• Notice of Funding Opportunity: DRL Media Literacy in Europe =?UTF-8?B?4

    From Nick@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 30 05:47:26 2023
    Notice of Funding Opportunity: DRL Media Literacy in Europe

    Manipulated information and propaganda inundate the Bulgarian population
    with messages designed to erode democratic institutions, undermine the country’s Euro-Atlantic orientation, and exacerbate social divisions. Due
    to a limited focus on media and information literacy in the school system
    and in public discourse more broadly, many Bulgarians lack the tools or training to critically assess the veracity of news and are unaware of the extent to which false narratives present a threat to Bulgaria’s security
    as well as political, social, and economic stability.

    Bulgarian media literacy, as measured in recent national and international surveys, remains low in the face of an ever-increasing volume of dis- and misinformation. Those in civil society and government who understand the
    need for more media literacy inside and outside of schools often lack the resources, training, and institutional support to launch an effective, whole-of-society media literacy program or struggle to sustain existing
    efforts in the face of capacity constraints, corruption, malign influence,
    and a lack of concerted political action to address systemic challenges.

    DRL’s goal is that citizens of Bulgaria engage critically with the many
    forms of media available to them to build a healthier, more vibrant civil society and democracy. The main program objective is to empower citizens
    with media literacy skills to engage in the information environment in a
    safe, responsible, and discerning manner, and with tools to detect and
    reject dis- and misinformation. A preliminary activity should include conducting or leveraging existing baseline surveys or assessments of which populations require media literacy training most and which methodologies
    will be most effective. Participant demographics could include youth,
    specific sectors of business and civil society, elderly, religious,
    racial, or ethnic communities, underserved groups, and/or those living in geographic regions determined to have low levels of media literacy,
    especially regions outside Sofia. Additional activities should include partnerships with relevant entities (public and/or private) to build
    robust media literacy curricula and/or activities based on identified
    needs; delivery of the curricula and programs to the target populations
    via relevant and innovative platforms; and/or other initiatives (such as
    public awareness campaigns, fact-checking tools and methodologies, youth debates, competitions, games, or infotainment/news programs) that
    encourage critical thinking to detect and reject dis- and misinformation
    in media; and a monitoring and evaluation plan to inform the life cycle of
    the program as well as best practices for future media literacy efforts.

    останалото може да се дочете на:

    https://www.state.gov/drl-media-literacy-in-europe/

    оставям на ивайло да ни информира дали сайтът случайно не е руски и това
    да е някаква подла стратегия на путин.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max val@21:1/5 to Nick on Tue May 30 00:00:32 2023
    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 8:49:38 AM UTC+3, Nick wrote:
    Notice of Funding Opportunity: DRL Media Literacy in Europe

    Manipulated information and propaganda inundate the Bulgarian population with messages designed to erode democratic institutions, undermine the country’s Euro-Atlantic orientation, and exacerbate social divisions. Due to a limited focus on media and information literacy in the school system and in public discourse more broadly, many Bulgarians lack the tools or training to critically assess the veracity of news and are unaware of the extent to which false narratives present a threat to Bulgaria’s security as well as political, social, and economic stability.

    Bulgarian media literacy, as measured in recent national and international surveys, remains low in the face of an ever-increasing volume of dis- and misinformation. Those in civil society and government who understand the need for more media literacy inside and outside of schools often lack the resources, training, and institutional support to launch an effective, whole-of-society media literacy program or struggle to sustain existing efforts in the face of capacity constraints, corruption, malign influence, and a lack of concerted political action to address systemic challenges.

