• The Many Worlds of Quantum Mechanics

    From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 23:32:38 2023
    The following is a link to a 1-hour lecture by Sean Carroll about QM
    and the Everett Interpretation, followed by a 20-minute Q&A:

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgalPdfHxM>

    The following is Carroll's take on some of the problems caused by the Copenhagen Interpretation:
    *************************
    @20:29
    So again, uniquely in the history of physics, we have two rules, two
    sets of rules sorry, to describe quantum mechanics. One set of rules
    for when you're not looking at it. Systems are described by wave
    functions, the wave functions perfectly obey Schrodinger's equation.
    Then when you measure them, a completely new set of rules takes force,
    and again, that never happened before in physics. The wave function
    will collapse to a particular value, it will look particle-like and
    there's a probability that you get different measurement outcomes.

    So this is known as the Copenhagen Interpretation. But people
    disagree about what the Copenhagen interpretation actually says, so I
    just call it the textbook version of quantum mechanics. I'm not
    fooling you, for those of you who are not physicists. This is what we
    teach our students at Johns Hopkins or Caltech or anywhere. This
    is what we tell them about quantum mechanics. If they start asking
    questions, we kick them out [audience laughter].

    Ah hah, you laugh, nervous laughter. The reason why you should be a
    little bit upset about this is because the textbook picture of quantum mechanics is *clearly* unacceptable as a fundamental theory of nature.
    We'd like to think that quantum mechanics is the best most fundamental
    most basic idea we have about how nature works, and yet we tell this
    crazy story about what's going on.

    @21:50
    So let me highlight two ways in which this is unacceptable, and again
    by unacceptable I don't mean false. I just mean clearly not the final
    answer. Clearly there are some questions being left open here.

    So the famous one is the measurement problem. So in those rules for
    quantum mechanics we have "When You observe the system you get certain
    things happening".

    What does that mean? What counts as a measurement? Can a video
    camera measure something? Can a mouse measure something? What about
    a person who needs glasses, and they're not, they don't have their
    glasses on? What if I just squint at the system? How quickly does it
    happen? When does it happen? Why does it involve you know a
    conscious kind of observer? And you can see how a whole book industry
    about Quantum healing and Quantum yoga and Quantum leadership is going
    to spring up in the aftermath of this, because this way of yoga and
    Quantum leadership is going to spring up in the aftermath of this,
    because this way of talking seems to put human agency at the center of
    the universe, in a very non-Copernican way? Though whatever the
    answers are the point is, the Copenhagen interpretation doesn't tell
    us what the answers are. And that is too vague to be the final answer
    to a theory of fundamental physics.

    @23:06
    Then there is the reality problem, which different people also have
    different angles on. So we talk about the wave, the electron wave, or
    the wave function, as we call it in the post-Schrodinger era.

    What is that? Is it a real thing? Like an electromagnetic wave, it's
    a real thing. You can measure it. You can put a little magnetometer
    or a charge, and you could measure where the electric field magnetic
    field are pointing. But we said you can't measure, you can't observe
    the wave function. It's never what you see. Is it real? Or is it
    just a way of making predictions about reality?

    And you can see how it's going even further in the spooky woo-woo
    directions. It's almost like we're bringing reality into existence by
    thinking about it, or looking at it, or other bad things that lead to
    bad movies and and bad TV shows, okay?

    But it should be science. So we should think about this, and we
    should be able to answer these questions. Let's think about the
    reality. But let me admit that for all these questions, not everyone
    agrees.

    @24:06
    So I wrote a op-ed piece for the New York Times where I say
    "Nobody understands quantum mechanics and that's a problem". And I
    expected at least a few of my colleagues to email me saying "What do
    you mean? I understand quantum mechanics." And I was pleasantly
    surprised it was only one colleague who did email me about that. But
    the point is that people don't agree within the field. So even if one
    of us is right there is no consensus among physicists about the
    answers to these questions.

