I have never had much luck figuring out the Devereux family. I started down this path is trying to understand the interconnections among certain families: Morgan, Vaughan, Devereux, de le Bere, Herbert, Wogan, and Harewell. Looking at Devereux recentlyI noticed Wikipedia had:
William Devereux, d. 1265 at Evesham as the son of a daughter of Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, and Maud Marshal.Roger Bigod, Earl ... half of one knight’s fee in Runston and the vill of St. Petr in Netherwent as his right, whereof he says William Devereux, his father, was seised in the time of King Henry III. … into which as the Earl did not have entry, except
I find no such marriage in Magna Carta Ancestry. The claimed support is The Welsh Assize Roll, 1277-1284. (Cardiff: University of Wales, 1940), p. 341 Membrane 44. In effect it appears this source says William, son of William Devereux, claiming against
1. William Devereux (c. 1244–1314) of Lyonshall = Alice Grandison.
2. Walter Devereux (c 1266 - 1305) = Margery de Braose.
3A John Devereux of Manne (1302- )
4. Sir John Devereux K.G. (- 1393) of Whitchurch Maund.
3B. Stephen Devereux (c 1290 - 1350 ) of Bodenham and Burghope = Cicely.
4. William Devereux (c. 1315 -1377) of Bodenham = Anne, daughter of Sir John Barre.
5. Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham (c 1339 -1383) married Maud. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
6A Ann Devereux = Roger Vaughan the elder
7. Sir Roger Vaughan (1377-1415) died Agincourt with his father -in-law. Married Gwladus Verch Dafyd Gam
6B Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham ( - 25 July 1402) m. Agnes Crophull. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
7. Sir Walter Devereux (1387–1419) married about 1409 to Elizabeth Maud Bromwich, daughter of Sir Thomas Bromwich. Fought at Agincourt along with his cousin Sir Roger Vaughan.
8. Sir Walter Devereux (1411 – 22 April 1459), Lord Chancellor of Ireland, married Elizabeth Merbury.
9A. Anne (c. 1430 – after 25 June 1486) married William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke stepson of Sir Roger Vaughan and half-brother of Thomas, Walkin/Walter and Elizabeth Vaughan.
9B Walter Devereaux Lord Ferrers of Chartley in right of his wife (c.1432 – 22 August 1485). Killed fighting for Richard III at Bosworth Field.
I think 7-9B are supportable, at least Richardson agrees. 6A back is not all that clear.
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 8:36:06 PM UTC-7, jma...@msn.com wrote:recently I noticed Wikipedia had:
I have never had much luck figuring out the Devereux family. I started down this path is trying to understand the interconnections among certain families: Morgan, Vaughan, Devereux, de le Bere, Herbert, Wogan, and Harewell. Looking at Devereux
against Roger Bigod, Earl ... half of one knight’s fee in Runston and the vill of St. Petr in Netherwent as his right, whereof he says William Devereux, his father, was seised in the time of King Henry III. … into which as the Earl did not have entry,William Devereux, d. 1265 at Evesham as the son of a daughter of Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, and Maud Marshal.
I find no such marriage in Magna Carta Ancestry. The claimed support is The Welsh Assize Roll, 1277-1284. (Cardiff: University of Wales, 1940), p. 341 Membrane 44. In effect it appears this source says William, son of William Devereux, claiming
1. William Devereux (c. 1244–1314) of Lyonshall = Alice Grandison.
2. Walter Devereux (c 1266 - 1305) = Margery de Braose.
3A John Devereux of Manne (1302- )
4. Sir John Devereux K.G. (- 1393) of Whitchurch Maund.
3B. Stephen Devereux (c 1290 - 1350 ) of Bodenham and Burghope = Cicely. 4. William Devereux (c. 1315 -1377) of Bodenham = Anne, daughter of Sir John Barre.
5. Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham (c 1339 -1383) married Maud. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
6A Ann Devereux = Roger Vaughan the elder
7. Sir Roger Vaughan (1377-1415) died Agincourt with his father -in-law. Married Gwladus Verch Dafyd Gam
6B Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham ( - 25 July 1402) m. Agnes Crophull. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
7. Sir Walter Devereux (1387–1419) married about 1409 to Elizabeth Maud Bromwich, daughter of Sir Thomas Bromwich. Fought at Agincourt along with his cousin Sir Roger Vaughan.
