• How the Kremlin Is Forcing Ukrainians to Adopt Russian Life

    From David P.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 3 01:12:01 2022
    How the Kremlin Is Forcing Ukrainians to Adopt Russian Life
    By Troianovski, Hopkins, Santora & Schwirtz, July 30, 2022, NY Times

    They have handed out Russian passports, cellphone numbers and set-top boxes for watching Russian television. They have replaced Ukrainian currency with the ruble, rerouted the internet through Russian servers and arrested hundreds who have resisted
    assimilation.

    In ways big and small, the occupying authorities on territory seized by Moscow’s forces are using fear and indoctrination to compel Ukrainians to adopt a Russian way of life. “We are one people,” blue-white-and-red billboards say. “We are with
    Russia.”

    Now comes the next act in President Vladimir V. Putin’s 21st-century version of a war of conquest: the grass-roots “referendum.”

    Russia-appointed administrators in towns, villages and cities like Kherson in Ukraine’s south are setting the stage for a vote as early as September that the Kremlin will present as a popular desire in the region to become part of Russia. They are
    recruiting pro-Russia locals for new “election commissions” and promoting to Ukrainian civilians the putative benefits of joining their country; they are even reportedly printing the ballots already.

    Any referendum would be totally illegitimate, Ukrainian and Western officials say, but it would carry ominous consequences. Analysts both in Moscow and Ukraine expect that it would serve as a prelude to Mr. Putin’s officially declaring the conquered
    area to be Russian territory, protected by Russian nuclear weapons — making future attempts by Kyiv to drive out Russian forces potentially much more costly.

    Annexation would also represent Europe’s biggest territorial expansion by force since World War II, affecting an area several times larger than Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula that Mr. Putin took over in 2014.

    The prospect of another annexation has affected the military timetable as well, putting pressure on Kyiv to try a risky counteroffensive sooner, rather than waiting for more long-range Western weapons to arrive that would raise the chances of success.

    “Carrying out a referendum is not hard at all,” Vladimir Konstantinov, the speaker of the Russian-imposed Crimean Parliament, said in a phone interview this week. “They will ask: ‘Take us under your guardianship, under your development, under
    your security.’”

    Konstantinov, a longtime pro-Russia politician in Crimea, sat next to Mr. Putin at the Kremlin when the Russian president signed the document annexing the peninsula to Russia. He also helped organize the Crimean “referendum” in which 97% voted in
    favor of joining Russia — a result widely rejected by the international community as a sham.

    Now, Konstantinov said, he is in constant touch with the Russian-imposed occupying authorities in the neighboring Kherson region, which Russian troops captured early in the war. He said that the authorities had told him a few days ago that they had
    started printing ballots, with the aim of holding a vote in September.

    Kherson is one of four regions in which officials are signaling planned referendums, along with Zaporizhzhia in the south and Luhansk and Donetsk in the east. While the Kremlin claims it will be up to the area’s residents to “determine their own
    future,” Putin last month hinted he expected to annex the regions outright: he compared the war in Ukraine with Peter the Great’s wars of conquest in the 18th c. and said that, like the Russian czar, “it has also fallen to us to return” lost
    Russian territory.

    At the same time, the Kremlin appears to be keeping its options open by offering few specifics. Aleksei Chesnakov, a Moscow political consultant who has advised the Kremlin on Ukraine policy, said Moscow viewed referendums on joining Russia as its “
    base scenario” — though preparations for a potential vote were not yet complete. He declined to say whether he was involved in the process himself.

    “The referendum scenario looks to be realistic and the priority in the absence of signals from Kyiv about readiness for negotiations on a settlement,” Chesnakov said in a written response to questions. “The legal and political vacuum, of course,
    needs to be filled.”

    As a result, a scramble to mobilize the residents of Russian-occupied territories for a referendum is increasingly visible on the ground — portrayed as the initiative of local leaders.

    The Russian-appointed authorities of the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions, for instance, announced this week that they were forming “election commissions” to prepare for referendums, which one official said could happen on Sept. 11 — a day when
    local and regional elections are scheduled to be held across Russia.

    The announcement invited residents to apply to join the election commission by submitting a passport copy, education records and two I.D.-size photographs.

