• Real science related questions

    From Jonathan Gresham@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 05:21:16 2023
    What do the various natural sciences and of course social sciences say about "globalization"? Is this the first time the worlds population has been interconnected and interdependent? What are the theories in Global Ethics used by scientists?

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  • From Jonathan Gresham@21:1/5 to Jonathan Gresham on Wed Jul 26 06:15:01 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:25:53 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Gresham wrote:
    What do the various natural sciences and of course social sciences say about "globalization"? Is this the first time the worlds population has been interconnected and interdependent? What are the theories in Global Ethics used by scientists?

    This board is about the origin of life but what the origin of organized life? (To paraphrase) there might had been organized human life before the the ice age.

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  • From Jonathan Gresham@21:1/5 to Jonathan Gresham on Wed Jul 26 06:11:34 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:25:53 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Gresham wrote:
    What do the various natural sciences and of course social sciences say about "globalization"? Is this the first time the worlds population has been interconnected and interdependent? What are the theories in Global Ethics used by scientists?

    This board is about the origin of life but what the origin of organized life? (To paraphrase) there might had been organized human life before the the ice age.

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 08:59:51 2023
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 06:15:01 -0700 (PDT), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by Jonathan Gresham <matt.gresham.email@gmail.com>:

    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:25:53?AM UTC-4, Jonathan Gresham wrote:
    What do the various natural sciences and of course social sciences say about "globalization"? Is this the first time the worlds population has been interconnected and interdependent? What are the theories in Global Ethics used by scientists?

    This board is about the origin of life but what the origin of organized life? (To paraphrase) there might had been organized human life before the the ice age.

    You are correct; that question would be off-topic here (not
    a deterrent to discussion, based on extensive historical
    evidence, but still...). But, assuming you're interested in
    human and proto-human cultures, you might be better off
    asking it in a sociology or, even better, anthropology
    group. There's quite a bit of data available, going back
    several million years.

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    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Ernest Major@21:1/5 to Jonathan Gresham on Wed Jul 26 17:28:57 2023
    On 26/07/2023 14:15, Jonathan Gresham wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:25:53 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Gresham wrote:
    What do the various natural sciences and of course social sciences say about "globalization"? Is this the first time the worlds population has been interconnected and interdependent? What are the theories in Global Ethics used by scientists?

    This board is about the origin of life but what the origin of organized life? (To paraphrase) there might had been organized human life before the the ice age.


    You need to define your terms. Human life could refer to anything from behaviourally modern humans (a term I am skeptical is meaningful*) to
    the whole of the genus Homo, or even more. The ice age could refer to
    the Wurm/Wisconsin( glaciation, or to the whole Pleistocene. (For some combinations of definitions there were no humans before the ice age.)
    Organised life strikes me as tautological - all life is organised. I
    presume you intend a different definition, but I hesitate to guess your meaning.

    * I suspect that behaviourally modern human is a sigmoid fraud - that
    there is no discontinuity between behaviourally modern humans and
    earlier anatomically modern humans.

    --
    alias Ernest Major

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Ernest Major on Wed Jul 26 18:10:38 2023
    Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    On 26/07/2023 14:15, Jonathan Gresham wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:25:53 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Gresham wrote: >>> What do the various natural sciences and of course social sciences say
    about "globalization"? Is this the first time the worlds population has
    been interconnected and interdependent? What are the theories in Global
    Ethics used by scientists?

    This board is about the origin of life but what the origin of organized
    life? (To paraphrase) there might had been organized human life before the the ice age.


    You need to define your terms. Human life could refer to anything from behaviourally modern humans (a term I am skeptical is meaningful*) to
    the whole of the genus Homo, or even more. The ice age could refer to
    the Wurm/Wisconsin( glaciation, or to the whole Pleistocene. (For some combinations of definitions there were no humans before the ice age.) Organised life strikes me as tautological - all life is organised. I
    presume you intend a different definition, but I hesitate to guess your meaning.

    * I suspect that behaviourally modern human is a sigmoid fraud - that
    there is no discontinuity between behaviourally modern humans and
    earlier anatomically modern humans.

    Such discontinuity could be provided for by formulated social constructions humans lacked long ago, such as a bill of “rights”, universal suffrage, corporate personhood, sovereignty conflicts etc and the social reflexivity
    such concepts unleash upon the world.

    People feel vaguely resentful their rights and sense of personal and
    national sovereignty are being encroached upon by impersonal multinational corporations that capture and supersede elected governments. Thus people
    tend to invent stories about globalists that often enough dovetail with medieval bogeys about the Jews.