8. Sir Walter Devereux (1411 – 22 April 1459), Lord Chancellor of Ireland, married Elizabeth Merbury.
9A. Anne (c. 1430 – after 25 June 1486) married William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke stepson of Sir Roger Vaughan and half-brother of Thomas, Walkin/Walter and Elizabeth Vaughan.
9B Walter Devereaux Lord Ferrers of Chartley in right of his wife (c.1432 – 22 August 1485). Killed fighting for Richard III at Bosworth Field.
I think 7-9B are supportable, at least Richardson agrees. 6A back is not all that clear.What Wikipedia entry?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Devereux
William slain at Evesham, was the son of Stephen by Isabel Cantilupe
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 8:36:06 PM UTC-7, jma...@msn.com wrote:recently I noticed Wikipedia had:
I have never had much luck figuring out the Devereux family. I started down this path is trying to understand the interconnections among certain families: Morgan, Vaughan, Devereux, de le Bere, Herbert, Wogan, and Harewell. Looking at Devereux
against Roger Bigod, Earl ... half of one knight’s fee in Runston and the vill of St. Petr in Netherwent as his right, whereof he says William Devereux, his father, was seised in the time of King Henry III. … into which as the Earl did not have entry,William Devereux, d. 1265 at Evesham as the son of a daughter of Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, and Maud Marshal.
I find no such marriage in Magna Carta Ancestry. The claimed support is The Welsh Assize Roll, 1277-1284. (Cardiff: University of Wales, 1940), p. 341 Membrane 44. In effect it appears this source says William, son of William Devereux, claiming
1. William Devereux (c. 1244–1314) of Lyonshall = Alice Grandison.
2. Walter Devereux (c 1266 - 1305) = Margery de Braose.
3A John Devereux of Manne (1302- )
4. Sir John Devereux K.G. (- 1393) of Whitchurch Maund.
3B. Stephen Devereux (c 1290 - 1350 ) of Bodenham and Burghope = Cicely. 4. William Devereux (c. 1315 -1377) of Bodenham = Anne, daughter of Sir John Barre.
5. Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham (c 1339 -1383) married Maud. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
6A Ann Devereux = Roger Vaughan the elder
7. Sir Roger Vaughan (1377-1415) died Agincourt with his father -in-law. Married Gwladus Verch Dafyd Gam
6B Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham ( - 25 July 1402) m. Agnes Crophull. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
7. Sir Walter Devereux (1387–1419) married about 1409 to Elizabeth Maud Bromwich, daughter of Sir Thomas Bromwich. Fought at Agincourt along with his cousin Sir Roger Vaughan.
8. Sir Walter Devereux (1411 – 22 April 1459), Lord Chancellor of Ireland, married Elizabeth Merbury.
9A. Anne (c. 1430 – after 25 June 1486) married William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke stepson of Sir Roger Vaughan and half-brother of Thomas, Walkin/Walter and Elizabeth Vaughan.
9B Walter Devereaux Lord Ferrers of Chartley in right of his wife (c.1432 – 22 August 1485). Killed fighting for Richard III at Bosworth Field.
I think 7-9B are supportable, at least Richardson agrees. 6A back is not all that clear.What Wikipedia entry?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Devereux
William slain at Evesham, was the son of Stephen by Isabel Cantilupe
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 8:36:06 PM UTC-7, jma...@msn.com wrote:recently I noticed Wikipedia had:
I have never had much luck figuring out the Devereux family. I started down this path is trying to understand the interconnections among certain families: Morgan, Vaughan, Devereux, de le Bere, Herbert, Wogan, and Harewell. Looking at Devereux
against Roger Bigod, Earl ... half of one knight’s fee in Runston and the vill of St. Petr in Netherwent as his right, whereof he says William Devereux, his father, was seised in the time of King Henry III. … into which as the Earl did not have entry,William Devereux, d. 1265 at Evesham as the son of a daughter of Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, and Maud Marshal.