    Officials are accompanying preparations for a vote with an intensified propaganda campaign — priming both the area’s residents as well as the domestic audience in Russia for a looming annexation. A new pro-Russian newspaper in the Zaporizhzhia region
    titled its second issue last week with the headline: “The referendum will be!” On the marquee weekly news show on Russian state TV last Sunday, a report promised that “everything is being done to ensure that Kherson returns to its historical
    homeland as soon as possible.”

    “Russia is beginning to roll out a version of what you could call an annexation playbook,” John Kirby, the spokesman for the U.S. National Security Council, said this month, comparing the referendum preparations with the Kremlin’s moves in 2014 to
    try to justify its annexation of Crimea. “Annexation by force will be a gross violation of the U.N. Charter and we will not allow it to go unchallenged or unpunished.”

    In Kyiv, Ukraine’s capital, officials say any referendum on merging with Russia or forming a Russian client state in occupied areas would be illegal, riddled with fraud and do nothing to legitimize land seizures.

    For Ukrainian civilians, the occupation has been accompanied by myriad hardships, including shortages of cash and medicine — a situation the Russians try to exploit to win allegiance from locals by distributing “humanitarian aid.”

    Those seeking a sense of normalcy are being incentivized to apply for a Russian passport, which is now required for things like registering a motor vehicle or certain types of businesses; newborns and orphans are automatically registered as Russian
    citizens.

    “There’s no money in Kherson, there’s no work in Kherson,” said Andrei, 33, who worked in the service department of a car dealership in the city before the war. He left his home in the city with his wife and small child in early July and moved to
    western Ukraine.

    “Kherson has returned to the 90s when only vodka, beer and cigarettes were for sale,” he said.

    After taking control in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, Russian forces sought out pro-Kremlin Ukrainian officials and installed them in government positions.

    At the same time, they engaged in a continuing campaign to stifle dissent that included abducting, torturing and executing political and cultural leaders who were deemed a threat, according to witnesses interviewed by The New York Times, Western and
    Ukrainian officials, and independent humanitarian groups like Human Rights Watch.

    Russian occupiers cut off access to Ukrainian cellular service, and limited the availability of YouTube and a popular messaging app, Viber. They introduced the ruble and started changing the school curriculum to the Russian one — which increasingly
    seeks to indoctrinate children with Mr. Putin’s worldview.

    A top priority appears to have been to get locals watching Russian television: Russian state broadcasting employees in Crimea were deployed to Kherson to start a news show called “Kherson and Zaporizhzhia 24,” and set-top boxes giving access to the
    Russian airwaves were distributed for free — or even delivered to residents not able to pick them up in person.

    In an interview late last month, Ihor Kolykhaiev, the mayor of the city of Kherson since 2020, said the Russian propaganda, coupled with the feeling of being abandoned by the government in Kyiv, was slowly succeeding in changing the perceptions of some
    residents who have stayed behind — mainly pensioners and people with low incomes.

    “I think that something is changing in relationships, probably in people’s habits,” he said, estimating that 5 to 10 percent of his constituents had changed their mind because of the propaganda.

    “This is an irreversible process that will happen in the future,” he added. “And that’s what I’m really worried about. Then it will be almost impossible to restore it.”

    Kolykhaiev spoke in a video interview from a makeshift office in Kherson. Days later, his assistant announced he had been abducted by pro-Russian occupying forces. As of Friday, he had not been heard from.

    Putin has referred to Kherson and other parts of Ukraine’s southeast as Novorossiya, or New Russia — the region’s name after it was conquered by Catherine the Great in the 18th century and became part of the Russian Empire. In recent years,
    nostalgia in the region for the Soviet past and skepticism of the pro-Western government in Kyiv still lingered among older generations, even as the region was forging a new Ukrainian identity.

    But early in the occupation this spring, residents of Kherson gathered repeatedly for large, boisterous protests to challenge Russian troops even if they provoked gunfire in response. This open confrontation has largely ended, according to a 30-year-old
    lifelong Kherson resident, Ivan, who remains in the city and asked that his last name be withheld because of the risks of speaking out publicly.

    “As soon as there is a large gathering of people, soldiers appear immediately,” he said by phone. “It’s really life-threatening at this point.”

