In volume 2 of Plantagenet Ancestry, p.93, Richardson states Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414 but does not give any information regarding the line of this particular person. The name is presented in boldfaced typeset andnothing more. Was this an oversight by Mr. Richardson or is there simply no information regarding who this John Stapleton is?
Thanks in advance for reading.
~Glen~
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 10:04:05 PM UTC-5, fosgate3 wrote:nothing more. Was this an oversight by Mr. Richardson or is there simply no information regarding who this John Stapleton is?
In volume 2 of Plantagenet Ancestry, p.93, Richardson states Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414 but does not give any information regarding the line of this particular person. The name is presented in boldfaced typeset and
may be the case here.Thanks in advance for reading.
~Glen~The reference of VCH Wiltshire 8 (1965) pp. 96-103 must be the source for this possible marriage to John Stapleton. I have attempted to find the reference online without success. Sometimes a reference offers a possibility without explanation and that
I wish I could be of help as I have been doing a lot of Stapleton research, but this Stapleton line appears to be an outlier.
Darrell
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 3:33:31 AM UTC, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:and nothing more. Was this an oversight by Mr. Richardson or is there simply no information regarding who this John Stapleton is?
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 10:04:05 PM UTC-5, fosgate3 wrote:
In volume 2 of Plantagenet Ancestry, p.93, Richardson states Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414 but does not give any information regarding the line of this particular person. The name is presented in boldfaced typeset
may be the case here.Thanks in advance for reading.
~Glen~The reference of VCH Wiltshire 8 (1965) pp. 96-103 must be the source for this possible marriage to John Stapleton. I have attempted to find the reference online without success. Sometimes a reference offers a possibility without explanation and that
manors of Stepulton, Armegrove & Folhampton which formerly belonged to John Stepulton, Armiger, the father of the said Joyce, and of whom she was one of the heirs, between the said Joyce & the said John Leghton son & heir of Elizabeth, daughter and theI wish I could be of help as I have been doing a lot of Stapleton research, but this Stapleton line appears to be an outlier.
DarrellIt's a mistake. The name of Margaret's husband(s) and the surnames of her two daughters are unknown.
Transactions of Shropshire (1915), p. 221 https://archive.org/details/transactionsofsh45shro/page/n493/mode/2up
"De Banco, Easter, 10 Edw. 4., No. 343.
SALOP. John Leghton, Richard Bondes & Joan his wife, Robert Cresset & Christine his wife,– Robert Mountfort & Thomas Acton were summoned at the suit of Thomas Horde & Joyce his wife in a plea that they should permit a partition to be made of the
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 10:04:05 PM UTC-5, fosgate3 wrote:nothing more. Was this an oversight by Mr. Richardson or is there simply no information regarding who this John Stapleton is?
In volume 2 of Plantagenet Ancestry, p.93, Richardson states Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414 but does not give any information regarding the line of this particular person. The name is presented in boldfaced typeset and
may be the case here.Thanks in advance for reading.
~Glen~The reference of VCH Wiltshire 8 (1965) pp. 96-103 must be the source for this possible marriage to John Stapleton. I have attempted to find the reference online without success. Sometimes a reference offers a possibility without explanation and that
I wish I could be of help as I have been doing a lot of Stapleton research, but this Stapleton line appears to be an outlier.Thank you for the info you were able to provide. I appreciate it!
Darrell
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 1:32:21 AM UTC-6, William Acton wrote:and nothing more. Was this an oversight by Mr. Richardson or is there simply no information regarding who this John Stapleton is?
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 3:33:31 AM UTC, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 10:04:05 PM UTC-5, fosgate3 wrote:
In volume 2 of Plantagenet Ancestry, p.93, Richardson states Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414 but does not give any information regarding the line of this particular person. The name is presented in boldfaced typeset
that may be the case here.Thanks in advance for reading.
~Glen~The reference of VCH Wiltshire 8 (1965) pp. 96-103 must be the source for this possible marriage to John Stapleton. I have attempted to find the reference online without success. Sometimes a reference offers a possibility without explanation and
manors of Stepulton, Armegrove & Folhampton which formerly belonged to John Stepulton, Armiger, the father of the said Joyce, and of whom she was one of the heirs, between the said Joyce & the said John Leghton son & heir of Elizabeth, daughter and theI wish I could be of help as I have been doing a lot of Stapleton research, but this Stapleton line appears to be an outlier.
DarrellIt's a mistake. The name of Margaret's husband(s) and the surnames of her two daughters are unknown.
Transactions of Shropshire (1915), p. 221 https://archive.org/details/transactionsofsh45shro/page/n493/mode/2up
"De Banco, Easter, 10 Edw. 4., No. 343.
SALOP. John Leghton, Richard Bondes & Joan his wife, Robert Cresset & Christine his wife,– Robert Mountfort & Thomas Acton were summoned at the suit of Thomas Horde & Joyce his wife in a plea that they should permit a partition to be made of the
Good to know and thank you. I will update my records accordingly.Has anyone ever discovered which member of the Eyton family Margaret's daughter was supposed to have married?
In volume 2 of Plantagenet Ancestry, p.93, Richardson states Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414 but does not give any information regarding the line of this particular person. The name is presented in boldfaced typeset andnothing more. Was this an oversight by Mr. Richardson or is there simply no information regarding who this John Stapleton is?