I find no such marriage in Magna Carta Ancestry. The claimed support is The Welsh Assize Roll, 1277-1284. (Cardiff: University of Wales, 1940), p. 341 Membrane 44. In effect it appears this source says William, son of William Devereux, claiming
1. William Devereux (c. 1244–1314) of Lyonshall = Alice Grandison.
2. Walter Devereux (c 1266 - 1305) = Margery de Braose.
3A John Devereux of Manne (1302- )
4. Sir John Devereux K.G. (- 1393) of Whitchurch Maund.
3B. Stephen Devereux (c 1290 - 1350 ) of Bodenham and Burghope = Cicely.
4. William Devereux (c. 1315 -1377) of Bodenham = Anne, daughter of Sir John Barre.
5. Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham (c 1339 -1383) married Maud. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
6A Ann Devereux = Roger Vaughan the elder
7. Sir Roger Vaughan (1377-1415) died Agincourt with his father -in-law. Married Gwladus Verch Dafyd Gam
6B Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham ( - 25 July 1402) m. Agnes Crophull. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
7. Sir Walter Devereux (1387–1419) married about 1409 to Elizabeth Maud Bromwich, daughter of Sir Thomas Bromwich. Fought at Agincourt along with his cousin Sir Roger Vaughan.
8. Sir Walter Devereux (1411 – 22 April 1459), Lord Chancellor of Ireland, married Elizabeth Merbury.
9A. Anne (c. 1430 – after 25 June 1486) married William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke stepson of Sir Roger Vaughan and half-brother of Thomas, Walkin/Walter and Elizabeth Vaughan.
9B Walter Devereaux Lord Ferrers of Chartley in right of his wife (c.1432 – 22 August 1485). Killed fighting for Richard III at Bosworth Field.
I think 7-9B are supportable, at least Richardson agrees. 6A back is not all that clear.
What Wikipedia entry?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Devereux
William slain at Evesham, was the son of Stephen by Isabel Cantilupe
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 5:58:58 PM UTC-4, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:recently I noticed Wikipedia had:
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 8:36:06 PM UTC-7, jma...@msn.com wrote:
I have never had much luck figuring out the Devereux family. I started down this path is trying to understand the interconnections among certain families: Morgan, Vaughan, Devereux, de le Bere, Herbert, Wogan, and Harewell. Looking at Devereux
against Roger Bigod, Earl ... half of one knight’s fee in Runston and the vill of St. Petr in Netherwent as his right, whereof he says William Devereux, his father, was seised in the time of King Henry III. … into which as the Earl did not have entry,William Devereux, d. 1265 at Evesham as the son of a daughter of Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, and Maud Marshal.
I find no such marriage in Magna Carta Ancestry. The claimed support is The Welsh Assize Roll, 1277-1284. (Cardiff: University of Wales, 1940), p. 341 Membrane 44. In effect it appears this source says William, son of William Devereux, claiming
play a major role in the events of his life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Devereux,_Baron_Devereux_of_LyonshallWhat Wikipedia entry?
1. William Devereux (c. 1244–1314) of Lyonshall = Alice Grandison.
2. Walter Devereux (c 1266 - 1305) = Margery de Braose.
3A John Devereux of Manne (1302- )
4. Sir John Devereux K.G. (- 1393) of Whitchurch Maund.
3B. Stephen Devereux (c 1290 - 1350 ) of Bodenham and Burghope = Cicely. >>> 4. William Devereux (c. 1315 -1377) of Bodenham = Anne, daughter of Sir John Barre.
5. Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham (c 1339 -1383) married Maud. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
6A Ann Devereux = Roger Vaughan the elder
7. Sir Roger Vaughan (1377-1415) died Agincourt with his father -in-law. Married Gwladus Verch Dafyd Gam
6B Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham ( - 25 July 1402) m. Agnes Crophull. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
7. Sir Walter Devereux (1387–1419) married about 1409 to Elizabeth Maud Bromwich, daughter of Sir Thomas Bromwich. Fought at Agincourt along with his cousin Sir Roger Vaughan.
8. Sir Walter Devereux (1411 – 22 April 1459), Lord Chancellor of Ireland, married Elizabeth Merbury.
9A. Anne (c. 1430 – after 25 June 1486) married William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke stepson of Sir Roger Vaughan and half-brother of Thomas, Walkin/Walter and Elizabeth Vaughan.