    Still signs of resistance are evident, residents said.

    “Our people go out at night and paint Ukrainian flags,” said another man, Andrei. “In yellow and blue letters they paint, ‘We believe in the Ukrainian Armed Forces.’

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/30/world/europe/russia-occupation-ukraine-kherson.html

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 5 18:32:57 2022
    XPost: soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.ukrainian

    How the Kremlin Is Forcing Ukrainians to Adopt Russian Life
    By Troianovski, Hopkins, Santora & Schwirtz, July 30, 2022, NY Times

    They have handed out Russian passports, cellphone numbers and set-top boxes for watching Russian television. They have replaced Ukrainian currency with the ruble, rerouted the internet through Russian servers and arrested hundreds who have resisted assimilation.

    "Assimilation" is a thing that may happen throughout generations and
    centuries. It doesn't happen throughout weeks. The fact the writers abuse
    this term exposes their idiotist zeal.

    Just recently there was a scandal in Sweden <https://tinyurl.com/2cfqv8ld>
    when one of their major TV channels <https://is.gd/srdspM> showed how the locals in Kherson celebrate, with sincere joy, the acquisition of the
    Russia's citizenship. This is because they expect Russia will provide more comfortable life for them. Comfortable in both cultural sense (no more
    those moronic thugs with Nazi tattoos seeking to forcibly impose the
    Banderist version of "ukrainization") and economic sense (higher incomes
    and more socially oriented state policies). The Swedish TV channel feebly excused itself by claiming they simply used the videos made by the Reuters agency. Nonetheless, it was qualified as "Russian disinformation", because
    the channel showed the videos as is, without an anti-Russia narration.

    Any referendum would be totally illegitimate, Ukrainian and Western
    officials say, but it would carry ominous consequences. Analysts both in

    It doesn't matter what they say there.

    Annexation would also represent Europe's biggest territorial expansion by force since World War II, affecting an area several times larger than
    Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula that Mr. Putin took over in 2014.

    The Ukraine might be preserved as a whole if the Kremlin's initial "blitz"
    plan worked so that a saner government in Kiev could be established instead
    of the present bunch of the cocaine-driven mad freaks. Since the plan had failed, the "plan B" now seems to be to sanize what is possible to sanize.
    The 2014 West-backed anti-democratic coup produced a lot of insanity there.

    the Crimean "referendum" in
    which 97% voted in favor of joining Russia - a result widely rejected by the international community as a sham.

    This notorious "international community" has become itself a sham.

    | May 2014, American Pew found "Crimean residents are almost universally
    | positive toward Russia .. Overwhelming majorities say the March 16th
    | referendum was free and fair (91%)" <https://is.gd/agkuT2>

    | Gallup poll (sponsored by the U.S. government, suddenly), in June 2014
    | <https://is.gd/xptTX9> (page 28) had found that the vast majority of the
    | Crimeans agree that the referendum expressed their will fairly.

    | In February 2015, the major German pollster GfK had found similar results
    | <https://is.gd/Yhm15G>: when Crimeans were asked "do you endorse Russia's
    | annexation" 93% gave positive response while only 4% said they dislike it.

    Crimea is now a good example for the people of Kherson. Recently, transport links - for trains, buses, private cars - have been opened between Crimea
    and the southern (post-)Ukraine. So, many locals now could visit Crimea and
    see firsthand how life there has improved against the Ukraine, which also contributes to their pro-Russia sentiment.

    "Kherson has returned to the 90s when only vodka, beer and cigarettes were for sale," he said.

    <https://youtu.be/2Eua2OGc5yg>
    <https://youtu.be/4nFhhk1uUCs>
    <https://youtu.be/kmPzfcPSUEI>

    Everything is there for sale, but prices of some goods are higher against "normal", which is a temporary issue due to the fact the trade logistics are temporarily hampered.

    Still signs of resistance are evident, residents said.
    "Our people go out at night and paint Ukrainian flags," said another man, Andrei. "In yellow and blue letters they paint, 'We believe in the Ukrainian Armed Forces.'