    The same long held tendencies in human nature are there such as outgrouping
    and xenophobia, but the historical particulars were a bit more small scale
    when we were unsettled roving bands long before the agricultural revolution transformed us into more stable cumulative political and economic entities.


    Stuff that didn’t exist until recently such as Mount Pelerin and/or Chicago school style neoliberalism and debt based structural adjustment regimes do
    now. Given it’s a Washington Consensus, the US doesn’t quite have to abide by the same rules set for other struggling developing nations. But problems like offshoring and the opiate crisis do inject a populist sense of
    foreboding that is easily coopted and manipulated into bizarre mass
    delusions about shape shifting vampiric “lizard” cabals, 5G, and adrenochrome. The evils of globalism tend to be projected and scapegoated
    onto people like Bill Gates and George Soros.

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  • From Jonathan Gresham@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 16:25:06 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:15:54 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    On 26/07/2023 14:15, Jonathan Gresham wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:25:53 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Gresham wrote:
    What do the various natural sciences and of course social sciences say >>> about "globalization"? Is this the first time the worlds population has >>> been interconnected and interdependent? What are the theories in Global >>> Ethics used by scientists?

    This board is about the origin of life but what the origin of organized >> life? (To paraphrase) there might had been organized human life before the the ice age.


    You need to define your terms. Human life could refer to anything from behaviourally modern humans (a term I am skeptical is meaningful*) to
    the whole of the genus Homo, or even more. The ice age could refer to
    the Wurm/Wisconsin( glaciation, or to the whole Pleistocene. (For some combinations of definitions there were no humans before the ice age.) Organised life strikes me as tautological - all life is organised. I presume you intend a different definition, but I hesitate to guess your meaning.

    * I suspect that behaviourally modern human is a sigmoid fraud - that there is no discontinuity between behaviourally modern humans and
    earlier anatomically modern humans.

    Such discontinuity could be provided for by formulated social constructions humans lacked long ago, such as a bill of “rights”, universal suffrage, corporate personhood, sovereignty conflicts etc and the social reflexivity such concepts unleash upon the world.

    People feel vaguely resentful their rights and sense of personal and national sovereignty are being encroached upon by impersonal multinational corporations that capture and supersede elected governments. Thus people tend to invent stories about globalists that often enough dovetail with medieval bogeys about the Jews.

    The same long held tendencies in human nature are there such as outgrouping and xenophobia, but the historical particulars were a bit more small scale when we were unsettled roving bands long before the agricultural revolution transformed us into more stable cumulative political and economic entities.


    Stuff that didn’t exist until recently such as Mount Pelerin and/or Chicago
    school style neoliberalism and debt based structural adjustment regimes do now. Given it’s a Washington Consensus, the US doesn’t quite have to abide
    by the same rules set for other struggling developing nations. But problems like offshoring and the opiate crisis do inject a populist sense of foreboding that is easily coopted and manipulated into bizarre mass delusions about shape shifting vampiric “lizard” cabals, 5G, and adrenochrome. The evils of globalism tend to be projected and scapegoated onto people like Bill Gates and George Soros.
    The reason why I ask is because I am taking a class on Global Ethics
    in August, and the textbook that I had to order for it says somethings
    that made me want to ask some questions. I didn't know precisely where
    to ask. Next, I'll ask something like this to my school's forum, which
    is what I should had done to begin with, and I will try to leave you
    all alone. I am sorry.

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 16:46:04 2023
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 16:25:06 -0700 (PDT), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by Jonathan Gresham <matt.gresham.email@gmail.com>:

    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:15:54?PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    On 26/07/2023 14:15, Jonathan Gresham wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:25:53?AM UTC-4, Jonathan Gresham wrote: >> >>> What do the various natural sciences and of course social sciences say >> >>> about "globalization"? Is this the first time the worlds population has >> >>> been interconnected and interdependent? What are the theories in Global >> >>> Ethics used by scientists?

    This board is about the origin of life but what the origin of organized >> >> life? (To paraphrase) there might had been organized human life before the the ice age.


    You need to define your terms. Human life could refer to anything from
    behaviourally modern humans (a term I am skeptical is meaningful*) to
    the whole of the genus Homo, or even more. The ice age could refer to
    the Wurm/Wisconsin( glaciation, or to the whole Pleistocene. (For some
    combinations of definitions there were no humans before the ice age.)
    Organised life strikes me as tautological - all life is organised. I
    presume you intend a different definition, but I hesitate to guess your
    meaning.

