Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

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On Mon, 1 May 2023 08:41:13 -0700 (PDT), Matt Beasley
<lessgovt@gmail.com> wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

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Harry Kirschner wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

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You can vote for a representative, and they'll vote on Human Laws;
you DON'T get to vote on Laws of Nature! When we're suffering from
all the consequences of overpopulation, we don't ask doctors and epidemiologists for help, because they're too busy patting themselves
on the back!
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On Mon, 01 May 2023 13:57:42 -0400, Harry Krishna
<opus@pearpimples.com> wrote:

On Mon, 1 May 2023 08:41:13 -0700 (PDT), Matt Beasley
<lessgovt@gmail.com> wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

Now THAT is a POTM retort.


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, jillery wrote:

Harry Krishna wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

Now THAT is a POTM retort.

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Doctors and epidemiologists can't say anything about the negative
effects of overpopulation, because it's not their "field"! In other words, they're not responsible for the consequences of their actions!
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On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 2:35:08 AM UTC-4, Matt Beasley wrote:

, jillery wrote:

Harry Krishna wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

Now THAT is a POTM retort.

------------------------
Doctors and epidemiologists can't say anything about the negative
effects of overpopulation, because it's not their "field"! In other words, they're not responsible for the consequences of their actions!
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Improvements in public health, including reductions in communicable disease are associated with decreases in birth rate. Restricting medical care will worsen, not lessen, overpopulation.

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Matt Beasley <lessgovt@gmail.com> wrote:

Harry Kirschner wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

-----------------
You can vote for a representative, and they'll vote on Human Laws;
you DON'T get to vote on Laws of Nature! When we're suffering from
all the consequences of overpopulation, we don't ask doctors and epidemiologists for help, because they're too busy patting themselves
on the back!

As we should. Maybe overkill but I recently got my third IPV shot. If you received a polio vaccine (OPV?) as a child due to parent concern or duty,
you should be thankful if you’re not posting from an iron lung.

As TH Huxley asserted we can fight the cosmic process and not accept it. Training your adaptive immune system with vaccinations is not much
different from educating your brain cells, except the former takes
advantage of affinity maturation via genetic change.

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On Mon, 1 May 2023 23:31:46 -0700 (PDT), Matt Beasley
<lessgovt@gmail.com> wrote:

, jillery wrote:

Harry Krishna wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

Now THAT is a POTM retort.

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Doctors and epidemiologists can't say anything about the negative
effects of overpopulation, because it's not their "field"! In other words, >they're not responsible for the consequences of their actions!

It's almost certain Matt Beasley is neither a doctor nor an
epidemiologist. It's possible his posts are output from a
malfunctioning AI system.

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Matt Beasley <lessgovt@gmail.com> wrote:

, jillery wrote:

Harry Krishna wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

Now THAT is a POTM retort.

------------------------
Doctors and epidemiologists can't say anything about the negative
effects of overpopulation, because it's not their "field"! In other words, they're not responsible for the consequences of their actions!

Darwin and Huxley were pro-vaccination, Bulldog Huxley adamantly so. They
knew far more about laws of nature than you. Darwin literally wrote the
book.

Spencer and Wallace were antivaccination. Not a good look for them.

Cite:
The Science of Sympathy: Morality, Evolution,and Victorian Civilization by
Rob Boddice

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On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 10:41:51 AM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

Matt Beasley <less...@gmail.com> wrote:

, jillery wrote:

Harry Krishna wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

Now THAT is a POTM retort.

------------------------
Doctors and epidemiologists can't say anything about the negative
effects of overpopulation, because it's not their "field"! In other words, they're not responsible for the consequences of their actions!

Darwin and Huxley were pro-vaccination, Bulldog Huxley adamantly so. They knew far more about laws of nature than you. Darwin literally wrote the book.

Spencer and Wallace were antivaccination. Not a good look for them.