    It's notable that within these "occupied territories" there's nothing that might resemble grassroot guerrilla-like activities. Some displeased always
    are, but there's no anything remotely close to "mass resistance". The Kiev regime sends diversionist groups, of course, that seek to commit terrorist
    acts (to kill "collaborators" or simply blow up something in public spaces), but this is not from the grassroots. Instead, some pro-Russia activism is
    quite evident in the Kiev-controlled territory. The regime had to admit recently there are "thousands of traitors" using the internet to report to Russia the exact locations of their military deployments.

    It has something to do with the speculation that "Putin won't stop, he will
    go further". I believe the Kremlin has no plans to intrude into areas where Russia would be seen as an alien unwelcomed invader. And quite a large part
    of the Russia's patriots, which includes even some of the most hawkish ones, share the idea that it would be nice if Poland or Hungary took control over
    the West Ukraine and sorted out the Banderites issue there themselves, on
    their own, without Russia.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Sat Aug 6 04:40:23 2022
    On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 11:34:14 AM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    How the Kremlin Is Forcing Ukrainians to Adopt Russian Life
    By Troianovski, Hopkins, Santora & Schwirtz, July 30, 2022, NY Times

    They have handed out Russian passports, cellphone numbers and set-top boxes for watching Russian television. They have replaced Ukrainian currency with the ruble, rerouted the internet through Russian servers and arrested hundreds who have resisted assimilation.
    "Assimilation" is a thing that may happen throughout generations and centuries. It doesn't happen throughout weeks. The fact the writers abuse this term exposes their idiotist zeal.

    Idiotist zeal is the right description.
    I had subscripted the WSJ in the past. But its non-US coverage is getting more idiotic in general during the past years.


    Just recently there was a scandal in Sweden <https://tinyurl.com/2cfqv8ld> when one of their major TV channels <https://is.gd/srdspM> showed how the locals in Kherson celebrate, with sincere joy, the acquisition of the Russia's citizenship. This is because they expect Russia will provide more comfortable life for them. Comfortable in both cultural sense (no more
    those moronic thugs with Nazi tattoos seeking to forcibly impose the Banderist version of "ukrainization") and economic sense (higher incomes
    and more socially oriented state policies). The Swedish TV channel feebly excused itself by claiming they simply used the videos made by the Reuters agency. Nonetheless, it was qualified as "Russian disinformation", because the channel showed the videos as is, without an anti-Russia narration.
    Any referendum would be totally illegitimate, Ukrainian and Western officials say, but it would carry ominous consequences. Analysts both in
    It doesn't matter what they say there.
    Annexation would also represent Europe's biggest territorial expansion by force since World War II, affecting an area several times larger than Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula that Mr. Putin took over in 2014.
    The Ukraine might be preserved as a whole if the Kremlin's initial "blitz" plan worked so that a saner government in Kiev could be established instead of the present bunch of the cocaine-driven mad freaks. Since the plan had failed, the "plan B" now seems to be to sanize what is possible to sanize. The 2014 West-backed anti-democratic coup produced a lot of insanity there.

    the Crimean "referendum" in
    which 97% voted in favor of joining Russia - a result widely rejected by the
    international community as a sham.
    This notorious "international community" has become itself a sham.

    | May 2014, American Pew found "Crimean residents are almost universally
    | positive toward Russia .. Overwhelming majorities say the March 16th
    | referendum was free and fair (91%)" <https://is.gd/agkuT2>

    | Gallup poll (sponsored by the U.S. government, suddenly), in June 2014
    | <https://is.gd/xptTX9> (page 28) had found that the vast majority of the
    | Crimeans agree that the referendum expressed their will fairly.

    | In February 2015, the major German pollster GfK had found similar results
    | <https://is.gd/Yhm15G>: when Crimeans were asked "do you endorse Russia's
    | annexation" 93% gave positive response while only 4% said they dislike it.

    Crimea is now a good example for the people of Kherson. Recently, transport links - for trains, buses, private cars - have been opened between Crimea
    and the southern (post-)Ukraine. So, many locals now could visit Crimea and see firsthand how life there has improved against the Ukraine, which also contributes to their pro-Russia sentiment.
    "Kherson has returned to the 90s when only vodka, beer and cigarettes were for sale," he said.
    <https://youtu.be/2Eua2OGc5yg>
    <https://youtu.be/4nFhhk1uUCs>
    <https://youtu.be/kmPzfcPSUEI>

    Everything is there for sale, but prices of some goods are higher against "normal", which is a temporary issue due to the fact the trade logistics are temporarily hampered.
    Still signs of resistance are evident, residents said.
    "Our people go out at night and paint Ukrainian flags," said another man, Andrei. "In yellow and blue letters they paint, 'We believe in the Ukrainian
    Armed Forces.'