Thanks in advance for reading.The information you've referenced in vol. 2 p. 93 of the 2nd edition of PA also appears in vol. 2 p. 640 of the more recent Royal Ancestry. Aside from the reference to VCH Wiltshire vol. 8 (which unfortunately does not appear to be available online),
~Glen~
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 9:38:06 PM UTC+1, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:and nothing more. Was this an oversight by Mr. Richardson or is there simply no information regarding who this John Stapleton is?
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 7:04:05 PM UTC-8, fosgate3 wrote:
In volume 2 of Plantagenet Ancestry, p.93, Richardson states Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414 but does not give any information regarding the line of this particular person. The name is presented in boldfaced typeset
there are two sources listed for "Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414".Thanks in advance for reading.
~Glen~The information you've referenced in vol. 2 p. 93 of the 2nd edition of PA also appears in vol. 2 p. 640 of the more recent Royal Ancestry. Aside from the reference to VCH Wiltshire vol. 8 (which unfortunately does not appear to be available online),
Stapleton's grandmother Margaret Hakeluyt. The will mentions "Margaret Stepilton", but it's hard to see how one could conclude from this that Margaret "possibly married John Stapleton".The first source is Weaver's Somerset Medieval Wills, vol. 16, pp. 66-67, which is available via the FHL here: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/285169?availability=Family%20History%20Library The reference is to the 1414 will of Margaret
page 201. And the Stapleton name does not appear in the index for the volume. Something is amiss here....The second source is Collections for a History of Staffordshire, 1914, p. 221. Several copies of this volume are available via Hathitrust, microfilmed from different library collections. None of of these copies has a page 221 - the volume ends with
Might there be more than one edition (or volume)?I had thought of that, but there is no indication of multiple editions or volumes for that year in the collections of CHS that I looked at. I was also hoping that there might be a comprehensive index covering the entire series, or at least various
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 7:04:05 PM UTC-8, fosgate3 wrote:nothing more. Was this an oversight by Mr. Richardson or is there simply no information regarding who this John Stapleton is?
In volume 2 of Plantagenet Ancestry, p.93, Richardson states Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414 but does not give any information regarding the line of this particular person. The name is presented in boldfaced typeset and
there are two sources listed for "Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414".Thanks in advance for reading.
~Glen~The information you've referenced in vol. 2 p. 93 of the 2nd edition of PA also appears in vol. 2 p. 640 of the more recent Royal Ancestry. Aside from the reference to VCH Wiltshire vol. 8 (which unfortunately does not appear to be available online),
The first source is Weaver's Somerset Medieval Wills, vol. 16, pp. 66-67, which is available via the FHL here: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/285169?availability=Family%20History%20Library The reference is to the 1414 will of MargaretStapleton's grandmother Margaret Hakeluyt. The will mentions "Margaret Stepilton", but it's hard to see how one could conclude from this that Margaret "possibly married John Stapleton".
The second source is Collections for a History of Staffordshire, 1914, p. 221. Several copies of this volume are available via Hathitrust, microfilmed from different library collections. None of of these copies has a page 221 - the volume ends withpage 201. And the Stapleton name does not appear in the index for the volume. Something is amiss here....
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 7:04:05 PM UTC-8, fosgate3 wrote:nothing more. Was this an oversight by Mr. Richardson or is there simply no information regarding who this John Stapleton is?
In volume 2 of Plantagenet Ancestry, p.93, Richardson states Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414 but does not give any information regarding the line of this particular person. The name is presented in boldfaced typeset and
there are two sources listed for "Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414".Thanks in advance for reading.
~Glen~The information you've referenced in vol. 2 p. 93 of the 2nd edition of PA also appears in vol. 2 p. 640 of the more recent Royal Ancestry. Aside from the reference to VCH Wiltshire vol. 8 (which unfortunately does not appear to be available online),
The elder John Stapleton was an MP and has a biography in HOP 1386-1421: http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/stapleton-john-iiillegitimate daughter, Isabel, wife of Sir Richard Fitz Ives”. https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/0xjbaUOubo4/m/6DlUYQa0PIcJ It’s quite an impressive treatment of a very complex topic, but it may be time for a re-review of the
Some of the statements in that bio also appear to be at variance with the Richardson narrative in PA and RA.
This is quite a mare’s nest – not just the Stapleton matter but the entire Furneaux inheritance. The sections in PA and RA are based almost entirely on a lengthy Richardson post in SGM in 2007 titled “Descendants of King John's alleged
Leonard Stapleton died without issue, and his widow Joyce sued his feoffees for a life estate in the lands in Warminster which had been promised her. (fn. 160) Stapleton's estates, however, went to the heirs of a certain John Stapleton, perhaps hisbrother, whose lands in Shropshire were the subject of a lawsuit in 1470. (fn. 161) The Warminster property was evidently divided between two of the coheirs of John Stapleton, for in 1483 William Ruynon quitclaimed all the lands in Warminster which he
Note the reference to “a certain John Stapleton, perhaps his [Leonard Stapleton’s] brother”.<snip>
<snip>brother, whose lands in Shropshire were the subject of a lawsuit in 1470. (fn. 161) The Warminster property was evidently divided between two of the coheirs of John Stapleton, for in 1483 William Ruynon quitclaimed all the lands in Warminster which he
Leonard Stapleton died without issue, and his widow Joyce sued his feoffees for a life estate in the lands in Warminster which had been promised her. (fn. 160) Stapleton's estates, however, went to the heirs of a certain John Stapleton, perhaps his
Note the reference to “a certain John Stapleton, perhaps his [Leonard Stapleton’s] brother”.<snip>
Leonard died childless. Clearly the John Stapleton referred to here is his father not his brother.