    So from that, from to this point, to this in the talk I've been saying
    things that are true. I hope I'll be saying things true in the
    future, but I'm going to be more opinionated. I'm going to give you
    my angle on it. It needs to be a six lecture series for me to give
    you everybody else's angle on it, so you can invite them to give you
    their pictures.
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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to jillery on Sun Jan 15 10:55:48 2023
    On 1/14/2023 11:32 PM, jillery wrote:
    the Everett Interpretation

    has no 100% probability worlds

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 15 09:38:51 2023
    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 10:55:48 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>:

    On 1/14/2023 11:32 PM, jillery wrote:
    the Everett Interpretation

    has no 100% probability worlds

    And water is wet. Do you have a point?

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    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to Dale on Mon Jan 16 11:42:52 2023
    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 10:55:48 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:

    On 1/14/2023 11:32 PM, jillery wrote:
    the Everett Interpretation

    has no 100% probability worlds


    What interpretation claims that any world is certain?

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to jillery on Mon Jan 16 12:37:38 2023
    On 1/16/2023 11:42 AM, jillery wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 10:55:48 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:


    On 1/14/2023 11:32 PM, jillery wrote:
    the Everett Interpretation


    has no 100% probability worlds


    What interpretation claims that any world is certain?


    God is determinism

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to Dale on Mon Jan 16 14:02:14 2023
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:37:38 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:

    On 1/16/2023 11:42 AM, jillery wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 10:55:48 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:


    On 1/14/2023 11:32 PM, jillery wrote:
    the Everett Interpretation


    has no 100% probability worlds


    What interpretation claims that any world is certain?


    God is determinism.


    God is not an interpretation.

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 16 11:36:48 2023
    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 09:38:51 -0700, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>:

    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 10:55:48 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>:

    On 1/14/2023 11:32 PM, jillery wrote:
    the Everett Interpretation

    has no 100% probability worlds

    And water is wet. Do you have a point?

    [Silence]

    So, no point? OK.

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to jillery on Mon Jan 16 17:07:14 2023
    On 1/16/2023 2:02 PM, jillery wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:37:38 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:


    On 1/16/2023 11:42 AM, jillery wrote:


    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 10:55:48 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:



    On 1/14/2023 11:32 PM, jillery wrote:
    the Everett Interpretation



    has no 100% probability worlds



    What interpretation claims that any world is certain?



    God is determinism.



    God is not an interpretation.


    logic and set theory imply Pantheism

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Mon Jan 16 20:56:33 2023
    On 1/16/2023 1:36 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 09:38:51 -0700, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>:

    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 10:55:48 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>:

    On 1/14/2023 11:32 PM, jillery wrote:
    the Everett Interpretation

    has no 100% probability worlds

    And water is wet. Do you have a point?



    [Silence]

    So, no point? OK.


    ok ...

    determinism is a point

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 16 18:36:06 2023
    Bob Casanova wrote:

    [...]

    Here. It's 2:03 so maybe it can survive even your attention span.

    Darwin was a stupid jackwad. "Common Descend," the actual topic
    he was misunderstanding, was already very old before he made the
    mistake of tackling it, and "Evolution" had always been a part of it.

    Always.

    HINT: If a goat and a whale share a common ancestor than obviously
    one or both EVOLVED since that time -- EVOLUTION.

    Now let's look at the Many Worlds or Multiverse:

    It's part of Einstein's works, just as evolution was part of Common
    Descent. Einstein first proposed it only, like Darwin, he didn't use the
    magic word.

    Darwin said "Transmutation of Species" until some of his betters got
    him to say "Evolution" instead. Einstein didn't say "Multiverse" or "Many Worlds," he said "Simultaneity."




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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to Dale on Mon Jan 16 23:05:06 2023
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 17:07:14 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:

    On 1/16/2023 2:02 PM, jillery wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:37:38 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:


    On 1/16/2023 11:42 AM, jillery wrote:


    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 10:55:48 -0500, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:



    On 1/14/2023 11:32 PM, jillery wrote:
    the Everett Interpretation



    has no 100% probability worlds



    What interpretation claims that any world is certain?



    God is determinism.



    God is not an interpretation.


    logic and set theory imply Pantheism


    Of course it does, because Dale.

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to JTEM on Mon Jan 16 23:05:22 2023
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 18:36:06 -0800 (PST), JTEM wrote:

    Here. It's 2:03 so maybe it can survive even your attention span.

