• Flock of Dodos Pulled Punches

    From RonO@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 12 05:43:35 2023
    https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/Yx3GaDek98M

    This is an archived version of the youtube video that the makers of
    Flock of Dodos: the Evolution-intelligent Design Circus. This is some
    of the out takes that were not put into the original video because they
    would have made the ID perps look as bad as they actually are, and that
    would have appeared to be a negative bias on the part of the
    documentary. It is what I had to do when I put up the "By their fruits" thread. I would just take the first post that I found for the
    creationist posters, but if the post reflected too negatively on that
    poster I would just go to the next one, so that it wouldn't look like I
    was cherry picking. All I needed the post for was so that you could
    access Google groups posts and at the time they had a feature where you
    could pull up all the posts from that poster for several years. Anyone
    could have read all the posts from those posters that they could have
    stood to read.

    At the end of this video Jillery might get a partial answer as to why
    Behe has participated in the bait and switch scam that the ID perps have
    been running on the hapless creationist rubes for over 20 years. Behe
    just doesn't care.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to Ron O on Thu Jan 12 14:20:47 2023
    Ron O wrote:

    https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/Yx3GaDek98M

    This is an archived version of the youtube video that the makers of
    Flock of Dodos: the Evolution-intelligent Design Circus. This is some
    of the out takes that were not put into the original video because they
    would have made the ID perps look as bad as they actually are, and that
    would have appeared to be a negative bias on the part of the
    documentary.

    The movie is a powerful lesson on the influence of politics on science.
    The grant process, funding, yes, but "Science" in general.

    Watch it and you know why Gwobull Warbling is evil.

    Watch it and you can grasp why the rape of science labelled as
    "Paleo anthropology" is so evil.





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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to RonO on Sat Jan 14 03:20:11 2023
    On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 05:43:35 -0600, RonO <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:

    https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/Yx3GaDek98M

    This is an archived version of the youtube video that the makers of
    Flock of Dodos: the Evolution-intelligent Design Circus. This is some
    of the out takes that were not put into the original video because they >would have made the ID perps look as bad as they actually are, and that >would have appeared to be a negative bias on the part of the
    documentary. It is what I had to do when I put up the "By their fruits" >thread. I would just take the first post that I found for the
    creationist posters, but if the post reflected too negatively on that
    poster I would just go to the next one, so that it wouldn't look like I
    was cherry picking. All I needed the post for was so that you could
    access Google groups posts and at the time they had a feature where you >could pull up all the posts from that poster for several years. Anyone >could have read all the posts from those posters that they could have
    stood to read.

    At the end of this video Jillery might get a partial answer as to why
    Behe has participated in the bait and switch scam that the ID perps have >been running on the hapless creationist rubes for over 20 years. Behe
    just doesn't care.

    Ron Okimoto


    jillery has a plausible hypothesis for why Behe participates in the
    bait and switch scam. However, jillery is not particularly concerned
    about Behe's motives, as I don't know him personally.

    What jillery is concerned about is when Behe says he accepts X, but
    then asserts claims that are unambiguously contradictory to the
    standard meaning of X. The incoherence between Behe's statements wrt
    what he says he means and about what he asserts are facts, is a major
    cause of confusion among his fellow cdesign proponentsists.

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  • From Gary Hurd@21:1/5 to Ron O on Sat Jan 14 09:12:10 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:45:48 AM UTC-8, Ron O wrote:
    https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/Yx3GaDek98M

    This is an archived version of the youtube video that the makers of
    Flock of Dodos: the Evolution-intelligent Design Circus. This is some
    of the out takes that were not put into the original video because they
    would have made the ID perps look as bad as they actually are, and that
    would have appeared to be a negative bias on the part of the
    documentary. It is what I had to do when I put up the "By their fruits" thread. I would just take the first post that I found for the
    creationist posters, but if the post reflected too negatively on that
    poster I would just go to the next one, so that it wouldn't look like I
    was cherry picking. All I needed the post for was so that you could
    access Google groups posts and at the time they had a feature where you
    could pull up all the posts from that poster for several years. Anyone
    could have read all the posts from those posters that they could have
    stood to read.

    At the end of this video Jillery might get a partial answer as to why
    Behe has participated in the bait and switch scam that the ID perps have
    been running on the hapless creationist rubes for over 20 years. Behe
    just doesn't care.

    Ron Okimoto


    Thanks for the link.

    I found the date Behe was interviewed, July 28, 2005 interesting. It was not long before his disaster on the witness stand for the ID creationists in the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Sat Jan 14 18:26:35 2023
    jillery wrote:

    jillery has a plausible hypothesis for why Behe participates in the
    bait and switch scam. However, jillery is not particularly concerned
    about Behe's motives, as I don't know him personally.

