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"Dean Markley" wrote in message news:73d7fa68-7b2b-4ce8-8331-127d304674e0@googlegroups.com...

Stalins forces were exhausted by the time they reached Berlin. Possibly
they might have taken more of Germany but there's no way they would have reached the English Channel. The supply lines were incredibly extended by May 1945. And the Soviets did not have infinite resources.

And besides, Soviet forces were needed in the East to take on the
Japanese...

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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:11:06 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

Possibly the destruction of Dresden was a sufficient deterrent. Those
weak and degenerate capitalists could kill.

The atomic bombing of Japan would be a better example to them.

Objectively, what is the difference?

I recall two photograph of a destroyed urban areas. One was
Hiroshima in 1945, the other was Seoul in 1951. "Which one was the
one more destroyed?"

I would imagine Seoul was in even worse shape in 1953 - nothing like
being capture by NK/Chinese troops - except having it happen twice

OTOH, I recall reading that Gen LeMay, after the Japanese
surrender, would hold "navigation exercises", where his B29s would >rendezvous over Vladivostok or other Soviet city. Because the Red Air
Force could not intercept them at altitude. Not a nice thing to do
but ,,,

Would love a cite on that one

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The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> on Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:04:54 -0700
typed in soc.history.what-if the following:

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:11:06 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

Possibly the destruction of Dresden was a sufficient deterrent. Those
weak and degenerate capitalists could kill.

The atomic bombing of Japan would be a better example to them.

Objectively, what is the difference?

I recall two photograph of a destroyed urban areas. One was >>Hiroshima in 1945, the other was Seoul in 1951. "Which one was the
one more destroyed?"

I would imagine Seoul was in even worse shape in 1953 - nothing like
being capture by NK/Chinese troops - except having it happen twice

OTOH, I recall reading that Gen LeMay, after the Japanese
surrender, would hold "navigation exercises", where his B29s would >>rendezvous over Vladivostok or other Soviet city. Because the Red Air >>Force could not intercept them at altitude. Not a nice thing to do
but ,,,

Would love a cite on that one

"So would I." I read voraciously and rarely if ever took notes.
"It was in a green book, towards the back half..." doesn't really
help.
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message news:pguale94s9it5vsj7ksifq822m1afs85f0@4ax.com...

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> on Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:04:54 -0700
typed in soc.history.what-if the following:

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:11:06 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

Possibly the destruction of Dresden was a sufficient deterrent. Those >>>>> weak and degenerate capitalists could kill.

The atomic bombing of Japan would be a better example to them.

Objectively, what is the difference?

I recall two photograph of a destroyed urban areas. One was Hiroshima
in 1945, the other was Seoul in 1951. "Which one was the one more
destroyed?"

I would imagine Seoul was in even worse shape in 1953 - nothing like being >>capture by NK/Chinese troops - except having it happen twice

OTOH, I recall reading that Gen LeMay, after the Japanese surrender,
would hold "navigation exercises", where his B29s would rendezvous over
Vladivostok or other Soviet city. Because the Red Air Force could not
intercept them at altitude. Not a nice thing to do but ,,,

Would love a cite on that one

"So would I." I read voraciously and rarely if ever took notes.
"It was in a green book, towards the back half..." doesn't really help.

"There was a time in the 1950s when we could have won a war against Russia.
It would have cost us essentially the accident rate of the flying time,
because their defenses were pretty weak. One time in the 1950s we flew all
of the reconnaissance aircraft that SAC possessed over Vladivostok at high noon. Two reconnaissance airplanes saw MiGs, but there were no interceptions made. It was well planned, too—crisscrossing paths of all the reconnaissance airplanes. Each target was hit by at least two, and usually three, reconnaissance airplanes to make sure we got pictures of it. We practically mapped the place up there with no resistance at all. We could have launched bombing attacks, planned and executed just as well, at that time." https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1995/06/19/the-general-and-world-war-iii

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pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

"So would I." I read voraciously and rarely if ever took notes.
"It was in a green book, towards the back half..." doesn't really
help.

"³His mind¹s eye sees them quoted on the bottom third of a
right-hand page in a (possibly) olive-bound book he read at
least five years ago.²

Edward Gorey: _The Unstrung Harp, or, Mr. Earbrass Writes A Novel_
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Nous sommes dans une pot de chambre, et nous y serons emmerdés.
--- General Auguste-Alexandre Ducrot at Sedan, 1870.

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On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 03:14:10 -0500, tRudy Crayola
<Meth@anphetamine.net> wrote:

Stalin knew very well that the US hadn't begun serial production of
atomic bombs.

Source?

Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman's white house. Where else? And then
along came the Rosenberg's and other fellow travelers. The Democrats
have never been loyal to America.

Oh come on - I'm no fan of the Democrats but you simply cannot blame
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg on Hillary Clinton and AOC.

You going to blame them for Breckinridge and Douglas (who you will
recall were the two Democrats for fought Lincoln in 1860) next?

I don't like either of the aforementioned ladies but you are
redefining the word "stretch"

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The Horny Goat wrote:

OTOH, I recall reading that Gen LeMay, after the Japanese
surrender, would hold "navigation exercises", where his B29s would >rendezvous over Vladivostok or other Soviet city. Because the Red Air >Force could not intercept them at altitude. Not a nice thing to do
but ,,,

Would love a cite on that one

[t]here was a time in the 1950s when we could have won a war
against Russia. It would have cost us essentially the accident
rate of the flying time, because their defenses were pretty
weak. One time in the 1950s we flew all of the reconnaissance
aircraft that SAC possessed over Vladivostok at high noon ... We
could have launched bombing attacks, planned and executed just as
well, at that time.

—LeMay, 1988 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Integrated_Operational_Plan#Prevention_versus_preemption>

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