Cite:
The Science of Sympathy: Morality, Evolution,and Victorian Civilization by Rob Boddice

And there's lots more to suppressing communicable disease then vaccination. To really implement Beasley's program you'd need to eliminate sewage treatment plants, restaurant health inspections, sick leave, meat and poultry inspections, municipal water
systems, and all sorts of other things that were at least as important in reducing infectious disease mortality as vaccines.

And if the more important value for a human being is their ability to survive in a state of nature - ie if that's what means they are not an "inferior form" then even houses and fire and agriculture ought to go. If you can't make it on Naked and Afraid,
you're life unworthy of life.

What nonsense.

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broger...@gmail.com <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 10:41:51 AM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

Matt Beasley <less...@gmail.com> wrote:

, jillery wrote:

Harry Krishna wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

Now THAT is a POTM retort.

------------------------
Doctors and epidemiologists can't say anything about the negative
effects of overpopulation, because it's not their "field"! In other words, >>> they're not responsible for the consequences of their actions!

Darwin and Huxley were pro-vaccination, Bulldog Huxley adamantly so. They
knew far more about laws of nature than you. Darwin literally wrote the
book.

Spencer and Wallace were antivaccination. Not a good look for them.

Cite:
The Science of Sympathy: Morality, Evolution,and Victorian Civilization by >> Rob Boddice

And there's lots more to suppressing communicable disease then
vaccination. To really implement Beasley's program you'd need to
eliminate sewage treatment plants, restaurant health inspections, sick
leave, meat and poultry inspections, municipal water systems, and all
sorts of other things that were at least as important in reducing
infectious disease mortality as vaccines.

And if the more important value for a human being is their ability to
survive in a state of nature - ie if that's what means they are not an "inferior form" then even houses and fire and agriculture ought to go. If
you can't make it on Naked and Afraid, you're life unworthy of life.

What nonsense.

Everyone without exception should be required to drink raw sewage water
once a month and have rusty needles dipped in horse manure jabbed in their thigh once a year. Each decade they should be bitten by an unvaccinated dog that recently fought a rabid raccoon. Only those who continue past this microbial gauntlet shall procreate as microbial challenge is known to focus
on globally important traits, not just innate immunity.

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On Wed, 03 May 2023 15:03:23 +0000, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
<ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>:

broger...@gmail.com <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 10:41:51?AM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

Matt Beasley <less...@gmail.com> wrote:

, jillery wrote:

Harry Krishna wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

Now THAT is a POTM retort.

------------------------
Doctors and epidemiologists can't say anything about the negative
effects of overpopulation, because it's not their "field"! In other words, >>>> they're not responsible for the consequences of their actions!

Darwin and Huxley were pro-vaccination, Bulldog Huxley adamantly so. They >>> knew far more about laws of nature than you. Darwin literally wrote the
book.

Spencer and Wallace were antivaccination. Not a good look for them.

Cite:
The Science of Sympathy: Morality, Evolution,and Victorian Civilization by >>> Rob Boddice

And there's lots more to suppressing communicable disease then
vaccination. To really implement Beasley's program you'd need to
eliminate sewage treatment plants, restaurant health inspections, sick
leave, meat and poultry inspections, municipal water systems, and all
sorts of other things that were at least as important in reducing
infectious disease mortality as vaccines.

And if the more important value for a human being is their ability to
survive in a state of nature - ie if that's what means they are not an
"inferior form" then even houses and fire and agriculture ought to go. If
you can't make it on Naked and Afraid, you're life unworthy of life.

What nonsense.

Everyone without exception should be required to drink raw sewage water
once a month and have rusty needles dipped in horse manure jabbed in their >thigh once a year. Each decade they should be bitten by an unvaccinated dog >that recently fought a rabid raccoon. Only those who continue past this >microbial gauntlet shall procreate as microbial challenge is known to focus >on globally important traits, not just innate immunity.

If by "everyone without exception" you meant "Matt Beasley
and his unexceptional followers" I can live with that. Them,
not so much.