    What jillery is concerned about is when Behe says he accepts X, but
    then asserts claims that are unambiguously contradictory to the
    standard meaning of X. The incoherence between Behe's statements wrt
    what he says he means and about what he asserts are facts, is a major
    cause of confusion among his fellow cdesign proponentsists.

    Wow. So "Scientific" people try to watch a film but can only see themselves.






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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to JTEM on Sat Jan 14 23:33:25 2023
    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 18:26:35 -0800 (PST), JTEM wrote:


    Wow. So "Scientific" people try to watch a film but can only see themselves.


    Whatever you mean, it sounds better than constantly spamming parodies
    of yourself.

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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Sat Jan 14 23:44:50 2023
    jillery wrote:

    Whatever you mean, it sounds better than constantly spamming parodies
    of yourself.

    Lol! I love how you parrot the words thrown at you, like it was them, the words, and not your idiocy that made you look like an idiot!

    HINT: There are flat earthers. There are people who believe all sort of
    crazy things -- take your belief in relevance, for example -- and none of
    those things threatened science, threatened education, hijacked the
    political system and the ruling party. So you can pretend that the only
    problem in the film was Intelligent Design proponents or you can wake
    up and accept the fact that your five minutes of glory, back during the
    Dubya Bush years, is long gone and left all the flaws within the system
    in place.





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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 15 07:42:01 2023
    The following trifecta of willful stupidity, paranoia, and delusions
    brought to you by someone who claims relevance crazy.


    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 23:44:50 -0800 (PST), JTEM spammed:

    Lol! I love how you parrot the words thrown at you, like it was them, the >words, and not your idiocy that made you look like an idiot!

    HINT: There are flat earthers. There are people who believe all sort of >crazy things -- take your belief in relevance, for example -- and none of >those things threatened science, threatened education, hijacked the
    political system and the ruling party. So you can pretend that the only >problem in the film was Intelligent Design proponents or you can wake
    up and accept the fact that your five minutes of glory, back during the
    Dubya Bush years, is long gone and left all the flaws within the system
    in place.


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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Sun Jan 15 13:37:32 2023
    jillery wrote:

    The following trifecta of willful stupidity, paranoia, and delusions

    Again, STOP parroting the words people threw at you! It wasn't the
    words, it wasn't that they turned a clever phrase that made you
    look like such an idiot, it was your idiocy.

    The Bush era is gone. Your glory days of "Slaying the Intelligent
    Design" proponents is far in the past. But everything that allowed
    those Intelligent Design proponents to to rise so high, get into the
    classrooms and the textbooks, control the grant system is still in
    place, still exactly as political. You could only see it when it clashed
    with what you want to believe.

    The real lesson was lost on you. Again; you may have watched the
    film but you only saw yourself.






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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 16 11:08:16 2023
    The following trifecta of willful stupidity, paranoia, and delusions
    brought to you by someone who claims relevance crazy.


    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 23:44:50 -0800 (PST), JTEM spammed:

    Lol! I love how you parrot the words thrown at you, like it was them, the >words, and not your idiocy that made you look like an idiot!

    HINT: There are flat earthers. There are people who believe all sort of >crazy things -- take your belief in relevance, for example -- and none of >those things threatened science, threatened education, hijacked the
    political system and the ruling party. So you can pretend that the only >problem in the film was Intelligent Design proponents or you can wake
    up and accept the fact that your five minutes of glory, back during the
    Dubya Bush years, is long gone and left all the flaws within the system
    in place.


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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 16 12:54:26 2023
    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 13:37:32 -0800 (PST), JTEM spammed:

    jillery wrote:

    The following trifecta of willful stupidity, paranoia, and delusions

    Again, STOP parroting the words people threw at you!


    You first, troll.


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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to jillery on Mon Jan 16 14:35:28 2023
    jillery wrote:

    The following trifecta of

    Wow. The exact same behavior -- OCD -- coming from two supposedly
    different sock puppets. I am ever so surprised. Gosh. Really surprised.

    The glory days under Dubya Bush are over. Stop trying to re-live your
    one victory, even pretending that it was in fact your victory instead of
    people a shit ton smarter than you.

    You watched the film but saw only yourself. As per your usual.




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  • From JTEM is my hero@21:1/5 to Hiding behind a sock puppet they ca on Mon Jan 16 14:38:39 2023
    Hiding behind a sock puppet they call jillery wrote:

    JTEM enlightened me thus:
    Again, STOP parroting the words people threw at you!

    You first, troll.

    Another Irony Meter shattered...

    So having already given you an answer, and knowing that you are
    as intellectually mangled as you are emotionally twisted, what
    lessons from "A Flock of Dodos" can you apply to science RIGHT
    NOW. The present.

    You're pretending to be sane, and not an idiot, so answer.

    (Psst. You can't)





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