    DRL’s goal is that citizens of Bulgaria engage critically with the many forms of media available to them to build a healthier, more vibrant civil society and democracy. The main program objective is to empower citizens with media literacy skills to engage in the information environment in a safe, responsible, and discerning manner, and with tools to detect and reject dis- and misinformation. A preliminary activity should include conducting or leveraging existing baseline surveys or assessments of which populations require media literacy training most and which methodologies will be most effective. Participant demographics could include youth, specific sectors of business and civil society, elderly, religious,
    racial, or ethnic communities, underserved groups, and/or those living in geographic regions determined to have low levels of media literacy, especially regions outside Sofia. Additional activities should include partnerships with relevant entities (public and/or private) to build
    robust media literacy curricula and/or activities based on identified
    needs; delivery of the curricula and programs to the target populations
    via relevant and innovative platforms; and/or other initiatives (such as public awareness campaigns, fact-checking tools and methodologies, youth debates, competitions, games, or infotainment/news programs) that
    encourage critical thinking to detect and reject dis- and misinformation
    in media; and a monitoring and evaluation plan to inform the life cycle of the program as well as best practices for future media literacy efforts.

    останалото може да се дочете на:

    https://www.state.gov/drl-media-literacy-in-europe/

    оставям на ивайло да ни информира дали сайтът случайно не е руски и това
    да е някаква подла стратегия на путин.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    По принцип убедените евроатлантици в България са около 10-15 % от народа.

    Дори милиардите за промиване на мозъци не успяха да повишат този процент.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Nick@21:1/5 to max val on Tue May 30 07:54:09 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 00:00:32 -0700 (PDT), max val wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 8:49:38 AM UTC+3, Nick wrote:

    Notice of Funding Opportunity: DRL Media Literacy in Europe

    Manipulated information and propaganda inundate the Bulgarian
    population with messages designed to erode democratic institutions,
    undermine the country’s Euro-Atlantic orientation, and exacerbate
    social divisions. Due to a limited focus on media and information
    literacy in the school system and in public discourse more broadly,
    many Bulgarians lack the tools or training to critically assess the
    veracity of news and are unaware of the extent to which false
    narratives present a threat to Bulgaria’s security as well as
    political, social, and economic stability.

    Bulgarian media literacy, as measured in recent national and
    international surveys, remains low in the face of an ever-increasing
    volume of dis- and misinformation. Those in civil society and
    government who understand the need for more media literacy inside and
    outside of schools often lack the resources, training, and
    institutional support to launch an effective,
    whole-of-society media literacy program or struggle to sustain existing
    efforts in the face of capacity constraints, corruption, malign
    influence,
    and a lack of concerted political action to address systemic
    challenges.

    DRL’s goal is that citizens of Bulgaria engage critically with the many
    forms of media available to them to build a healthier, more vibrant
    civil society and democracy. The main program objective is to empower
    citizens with media literacy skills to engage in the information
    environment in a safe, responsible, and discerning manner, and with
    tools to detect and reject dis- and misinformation. A preliminary
    activity should include conducting or leveraging existing baseline
    surveys or assessments of which populations require media literacy
    training most and which methodologies will be most effective.
    Participant demographics could include youth,
    specific sectors of business and civil society, elderly, religious,
    racial, or ethnic communities, underserved groups, and/or those living
    in geographic regions determined to have low levels of media literacy,
    especially regions outside Sofia. Additional activities should include
    partnerships with relevant entities (public and/or private) to build
    robust media literacy curricula and/or activities based on identified
    needs; delivery of the curricula and programs to the target populations
    via relevant and innovative platforms; and/or other initiatives (such
    as public awareness campaigns, fact-checking tools and methodologies,
    youth debates, competitions, games, or infotainment/news programs) that
    encourage critical thinking to detect and reject dis- and
    misinformation in media; and a monitoring and evaluation plan to inform
    the life cycle of the program as well as best practices for future
    media literacy efforts.

    останалото може да се дочете на:

    https://www.state.gov/drl-media-literacy-in-europe/

    оставям на ивайло да ни информира дали сайтът случайно не е руски и
    това да е някаква подла стратегия на путин.

    По принцип убедените евроатлантици в България са около 10-15 % от
    народа.

    Дори милиардите за промиване на мозъци не успяха да повишат този
    процент.

