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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:22:00 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Отделно, сега казват тристаен апартамент на кухня, хол и спалня.
Едно време се брояха само спалните. Горното би било едностаен.

Не, двустаен.

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 05:33:07 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Защо трябва да си купуват апартамент??

Например за да живеят в него.
Или от глупост.

Именно. _Нова_ _къща_ в _София_.

В "Драгалевци" и "Бояна" може би да има такива.

Луксозна къща в Сан Диего евда ли е само милион.

3-4 и нагоре.

Но както казах, чaст от причината е, че в България са маниаци за имоти.
В САЩ значително по-малко.
В накои страни (като Германия и Австрия) почти не. Шампионите са в Азия.
Taм хората си държат спестяванията в имоти.

Една причина е че данъците на къщите в Европа са нищожни ( за сега ).
Китайците, а и българите, тепърва ще разбират че имотите са в много
случаи закопаване на спестяванията, но за сега акъла им е толкова.

В Австрия има едни държавни жилища със смешно малък наем и добра
поддръжка които се наследяват(!?), никой в такова жилище не се напъва
да купува свое.

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 12:40:26 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Средна заплата при двама работещи родители е 5000 лв.

Според повечето хора това е лъжа.
Знам със сигурност че даскалите с 20+ години стаж и класове получават под 2100.

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:10:32 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:05:10 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 12:40:26 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Средна заплата при двама работещи родители е 5000 лв.

Според повечето хора това е лъжа.
Знам със сигурност че даскалите с 20+ години стаж и класове получават
под 2100.

Даскалите с 20+ години стаж едва ли са показателни за средната заплата в
София.

Е, и ИТ и банкерите също едва ли са показателни за средната заплата в
София, ако и да я изкривяват нагоре.

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 05:28:44 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:52:39 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:10:32 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:05:10 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 12:40:26 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Средна заплата при двама работещи родители е 5000 лв.

Според повечето хора това е лъжа.
Знам със сигурност че даскалите с 20+ години стаж и класове
получават под 2100.

Даскалите с 20+ години стаж едва ли са показателни за средната
заплата в София.

Е, и ИТ и банкерите също едва ли са показателни за средната заплата в
София, ако и да я изкривяват нагоре.

Естествено. Точно както апартаментите за 1 000 000 евро не са
показателни за средния апартамент в София (макар да са включени в
определянето на стойността му).

Тогава защо се изхвърляш с такива сметки?

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 08:49:25 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Отделно, сега казват тристаен апартамент на кухня, хол и спалня.
Едно време се брояха само спалните. Горното би било едностаен.

Не, двустаен.

Не, Ник, това много добре помня.
Едно време се почваше от гарсониера и боксониера.

Точно така. Освен това сега броят стените и балконите в площта
на жилищата, така че на практика 100 квм жилище са реално около
65-70 използваема площ.

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On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 09:05:29 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Поне засега да имаш имот никога не е на загуба.

Toва не е верно. В Китай и в Бг е голяма загуба в момента
ако са купени в последните 3-4 години.
А в Америка къщата изисква непрекъсната скъповата поддръжка
и големи годишни данъци..

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On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 09:12:37 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 8:54:23 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 05:28:44 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:52:39 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:10:32 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:05:10 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 12:40:26 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Средна заплата при двама работещи родители е 5000 лв.

Според повечето хора това е лъжа.
Знам със сигурност че даскалите с 20+ години стаж и класове
получават под 2100.

Даскалите с 20+ години стаж едва ли са показателни за средната
заплата в София.

Е, и ИТ и банкерите също едва ли са показателни за средната заплата
в София, ако и да я изкривяват нагоре.

Естествено. Точно както апартаментите за 1 000 000 евро не са
показателни за средния апартамент в София (макар да са включени в
определянето на стойността му).

Тогава защо се изхвърляш с такива сметки?

Ник, средната заплата за София я дават 2800, така че не е много нереална
сметката, друг въпрос е че има хора с много високи заплати в София,
които вдигат средната, а в провинцията е под 2000. Аз имам познати в
София с 1200-1300 лева заплата.

Не сметката е нереална, а средната заплата. Вече го казах. Аз имам повече
познати с такива заплати и по-малко с по-високи.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 10:24:56 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

НО interest

Toва какво е?

and taxes are deductible

Данъка няма как да е.

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 16:03:54 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:24:08 PM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 10:24:56 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

НО interest

Toва какво е?

лихвата на заема

and taxes are deductible

Данъка няма как да е.

real estate taxes СА.

Standard deduction е обикновено повече от това, освен ако къщата ти
не е над $1,500,000

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 07:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:51:14 AM UTC-4, Vedrin Jeliazkov wrote:

...

В градовете има и голям брой необитавани жилища. В част от случаите те са собственост на емигранти, нерядко и с неуредени взаимоотношения

между наследници. Има предложение да бъде въведено някакво допълнително облагане на такъв тип имоти, за да бъде насърчено разпореждането с
тях. Например, чрез проследяване на консумираната вода и/или електроенергия за даден период от време. Засега не ми се струва вероятно това �
�а бъде осъществено.

Това би довело до срив на пазара за имоти в България, т.е. би навредило на немалко хора с власт и пари,
т.е. едва ли ще се случи.

Срив може да има ако има пазар. Това което Ведрин казва е че няма пазар,
а има фалшификация на пазар чрес симулиране чрез обяви. Моето впечатление
също е такова.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 14:52:22 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

А и художници, писатели и други могат да си работят на село.

Tия са пренебрежимо малко..

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On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 15:44:27 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:31:01 PM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 14:52:22 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

А и художници, писатели и други могат да си работят на село.

Tия са пренебрежимо малко..

Независимо колко са. Недялко Йорданов отдавна живее в провинцията, в
малко градче или село, не поомня.

Абе то май и Евгени Дайнов често ходи на село, но все още се мотае и в
Борово.

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On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 15:47:43 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:29:44 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 07:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:51:14 AM UTC-4, Vedrin Jeliazkov
wrote:

...

В градовете има и голям брой необитавани жилища. В част от случаите
те са собственост на емигранти, нерядко и с неуредени
взаимоотношения между наследници. Има предложение да бъде въведено
някакво допълнително облагане на такъв тип имоти, за да бъде
насърчено разпореждането с тях. Например, чрез проследяване на
консумираната вода и/или електроенергия за даден период от време.
Засега не ми се струва вероятно това да бъде осъществено.

Това би довело до срив на пазара за имоти в България, т.е. би
навредило на немалко хора с власт и пари, >> > т.е. едва ли ще се случи.

Срив може да има ако има пазар. Това което Ведрин казва е че няма
пазар,
а има фалшификация на пазар чрес симулиране чрез обяви. Моето
впечатление също е такова.

Ако бъдат _принудени_ да продадат имотите си пазар ще има, по дефиниция.

А какво стана с мантрата за свободния пазар, а? Ако искат ще продават, ако
искат няма да продават.

Я как лъсна какъв криптоболшевик си. За русофил знаехме, ама това за
болшевизма вече идва в повече.

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