https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/news/2023/02/archaeological-breakthrough-evidence-that-neanderthals-hunted-giant-elephants
Scientific breakthrough: evidence that Neanderthals hunted
giant elephants
02 February 2023

Neanderthals were able to outwit straight-tusked
elephants, the largest land mammals of the past few
million years. Leiden professor Wil Roebroeks has
published an article about this together with his
German colleague Sabine Gaudzinski-Windheuser in the
Science Advances journal.
...


https://www.science.org/content/article/neanderthals-lived-groups-big-enough-eat-giant-elephants

Neanderthals lived in groups big enough to eat giant elephants
Meat from the butchered beasts would have fed hundreds

On the muddy shores of a lake in east-central Germany,
Neanderthals gathered some 125,000 years ago to butcher
massive elephants. With sharp stone tools, they harvested
up to 4 tons of flesh from each animal, according to a
new study that is casting these ancient human relatives
in a new light. The degree of organization required to
carry out the butchery—and the sheer quantity of food it
provided - suggests Neanderthals could form much larger
social groups than previously thought.



https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/sciadv.add8186

Hunting and processing of straight-tusked elephants 125.000
years ago: Implications for Neanderthal behavior

Straight-tusked elephants (Palaeoloxodon antiquus) were
the largest terrestrial mammals of the Pleistocene, present
in Eurasian landscapes between 800,000 and 100,000 years
ago.The occasional co-occurrence of their skeletal remains
with stone tools has generated rich speculation about the
nature of interactions between these elephants and
Pleistocene humans: Did hominins scavenge on elephants that
died a natural death or maybe even hunt some individuals?
Our archaeozoological study of the largest P. antiquus
assemblage known, excavated from 125,000-year-old lake
deposits in Germany, shows that hunting of elephants
weighing up to 13 metric tons was part of the cultural
repertoire of Last Interglacial Neanderthals there, over

2000 years, many dozens of generations. The intensity and

nutritional yields of these well-documented butchering
activities, combined with previously reported data from
this Neumark-Nordsite complex, suggest that Neanderthals
were less mobileand operated within social units
substantially larger than commonly envisaged.
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savanna believer:

https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/news/2023/02/archaeological-breakthrough-evidence-that-neanderthals-hunted-giant-elephants

Hunting and processing of straight-tusked elephants 125.000 years ago: implications for Neanderthal behavior
Sabine Gaudzinski-Windheuser cs 2023 Sci.Adv.9 doi 10.1126/sciadv.add8186
The occasional co-occurrence of Palaeoloxodon antiquus skeletal remains (the largest Pleist.terrestrial mammal, Eurasia 800-100 ka) with stone tools has generated rich speculation:
did hominins scavenge on elephants that died a natural death? or maybe even hunt some individuals?
Our archaeo-zoological study of the largest P.antiquus assemblage known (125-ka lake deposits in Germany) shows:
hunting of elephants (up to 13 metric tons) was part of the cultural repertoire of Last Interglacial Neanderthals (Hn) there, over >2000 yrs.
The intensity & nutritional yields of these well-documented butchering activities + previously reported data from this Neumark-Nord site complex, suggest:
Hn were less mobile, and operated within social units substantially larger than commonly envisaged.

Butchering is not hunting. Hn & P.antiquus probably more than occasionally co-occurred:
Hn pachy-osteo-sclerosis (POS) of occiput + large paranasal air sinuses = back-floating + diving for shallow-aquatic foods (probably mostly shellfish):
apparently, Hn seasonally followed the river (e.g. Rhine-Neander) inland, e.g. salmon trek, mostly wading?
Hn POS, huge brain (DHA), big nose, broad thorax & pelvis + lateral & more horizontal femoral necks, platymeria, platycephaly etc. indicate (compar.anatomy) frequent shallow-diving for aquatic foods.

https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

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marc verhaegen wrote:

savanna believer:

https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/news/2023/02/archaeological-breakthrough-evidence-that-neanderthals-hunted-giant-elephants