    It's notable that within these "occupied territories" there's nothing that might resemble grassroot guerrilla-like activities. Some displeased always are, but there's no anything remotely close to "mass resistance". The Kiev regime sends diversionist groups, of course, that seek to commit terrorist acts (to kill "collaborators" or simply blow up something in public spaces), but this is not from the grassroots. Instead, some pro-Russia activism is quite evident in the Kiev-controlled territory. The regime had to admit recently there are "thousands of traitors" using the internet to report to Russia the exact locations of their military deployments.

    It has something to do with the speculation that "Putin won't stop, he will go further". I believe the Kremlin has no plans to intrude into areas where Russia would be seen as an alien unwelcomed invader. And quite a large part of the Russia's patriots, which includes even some of the most hawkish ones, share the idea that it would be nice if Poland or Hungary took control over the West Ukraine and sorted out the Banderites issue there themselves, on their own, without Russia.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 6 09:16:04 2022
    On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 4:40:25 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 11:34:14 AM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    How the Kremlin Is Forcing Ukrainians to Adopt Russian Life
    By Troianovski, Hopkins, Santora & Schwirtz, July 30, 2022, NY Times

    They have handed out Russian passports, cellphone numbers and set-top boxes
    for watching Russian television. They have replaced Ukrainian currency with
    the ruble, rerouted the internet through Russian servers and arrested hundreds who have resisted assimilation.
    "Assimilation" is a thing that may happen throughout generations and centuries. It doesn't happen throughout weeks. The fact the writers abuse this term exposes their idiotist zeal.
    Idiotist zeal is the right description.
    I had subscripted the WSJ in the past. But its non-US coverage is getting more
    idiotic in general during the past years.

    Maybe China and Russia are the idiots. Not that the USA is so right :-)

    But obviously, Russia is trying to fast forward the assimilation.

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  • From stoney@21:1/5 to David P. on Sat Aug 6 09:58:47 2022
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 4:12:15 PM UTC+8, David P. wrote:
    How the Kremlin Is Forcing Ukrainians to Adopt Russian Life
    By Troianovski, Hopkins, Santora & Schwirtz, July 30, 2022, NY Times

    They have handed out Russian passports, cellphone numbers and set-top boxes for watching Russian television. They have replaced Ukrainian currency with the ruble, rerouted the internet through Russian servers and arrested hundreds who have resisted
    assimilation.

    In ways big and small, the occupying authorities on territory seized by Moscow’s forces are using fear and indoctrination to compel Ukrainians to adopt a Russian way of life. “We are one people,” blue-white-and-red billboards say. “We are with
    Russia.”

    Now comes the next act in President Vladimir V. Putin’s 21st-century version of a war of conquest: the grass-roots “referendum.”

    Russia-appointed administrators in towns, villages and cities like Kherson in Ukraine’s south are setting the stage for a vote as early as September that the Kremlin will present as a popular desire in the region to become part of Russia. They are
    recruiting pro-Russia locals for new “election commissions” and promoting to Ukrainian civilians the putative benefits of joining their country; they are even reportedly printing the ballots already.

    Any referendum would be totally illegitimate, Ukrainian and Western officials say, but it would carry ominous consequences. Analysts both in Moscow and Ukraine expect that it would serve as a prelude to Mr. Putin’s officially declaring the conquered
    area to be Russian territory, protected by Russian nuclear weapons — making future attempts by Kyiv to drive out Russian forces potentially much more costly.

    Annexation would also represent Europe’s biggest territorial expansion by force since World War II, affecting an area several times larger than Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula that Mr. Putin took over in 2014.

    The prospect of another annexation has affected the military timetable as well, putting pressure on Kyiv to try a risky counteroffensive sooner, rather than waiting for more long-range Western weapons to arrive that would raise the chances of success.

