• Paper on constraints on the early evolution of the genetic code

    From Ernest Major@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 28 12:23:13 2023
    HT Derek Lowe (In The Pipeline blog)

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.14.495995v2.full.pdf

    I had previously suspected that choice of proteinogenic amino acids was influenced by availability in abiotic media and by selection for
    chemical differences between members of that set. This paper concludes
    that selection for lower solubility and more regular folding was involved.

    --
    alias Ernest Major

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  • From Lawyer Daggett@21:1/5 to Ernest Major on Tue Feb 28 11:57:02 2023
    On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 7:25:13 AM UTC-5, Ernest Major wrote:
    HT Derek Lowe (In The Pipeline blog)

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.14.495995v2.full.pdf

    I had previously suspected that choice of proteinogenic amino acids was influenced by availability in abiotic media and by selection for
    chemical differences between members of that set. This paper concludes
    that selection for lower solubility and more regular folding was involved.

    --
    alias Ernest Major

    Here I was ready to complain about the paper but it's actually pretty good.

    The paper is an interesting one. It explores a few hypotheses about factors that may have driven selection of inclusion and exclusion (and evolutionary selection) of amino acids within the development of the modern canonical Genetic Code.

    Their introduction is somewhat limited in that it relies on an incompletely characterized model for factors that could have contributed to early
    selection. In one simplistic treatment, it seems to consider rather random selection from extant abiotically synthesized molecules to be followed by
    those that were synthesized by a proto-organism.

    This seems to ignore the argument that the selection of L-amino acids
    as part of the code is an indication that the important bioamino acids
    were catalytically synthesized by enantiomerically selective catalysts
    and not from some random pool of non-specific abiotic synthesis (which
    would not have shown a preference for one enantiomer).

    That and a few other complaints aside for now, they did some interesting experiments to show that the amino acids that appear to have been
    early components of the precursor Genetic Code have in common the
    ability to form regular secondary structure (alpha helixes and beta
    sheets) with good packing that would contribute to stable folding.
    This follows our current understanding of a key point of significance
    in protein folding: the collapse of an oily hydrophobic core that 'hides'
    from water. This simultaneously speeds and stabilizes the folding of
    proteins. This 'feels' like a good explanation. An early primitive version
    of the Genetic Code focused on amino acids that were good at generating polymers with good folding propensities.

    One thing I think is lacking is a consideration of the role of the primitive Genetic Code prior to significance of folded proteins. For that, the model
    I like is the role of smaller peptides in stabling RNA and expanding the folding repertoire of ribozymes with peptide stabilizers/co-factors. This
    would have been one of the earliest functions of the most primitive
    translation systems that gave rise to the genetic code, perhaps at the
    stage of 3 to 4 originally encoded amino acids, or 3 to 4 families of closely related amino acids, perhaps not discriminating between Val, Leu, and Ile,
    or between Ser and Thr, or Gln, Glu, Asn and Asp.

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  • From Ernest Major@21:1/5 to Ernest Major on Wed Mar 1 10:17:02 2023
    On 28/02/2023 12:23, Ernest Major wrote:
    HT Derek Lowe (In The Pipeline blog)

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.14.495995v2.full.pdf

    I had previously suspected that choice of proteinogenic amino acids was influenced by availability in abiotic media and by selection for
    chemical differences between members of that set. This paper concludes
    that selection for lower solubility and more regular folding was involved.


    Also relevant to the origin of life, but much earlier in the process, a
    paper on organic materials in an asteroid. Unfortunately paywalled, with
    no alternative give by Unpaywall.

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn9057

    --
    alias Ernest Major

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  • From Abner@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 03:54:04 2023
    An interesting and on-topic paper ... nice! Thank you, Ernest!

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  • From Ernest Major@21:1/5 to Ernest Major on Wed Mar 1 12:02:48 2023
    On 01/03/2023 10:17, Ernest Major wrote:
    On 28/02/2023 12:23, Ernest Major wrote:
    HT Derek Lowe (In The Pipeline blog)

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.14.495995v2.full.pdf

    I had previously suspected that choice of proteinogenic amino acids
    was influenced by availability in abiotic media and by selection for
    chemical differences between members of that set. This paper concludes
    that selection for lower solubility and more regular folding was
    involved.


    Also relevant to the origin of life, but much earlier in the process, a
    paper on organic materials in an asteroid. Unfortunately paywalled, with
    no alternative give by Unpaywall.