Hunting and processing of straight-tusked elephants 125.000 years ago: implications for Neanderthal behavior
Sabine Gaudzinski-Windheuser cs 2023 Sci.Adv.9 doi 10.1126/sciadv.add8186
The occasional co-occurrence of Palaeoloxodon antiquus skeletal remains (the largest Pleist.terrestrial mammal, Eurasia 800-100 ka) with stone tools has generated rich speculation:
did hominins scavenge on elephants that died a natural death? or maybe even hunt some individuals?
Our archaeo-zoological study of the largest P.antiquus assemblage known (125-ka lake deposits in Germany) shows:
hunting of elephants (up to 13 metric tons) was part of the cultural repertoire of Last Interglacial Neanderthals (Hn) there, over >2000 yrs.
The intensity & nutritional yields of these well-documented butchering activities + previously reported data from this Neumark-Nord site complex, suggest:
Hn were less mobile, and operated within social units substantially larger than commonly envisaged.

Butchering is not hunting. Hn & P.antiquus probably more than occasionally co-occurred:
Hn pachy-osteo-sclerosis (POS) of occiput + large paranasal air sinuses = back-floating + diving for shallow-aquatic foods (probably mostly shellfish):
apparently, Hn seasonally followed the river (e.g. Rhine-Neander) inland, e.g. salmon trek, mostly wading?
Hn POS, huge brain (DHA), big nose, broad thorax & pelvis + lateral & more horizontal femoral necks, platymeria, platycephaly etc. indicate (compar.anatomy) frequent shallow-diving for aquatic foods.

https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

Butchered after hunted


https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/sciadv.add8186
Hunting and processing of straight-tusked elephants 125.000
years ago: Implications for Neanderthal behavior

Picking up shellfish is not being aquatic.

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savanna believer:

https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/news/2023/02/archaeological-breakthrough-evidence-that-neanderthals-hunted-giant-elephants

Hunting and processing of straight-tusked elephants 125.000 years ago: implications for Neanderthal behavior
Sabine Gaudzinski-Windheuser cs 2023 Sci.Adv.9 doi 10.1126/sciadv.add8186 The occasional co-occurrence of Palaeoloxodon antiquus skeletal remains (the largest Pleist.terrestrial mammal, Eurasia 800-100 ka) with stone tools has generated rich speculation:
did hominins scavenge on elephants that died a natural death? or maybe even hunt some individuals?
Our archaeo-zoological study of the largest P.antiquus assemblage known (125-ka lake deposits in Germany) shows:
hunting of elephants (up to 13 metric tons) was part of the cultural repertoire of Last Interglacial Neanderthals (Hn) there, over >2000 yrs.
The intensity & nutritional yields of these well-documented butchering activities + previously reported data from this Neumark-Nord site complex, suggest:
Hn were less mobile, and operated within social units substantially larger than commonly envisaged.

Butchering is not hunting. Hn & P.antiquus probably more than occasionally co-occurred:
Hn pachy-osteo-sclerosis (POS) of occiput + large paranasal air sinuses = back-floating + diving for shallow-aquatic foods (probably mostly shellfish):
apparently, Hn seasonally followed the river (e.g. Rhine-Neander) inland, e.g. salmon trek, mostly wading?
Hn POS, huge brain (DHA), big nose, broad thorax & pelvis + lateral & more horizontal femoral necks, platymeria, platycephaly etc. indicate (compar.anatomy) frequent shallow-diving for aquatic foods.
https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

Butchered after hunted

Hunting unproven, though not impossible:
read the paper before trying to say something!

Picking up shellfish is not being aquatic.

If not, so what???

Grow up, little boy:

Hn pachy-osteo-sclerosis (POS) of occiput + large paranasal air sinuses = back-floating + diving for shallow-aquatic foods (probably mostly shellfish):
apparently, Hn seasonally followed the river (e.g. Rhine-Neander) inland, e.g. salmon trek, mostly wading?
Hn POS, huge brain (DHA), big nose, broad thorax & pelvis + lateral & more horizontal femoral necks, platymeria, platycephaly etc. indicate (compar.anatomy) frequent shallow-diving for aquatic foods.
https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

POS is *exclusively* seen in slow+shallow-diving tetrapods.
POS He>>Hn>>Hs
(neandertals seasonally followed the river inland? salmon??)