    “Carrying out a referendum is not hard at all,” Vladimir Konstantinov, the speaker of the Russian-imposed Crimean Parliament, said in a phone interview this week. “They will ask: ‘Take us under your guardianship, under your development, under
    your security.’”

    Konstantinov, a longtime pro-Russia politician in Crimea, sat next to Mr. Putin at the Kremlin when the Russian president signed the document annexing the peninsula to Russia. He also helped organize the Crimean “referendum” in which 97% voted in
    favor of joining Russia — a result widely rejected by the international community as a sham.

    Now, Konstantinov said, he is in constant touch with the Russian-imposed occupying authorities in the neighboring Kherson region, which Russian troops captured early in the war. He said that the authorities had told him a few days ago that they had
    started printing ballots, with the aim of holding a vote in September.

    Kherson is one of four regions in which officials are signaling planned referendums, along with Zaporizhzhia in the south and Luhansk and Donetsk in the east. While the Kremlin claims it will be up to the area’s residents to “determine their own
    future,” Putin last month hinted he expected to annex the regions outright: he compared the war in Ukraine with Peter the Great’s wars of conquest in the 18th c. and said that, like the Russian czar, “it has also fallen to us to return” lost
    Russian territory.

    At the same time, the Kremlin appears to be keeping its options open by offering few specifics. Aleksei Chesnakov, a Moscow political consultant who has advised the Kremlin on Ukraine policy, said Moscow viewed referendums on joining Russia as its “
    base scenario” — though preparations for a potential vote were not yet complete. He declined to say whether he was involved in the process himself.

    “The referendum scenario looks to be realistic and the priority in the absence of signals from Kyiv about readiness for negotiations on a settlement,” Chesnakov said in a written response to questions. “The legal and political vacuum, of course,
    needs to be filled.”

    As a result, a scramble to mobilize the residents of Russian-occupied territories for a referendum is increasingly visible on the ground — portrayed as the initiative of local leaders.

    The Russian-appointed authorities of the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions, for instance, announced this week that they were forming “election commissions” to prepare for referendums, which one official said could happen on Sept. 11 — a day when
    local and regional elections are scheduled to be held across Russia.

    The announcement invited residents to apply to join the election commission by submitting a passport copy, education records and two I.D.-size photographs.

    Officials are accompanying preparations for a vote with an intensified propaganda campaign — priming both the area’s residents as well as the domestic audience in Russia for a looming annexation. A new pro-Russian newspaper in the Zaporizhzhia
    region titled its second issue last week with the headline: “The referendum will be!” On the marquee weekly news show on Russian state TV last Sunday, a report promised that “everything is being done to ensure that Kherson returns to its historical
    homeland as soon as possible.”

    “Russia is beginning to roll out a version of what you could call an annexation playbook,” John Kirby, the spokesman for the U.S. National Security Council, said this month, comparing the referendum preparations with the Kremlin’s moves in 2014
    to try to justify its annexation of Crimea. “Annexation by force will be a gross violation of the U.N. Charter and we will not allow it to go unchallenged or unpunished.”

    In Kyiv, Ukraine’s capital, officials say any referendum on merging with Russia or forming a Russian client state in occupied areas would be illegal, riddled with fraud and do nothing to legitimize land seizures.

    For Ukrainian civilians, the occupation has been accompanied by myriad hardships, including shortages of cash and medicine — a situation the Russians try to exploit to win allegiance from locals by distributing “humanitarian aid.”

    Those seeking a sense of normalcy are being incentivized to apply for a Russian passport, which is now required for things like registering a motor vehicle or certain types of businesses; newborns and orphans are automatically registered as Russian
    citizens.

    “There’s no money in Kherson, there’s no work in Kherson,” said Andrei, 33, who worked in the service department of a car dealership in the city before the war. He left his home in the city with his wife and small child in early July and moved
    to western Ukraine.

    “Kherson has returned to the 90s when only vodka, beer and cigarettes were for sale,” he said.

    After taking control in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, Russian forces sought out pro-Kremlin Ukrainian officials and installed them in government positions.