Twice during my research I have found HOP to be extremely accurate when it came
to their biographies, and have contradicted a host of other sources which frankly got
it wrong. I would highly recommend reviewing every source used at HOP and just
maybe you might find something valuable. Just my observations...
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 5:28:46 PM UTC-8, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:
Twice during my research I have found HOP to be extremely accurate when it cameI agree for the most part, but I have also found instances where incorrect genealogical information is provided that has simply been taken from sources like Vivian's Visitations of Devon without any attempt to independently evaluate the information.
to their biographies, and have contradicted a host of other sources which frankly got
it wrong. I would highly recommend reviewing every source used at HOP and just
maybe you might find something valuable. Just my observations...
taf
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 7:04:05 PM UTC-8, fosgate3 wrote:nothing more. Was this an oversight by Mr. Richardson or is there simply no information regarding who this John Stapleton is?
In volume 2 of Plantagenet Ancestry, p.93, Richardson states Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414 but does not give any information regarding the line of this particular person. The name is presented in boldfaced typeset and
there are two sources listed for "Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414".Thanks in advance for reading.
~Glen~The information you've referenced in vol. 2 p. 93 of the 2nd edition of PA also appears in vol. 2 p. 640 of the more recent Royal Ancestry. Aside from the reference to VCH Wiltshire vol. 8 (which unfortunately does not appear to be available online),
The first source is Weaver's Somerset Medieval Wills, vol. 16, pp. 66-67, which is available via the FHL here: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/285169?availability=Family%20History%20Library The reference is to the 1414 will of MargaretStapleton's grandmother Margaret Hakeluyt. The will mentions "Margaret Stepilton", but it's hard to see how one could conclude from this that Margaret "possibly married John Stapleton".
The second source is Collections for a History of Staffordshire, 1914, p. 221. Several copies of this volume are available via Hathitrust, microfilmed from different library collections. None of of these copies has a page 221 - the volume ends withpage 201. And the Stapleton name does not appear in the index for the volume. Something is amiss here....
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 1:38:06 PM UTC-7, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:and nothing more. Was this an oversight by Mr. Richardson or is there simply no information regarding who this John Stapleton is?
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 7:04:05 PM UTC-8, fosgate3 wrote:
In volume 2 of Plantagenet Ancestry, p.93, Richardson states Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414 but does not give any information regarding the line of this particular person. The name is presented in boldfaced typeset
there are two sources listed for "Margaret Stapleton possibly married John Stapleton after 1414".Thanks in advance for reading.
~Glen~The information you've referenced in vol. 2 p. 93 of the 2nd edition of PA also appears in vol. 2 p. 640 of the more recent Royal Ancestry. Aside from the reference to VCH Wiltshire vol. 8 (which unfortunately does not appear to be available online),
Stapleton's grandmother Margaret Hakeluyt. The will mentions "Margaret Stepilton", but it's hard to see how one could conclude from this that Margaret "possibly married John Stapleton".The first source is Weaver's Somerset Medieval Wills, vol. 16, pp. 66-67, which is available via the FHL here: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/285169?availability=Family%20History%20Library The reference is to the 1414 will of Margaret
page 201. And the Stapleton name does not appear in the index for the volume. Something is amiss here....The second source is Collections for a History of Staffordshire, 1914, p. 221. Several copies of this volume are available via Hathitrust, microfilmed from different library collections. None of of these copies has a page 221 - the volume ends with
FWIW: Just a guess here, but I suspect the reference to p221 probably refers to the Transactions reference first mentioned in William Acton's earlier posting and not the Collections volume.I assume you're basing this on the fact that both references refer to a page 221. What you're suggesting, of course, is that a genealogist of Richardson's caliber confused a 1915 issue of the Shropshire ANHS Transactions with a 1914 issue of Collections
Greg
page 201. And the Stapleton name does not appear in the index for the volume. Something is amiss here....The second source is Collections for a History of Staffordshire, 1914, p. 221. Several copies of this volume are available via Hathitrust, microfilmed from different library collections. None of of these copies has a page 221 - the volume ends with
Collections for a History of Staffordshire. That's a pretty serious error - I doubt that Richardson would be that careless.FWIW: Just a guess here, but I suspect the reference to p221 probably refers to the Transactions reference first mentioned in William Acton's earlier posting and not the Collections volume.
GregI assume you're basing this on the fact that both references refer to a page 221. What you're suggesting, of course, is that a genealogist of Richardson's caliber confused a 1915 issue of the Shropshire ANHS Transactions with a 1914 issue of
with page 201. And the Stapleton name does not appear in the index for the volume. Something is amiss here....The second source is Collections for a History of Staffordshire, 1914, p. 221. Several copies of this volume are available via Hathitrust, microfilmed from different library collections. None of of these copies has a page 221 - the volume ends
Collections for a History of Staffordshire. That's a pretty serious error - I doubt that Richardson would be that careless.FWIW: Just a guess here, but I suspect the reference to p221 probably refers to the Transactions reference first mentioned in William Acton's earlier posting and not the Collections volume.
GregI assume you're basing this on the fact that both references refer to a page 221. What you're suggesting, of course, is that a genealogist of Richardson's caliber confused a 1915 issue of the Shropshire ANHS Transactions with a 1914 issue of
==========and corrections to RA. Granted, most of these are editorial in nature, including erroneous cross-references, various inconsistencies in wording, and many others due to post-publication research, but still, "mistakes were made."
John,
I won't dispute DR's qualifications as a genealogist (though some might argue about some of his conclusions).