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Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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*Hemidactylus* wrote:

Matt Beasley <less...@gmail.com> wrote:

Harry Kirschner wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

-----------------
You can vote for a representative, and they'll vote on Human Laws;
you DON'T get to vote on Laws of Nature! When we're suffering from
all the consequences of overpopulation, we don't ask doctors and epidemiologists for help, because they're too busy patting themselves
on the back!

As we should. Maybe overkill but I recently got my third IPV shot. If you received a polio vaccine (OPV?) as a child due to parent concern or duty, you should be thankful if you’re not posting from an iron lung.

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Poliomyelitis, aka polio, is an infectious disease caused by the poliovirus. Approx. 75% of cases are asymptomatic; mild symptoms which can occur include sore throat and fever; in a proportion of cases more severe symptoms develop such as headache, neck
stiffness, and paresthesia. These symptoms usually pass within one or two weeks. A less common symptom is permanent paralysis, and possible death in extreme cases. Years after recovery, post-polio syndrome may occur, with a slow development of muscle
weakness similar to that which the person had during the initial infection.

Polio occurs naturally only in humans. It is highly infectious, and is spread from person to person either through fecal-oral transmission (e.g. poor hygiene, or by ingestion of food or water contaminated by human feces), or via the oral-oral route.
Those who are infected may spread the disease for up to 6 weeks even if no symptoms are present. The disease may be diagnosed by finding the virus in the feces or detecting antibodies against it in the blood.

Poliomyelitis has existed for thousands of years, with depictions of the disease in ancient art. The disease was first recognized as a distinct condition by the English physician Michael Underwood in 1789, and the virus that causes it was first
identified in 1909 by the Austrian immunologist Karl Landsteiner. Major outbreaks started to occur in the late 19th century in Europe and the U.S, and in the 20th c., it became one of the most worrying childhood diseases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio

As TH Huxley asserted we can fight the cosmic process and not accept it. Training your adaptive immune system with vaccinations is not much
different from educating your brain cells, except the former takes
advantage of affinity maturation via genetic change.

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Biographers have sometimes noted the occurrence of mental illness in the Huxley family. His father became "sunk in worse than childish imbecility of mind", and later died in Barming Asylum; brother George suffered from "extreme mental anxiety" and died
in 1863 leaving serious debts. Brother James, a well known psychiatrist and Superintendent of Kent County Asylum, was at 55 "as near mad as any sane man can be". His favourite daughter, the artistically talented Mady (Marian), who became the first wife
of artist John Collier, was troubled by mental illness for years. She died of pneumonia in her mid-twenties.

About Huxley himself we have a more complete record. As a young apprentice to a medical practitioner, aged thirteen or fourteen, Huxley was taken to watch a post-mortem dissection. Afterwards he sank into a "deep lethargy" and, though Huxley ascribed
this to dissection poisoning, Bibby and others may be right to suspect that emotional shock precipitated the depression. Huxley recuperated on a farm, looking thin and ill.

The next episode we know of in Huxley's life when he suffered a debilitating depression was on the third voyage of HMS Rattlesnake in 1848. Huxley had further periods of depression at the end of 1871, and again in 1873. Finally, in 1884 he sank into
another depression, and this time it precipitated his decision to retire in 1885, at the age of 60. This is enough to indicate the way depression (or perhaps a moderate bipolar disorder) interfered with his life, yet unlike some of the other family
members, he was able to function extremely well at other times.

The problems continued sporadically into the third generation. Two of Leonard's sons suffered serious depression: Trevennen committed suicide in 1914 and Julian suffered a breakdown in 1913, and five more later in life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Henry_Huxley
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*Hemidactylus* wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

, jillery wrote:

Harry Krishna wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

Now THAT is a POTM retort.

------------------------
Doctors and epidemiologists can't say anything about the negative
effects of overpopulation, because it's not their "field"! In other words, they're not responsible for the consequences of their actions!

