron, his
family and his friends are all safe and> > >> well and not affected by
the dreadful fires in Hawaii> > >>> > >> > > Thanks for thinking of me,
but I do not live in Hawaii. I get emails> > > directed at someone with
the same name as me in Hawaii, but as far as I> > > know we are not
even related. My Great, great, grandparent in Japan> > > made up his
own surname. It was common at that time. Unfortunately my> > >
relatives that stayed in Japan lived in Hiroshima. Some survived and> >

my brother visited them, but I've never been to Japan.> > No doubt

you know what Okazaki fragments are (though I wouldn't be> > confident
that everyone here knows), and you probably know that Reiji> > Okazaki
died from radiation sickness acquired at Hiroshima. His wife> > Tsuneko
Okazaki is still alive, and apparently in good health at the> > age of
90. However, I haven't been able to discover if she was in> > Hiroshima
in 1945 -- probably not.
My brain is getting stuck on all of those pulse labeling studies being
carried> out by someone who had radiation exposure at Hiroshima. That
and a few> instances where multiple hallways at some rather prestigious
universities> were quickly covered in plywood before the floor tiles
could all be removed> and replaced overnight.

We do this sometimes after Senate meetings. Forensically much safer
toget rid of all trace evidence than just scrubbing them with bleach

France was one of the last countries in Europe to ban the use of
asbestos in buildings. But once it did, around 1995, it became absurdly fanatical about stripping out every fibre of asbestos it could find,
probably putting people at far greater risk than if they have left the
asbestos where it was, safely covered by wall panels etc.

It would be grossly wrong to insinuate anything> but the mind does
wander where it will. Tsuneko remaining in good health> should make me
shut up. That and the fact that I only ever hear good things> about
people who have come through Arthur Kornberg's lab.

--
athel cb : Biochemical Evolution, Garland Science, 2016

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On 8/13/2023 2:15 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

On 2023-08-12 17:19:37 +0000, RonO said:

On 8/12/2023 4:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:

I hope and pray that Ron, his family and his friends are all safe and
well and not affected by the dreadful fires in Hawaii

Thanks for thinking of me, but I do not live in Hawaii.  I get emails
directed at someone with the same name as me in Hawaii, but as far as
I know we are not even related.  My Great, great, grandparent in Japan
made up his own surname.  It was common at that time. Unfortunately my
relatives that stayed in Japan lived in Hiroshima.  Some survived and
my brother visited them, but I've never been to Japan.

No doubt you know what Okazaki fragments are (though I wouldn't be
confident that everyone here knows), and you probably know that Reiji
Okazaki died from radiation sickness acquired at Hiroshima. His wife
Tsuneko Okazaki is still alive, and apparently in good health at the age
of 90. However, I haven't been able to discover if she was in Hiroshima
in 1945 -- probably not.

We had to read Okazaki's papers for an upper division genetics class. I
noted to the instructor that Okazaki did not verify the existence of the leading strand of the then current models for DNA replication. All the
labeled strands of DNA were short when you expected half the label to be
in long strands. At that time they only found 2 polymerase units for
each replication bubble and I suggested that one unit was replicating
both leading and lagging strands of each replication fork, and that RNA
was likely being laid down on both strands, and not just the lagging
strand. By that time we knew that the way that Okazaki had isolated the fragments that it would have likely broken the DNA at any RNA
insertions. The professor just claimed that it could be due to some
artifact of the experimental procedure and that RNA is often put in by
accident by the polymerase, but that would have negated Okazaki's
findings. I don't know how it all worked out, but Okazaki's results
were not consistent with the DNA replication models of the early 1980's.

Ron Okimoto

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On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 02:57:21 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Burkhard
<b.schafer@ed.ac.uk>:

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 10:26:13?AM UTC+1, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: >> On 2023-08-13 08:14:30 +0000, Burkhard said:

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 8:46:12?AM UTC+1, Lawyer Daggett wrote:

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 3:16:13?AM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden
wrote:> > On 2023-08-12 17:19:37 +0000, RonO said:> >> > > On 8/12/2023 >> >> 4:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:> > >> I hope and pray that Ron, his
family and his friends are all safe and> > >> well and not affected by
the dreadful fires in Hawaii> > >>> > >> > > Thanks for thinking of me, >> >> but I do not live in Hawaii. I get emails> > > directed at someone with >> >> the same name as me in Hawaii, but as far as I> > > know we are not
even related. My Great, great, grandparent in Japan> > > made up his
own surname. It was common at that time. Unfortunately my> > >
relatives that stayed in Japan lived in Hiroshima. Some survived and> > >> >> > my brother visited them, but I've never been to Japan.> > No doubt
you know what Okazaki fragments are (though I wouldn't be> > confident
that everyone here knows), and you probably know that Reiji> > Okazaki
died from radiation sickness acquired at Hiroshima. His wife> > Tsuneko >> >> Okazaki is still alive, and apparently in good health at the> > age of
90. However, I haven't been able to discover if she was in> > Hiroshima >> >> in 1945 -- probably not.
My brain is getting stuck on all of those pulse labeling studies being
carried> out by someone who had radiation exposure at Hiroshima. That
and a few> instances where multiple hallways at some rather prestigious >> >> universities> were quickly covered in plywood before the floor tiles
could all be removed> and replaced overnight.

We do this sometimes after Senate meetings. Forensically much safer
toget rid of all trace evidence than just scrubbing them with bleach

France was one of the last countries in Europe to ban the use of
asbestos in buildings. But once it did, around 1995, it became absurdly
fanatical about stripping out every fibre of asbestos it could find,
probably putting people at far greater risk than if they have left the
asbestos where it was, safely covered by wall panels etc.

Hah, let me tell you a story: a few years ago, we secured funding to renovate the Old
College, which had become structurally unsafe in addition to being grotty (after
300 years or so, the wooden beams that held it all together finally came apart )

For the renovation, we were relocated to the (architecturally reviled) David Hume Tower.
To my surprise - given how limited space is at the university - we were told that it had stood
empty for years. When I asked why, I was told b/c the asbestos had made it unsafe for the
Business Studies folks who had been in there before.... When I asked if the university thought
that lawyers were more expandable, or maybe immune to asbestos, I was told "don't worry, it
will be only temporary after all (turned out that meant 2.5 years) and all the asbestos was
passive and hidden behind the plaster walls and under the floor, , so as long nobody drilled holes
into them etc, it was reasonable safe."

Well, I'm shown my new office - brilliant view btw from the 12th floor - it was absolutely bare
but for a desk and a chair. "Where should I put my books, I asked, and how do I get my computer
connected to the outlets?" I was told "don't worry, we just drill a lot of holes in the walls and
but up shelves, and then rip up the floor and lay cables there...

I believe that's what's commonly referred to as a cognitive
disconnect, leading to cognitive dissonance.

It would be grossly wrong to insinuate anything> but the mind does
wander where it will. Tsuneko remaining in good health> should make me
shut up. That and the fact that I only ever hear good things> about
people who have come through Arthur Kornberg's lab.

--
athel cb : Biochemical Evolution, Garland Science, 2016

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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