    * I suspect that behaviourally modern human is a sigmoid fraud - that
    there is no discontinuity between behaviourally modern humans and
    earlier anatomically modern humans.

    Such discontinuity could be provided for by formulated social constructions >> humans lacked long ago, such as a bill of rights, universal suffrage,
    corporate personhood, sovereignty conflicts etc and the social reflexivity >> such concepts unleash upon the world.

    People feel vaguely resentful their rights and sense of personal and
    national sovereignty are being encroached upon by impersonal multinational >> corporations that capture and supersede elected governments. Thus people
    tend to invent stories about globalists that often enough dovetail with
    medieval bogeys about the Jews.

    The same long held tendencies in human nature are there such as outgrouping >> and xenophobia, but the historical particulars were a bit more small scale >> when we were unsettled roving bands long before the agricultural revolution >> transformed us into more stable cumulative political and economic entities. >>

    Stuff that didnt exist until recently such as Mount Pelerin and/or Chicago >> school style neoliberalism and debt based structural adjustment regimes do >> now. Given its a Washington Consensus, the US doesnt quite have to abide >> by the same rules set for other struggling developing nations. But problems >> like offshoring and the opiate crisis do inject a populist sense of
    foreboding that is easily coopted and manipulated into bizarre mass
    delusions about shape shifting vampiric lizard cabals, 5G, and
    adrenochrome. The evils of globalism tend to be projected and scapegoated
    onto people like Bill Gates and George Soros.
    The reason why I ask is because I am taking a class on Global Ethics
    in August, and the textbook that I had to order for it says somethings
    that made me want to ask some questions. I didn't know precisely where
    to ask. Next, I'll ask something like this to my school's forum, which
    is what I should had done to begin with, and I will try to leave you
    all alone. I am sorry.

    "Global Ethics" seems as definitive as "Global Culture",
    Global Politics" or "Global Diet".

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Mark Isaak@21:1/5 to Jonathan Gresham on Wed Jul 26 17:58:55 2023
    On 7/26/23 4:25 PM, Jonathan Gresham wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:15:54 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    On 26/07/2023 14:15, Jonathan Gresham wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:25:53 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Gresham wrote: >>>>> What do the various natural sciences and of course social sciences say >>>>> about "globalization"? Is this the first time the worlds population has >>>>> been interconnected and interdependent? What are the theories in Global >>>>> Ethics used by scientists?

    This board is about the origin of life but what the origin of organized >>>> life? (To paraphrase) there might had been organized human life before the the ice age.


    You need to define your terms. Human life could refer to anything from
    behaviourally modern humans (a term I am skeptical is meaningful*) to
    the whole of the genus Homo, or even more. The ice age could refer to
    the Wurm/Wisconsin( glaciation, or to the whole Pleistocene. (For some
    combinations of definitions there were no humans before the ice age.)
    Organised life strikes me as tautological - all life is organised. I
    presume you intend a different definition, but I hesitate to guess your
    meaning.

    * I suspect that behaviourally modern human is a sigmoid fraud - that
    there is no discontinuity between behaviourally modern humans and
    earlier anatomically modern humans.

    Such discontinuity could be provided for by formulated social constructions >> humans lacked long ago, such as a bill of “rights”, universal suffrage, >> corporate personhood, sovereignty conflicts etc and the social reflexivity >> such concepts unleash upon the world.

    People feel vaguely resentful their rights and sense of personal and
    national sovereignty are being encroached upon by impersonal multinational >> corporations that capture and supersede elected governments. Thus people
    tend to invent stories about globalists that often enough dovetail with
    medieval bogeys about the Jews.

    The same long held tendencies in human nature are there such as outgrouping >> and xenophobia, but the historical particulars were a bit more small scale >> when we were unsettled roving bands long before the agricultural revolution >> transformed us into more stable cumulative political and economic entities. >>

    Stuff that didn’t exist until recently such as Mount Pelerin and/or Chicago
    school style neoliberalism and debt based structural adjustment regimes do >> now. Given it’s a Washington Consensus, the US doesn’t quite have to abide
    by the same rules set for other struggling developing nations. But problems >> like offshoring and the opiate crisis do inject a populist sense of
    foreboding that is easily coopted and manipulated into bizarre mass
    delusions about shape shifting vampiric “lizard” cabals, 5G, and
    adrenochrome. The evils of globalism tend to be projected and scapegoated
    onto people like Bill Gates and George Soros.
    The reason why I ask is because I am taking a class on Global Ethics
    in August, and the textbook that I had to order for it says somethings
    that made me want to ask some questions. I didn't know precisely where
    to ask. Next, I'll ask something like this to my school's forum, which
    is what I should had done to begin with, and I will try to leave you
    all alone. I am sorry.