That said, there's also no denying that there is no genealogist (ever) who has not made a mistake. It should not be surprising that within the ~3600 pages of RA that there are some errors. Personally, I have compiled a 15 page document of suggestions
Greg
I assume you're basing this on the fact that both references refer to a page 221. What
you're suggesting, of course, is that a genealogist of Richardson's caliber confused a
1915 issue of the Shropshire ANHS Transactions with a 1914 issue of Collections for
a History of Staffordshire. That's a pretty serious error - I doubt that Richardson would
be that careless.
with page 201. And the Stapleton name does not appear in the index for the volume. Something is amiss here....The second source is Collections for a History of Staffordshire, 1914, p. 221. Several copies of this volume are available via Hathitrust, microfilmed from different library collections. None of of these copies has a page 221 - the volume ends
Collections for a History of Staffordshire. That's a pretty serious error - I doubt that Richardson would be that careless.FWIW: Just a guess here, but I suspect the reference to p221 probably refers to the Transactions reference first mentioned in William Acton's earlier posting and not the Collections volume.
GregI assume you're basing this on the fact that both references refer to a page 221. What you're suggesting, of course, is that a genealogist of Richardson's caliber confused a 1915 issue of the Shropshire ANHS Transactions with a 1914 issue of
==========and corrections to RA. Granted, most of these are editorial in nature, including erroneous cross-references, various inconsistencies in wording, and many others due to post-publication research, but still, "mistakes were made."
John,
I won't dispute DR's qualifications as a genealogist (though some might argue about some of his conclusions).
That said, there's also no denying that there is no genealogist (ever) who has not made a mistake. It should not be surprising that within the ~3600 pages of RA that there are some errors. Personally, I have compiled a 15 page document of suggestions
GregYou're correct - the word "careless" was perhaps too strong here.
Dear Glen ~Hakeluyt, dated 1414, and a Common Pleas lawsuit dated 1470. The 1470 lawsuit clearly identifies two daughters for Margaret Stapleton, namely Mary and Christine. There is no reason to doubt the veracity of the 1470 lawsuit as both Mary and Christine and
For your interest, I've copied below my current file account of the Stapleton-Deviock and related families.
In response to your specific question, the identity of the husband of Margaret Stapleton [Generation 10, ii below] is not clear in contemporary records. We know of Margaret's existence from two records, namely the will of her grandmother, Margaret
According to Lennard & Vincent, Vis. of Warwick 1619 (H.S.P. 12) (1877): 54–56, Margaret's daughter Mary was the "daughter and heir of Leonard Stapleton.”the two girls.
And, according to Tresswell & Vincent, Vis. of Shropshire 1623, 1569 & 1584 1 (H.S.P. 28) (1889): 157–158 , Margaret's daughter Christine was the "daughter and heir of John Stepleton, of Stepleton, Knt."
As you can see, both visitations assign the surname Stapleton to both Mary and Christine, but differ as to the name of their father. Clearly Leonard Stapleton is an error, as Leonard was the known brother of Margaret Stapleton herself, thus uncle to
That leaves us with the statement in the Shropshire visitation that Christine was the daughter and heir of John Stepleton, Knt. I'm suspicious of this statement as there doesn't appear to be a Sir John Stapleton in the right generation to be thehusband of Margaret Stapleton. Be that as it may, it should still be considered to be a possibility
Inasmuch as both visitations assign Stapleton as the birth surname of both Mary and Christine, I'm inclined to accept those statements, albeit the name of the father differ in these accounts.
Should you encounter additional information regarding this matter, by all means, be sure to let me know.
Douglas Richardson, Author
Dear Glen ~Hakeluyt, dated 1414, and a Common Pleas lawsuit dated 1470. The 1470 lawsuit clearly identifies two daughters for Margaret Stapleton, namely Mary and Christine. There is no reason to doubt the veracity of the 1470 lawsuit as both Mary and Christine and
For your interest, I've copied below my current file account of the Stapleton-Deviock and related families.
In response to your specific question, the identity of the husband of Margaret Stapleton [Generation 10, ii below] is not clear in contemporary records. We know of Margaret's existence from two records, namely the will of her grandmother, Margaret
According to Lennard & Vincent, Vis. of Warwick 1619 (H.S.P. 12) (1877): 54–56, Margaret's daughter Mary was the "daughter and heir of Leonard Stapleton.”the two girls.
And, according to Tresswell & Vincent, Vis. of Shropshire 1623, 1569 & 1584 1 (H.S.P. 28) (1889): 157–158 , Margaret's daughter Christine was the "daughter and heir of John Stepleton, of Stepleton, Knt."
As you can see, both visitations assign the surname Stapleton to both Mary and Christine, but differ as to the name of their father. Clearly Leonard Stapleton is an error, as Leonard was the known brother of Margaret Stapleton herself, thus uncle to
That leaves us with the statement in the Shropshire visitation that Christine was the daughter and heir of John Stepleton, Knt. I'm suspicious of this statement as there doesn't appear to be a Sir John Stapleton in the right generation to be thehusband of Margaret Stapleton. Be that as it may, it should still be considered to be a possibility
Inasmuch as both visitations assign Stapleton as the birth surname of both Mary and Christine, I'm inclined to accept those statements, albeit the name of the father differ in these accounts.John Fareweye and Agnes his wife, and John Rewenon [Ruynon] and Joan his wife, daughters and heirs of John Langelond in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £40. In 1384 William Bowyer, Citizen and skinner of London, sued Margaret Devyok in the
Should you encounter additional information regarding this matter, by all means, be sure to let me know.