Only incredible idiots deny H.erectus frequently dived.
Most likely often for shellfish:
- brain size doubled (seafood=brainfood: DHA etc.),
- shelfish engravings, google "Joordens Munro",
- island colonizations: Flores >18 km oversea,
- stone tools,
- etc.etc.

Only ridiculous savanna believers still think H.erectus or H.neand. ran after antelopes: :-DDD
- flat feet,
- heavy skeleton,
- heavy brain,
- dorso-ventrally flattened femora (platymeria),
- rel.long & laterally-pointing femoral necks (perfect for swimming, but not running),
- valgus knees (idem), etc.etc.

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Gisulat ni GondwanaTalks Verhaegen:

Only incredible idiots deny H.erectus frequently dived.
Most likely often for shellfish:

- brain size doubled (seafood=brainfood: DHA etc.),

Nowadays we would call it hydrocephalus.

- shelfish engravings, google "Joordens Munro",

Sure. H erectus used to jump into the mangrove swamp and crafted these beautiful shellfish engravings under water, with the aid of his stone
tools (see below).

- island colonizations: Flores >18 km oversea,

H erectus reached Flores by wading the >18 km distance with only his
head and his knapsack held above sea level. And once they arrived
something happened which shrunk them incredibly (we still don't know
WHAT happened though).

- stone tools,

See above.

- etc.etc.

Speaks for itself!

Only ridiculous savanna believers still think H.erectus or H.neand. ran after antelopes: :-DDD

- flat feet,

Nowadays we use shoe inserts to conquer flat feet. Having flat feet also enables us to put on flippers more easily.

- heavy skeleton,

Our skeletons are so heavy, we can hardly move on dry land!

- heavy brain,

That's what you get from all those super important thinking processes.

- dorso-ventrally flattened femora (platymeria),

Platymeria are living fossil fish, a fact that lends even more weight to
the evidence for the aquatic inheritance of mankind!

- rel.long & laterally-pointing femoral necks (perfect for swimming, but not running),

That's why we are so much better at swimming than walking. Pity is if we
don't learn to swim we drown.

- valgus knees (idem),

It has been scientifically proven that people with x-legs swim faster
than people with o-legs!

etc.etc.

See above.

Disclaimer: what else can I do but answer unhinged claptrap with even
more nonsense?

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Pro Plyd wrote:

Butchered after hunted

#1. Butchering does not suggest hunting, much less require it.

(Google: Scavenging)

#2. It can't and doesn't refute the evidence for the exploitation
of marine resources.

#3. You'd have to be retarded for making the same stupid errors,
the way you do, cowering behind your rotating sock puppets.




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Pro Plyd wrote:

Scientific breakthrough: evidence that Neanderthals hunted
giant elephants

You probably don't need to know that butchering does not
equal hunting. They are two separate acts.

Google: "Scavenging"

But...

You being a rocket scientist and brain surgeon, please explain
why you think hunting elephants, if it happened, contradicts
the exploitation of marine resources.





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Only incredible idiots deny H.erectus frequently dived.
Most likely often for shellfish:
- brain size doubled (seafood=brainfood: DHA etc.),

Nowadays we would call it hydrocephalus.

:-DDD
What is such an imbecile doing here??
No doubt a kudu runner! :-D

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JTEM is my hero wrote:

Pro Plyd wrote:

So what if there's a lot of meat. Doesn't aa claim whales
as a meat source?

Scavenged. So you're arguing that you lied, they scavenged
elephants.

Something like a bufflo jump would kill enough to match
the amount of meat from an elephant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_jump

Read the dating.

Says the guy who digs up six year old posts.

Mammoths are believed to have been just as aggressive as
an African elephant.. which of course is more aggressive than
an Asian elephant.

So?

The issue is hunting. Nothing about your putrid meat implies
hunting.

Nothing implies it doesn't.

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Pro Plyd wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_jump

Read the dating.

Says the guy

Read. The. Dating. You fucking mouth breathing piece of shit. Read
your own cite, FOR ONCE IN YOUR USELESS LIFE. Your example
is idiotic. It can't support you. YOUR CITE does not support you.

You simply proved that you lack reading comprehension AGAIN.

This is not therapy. If you need patience and understanding you
desperately need to go somewhere else, you pathetic reject.

Go retread a tire or something... as if you wouldn't fuck that up
as well.






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