9B Walter Devereaux Lord Ferrers of Chartley in right of his wife (c.1432 – 22 August 1485). Killed fighting for Richard III at Bosworth Field.
I think 7-9B are supportable, at least Richardson agrees. 6A back is not all that clear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Devereux
William slain at Evesham, was the son of Stephen by Isabel Cantilupe
"William Devereux was born about 1244, the son of the powerful marcher lord, William Devereux the Elder,[2][3] and a daughter of Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, and Maud Marshal.[4]
His mother died while he was still a young child, and his father married a second time to Maud de Giffard about 1258.[2][b] Her brothers, Walter de Giffard[2] and Godfrey de Giffard, both became Lord Chancellors of England, and the Giffard family would
On 09-Sep-21 11:46 AM, jma...@msn.com wrote:recently I noticed Wikipedia had:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 5:58:58 PM UTC-4, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 8:36:06 PM UTC-7, jma...@msn.com wrote: >>> I have never had much luck figuring out the Devereux family. I started down this path is trying to understand the interconnections among certain families: Morgan, Vaughan, Devereux, de le Bere, Herbert, Wogan, and Harewell. Looking at Devereux
against Roger Bigod, Earl ... half of one knight’s fee in Runston and the vill of St. Petr in Netherwent as his right, whereof he says William Devereux, his father, was seised in the time of King Henry III. … into which as the Earl did not have entry,William Devereux, d. 1265 at Evesham as the son of a daughter of Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, and Maud Marshal.
I find no such marriage in Magna Carta Ancestry. The claimed support is The Welsh Assize Roll, 1277-1284. (Cardiff: University of Wales, 1940), p. 341 Membrane 44. In effect it appears this source says William, son of William Devereux, claiming
would play a major role in the events of his life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Devereux,_Baron_Devereux_of_LyonshallWhat Wikipedia entry?
1. William Devereux (c. 1244–1314) of Lyonshall = Alice Grandison.
2. Walter Devereux (c 1266 - 1305) = Margery de Braose.
3A John Devereux of Manne (1302- )
4. Sir John Devereux K.G. (- 1393) of Whitchurch Maund.
3B. Stephen Devereux (c 1290 - 1350 ) of Bodenham and Burghope = Cicely. >>> 4. William Devereux (c. 1315 -1377) of Bodenham = Anne, daughter of Sir John Barre.
5. Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham (c 1339 -1383) married Maud. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
6A Ann Devereux = Roger Vaughan the elder
7. Sir Roger Vaughan (1377-1415) died Agincourt with his father -in-law. Married Gwladus Verch Dafyd Gam
6B Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham ( - 25 July 1402) m. Agnes Crophull. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
7. Sir Walter Devereux (1387–1419) married about 1409 to Elizabeth Maud Bromwich, daughter of Sir Thomas Bromwich. Fought at Agincourt along with his cousin Sir Roger Vaughan.
8. Sir Walter Devereux (1411 – 22 April 1459), Lord Chancellor of Ireland, married Elizabeth Merbury.
9A. Anne (c. 1430 – after 25 June 1486) married William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke stepson of Sir Roger Vaughan and half-brother of Thomas, Walkin/Walter and Elizabeth Vaughan.
9B Walter Devereaux Lord Ferrers of Chartley in right of his wife (c.1432 – 22 August 1485). Killed fighting for Richard III at Bosworth Field.
I think 7-9B are supportable, at least Richardson agrees. 6A back is not all that clear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Devereux
William slain at Evesham, was the son of Stephen by Isabel Cantilupe
"William Devereux was born about 1244, the son of the powerful marcher lord, William Devereux the Elder,[2][3] and a daughter of Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, and Maud Marshal.[4]
His mother died while he was still a young child, and his father married a second time to Maud de Giffard about 1258.[2][b] Her brothers, Walter de Giffard[2] and Godfrey de Giffard, both became Lord Chancellors of England, and the Giffard family
This William Devereux born ca 1244 died in 1314 according to the pageI read that to say his father William (1219–1265) died at Evesham and lost the patrimony. The loss of patrimony and the effort to recover it is played out in the law suits of the subsequent generations. Ultimately Sir John Devereux K.G. (- 1393) of
linked above, not at Evesham in 1265.