    No need to apologize. This group is for discussing origins, yes, but we
    go off on tangents all the time. Your topic is, at the least, a welcome diversion from the trolls.

    --
    Mark Isaak
    "Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That
    doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Jonathan Gresham on Thu Jul 27 00:14:49 2023
    Jonathan Gresham <matt.gresham.email@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:15:54 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    On 26/07/2023 14:15, Jonathan Gresham wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:25:53 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Gresham wrote: >>>>> What do the various natural sciences and of course social sciences say >>>>> about "globalization"? Is this the first time the worlds population has >>>>> been interconnected and interdependent? What are the theories in Global >>>>> Ethics used by scientists?

    This board is about the origin of life but what the origin of organized >>>> life? (To paraphrase) there might had been organized human life before the the ice age.


    You need to define your terms. Human life could refer to anything from
    behaviourally modern humans (a term I am skeptical is meaningful*) to
    the whole of the genus Homo, or even more. The ice age could refer to
    the Wurm/Wisconsin( glaciation, or to the whole Pleistocene. (For some
    combinations of definitions there were no humans before the ice age.)
    Organised life strikes me as tautological - all life is organised. I
    presume you intend a different definition, but I hesitate to guess your
    meaning.

    * I suspect that behaviourally modern human is a sigmoid fraud - that
    there is no discontinuity between behaviourally modern humans and
    earlier anatomically modern humans.

    Such discontinuity could be provided for by formulated social constructions >> humans lacked long ago, such as a bill of “rights”, universal suffrage, >> corporate personhood, sovereignty conflicts etc and the social reflexivity >> such concepts unleash upon the world.

    People feel vaguely resentful their rights and sense of personal and
    national sovereignty are being encroached upon by impersonal multinational >> corporations that capture and supersede elected governments. Thus people
    tend to invent stories about globalists that often enough dovetail with
    medieval bogeys about the Jews.

    The same long held tendencies in human nature are there such as outgrouping >> and xenophobia, but the historical particulars were a bit more small scale >> when we were unsettled roving bands long before the agricultural revolution >> transformed us into more stable cumulative political and economic entities. >>

    Stuff that didn’t exist until recently such as Mount Pelerin and/or Chicago
    school style neoliberalism and debt based structural adjustment regimes do >> now. Given it’s a Washington Consensus, the US doesn’t quite have to abide
    by the same rules set for other struggling developing nations. But problems >> like offshoring and the opiate crisis do inject a populist sense of
    foreboding that is easily coopted and manipulated into bizarre mass
    delusions about shape shifting vampiric “lizard” cabals, 5G, and
    adrenochrome. The evils of globalism tend to be projected and scapegoated
    onto people like Bill Gates and George Soros.
    The reason why I ask is because I am taking a class on Global Ethics
    in August, and the textbook that I had to order for it says somethings
    that made me want to ask some questions. I didn't know precisely where
    to ask. Next, I'll ask something like this to my school's forum, which
    is what I should had done to begin with, and I will try to leave you
    all alone. I am sorry.


    More relevant to this forum were *Global Brain* by Howard Bloom and
    *Nonzero* by Robert Wright. The latter may have taken some inspiration from Teilhard. It’s been decades since publication or me reading them. Good
    luck.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to Jonathan Gresham on Thu Jul 27 05:34:26 2023
    Jonathan Gresham wrote:

    What do the various natural sciences and of course social sciences say
    about "globalization"? Is this the first time the worlds population has
    been interconnected and interdependent? What are the theories in Global Ethics used by scientists?

    History tells us that it's a horrible idea. The concentration of power, control in the hands of so few.

    "science" has nothing to do with it.

    We could argue how great it would be, how with a one-world government
    we wouldn't need a military but that would be a lie. Militaries would exist
    to beat down insurgents and keep the rest of us inline.

    We might argue that we wouldn't need nuclear weapons anymore, without
    nation states to threaten. That might be true. Then again, would anyone demented enough to believe that they should be ruling the world somehow
    manage to be normal enough to figure they can safely get rid of nuclear weapons?

    Nah, this isn't about science. It's about history. And nothing in history suggests it could be anything but a disaster for mankind.



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