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  • Re: About space.

    From Owen Fragor@21:1/5 to Glenn on Sat Jul 15 23:15:45 2023
    Glenn wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 11:00:11 AM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 00:30:36 -0700 (PDT), israel sadovnik
    <israels...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 09:00:10 UTC+3, Glenn wrote:
    "It's not the starship that's moving — it's the space around it. "

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna51871946
    ----
    Each Space is made up of particles and therefore has a mass.
    FYI even particle-free space has mass from energy.

    So energy can and is being created and destroyed constantly by virtual particles?


    Energy can not be created or destroyed, but can be converted
    from one form to another. Mass in/of a system remains constant.

    If you drag in virtual particles, you have quite the fun with
    adding in the Casimir Effect, quantum vacuums, vacuum energies -
    fascinating stuff. Can't violate thermo so the books balance.

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to invalide@invalid.invalid on Sun Jul 16 04:44:33 2023
    On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 23:15:45 -0600, Owen Fragor
    <invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Glenn wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 11:00:11?AM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 00:30:36 -0700 (PDT), israel sadovnik
    <israels...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 09:00:10 UTC+3, Glenn wrote:
    "It's not the starship that's moving — it's the space around it. " >>>>>
    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna51871946
    ----
    Each Space is made up of particles and therefore has a mass.
    FYI even particle-free space has mass from energy.

    So energy can and is being created and destroyed constantly by virtual particles?


    Energy can not be created or destroyed, but can be converted
    from one form to another. Mass in/of a system remains constant.

    If you drag in virtual particles, you have quite the fun with
    adding in the Casimir Effect, quantum vacuums, vacuum energies -
    fascinating stuff. Can't violate thermo so the books balance.


    Virtual particles, which perhaps exist for but a single unit of Planck
    time, are an exception. Analogous to Keynesian economics, they borrow
    future energy in order to create particles, which are then annihilated
    in order to pay back what is owed.

    --
    You're entitled to your own opinions.
    You're not entitled to your own facts.

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  • From Glenn@21:1/5 to Owen Fragor on Sun Jul 16 14:18:13 2023
    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:20:41 PM UTC-7, Owen Fragor wrote:
    Glenn wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 11:00:11 AM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 00:30:36 -0700 (PDT), israel sadovnik
    <israels...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 09:00:10 UTC+3, Glenn wrote:
    "It's not the starship that's moving — it's the space around it. " >>>>
    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna51871946
    ----
    Each Space is made up of particles and therefore has a mass.
    FYI even particle-free space has mass from energy.

    So energy can and is being created and destroyed constantly by virtual particles?

    Energy can not be created or destroyed, but can be converted
    from one form to another. Mass in/of a system remains constant.

    Are you stating a fact, or just repeating what you hear about classical physics claims?
    "A system" sounds an awful lot like "naturalism".

    If you drag in virtual particles, you have quite the fun with
    adding in the Casimir Effect, quantum vacuums, vacuum energies -
    fascinating stuff. Can't violate thermo so the books balance.

    What books? The cosmological constant problem?

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 17 10:28:30 2023
    On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 14:18:13 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennSheldon@msn.com>
    wrote:

    On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:20:41?PM UTC-7, Owen Fragor wrote:
    Glenn wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 11:00:11?AM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 00:30:36 -0700 (PDT), israel sadovnik
    <israels...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 09:00:10 UTC+3, Glenn wrote:
    "It's not the starship that's moving — it's the space around it. " >> >>>>
    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna51871946
    ----
    Each Space is made up of particles and therefore has a mass.
    FYI even particle-free space has mass from energy.

    So energy can and is being created and destroyed constantly by virtual particles?

    Energy can not be created or destroyed, but can be converted
    from one form to another. Mass in/of a system remains constant.

    Are you stating a fact, or just repeating what you hear about classical physics claims?


    How would either of these cases make any difference to you?


    "A system" sounds an awful lot like "naturalism".

    If you drag in virtual particles, you have quite the fun with
    adding in the Casimir Effect, quantum vacuums, vacuum energies -
    fascinating stuff. Can't violate thermo so the books balance.

    What books? The cosmological constant problem?

    --
    You're entitled to your own opinions.
    You're not entitled to your own facts.

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