• Bees

    From RonO@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 5 07:22:45 2023
    They have sequenced a bunch of genomes (216 genomes) of the bee family
    and have attempted to determine how bees diversified and spread around
    the world. It turns out that they evolved when Gondwana was a super
    continent around 120 million years ago. The current dispersal of
    genomes and their estimated divergence patterns indicate that bees first evolved in the part of the continent that is now South America and
    Africa, and spread around the continent before the major break up of the
    land mass 65 million years ago.

    The origin and spread of bees parallels the proposed histories of the
    evolution and spread of angiosperms associated with various pollination strategies.

    So their evolution and spread across the globe is consistent with plant evolution and dispersal, the structure of the supercontinent and
    continential drift.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960982223009120?via%3Dihub

    https://news.wsu.edu/press-release/2023/07/31/bees-likely-evolved-from-ancient-supercontinent-earlier-than-suspected/

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 5 08:39:40 2023
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 07:22:45 -0500, the following appeared in
    talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:

    They have sequenced a bunch of genomes (216 genomes) of the bee family
    and have attempted to determine how bees diversified and spread around
    the world. It turns out that they evolved when Gondwana was a super >continent around 120 million years ago. The current dispersal of
    genomes and their estimated divergence patterns indicate that bees first >evolved in the part of the continent that is now South America and
    Africa, and spread around the continent before the major break up of the
    land mass 65 million years ago.

    The origin and spread of bees parallels the proposed histories of the >evolution and spread of angiosperms associated with various pollination >strategies.

    So their evolution and spread across the globe is consistent with plant >evolution and dispersal, the structure of the supercontinent and
    continential drift.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960982223009120?via%3Dihub

    https://news.wsu.edu/press-release/2023/07/31/bees-likely-evolved-from-ancient-supercontinent-earlier-than-suspected/

    So, the symbiotic equivalent of the predator-prey "arms
    race", where each side changes as a result of changes in the
    other? Again, interesting. And thanks.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to RonO on Sat Aug 5 23:16:33 2023
    RonO wrote:

    It turns out that they evolved when Gondwana was a super
    continent around 120 million years ago.

    If a big chunk of a super continent retains the name of that
    super continent, than there never was a Gondwana in the
    first place. It was Pangea.

    Science is consistent. If something isn't consistent then it's
    not science.




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