On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 20:42:59 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:

israel socratus <socratus1944@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote:
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Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason?
----------------------

Certainly.
Caterpillar becoming butterfly is by far the most likely outcome
of zillions of microscopic processes inside,

Yes, design when it's best.

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On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus <socratus1944@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

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Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason?
----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

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On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus <socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason?
----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

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On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus <socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason?
----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

William Hyde

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On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 19:59:09 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com>:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason?
----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

I think you *may* have neglected something in there... :-)

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:00:10 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus <socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason?
----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

William Hyde

-------
burning calories is an internal process, not an external one
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On 1/30/23 8:06 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 19:59:09 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com>:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote: >>>>>>
-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason? >>>>>>> ----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

I think you *may* have neglected something in there... :-)

That should work, provided you burn the first thousand just before they
pupate. Of course, that measures the calories consumed only during
pupation. If you want to measure calories over the whole lifespan of
the caterpillar, you must also measure the heat in the food they consume
and the frass they generate.

As I recall, an adult silk moth is a quarter or less of the size of the caterpillar it came from. In that case, though, there have been
centuries of domestic breeding to turn the calories into silk rather
than into adult moths.

--
Mark Isaak
"Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That
doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell

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On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:35:10 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:00:10 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus <socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote: >>
-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason? >> >----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

William Hyde

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burning calories is an internal process, not an external one

Energy is conserved.

But if you wish you can do other things, like keeping the pupae in a calorimeter and taking careful
measurements.

But don't let it be done in a university with a big football team.

William Hyde

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On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 14:24:54 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Mark Isaak
<specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net>:

On 1/30/23 8:06 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 19:59:09 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com>:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote: >>>>>>>
-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason? >>>>>>>> ----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

I think you *may* have neglected something in there... :-)

That should work, provided you burn the first thousand just before they >pupate. Of course, that measures the calories consumed only during
pupation. If you want to measure calories over the whole lifespan of
the caterpillar, you must also measure the heat in the food they consume
and the frass they generate.

Pretty much my point about "something neglected"... :-)

As I recall, an adult silk moth is a quarter or less of the size of the >caterpillar it came from. In that case, though, there have been
centuries of domestic breeding to turn the calories into silk rather
than into adult moths.

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 00:33:08 -0800 (PST), israel socratus <socratus1944@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:00:10 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote: >> > On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote: >> > > >>
-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason? >> > > >> >----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

William Hyde

-------
burning calories is an internal process, not an external one

Do you understand that burning calories is a thermodynamic process,
whether internal or external?

--
You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

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On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 11:00:10 PM UTC-5, William Hyde wrote:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus <socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason?
----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

William Hyde

I was happy to see the correct answer.

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On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:45:10 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 00:33:08 -0800 (PST), israel socratus <socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:00:10 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote: >> > > >>
-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason? >> > > >> >----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

William Hyde

-------
burning calories is an internal process, not an external one

Do you understand that burning calories is a thermodynamic process,
whether internal or external?
--

---------------
thermodynamic process depends on physical state of system
(internal- burning calories or external-burning two thousand caterpillars)
and therefore has different result
(depends on the function of pressure and temperature)

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On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 13:45:10 UTC+2, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:45:10 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 00:33:08 -0800 (PST), israel socratus <socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:00:10 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason?
----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

William Hyde

-------
burning calories is an internal process, not an external one

Do you understand that burning calories is a thermodynamic process,
whether internal or external?
--

---------------
thermodynamic process depends on physical state of system
(internal- burning calories or external-burning two thousand caterpillars) and therefore has different result
(depends on the function of pressure and temperature)

Energy that caterpillars use is mostly from burning blood sugar with clycolysis. The clycolysis can't get magically more chemical energy out
of clucose than it contains so the experiment proposed was correct.

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On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:45:10 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:45:10 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 00:33:08 -0800 (PST), israel socratus <socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:00:10 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason?
----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

William Hyde

-------
burning calories is an internal process, not an external one

Do you understand that burning calories is a thermodynamic process,
whether internal or external?
--

---------------
thermodynamic process depends on physical state of system
(internal- burning calories or external-burning two thousand caterpillars) and therefore has different result
(depends on the function of pressure and temperature)

Look up thermodynamic cycle and pay attention to pathway independence.
That's the way to understand why you are misunderstanding how to
evaluate the state variables involved. The chemistry and/or physics involved
is covered in a decent high school course in either discipline.