Douglas Richardson, Author
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9. MARGARET LONGLAND, daughter and co-heiress, born about 1362 (aged 18 in 1380). She married (1st) JOHN DEVIOCK (or DEVYOK, DEVIOKE). They had one daughter, Margaret. JOHN DEVIOCK died before 16 August 1380. In 1381 Roger Lamarl sued Margaret Devyok,
Coll. Top. et Gen. 1 (1834): 243–248 (Furneaux ped.: “The furst doughter Margaret [Longland] maried Leonard Hakeluet, kt. of whom commyth Stepulton of Shroppeshier, and had for his parte lands besides Warmester, and in divers places.”). Benolte,Vis. of Somerset 1531, 1573 & 1591 (1885): 108 (Furneaux ped.: “Margerett [Longland], ux. Leonard hackluit.”). Antiq. 14 (1886): 115 (Deviock arms: Party per saltier argent and sable). Weaver, Somerset Incumbents (1889): 180. List of Sheriffs for
10. MARGARET DEVIOCK, daughter and heiress, evidently born before 1380. She married before 1400 (as his 1st wife) JOHN STAPLETON (or STEPULTON), Esq., of Stapleton, Shropshire, Dormington, Herefordshire, etc., Knight of the Shire for Shropshire, 1421,2nd son of John Stapleton, of Stapleton and Oaks (in Pontesbury), Shropshire, Dormington, Herefordshire, etc., by Katherine, daughter and co-heiress of Edward Burnell, of Langley, Shropshire. They had one son, Leonard, Esq., and two daughters, Margaret
Coll. Top. et Gen. 1 (1834): 243–248. Benolte, Vis. of Somerset 1531, 1573 & 1591 (1885): 108 (Furneaux ped.: “Margerett, ux. John Stepleton.”). Bye-gones (1903): 195. Colls. Hist. Staffs. 1914 (1914): 221. Somerset & Dorset Notes & Queries 16 (1920): 281–285 (Furneaux ped. dated 1421: “Et predicta Margareta [de Beaupre] prima filia predictorum Johannis et Isabelle marritata fuit Johanni Devyok et habuerunt exitum Margaretam [Devyok] que fuit marritata Johanni Stepulton et habuerunt exitum
Children of Margaret Deviock by John Stapleton, Esq.:minor in 1418, of age in 1421). He was a legatee in the 1413 will of his step-grandfather, Leonard Hakluyt, Knt. He was a legatee in the 1414 will of his grandmother, Margaret Hakluyt. In the period, 1426–32, he sued Hugh Stapleton, Gent., and Hugh his
i. LEONARD STAPLETON (or STEPULTON, STEPILTON), Esq., of Grove (in South Brent), Somerset, and, in right of his 2nd wife, of Sezincote, Gloucestershire and Milcote, Warwickshire, son and heir by his father’s 1st marriage, born in or before 1400 (
Dugdale, Antiqs. of Warwickshire (1730): 72–73 (Herdeburgh ped.). Collins, Peerage of England 3 (1756): 661–663 (sub Grevile, Earl Brooke). Universal Mag. of Knowledge & Pleasure 27 (1760): 318–319. Nash, Colls. for the Hist. of Worcestershire 2 (1782): 50 (Cokesey ped.), 52, 57, 468–469. Fosbrooke, Abstracts of Recs. & MSS respecting the County of Gloucester (1807): 392–396. Lysons & Lysons, Magna Britannia 5 (1817): 129–142. Ormerod, Hist. of Chester 2 (1819): 333 (Cokesay ped.), 336–
ii. MARGARET STAPLETON. She was a legatee in the 1414 will of her grandmother, Margaret Hakluyt, who bequeathed her 10 marks. She married after 1414 _____ (possibly JOHN STAPLETON). They had two daughters, Mary and Christine (or Christian). Margaretdied sometime before 1455. Eyton, Antiqs. of Shropshire 6 (1858): 118. Weaver, Somerset Medieval Wills 1 (Somerset Rec. Soc. 16) (1901): 66–67 (will of Margaret Hakeluyt). Colls. Hist. Staffs. 1914 (1914): 221. VCH Wiltshire 8 (1965): 96–103. Court
Children of Margaret Stapleton, by uncertain husband, _____ (possibly John Stapleton):his wife, Joan Vernon. They had one daughter, Katherine (wife of George Booth, Esq.). In 1455 John Leighton, Robert Mounford and Mary his wife, Robert Cresset and Christine his wife, Thomas Hord and Joyce his wife, Thomas Walwen and Joan his wife, and
a. MARY STAPLETON, daughter and co-heiress. She married before 1455 ROBERT MONTFORT (or MOUNTFORT, MOUNFORD), Esq., styled “the younger,” of Church Bickenhall, Warwickshire, younger son of Baldwin Montfort, Knt., of Avon Dassett, Warwickshire, by
Dugdale, Antiqs. of Warwickshire 2 (1730): 1007–1008 (Mountfort ped.). Eyton, Antiqs. of Shropshire 6 (1858): 118. Lennard & Vincent Vis. of Warwick 1619 (H.S.P. 12) (1877): 54–56 (Montfort ped.: “Rob. Montford of Colshall in Com. Staff. = Mary d.& heire of Leonard Stapleton.”). Willmore, Hist. of Walsall & its Neighbourhood (1887): 280, 281–283 (Montfort ped.), 284–286. Wrottesley, Staffordshire Suits: Plea Rolls (Colls. Hist. Staffs. n.s. 4) (1901): 186. Bye-gones (1903): 195. Desc. Cat.