    Darwin was a stupid jackwad. "Common Descend," the actual topic
    he was misunderstanding, was already very old before he made the
    mistake of tackling it, and "Evolution" had always been a part of it.

    Always.

    HINT: If a goat and a whale share a common ancestor than obviously
    one or both EVOLVED since that time -- EVOLUTION.

    Now let's look at the Many Worlds or Multiverse:

    It's part of Einstein's works, just as evolution was part of Common
    Descent. Einstein first proposed it only, like Darwin, he didn't use the >magic word.

    Darwin said "Transmutation of Species" until some of his betters got
    him to say "Evolution" instead. Einstein didn't say "Multiverse" or "Many >Worlds," he said "Simultaneity."


    Technobabble. Simultaneity doesn't inform MWI.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Mon Jan 16 20:40:27 2023
    jillery wrote:

    Darwin said "Transmutation of Species" until some of his betters got
    him to say "Evolution" instead. Einstein didn't say "Multiverse" or "Many >Worlds," he said "Simultaneity."

    Technobabble. Simultaneity doesn't inform MWI.

    It is exactly the Multiverse or "Many Worlds." BOTH observations are correct:

    Two different realities.

    The real beauty here is the claim, by many sources, that Simultaneity is scientifically confirmed. Which /Implies/ that the Multiverse is confirmed, but only indirectly as far as I know. It CAN be tested directly, as least theoretically, which makes it a legitimate scientific hypothesis.





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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to jtem01@gmail.com on Tue Jan 17 01:45:28 2023
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:40:27 -0800 (PST), JTEM is my hero
    <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

    jillery wrote:

    Darwin said "Transmutation of Species" until some of his betters got
    him to say "Evolution" instead. Einstein didn't say "Multiverse" or "Many >> >Worlds," he said "Simultaneity."

    Technobabble. Simultaneity doesn't inform MWI.

    It is exactly the Multiverse or "Many Worlds." BOTH observations are correct:


    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity#Relativity_of_simultaneity>

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation>


    That both observations are correct doesn't inform your claim.


    Two different realities.


    ... neither of which informs the other.


    The real beauty here is the claim, by many sources, that Simultaneity is >scientifically confirmed. Which /Implies/ that the Multiverse is confirmed, >but only indirectly as far as I know. It CAN be tested directly, as least >theoretically, which makes it a legitimate scientific hypothesis.


    Your argument above is equivalent to saying that 2+2=4 confirms The
    Declaration of Independence aka technobabble.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Tue Jan 17 09:06:51 2023
    jillery wrote:

    That both observations are correct doesn't inform your claim.

    Wow. You're fucked up!

    "So two versions of reality, BOTH are correct, but that doesn't mean
    that there's more than one reality!"

    You genuinely don't grasp the issues you raise, it's not just an act...





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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 14:03:08 2023
    On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 09:06:51 -0800 (PST), JTEM trolled:

    jillery wrote:

    That both observations are correct doesn't inform your claim.

    Wow. You're fucked up!

    "So two versions of reality, BOTH are correct, but that doesn't mean
    that there's more than one reality!"


    That's right, it means there's more than one description of reality:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant>


    You genuinely don't grasp the issues you raise, it's not just an act...


    Sez the willfully stupid troll.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Tue Jan 17 12:08:20 2023
    jillery wrote:

    "So two versions of reality, BOTH are correct, but that doesn't mean
    that there's more than one reality!"

    That's right, it means there's more than one description of reality:

    No. More than one reality: The Multiverse.





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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 23:25:01 2023
    On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 12:08:20 -0800 (PST), JTEM spammed:


    No. More than one reality: The Multiverse...


    ...which has nothing to do with Simultaneity.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Wed Jan 18 13:45:03 2023
    jillery wrote:

    ...which has nothing to do with Simultaneity.

    No. You're just a fraud. Regardless of alter, regardless of how different
    you try to make your personalities, you're still the idiot fraud.

    Simultaneity insists that multiple realities -- multiple versions of the universe -- can and do exists. This *Is* the Multiverse.

    You're just too stupid to see it...