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On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:25:10 AM UTC-5, oot...@hot.ee wrote:

On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 13:45:10 UTC+2, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:45:10 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 00:33:08 -0800 (PST), israel socratus <socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:00:10 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote: >> > > On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus

<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason?
----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

William Hyde

-------
burning calories is an internal process, not an external one

Do you understand that burning calories is a thermodynamic process, whether internal or external?
--

---------------
thermodynamic process depends on physical state of system
(internal- burning calories or external-burning two thousand caterpillars) and therefore has different result
(depends on the function of pressure and temperature)

Energy that caterpillars use is mostly from burning blood sugar with clycolysis. The clycolysis can't get magically more chemical energy out
of clucose than it contains so the experiment proposed was correct.

cylocose?

By the way, a caterpillar preparing to pupate keeps most of its energy
reserves as fat, not glucose or other sugars. Fat stores more energy
per gram.

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On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 05:23:26 -0800 (PST), Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 13:45:10 UTC+2, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:45:10 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 00:33:08 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:00:10 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote: >> > >> > > On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus

<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason?
----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

William Hyde

-------
burning calories is an internal process, not an external one

Do you understand that burning calories is a thermodynamic process,
whether internal or external?
--

---------------
thermodynamic process depends on physical state of system
(internal- burning calories or external-burning two thousand caterpillars) >> and therefore has different result
(depends on the function of pressure and temperature)

Energy that caterpillars use is mostly from burning blood sugar with >clycolysis. The clycolysis can't get magically more chemical energy out
of clucose than it contains so the experiment proposed was correct.

Perhaps Socrates could use glucose to get a calorie, and clusose to
get a clue 8-}

--
You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

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On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 03:40:14 -0800 (PST), israel socratus <socratus1944@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:45:10 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 00:33:08 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:00:10 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

-----------
Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason?
----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
-------------

What math do you use when you're hungry?
---------------

Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn them. Repeat.

William Hyde

-------
burning calories is an internal process, not an external one

Do you understand that burning calories is a thermodynamic process,
whether internal or external?
--

---------------
thermodynamic process depends on physical state of system
(internal- burning calories or external-burning two thousand caterpillars) >and therefore has different result
(depends on the function of pressure and temperature)

An internal combustion gasoline engine, an external combustion steam
engine, a caterpillar burning glucose, a scientist burning 1000
caterpillars, a scientist eating an apple, an apple turning brown on a
shelf; all create heat by "burning" aka oxidation that can be counted
in calories.

--
You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

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On 2023-02-01 13:23:26 +0000, Öö Tiib said:

On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 13:45:10 UTC+2, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:45:10 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 00:33:08 -0800 (PST), israel socratus
<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:00:10 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote: >>>>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-5, socrat...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:50:07 PM UTC+2, IDentity wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 04:17:27 -0800 (PST), israel socratus

<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:50:36 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), israel socratus

<socrat...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:50:35 PM UTC+2, jillery wrote: >>>>>>>>>
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Does a caterpillar become a butterfly for a "statistical" reason? >>>>>>>>>> ----------------------

How many butterflies and caterpillars do mathematics?
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What math do you use when you're hungry?
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Some count calories.

How many calories do caterpillars burn to turn into butterflies?

Start with two thousand caterpillars of the same species. Burn a
thousand, see how much heat they
give off. Wait for the next thousand to become butterflies, then burn >>>>> them. Repeat.

William Hyde

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burning calories is an internal process, not an external one

Do you understand that burning calories is a thermodynamic process,
whether internal or external?
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thermodynamic process depends on physical state of system
(internal- burning calories or external-burning two thousand caterpillars) >> and therefore has different result
(depends on the function of pressure and temperature)

Energy that caterpillars use is mostly from burning blood sugar with clycolysis.

Not exactly. No oxygen is consumed in glycolysis. The burning comes
later, in the tricarboxylate (Krebs) cycle.

The clycolysis can't get magically more chemical energy out
of clucose than it contains so the experiment proposed was correct.

I was wondering if glucose was spelt with a c in Estonian, but
according to Google Translate it isn't : glükoos

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athel cb : Biochemical Evolution, Garland Science, 2016

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