b. CHRISTINE (or CHRISTIAN)) STAPLETON, daughter and co-heiress. She married (1st) before 1455 ROBERT CRESSETT (or CRESSET), Esq., of Upton Cressett, Shropshire, Sheriff of Shropshire, 1468–9, 1484–5, son and heir of Hugh Cressett, Esq., Sheriff ofShropshire, 1435. They had one son, Thomas, Esq., and one daughter, Joyce (wife of Ralph Lane and Edward Burton, Gent.). In 1455 John Leighton, Robert Mounford and Mary his wife, Robert Cresset and Christine his wife, Thomas Hord and Joyce his wife,
Debrett, Peerage of the United Kingdom 2 (1820): 933 (“sir Robert Burton, knt., had the first grant of arms May 22, 1473; he m. Christa Stapleton, daughter of sir John Stapleton, knt. and relict of Robert Cressett, of Upton Cressett, co. Salop”).Owen, Hist. of Shrewsbury 2 (1825): 230–231. Burke Hist. of the Commoners 4 (1838): 261–267 (sub Burton). Eyton, Antiqs. of Shropshire 6 (1858): 118. Tresswell & Vincent, Vis. of Shropshire 1623, 1569 & 1584 1 (H.S.P. 28) (1889): 157–158 (Cressett
iii. ELIZABETH STAPLETON, married (as his 1st wife) EDWARD LEIGHTON, of Stretton en le Dale and Leighton, Shropshire, son and heir of John Leighton, Esq., of Leighton, Shropshire, by Maud, daughter and heiress of Walter Cambray, Esq. They had four sons,John, Esq., Edward, Cuthbert, Knt., and Richard, and three daughters, Elizabeth (wife of William Lyster), Alice, and Joyce. His wife, Elizabeth, died before 1444. He married (2nd) before 1444 SIBYL _____. EDWARD LEIGHTON left a will dated 1444, proved 4
Botfield, Stemmata Botevilliana (1858): 163–165, 183–188 (Leighton ped.). Colls. Hist. Staffs. 6 (1883): 320–321 (will of Edward Leighton). Bye-gones (1903): 195. Burke, Gen. & Heraldic Hist. of the Peerage & Baronetage (76th ed., 1914): 1192–1194 (sub Leighton). Trans. Shropshire Arch. & Natural Hist. Soc. 4th Ser. 5 (1915): 221. Wedgwood, Hist. of Parl. 1 (1936): 534–535 (biog. of John Leighton). VCH Shropshire 8 (1968): 164. Court of Common Pleas, CP40/835, image 625f (available at http:/
Child of Elizabeth Stapleton, by Edward Leighton:
Dear Glen ~Hakeluyt, dated 1414, and a Common Pleas lawsuit dated 1470. The 1470 lawsuit clearly identifies two daughters for Margaret Stapleton, namely Mary and Christine. There is no reason to doubt the veracity of the 1470 lawsuit as both Mary and Christine and
For your interest, I've copied below my current file account of the Stapleton-Deviock and related families.
In response to your specific question, the identity of the husband of Margaret Stapleton [Generation 10, ii below] is not clear in contemporary records. We know of Margaret's existence from two records, namely the will of her grandmother, Margaret
According to Lennard & Vincent, Vis. of Warwick 1619 (H.S.P. 12) (1877): 54–56, Margaret's daughter Mary was the "daughter and heir of Leonard Stapleton.”the two girls.
And, according to Tresswell & Vincent, Vis. of Shropshire 1623, 1569 & 1584 1 (H.S.P. 28) (1889): 157–158 , Margaret's daughter Christine was the "daughter and heir of John Stepleton, of Stepleton, Knt."
As you can see, both visitations assign the surname Stapleton to both Mary and Christine, but differ as to the name of their father. Clearly Leonard Stapleton is an error, as Leonard was the known brother of Margaret Stapleton herself, thus uncle to
That leaves us with the statement in the Shropshire visitation that Christine was the daughter and heir of John Stepleton, Knt. I'm suspicious of this statement as there doesn't appear to be a Sir John Stapleton in the right generation to be thehusband of Margaret Stapleton. Be that as it may, it should still be considered to be a possibility
Inasmuch as both visitations assign Stapleton as the birth surname of both Mary and Christine, I'm inclined to accept those statements, albeit the name of the father differ in these accounts.John Fareweye and Agnes his wife, and John Rewenon [Ruynon] and Joan his wife, daughters and heirs of John Langelond in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £40. In 1384 William Bowyer, Citizen and skinner of London, sued Margaret Devyok in the
Should you encounter additional information regarding this matter, by all means, be sure to let me know.