    "But... but... BUT HE DIDN'T USE THE MAGIC WORD!"




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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 18 23:02:19 2023
    On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 13:45:03 -0800 (PST), JTEM trolled:

    jillery wrote:

    <relevant citations restored>

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity> **************************************
    In physics, the relativity of simultaneity is the concept that distant simultaneity – whether two spatially separated events occur at the
    same time – is not absolute, but depends on the observer's reference
    frame.
    **************************************

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation> *************************************
    The many-worlds interpretation (MWI) is an interpretation of quantum
    mechanics that asserts that the universal wavefunction is objectively
    real, and that there is no wave function collapse. This implies that
    all possible outcomes of quantum measurements are physically realized
    in some "world" or universe.
    ************************************

    Neither Simultaneity nor MWI informs the other.


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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Thu Jan 19 06:15:27 2023
    jillery wrote:

    In physics, the relativity of simultaneity is the concept that distant simultaneity – whether two spatially separated events occur at the
    same time – is not absolute, but depends on the observer's reference frame.

    So there's literally more than one version of reality. Honey drops, that
    IS the Multiverse!

    The many-worlds interpretation (MWI) is

    There's more than one. Can't say I'm surprised that a fraud like you
    didn't know this.





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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to jtem01@gmail.com on Thu Jan 19 12:56:16 2023
    On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 06:15:27 -0800 (PST), JTEM is my hero
    <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:


    [Wikipedia] wrote:

    In physics, the relativity of simultaneity is the concept that distant
    simultaneity – whether two spatially separated events occur at the
    same time – is not absolute, but depends on the observer's reference
    frame.

    So there's literally more than one version of reality.


    Incorrect. You conflate reality with perceptions. They are not the
    same. This is a common problem among willfully stupid trolls.

    Einstein's relativity of simultaneity says there is no preferred
    inertial frame of reference with respect to time. This is analogous
    to Galileo's relativity of motion, which says there is no preferred
    inertial frame of reference with respect to speed. Both concepts show
    the universe behaves independently of our subjective perceptions of it
    aka one universe aka not multiverse.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Thu Jan 19 10:46:01 2023
    jillery wrote:

    Einstein's relativity of simultaneity says there is no preferred
    inertial frame of reference with respect to time. This is analogous
    to Galileo's relativity of motion, which says there is no preferred
    inertial frame of reference with respect to speed. Both concepts show
    the universe behaves independently of our subjective perceptions of it
    aka one universe aka not multiverse.

    No, you shit head, this is NOT the same as "It looks orange to me, red to
    you." Einstein is saying that BOTH frames of reference are correct, that
    the lightening bolts really did strike one after the other AND they really
    did strike simultaneously: Two versions of reality.. two versions of the universe.

    It is the Multiverse even if that pathetic fraud of a mind thinks it can
    cherry pick one and only one version of the concept and pretend it's
    the only one.

    "The Multiverse" isn't "Different" universes. It's one universe, the same universe, only it's in all the potential ("Potential") states at once.





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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 20 04:10:31 2023
    On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 10:46:01 -0800 (PST), JTEM trolled:

    jillery wrote:

    Einstein's relativity of simultaneity says there is no preferred
    inertial frame of reference with respect to time. This is analogous
    to Galileo's relativity of motion, which says there is no preferred
    inertial frame of reference with respect to speed. Both concepts show
    the universe behaves independently of our subjective perceptions of it
    aka one universe aka not multiverse.

    No, you shit head, this is NOT the same as "It looks orange to me, red to >you."


    You conflate different meanings of "perception". This has nothing to
    do with personal opinions, but with what is observed within a given
    inertial frame. The same results would be obtained with cameras in
    different locations moving at different speeds.


    Einstein is saying that BOTH frames of reference are correct,


    ... within those reference frames...


    that the lightening bolts really did strike one after the other AND they really
    did strike simultaneously:


    That's *not* what Einstein said. You know you can't prove me wrong.


    Two versions of reality.. two versions of the universe.


    The sky is dark at midnight and bright at noon. Even though your
    perceptions differ, it's still the same version of reality of the same
    single universe.