Peter Stewart
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 11:18:21 PM UTC-4, pss...@optusnet.com.au wrote:recently I noticed Wikipedia had:
On 09-Sep-21 11:46 AM, jma...@msn.com wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 5:58:58 PM UTC-4, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 8:36:06 PM UTC-7, jma...@msn.com wrote: >>>>> I have never had much luck figuring out the Devereux family. I started down this path is trying to understand the interconnections among certain families: Morgan, Vaughan, Devereux, de le Bere, Herbert, Wogan, and Harewell. Looking at Devereux
against Roger Bigod, Earl ... half of one knight’s fee in Runston and the vill of St. Petr in Netherwent as his right, whereof he says William Devereux, his father, was seised in the time of King Henry III. … into which as the Earl did not have entry,William Devereux, d. 1265 at Evesham as the son of a daughter of Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, and Maud Marshal.
I find no such marriage in Magna Carta Ancestry. The claimed support is The Welsh Assize Roll, 1277-1284. (Cardiff: University of Wales, 1940), p. 341 Membrane 44. In effect it appears this source says William, son of William Devereux, claiming
would play a major role in the events of his life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Devereux,_Baron_Devereux_of_LyonshallWhat Wikipedia entry?
1. William Devereux (c. 1244–1314) of Lyonshall = Alice Grandison. >>>>> 2. Walter Devereux (c 1266 - 1305) = Margery de Braose.
3A John Devereux of Manne (1302- )
4. Sir John Devereux K.G. (- 1393) of Whitchurch Maund.
3B. Stephen Devereux (c 1290 - 1350 ) of Bodenham and Burghope = Cicely. >>>>> 4. William Devereux (c. 1315 -1377) of Bodenham = Anne, daughter of Sir John Barre.
5. Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham (c 1339 -1383) married Maud. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
6A Ann Devereux = Roger Vaughan the elder
7. Sir Roger Vaughan (1377-1415) died Agincourt with his father -in-law. Married Gwladus Verch Dafyd Gam
6B Sir Walter Devereux of Bodenham ( - 25 July 1402) m. Agnes Crophull. Member of Parliament, sheriff, and Justice of the Peace for Hereford.
7. Sir Walter Devereux (1387–1419) married about 1409 to Elizabeth Maud Bromwich, daughter of Sir Thomas Bromwich. Fought at Agincourt along with his cousin Sir Roger Vaughan.
8. Sir Walter Devereux (1411 – 22 April 1459), Lord Chancellor of Ireland, married Elizabeth Merbury.
9A. Anne (c. 1430 – after 25 June 1486) married William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke stepson of Sir Roger Vaughan and half-brother of Thomas, Walkin/Walter and Elizabeth Vaughan.
9B Walter Devereaux Lord Ferrers of Chartley in right of his wife (c.1432 – 22 August 1485). Killed fighting for Richard III at Bosworth Field.
I think 7-9B are supportable, at least Richardson agrees. 6A back is not all that clear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Devereux
William slain at Evesham, was the son of Stephen by Isabel Cantilupe
"William Devereux was born about 1244, the son of the powerful marcher lord, William Devereux the Elder,[2][3] and a daughter of Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, and Maud Marshal.[4]
His mother died while he was still a young child, and his father married a second time to Maud de Giffard about 1258.[2][b] Her brothers, Walter de Giffard[2] and Godfrey de Giffard, both became Lord Chancellors of England, and the Giffard family
Whitchurch Maund recovered Lyonshall. Details and spouses aside, I think the line from 3B. Stephen Devereux (c 1290 - 1350) back to William (1219–1265) is likely correct. The line from 9B Walter Devereaux Lord Ferrers of Chartley to 6B Sir WalterI read that to say his father William (1219–1265) died at Evesham and lost the patrimony. The loss of patrimony and the effort to recover it is played out in the law suits of the subsequent generations. Ultimately Sir John Devereux K.G. (- 1393) ofThis William Devereux born ca 1244 died in 1314 according to the page
linked above, not at Evesham in 1265.
Peter Stewart
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