Douglas Richardson, Author
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9. MARGARET LONGLAND, daughter and co-heiress, born about 1362 (aged 18 in 1380). She married (1st) JOHN DEVIOCK (or DEVYOK, DEVIOKE). They had one daughter, Margaret. JOHN DEVIOCK died before 16 August 1380. In 1381 Roger Lamarl sued Margaret Devyok,
Coll. Top. et Gen. 1 (1834): 243–248 (Furneaux ped.: “The furst doughter Margaret [Longland] maried Leonard Hakeluet, kt. of whom commyth Stepulton of Shroppeshier, and had for his parte lands besides Warmester, and in divers places.”). Benolte,Vis. of Somerset 1531, 1573 & 1591 (1885): 108 (Furneaux ped.: “Margerett [Longland], ux. Leonard hackluit.”). Antiq. 14 (1886): 115 (Deviock arms: Party per saltier argent and sable). Weaver, Somerset Incumbents (1889): 180. List of Sheriffs for
10. MARGARET DEVIOCK, daughter and heiress, evidently born before 1380. She married before 1400 (as his 1st wife) JOHN STAPLETON (or STEPULTON), Esq., of Stapleton, Shropshire, Dormington, Herefordshire, etc., Knight of the Shire for Shropshire, 1421,2nd son of John Stapleton, of Stapleton and Oaks (in Pontesbury), Shropshire, Dormington, Herefordshire, etc., by Katherine, daughter and co-heiress of Edward Burnell, of Langley, Shropshire. They had one son, Leonard, Esq., and two daughters, Margaret
Coll. Top. et Gen. 1 (1834): 243–248. Benolte, Vis. of Somerset 1531, 1573 & 1591 (1885): 108 (Furneaux ped.: “Margerett, ux. John Stepleton.”). Bye-gones (1903): 195. Colls. Hist. Staffs. 1914 (1914): 221. Somerset & Dorset Notes & Queries 16 (1920): 281–285 (Furneaux ped. dated 1421: “Et predicta Margareta [de Beaupre] prima filia predictorum Johannis et Isabelle marritata fuit Johanni Devyok et habuerunt exitum Margaretam [Devyok] que fuit marritata Johanni Stepulton et habuerunt exitum
Children of Margaret Deviock by John Stapleton, Esq.:minor in 1418, of age in 1421). He was a legatee in the 1413 will of his step-grandfather, Leonard Hakluyt, Knt. He was a legatee in the 1414 will of his grandmother, Margaret Hakluyt. In the period, 1426–32, he sued Hugh Stapleton, Gent., and Hugh his
i. LEONARD STAPLETON (or STEPULTON, STEPILTON), Esq., of Grove (in South Brent), Somerset, and, in right of his 2nd wife, of Sezincote, Gloucestershire and Milcote, Warwickshire, son and heir by his father’s 1st marriage, born in or before 1400 (
Dugdale, Antiqs. of Warwickshire (1730): 72–73 (Herdeburgh ped.). Collins, Peerage of England 3 (1756): 661–663 (sub Grevile, Earl Brooke). Universal Mag. of Knowledge & Pleasure 27 (1760): 318–319. Nash, Colls. for the Hist. of Worcestershire 2 (1782): 50 (Cokesey ped.), 52, 57, 468–469. Fosbrooke, Abstracts of Recs. & MSS respecting the County of Gloucester (1807): 392–396. Lysons & Lysons, Magna Britannia 5 (1817): 129–142. Ormerod, Hist. of Chester 2 (1819): 333 (Cokesay ped.), 336–
ii. MARGARET STAPLETON. She was a legatee in the 1414 will of her grandmother, Margaret Hakluyt, who bequeathed her 10 marks. She married after 1414 _____ (possibly JOHN STAPLETON). They had two daughters, Mary and Christine (or Christian). Margaretdied sometime before 1455. Eyton, Antiqs. of Shropshire 6 (1858): 118. Weaver, Somerset Medieval Wills 1 (Somerset Rec. Soc. 16) (1901): 66–67 (will of Margaret Hakeluyt). Colls. Hist. Staffs. 1914 (1914): 221. VCH Wiltshire 8 (1965): 96–103. Court
Children of Margaret Stapleton, by uncertain husband, _____ (possibly John Stapleton):his wife, Joan Vernon. They had one daughter, Katherine (wife of George Booth, Esq.). In 1455 John Leighton, Robert Mounford and Mary his wife, Robert Cresset and Christine his wife, Thomas Hord and Joyce his wife, Thomas Walwen and Joan his wife, and
a. MARY STAPLETON, daughter and co-heiress. She married before 1455 ROBERT MONTFORT (or MOUNTFORT, MOUNFORD), Esq., styled “the younger,” of Church Bickenhall, Warwickshire, younger son of Baldwin Montfort, Knt., of Avon Dassett, Warwickshire, by
Dugdale, Antiqs. of Warwickshire 2 (1730): 1007–1008 (Mountfort ped.). Eyton, Antiqs. of Shropshire 6 (1858): 118. Lennard & Vincent Vis. of Warwick 1619 (H.S.P. 12) (1877): 54–56 (Montfort ped.: “Rob. Montford of Colshall in Com. Staff. = Mary d.& heire of Leonard Stapleton.”). Willmore, Hist. of Walsall & its Neighbourhood (1887): 280, 281–283 (Montfort ped.), 284–286. Wrottesley, Staffordshire Suits: Plea Rolls (Colls. Hist. Staffs. n.s. 4) (1901): 186. Bye-gones (1903): 195. Desc. Cat.