    It is the Multiverse even if that pathetic fraud of a mind thinks it can >cherry pick one and only one version of the concept and pretend it's
    the only one.


    Your stupid strawmen help your case as much as your mindless insults.


    "The Multiverse" isn't "Different" universes. It's one universe, the same >universe, only it's in all the potential ("Potential") states at once.


    That depends on which meaning of multiverse you use. There are at
    least four:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse>

    Pick your poison.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Fri Jan 20 23:10:02 2023
    jillery wrote:

    You conflate different meanings of "perception".

    I'm rejecting the use of the word entirely. If there is literally no
    other word you can use, the problem here is obviously you.

    This has nothing to
    do with personal opinions, but with what is observed within a given
    inertial frame. The same results would be obtained with cameras in
    different locations moving at different speeds.

    So it's reality. Two different realities... two distinct versions of the universe... one where the result was {X} and another where the
    result was {Y}.

    The Multiverse.

    that the lightening bolts really did strike one after the other AND they really
    did strike simultaneously:

    That's *not* what Einstein said.

    Of course it's what he said: BOTH observers are correct. This is what he
    says.

    The sky is dark at midnight and bright at noon. Even though your
    perceptions differ, it's still the same version of reality of the same
    single universe.

    Now you're saying that Einstein is full of shit, that things can /Look/ different to two different people but they're really the same.

    You're too emotionally strangled to keep track of what you think your
    position is!





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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 21 03:55:09 2023
    On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 23:10:02 -0800 (PST), JTEM trolled:

    that the lightening bolts really did strike one after the other AND they really
    did strike simultaneously:

    That's *not* what Einstein said.

    Of course it's what he said: BOTH observers are correct. This is what he >says.


    Your previous version of what you said Einstein said, means something
    very different from your last version.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Sat Jan 21 01:16:46 2023
    jillery wrote:

    Your

    Goddamn! You just keep doubling down on your idiocy...

    So your, um, your "Condition" doesn't do subtle. Einstein didn't
    spell out the Multiverse -- or only spelled it out 10x more
    clearly than Common Descent spelled out evolution -- so it's
    invisible to you.

    Don't matter. It's there.

    Einstein didn't claim that things merely /Looked/ different for
    the two observers, he said that they /Were/ different. That, BOTH
    observers are correct. That, yes, MULTIPLE versions of the universe
    existed.

    One observers sees two lightening bolts hit at the same time AND
    HE'S RIGHT while the other sees one hit first and then the other,
    AND HE'S RIGHT.




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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 22 03:17:09 2023
    On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 01:16:46 -0800 (PST), JTEM trolled:


    Goddamn! You just keep doubling down on your idiocy...


    Sez the willfully stupid troll.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Sun Jan 22 01:24:43 2023
    jillery wrote:

    Sez

    You're just going to keep having episodes, stressing yourself, trying to understand these things. Einstein was describing a Multiverse even if
    you're too stupid to figure it out... even after it's been spelled out for
    you a number of times.

    There's no point in you continuing too degrade yourself. Switch handles,
    say more stupid things and at least you'll look popular.





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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 23 00:30:50 2023
    On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 01:24:43 -0800 (PST), JTEM trolled:


    You're just going to keep having episodes,


    Sez the self-parody poster.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Mon Jan 23 19:44:00 2023
    jillery wrote:

    Sez the

    You know life is far more interesting if you accept reality. Einstein did describe a Multiverse. And that's fascinating. And it's testable, at least
    in theory. And you turn your back on all that because you're an emotional basket case and, well, and that's pretty much it.




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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to jtem01@gmail.com on Tue Jan 24 03:31:24 2023
    On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:44:00 -0800 (PST), JTEM is my hero
    <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:


    You know life is far more interesting if you accept reality.


    You first.


    Einstein did describe a Multiverse.


    Cite an authority, that means not you, who says Einstein's relativity
    of simultaneity describes a multiverse. Good luck with that.

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  • From IDentity@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 28 16:33:04 2023
    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 23:32:38 -0500, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    The fact that there are so many versions of quantum theory indicates
    that no one really knows the basic facts, which are very simple.
    Instead you are met with extremelty complex formula which are supposed
    to explain something but which mostly have nothing to do with reality,
    which is a general problem. The established ideas of current science
    are fundamentally distorted which is why there are so many unanswered
    questions and - sometimes totally absurd - theories about this and
    that.