Darwin and Huxley were pro-vaccination, Bulldog Huxley adamantly so. They knew far more about laws of nature than you. Darwin literally wrote the
book. Spencer and Wallace were antivaccination. Not a good look for them.

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Check out the world population and fossil fuel usage in the 1880s 1890s! lol They would most certainly have changed their views if confronting what we have today! lolz
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On Monday, 1 May 2023 at 16:45:07 UTC+1, Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

What species?

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broger...@gmail.com wrote:

*Hemidactylus* wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

, jillery wrote:

Harry Krishna wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

Now THAT is a POTM retort.

------------------------
Doctors and epidemiologists can't say anything about the negative effects of overpopulation, because it's not their "field"! In other words,
they're not responsible for the consequences of their actions!

Darwin and Huxley were pro-vaccination, Bulldog Huxley adamantly so. They knew far more about laws of nature than you. Darwin literally wrote the book.

Spencer and Wallace were antivaccination. Not a good look for them.

Cite:
The Science of Sympathy: Morality, Evolution,and Victorian Civilization by Rob Boddice

And there's lots more to suppressing communicable disease then vaccination. To really implement Beasley's program you'd need to eliminate sewage treatment plants, restaurant health inspections, sick leave, meat and poultry inspections, municipal water

systems, and all sorts of other things that were at least as important in reducing infectious disease mortality as vaccines.
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And there's a lot more to the War on Drugs than just marijuana, but how many people are calling for blanket legalization? We always have options, and we can draw the line wherever we please! And you don't really give a damn about the
overpopulation issue; you NEVER talk about it except when I bring it up. You're like
a friend of mine, a scientist, who says: "I don't care, I'll be dead in 20 years!".
Or, you believe, like most people, that Anything goes! Numbers don't matter! There's no limits!
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On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:36:39 PM UTC-4, Matt Beasley wrote:

broger...@gmail.com wrote:

*Hemidactylus* wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

, jillery wrote:

Harry Krishna wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Suppressing communicable diseases doesn't make the species
stronger; it just allows inferior forms to persist!

For which you may wish to thank those who suppress them.

Now THAT is a POTM retort.

------------------------
Doctors and epidemiologists can't say anything about the negative effects of overpopulation, because it's not their "field"! In other words,
they're not responsible for the consequences of their actions!

Darwin and Huxley were pro-vaccination, Bulldog Huxley adamantly so. They
knew far more about laws of nature than you. Darwin literally wrote the book.

Spencer and Wallace were antivaccination. Not a good look for them.

Cite:
The Science of Sympathy: Morality, Evolution,and Victorian Civilization by
Rob Boddice

And there's lots more to suppressing communicable disease then vaccination. To really implement Beasley's program you'd need to eliminate sewage treatment plants, restaurant health inspections, sick leave, meat and poultry inspections, municipal

water systems, and all sorts of other things that were at least as important in reducing infectious disease mortality as vaccines.

---------------------
And there's a lot more to the War on Drugs than just marijuana, but how many people are calling for blanket legalization? We always have options, and we can draw the line wherever we please! And you don't really give a damn about the
overpopulation issue; you NEVER talk about it except when I bring it up. You're like
a friend of mine, a scientist, who says: "I don't care, I'll be dead in 20 years!".
Or, you believe, like most people, that Anything goes! Numbers don't matter! There's no limits!
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I don't talk about the overpopulation issue unless you bring it up because it's off topic on talk origins, not because I don't care about it. I think your "solution" would just make the problem worse. It's pretty clear what brings birth rates down:
improved health care, reduced childhood mortality, women's control over their own reproductive biology, women's economic empowerment, and those are all things I support with my votes and donations. You've got one proposed solution for which you've
offered not the slightest evidence that it would work, quite apart from any ethical issues with it. You don't have to argue about whether the ends justify the means if the means won't get you to the ends.

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