b. CHRISTINE (or CHRISTIAN)) STAPLETON, daughter and co-heiress. She married (1st) before 1455 ROBERT CRESSETT (or CRESSET), Esq., of Upton Cressett, Shropshire, Sheriff of Shropshire, 1468–9, 1484–5, son and heir of Hugh Cressett, Esq., Sheriff ofShropshire, 1435. They had one son, Thomas, Esq., and one daughter, Joyce (wife of Ralph Lane and Edward Burton, Gent.). In 1455 John Leighton, Robert Mounford and Mary his wife, Robert Cresset and Christine his wife, Thomas Hord and Joyce his wife,
Debrett, Peerage of the United Kingdom 2 (1820): 933 (“sir Robert Burton, knt., had the first grant of arms May 22, 1473; he m. Christa Stapleton, daughter of sir John Stapleton, knt. and relict of Robert Cressett, of Upton Cressett, co. Salop”).Owen, Hist. of Shrewsbury 2 (1825): 230–231. Burke Hist. of the Commoners 4 (1838): 261–267 (sub Burton). Eyton, Antiqs. of Shropshire 6 (1858): 118. Tresswell & Vincent, Vis. of Shropshire 1623, 1569 & 1584 1 (H.S.P. 28) (1889): 157–158 (Cressett
iii. ELIZABETH STAPLETON, married (as his 1st wife) EDWARD LEIGHTON, of Stretton en le Dale and Leighton, Shropshire, son and heir of John Leighton, Esq., of Leighton, Shropshire, by Maud, daughter and heiress of Walter Cambray, Esq. They had four sons,John, Esq., Edward, Cuthbert, Knt., and Richard, and three daughters, Elizabeth (wife of William Lyster), Alice, and Joyce. His wife, Elizabeth, died before 1444. He married (2nd) before 1444 SIBYL _____. EDWARD LEIGHTON left a will dated 1444, proved 4
Botfield, Stemmata Botevilliana (1858): 163–165, 183–188 (Leighton ped.). Colls. Hist. Staffs. 6 (1883): 320–321 (will of Edward Leighton). Bye-gones (1903): 195. Burke, Gen. & Heraldic Hist. of the Peerage & Baronetage (76th ed., 1914): 1192–1194 (sub Leighton). Trans. Shropshire Arch. & Natural Hist. Soc. 4th Ser. 5 (1915): 221. Wedgwood, Hist. of Parl. 1 (1936): 534–535 (biog. of John Leighton). VCH Shropshire 8 (1968): 164. Court of Common Pleas, CP40/835, image 625f (available at http:/
Child of Elizabeth Stapleton, by Edward Leighton:
My comments are interspersed below. DRMargaret Stapleton's two daughters, Mary and Christian. This is supported by the record which you found taken from Bodl. MS., Salop, 10 f. 248.
On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:07:06 AM UTC-7, William Acton wrote:
< I think the Visitations identify Mary and Christiana as 'Stapleton' because they were coheirs of their Stapleton grandfather. There is no
< contemporary evidence for the identity of Margaret Stapleton's husband.
As a general rule, visitations are fairly accurate .... although certainly it depends on the visitation in question, as accuracy can and does vary. In this case, you have two SEPARATE visitations which identify Stapleton as the birth surname of
I personally see no problem accepting that Mary and Christian's father bore the same surname as their mother.
As for other news, this past week I located a Common Pleas lawsuit dated Easter term 1451, which proves that Margery, the 2nd wife and surviving widow of John Stapleton, Esq. (he died c. 1450), was previously the wife of Sir Edward Sprenghose [Sprengeaux] (died 1417). A modern biography of Sir Edward Sprenghose can be found in Roskell, Members of Parliament, at the following weblink:.
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/sprenghose-edward-1417
As indicated by Roskell, Edward Sprenghose was Sheriff of Shropshire in 1410-1411, which statement is supported by the published list of Shropshire medieval sheriffs:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hnkhj8&view=1up&seq=222&skin=2021&q1=Stepultonmen had a wife named Mary. It was the Bescot man who was involved in the 1451 fine which you've cited in your post, not his nephew Robert, of Church Bickenhall, Warwickshire. Robert of Church Bickenhall is the one who married Mary Stapleton.
<Robert Mountfort had married Mary by 1451, see CP 25/1/293/72, number 362: <
< http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_293_72.shtml Regarding the marriage date of Robert and Mary Montfort, you appear to have confused two different Robert Montfort's, one of Bescot (in Walsall), Staffordshire, the other of Church Bickenhall, Warwickshire. The two men were uncle and nephew, and both
For further particulars of Robert Montfort of Bescot, see VCH Stafford 17 (1976): 169-175, at the following weblink:
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/staffs/vol17/pp169-175
Douglas Richardson, Author
Below is an abstract of the newly discovered 1451 Common Pleas lawsuit which I mentioned in my previous post:and John Tommys, clerk, of Campeden [Campden], Gloucestershire, executors of the will of Leonard Stepulton, Esq., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £40.
In Easter term 1451 Margery, widow of John Stepulton, late the wife of Edward Sprengeaux, Knt., Thomas Hord, and Thomas Acton, executors of the will of John Stepulton, sued Joyce, widow of Walter Beauchamp, Knt., of Sezincote, Gloucestershire, widow,
Reference:
Court of Common Pleas, CP40/761, image 110f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no761/aCP40no761fronts/IMG_0110.htm).
DR
On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 12:00:48 AM UTC, Douglas Richardson wrote:and John Tommys, clerk, of Campeden [Campden], Gloucestershire, executors of the will of Leonard Stepulton, Esq., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £40.
Below is an abstract of the newly discovered 1451 Common Pleas lawsuit which I mentioned in my previous post:
In Easter term 1451 Margery, widow of John Stepulton, late the wife of Edward Sprengeaux, Knt., Thomas Hord, and Thomas Acton, executors of the will of John Stepulton, sued Joyce, widow of Walter Beauchamp, Knt., of Sezincote, Gloucestershire, widow,
Reference:
Court of Common Pleas, CP40/761, image 110f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no761/aCP40no761fronts/IMG_0110.htm).
DRMany thanks for this. There is another reference to Margery here:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/Indices/CP40Indices/CP40no629/CP40no629Cty.htm
d 880 Bucks dower Carvell, William; Elizabeth, his wife Sprenchose, Margery, formerly wife of Edward Sprenchose, knight
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