    Niels Bohr was close to the tuth with his fascination with TAOism
    which obviously gave him som great insights, but unfortunately no one
    seemed to follow up on that one after his death, for the true
    fundamental principles of science can be found there, although not
    easily digestible for minds confused by the many distorted ideas of
    current science.

    E.g., science today operates with four fundamental forces. In fact,
    there is only and can only be one force, all other socalled forces are
    the same force manifesting itself in different contexts. This will be
    obvious when the simple fundamental principles of the universe are
    fully understood.

    Already in the beginning of the previous century Walter Russell
    presented the world with a complete and very detailed science which is basically a modern scientfic translation of the universal TAO
    principles.

    The fact that Russell, with this science, correctly predicted the
    existence of the hydrogen isotopes (which actually, correctly defined,
    aren't isotopes, but primary elements), as well as several other then undiscovered elements (plus some yet not discovered), years before
    science verified their existence eksperimentally, says something about
    the power of that science. All his works are full of such marvelous discoveries and insights, and he verified many of his unusual claims experimentally.

    He even delivered the GUT which science is still looking for, on a
    silver platter, but only Tesla and a few others at that time who were
    capable of understanding this science, recognized it. Tesla actually
    told Russell that he would have to seal his knowledge in a sepulchre
    with instructions that it be opened in a thousands years when human intelligence had enfolded far enough to be ready to accept it.

    A quote from the book "Atomic Suicide" about Russells science:

    "A number of distinguished scientists of great vision were deeply
    impressed, and partially convinced, but felt that tradition was too
    deeply rooted to allow for such a change."

    Such unscientific attitudes are the reason that science is still in a
    sad state of ignorance and confusion. It could have been 100 years
    ahead of what it is today and saved humanity a lot of trouble if not
    for such detrimental human attitudes.

    Russell was originally not a scientist but a poet and artist btw, but
    he fulfilled the prophesy of the great physicist Sir Oliver Lodge:

    "If in the coming centuries the great cosmic secret was ever revealed
    to man, its discovery would not come from the trained scientific Mind
    but would be the supreme vision of some poet, painter, philosopher, or
    saint who could see the universe as a whole."

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Wed Feb 22 23:07:03 2023
    jillery wrote:

    Cite an authority, that

    It's not my job to educate normal children, much less Autistic ones
    like you.

    Einstein describes a Multiverse, and that Multiverse is testable. Your inability to grasp any of this is amusing but not much else. Well,
    nothing else.

    Don't accept reality. Fine. it's not like my opinion of you can sink any lower...




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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to IDentity on Wed Feb 22 23:04:48 2023
    IDentity wrote:

    The fact that there are so many versions of quantum theory indicates
    that no one really knows the basic facts,

    Wow, another "Jillary" node...

    The Multiverse is testable. This elevates it beyond an idea and to the
    status of a hypothesis. A scientific theory, as you don't know, is nothing
    more than a hypothesis that is accepted -- usually because it withstood
    the test of time or because it's just so good at explaining things.





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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to jtem01@gmail.com on Thu Feb 23 02:25:06 2023
    On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 23:07:03 -0800 (PST), JTEM is my hero
    <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

    jillery wrote:

    Cite an authority

    It's not my job


    Quelle surprise.


    Einstein describes a Multiverse, and that Multiverse is testable.


    Then it's a good thing testing isn't your job.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 24 13:52:53 2023
    jillery wrote:

    [...]

    PERSPECTIVE

    "The Autistic spazz posting as jillery is claiming that Einstein
    won a Nobel Prize because, amongst other things, he figured
    out that sometimes things can /Look/ different to different
    people, even though they're the same thing. Like how one
    person might see a dress and think it's green while another
    says it's blue."

    Yeah, you're all kinds of FUCKED IN THE HEAD, aren't you?

    Einstein described a Multiverse. It wasn't about appearances,
    it was about reality: Two observer see something different
    and they are both correct, what they believe to be seeing is
    real, it's not just perception.





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