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn9057

    It turns out that Derek Lowe has written a summary

    https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/asteroid-organic-chemistry
    --
    alias Ernest Major

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to {$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk on Wed Mar 1 08:42:04 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 12:02:48 +0000, Ernest Major
    <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:

    On 01/03/2023 10:17, Ernest Major wrote:
    On 28/02/2023 12:23, Ernest Major wrote:
    HT Derek Lowe (In The Pipeline blog)

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.14.495995v2.full.pdf

    I had previously suspected that choice of proteinogenic amino acids
    was influenced by availability in abiotic media and by selection for
    chemical differences between members of that set. This paper concludes
    that selection for lower solubility and more regular folding was
    involved.


    Also relevant to the origin of life, but much earlier in the process, a
    paper on organic materials in an asteroid. Unfortunately paywalled, with
    no alternative give by Unpaywall.

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn9057

    It turns out that Derek Lowe has written a summary

    https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/asteroid-organic-chemistry


    The following sounds most useful for abiogenesis-skeptics to note: ****************************
    And there are amino acids. As mentioned yesterday, you always get
    those under such abiotic conditions - the Ryugu material has ten to
    fifteen different ones, including those found in Earthly biology such
    as glycine, alanine, and valine, as well as some of those
    nonbiological ones like alpha (and beta)-aminobutyric acid, norvaline, isovaline, and so on. Those are the very ones addressed in yesterday’s
    post on how we might have ended up with the proteins we have. All of
    the chiral amino acids are in racemic form.
    ********************************

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    You're not entitled to your own facts.

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  • From Lawyer Daggett@21:1/5 to Ernest Major on Wed Mar 1 09:15:48 2023
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 5:20:14 AM UTC-5, Ernest Major wrote:
    On 28/02/2023 12:23, Ernest Major wrote:
    HT Derek Lowe (In The Pipeline blog)

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.14.495995v2.full.pdf

    I had previously suspected that choice of proteinogenic amino acids was influenced by availability in abiotic media and by selection for
    chemical differences between members of that set. This paper concludes that selection for lower solubility and more regular folding was involved.

    Also relevant to the origin of life, but much earlier in the process, a paper on organic materials in an asteroid. Unfortunately paywalled, with
    no alternative give by Unpaywall.

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn9057

    --
    alias Ernest Major

    I'm contrarian on this. Extra-terrestrial synthesis of organic molecules
    is not directly relevant to abiogenesis. Its relevance is limited to the
    fact that these molecules have available synthetic pathways, that they
    are not exceptional.

    What matters to terrestrial abiogenesis is a system of synthetic hypercycles that drive synthesis in situ. It's necessary for the system to keep making
    more or else things are a dead end. And making it in situ in a catalytic
    way is key to solving the challenge of enantiomerically specific monomers
    to be incorporated into polymers.

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Lawyer Daggett on Wed Mar 1 19:17:38 2023
    On 2023-03-01 17:15:48 +0000, Lawyer Daggett said:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 5:20:14 AM UTC-5, Ernest Major wrote:
    On 28/02/2023 12:23, Ernest Major wrote:> > HT Derek Lowe (In The
    Pipeline blog)> >> >
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.14.495995v2.full.pdf>
    I had previously suspected that choice of proteinogenic amino
    acids was> > influenced by availability in abiotic media and by
    selection for> > chemical differences between members of that set. This
    paper concludes> > that selection for lower solubility and more regular
    folding was involved.> >
    Also relevant to the origin of life, but much earlier in the process,
    paper on organic materials in an asteroid. Unfortunately paywalled,
    with> no alternative give by Unpaywall.>>
    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn9057>> --> alias Ernest
    Major

    I'm contrarian on this. Extra-terrestrial synthesis of organic molecules
    is not directly relevant to abiogenesis. Its relevance is limited to the
    fact that these molecules have available synthetic pathways, that they
    are not exceptional.
    What matters to terrestrial abiogenesis is a system of synthetic hypercycles that drive synthesis in situ. It's necessary for the system to keep making more or else things are a dead end. And making it in situ in a catalytic
    way is key to solving the challenge of enantiomerically specific monomers
    to be incorporated into polymers.

    I agree with what you say.


    --
    athel cb : Biochemical Evolution, Garland Science, 2016

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