    At the same time, they engaged in a continuing campaign to stifle dissent that included abducting, torturing and executing political and cultural leaders who were deemed a threat, according to witnesses interviewed by The New York Times, Western and
    Ukrainian officials, and independent humanitarian groups like Human Rights Watch.

    Russian occupiers cut off access to Ukrainian cellular service, and limited the availability of YouTube and a popular messaging app, Viber. They introduced the ruble and started changing the school curriculum to the Russian one — which increasingly
    seeks to indoctrinate children with Mr. Putin’s worldview.

    A top priority appears to have been to get locals watching Russian television: Russian state broadcasting employees in Crimea were deployed to Kherson to start a news show called “Kherson and Zaporizhzhia 24,” and set-top boxes giving access to the
    Russian airwaves were distributed for free — or even delivered to residents not able to pick them up in person.

    In an interview late last month, Ihor Kolykhaiev, the mayor of the city of Kherson since 2020, said the Russian propaganda, coupled with the feeling of being abandoned by the government in Kyiv, was slowly succeeding in changing the perceptions of some
    residents who have stayed behind — mainly pensioners and people with low incomes.

    “I think that something is changing in relationships, probably in people’s habits,” he said, estimating that 5 to 10 percent of his constituents had changed their mind because of the propaganda.

    “This is an irreversible process that will happen in the future,” he added. “And that’s what I’m really worried about. Then it will be almost impossible to restore it.”

    Kolykhaiev spoke in a video interview from a makeshift office in Kherson. Days later, his assistant announced he had been abducted by pro-Russian occupying forces. As of Friday, he had not been heard from.

    Putin has referred to Kherson and other parts of Ukraine’s southeast as Novorossiya, or New Russia — the region’s name after it was conquered by Catherine the Great in the 18th century and became part of the Russian Empire. In recent years,
    nostalgia in the region for the Soviet past and skepticism of the pro-Western government in Kyiv still lingered among older generations, even as the region was forging a new Ukrainian identity.

    But early in the occupation this spring, residents of Kherson gathered repeatedly for large, boisterous protests to challenge Russian troops even if they provoked gunfire in response. This open confrontation has largely ended, according to a 30-year-
    old lifelong Kherson resident, Ivan, who remains in the city and asked that his last name be withheld because of the risks of speaking out publicly.

    “As soon as there is a large gathering of people, soldiers appear immediately,” he said by phone. “It’s really life-threatening at this point.”

    Still signs of resistance are evident, residents said.

    “Our people go out at night and paint Ukrainian flags,” said another man, Andrei. “In yellow and blue letters they paint, ‘We believe in the Ukrainian Armed Forces.’

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/30/world/europe/russia-occupation-ukraine-kherson.html

    Life cannot be forced nor worked against it. Over time, assimilation takes time to adjust and adapt. There will be obstacles along the way such as getting trusted and accepted, and adapted to their cultures and traditions, too.

    However, if people cannot accept nor meet the Russian lifestyles, they can leave and migrate elsewhere. One can be sure, countries, such as America, will welcome you with ready jobs and pay and long employment tenure, and with cheap gasoline, cars and
    houses, and even cheap offers of cheap rifles or guns, too.

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to David P. on Sat Aug 6 19:39:23 2022
    "David P." <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote:
    How the Kremlin Is Forcing Ukrainians to Adopt Russian Life
    By Troianovski, Hopkins, Santora & Schwirtz, July 30, 2022, NY Times

    They have handed out Russian passports, cellphone numbers and set-top
    boxes for watching Russian television. They have replaced Ukrainian
    currency with the ruble, rerouted the internet through Russian servers
    and arrested hundreds who have resisted assimilation.

    In ways big and small, the occupying authorities on territory seized
    by Moscow’s forces are using fear and indoctrination to compel
    Ukrainians to adopt a Russian way of life. “We are one people,” blue-white-and-red billboards say. “We are with Russia.”
    […]
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/30/world/europe/russia-occupation-ukraine-kherson.html

    What makes you think Russia-Ukraine border had provided clear/sharp
    *ethnic* cut? It would be unusual without in practice forced relocation
    (see Stalin era "shifting" Poland westward).

    Difference between Ukrainians - "citizens of Ukraine" and *ethnic*
    Ukrainians may turn out to be crucial.

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