    :)

    Съдейки по написаното в обявата, ти си от тези българи, които са медийно
    неграмотни и които трябва да бъдат ограмотени как правилно да разбират
    поднасяната им пропаганда ;)

    Но нека не разваляме удоволствието на Ивайло да разобличи поредната руска
    пропаганда в паяжината.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max val@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 30 03:30:10 2023
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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to Nick on Tue May 30 09:06:07 2023
    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 1:49:38 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:
    Notice of Funding Opportunity: DRL Media Literacy in Europe

    Manipulated information and propaganda inundate the Bulgarian population with messages designed to erode democratic institutions, undermine the country’s Euro-Atlantic orientation, and exacerbate social divisions. Due to a limited focus on media and information literacy in the school system and in public discourse more broadly, many Bulgarians lack the tools or training to critically assess the veracity of news and are unaware of the extent to which false narratives present a threat to Bulgaria’s security as well as political, social, and economic stability.

    Bulgarian media literacy, as measured in recent national and international surveys, remains low in the face of an ever-increasing volume of dis- and misinformation. Those in civil society and government who understand the need for more media literacy inside and outside of schools often lack the resources, training, and institutional support to launch an effective, whole-of-society media literacy program or struggle to sustain existing efforts in the face of capacity constraints, corruption, malign influence, and a lack of concerted political action to address systemic challenges.

    DRL’s goal is that citizens of Bulgaria engage critically with the many forms of media available to them to build a healthier, more vibrant civil society and democracy. The main program objective is to empower citizens with media literacy skills to engage in the information environment in a safe, responsible, and discerning manner, and with tools to detect and reject dis- and misinformation. A preliminary activity should include conducting or leveraging existing baseline surveys or assessments of which populations require media literacy training most and which methodologies will be most effective. Participant demographics could include youth, specific sectors of business and civil society, elderly, religious,
    racial, or ethnic communities, underserved groups, and/or those living in geographic regions determined to have low levels of media literacy, especially regions outside Sofia. Additional activities should include partnerships with relevant entities (public and/or private) to build
    robust media literacy curricula and/or activities based on identified
    needs; delivery of the curricula and programs to the target populations
    via relevant and innovative platforms; and/or other initiatives (such as public awareness campaigns, fact-checking tools and methodologies, youth debates, competitions, games, or infotainment/news programs) that
    encourage critical thinking to detect and reject dis- and misinformation
    in media; and a monitoring and evaluation plan to inform the life cycle of the program as well as best practices for future media literacy efforts.

    останалото може да се дочете на:

    https://www.state.gov/drl-media-literacy-in-europe/

    оставям на ивайло да ни информира дали сайтът случайно не е руски и това
    да е някаква подла стратегия на путин.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    Пилят си парите и времето. Колкото убедиха българите да се ваксинират
    толкова ще успеят и с това начинание. Поне стимулират българската
    икономика :-D

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 30 09:13:56 2023
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue May 30 16:22:42 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:06:07 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 1:49:38 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    Notice of Funding Opportunity: DRL Media Literacy in Europe

    Manipulated information and propaganda inundate the Bulgarian
    population with messages designed to erode democratic institutions,
    undermine the country’s Euro-Atlantic orientation, and exacerbate
    social divisions. Due to a limited focus on media and information
    literacy in the school system and in public discourse more broadly,
    many Bulgarians lack the tools or training to critically assess the
    veracity of news and are unaware of the extent to which false
    narratives present a threat to Bulgaria’s security as well as
    political, social, and economic stability.

    Bulgarian media literacy, as measured in recent national and
    international surveys, remains low in the face of an ever-increasing
    volume of dis- and misinformation. Those in civil society and
    government who understand the need for more media literacy inside and
    outside of schools often lack the resources, training, and
    institutional support to launch an effective,
    whole-of-society media literacy program or struggle to sustain existing
    efforts in the face of capacity constraints, corruption, malign
    influence,
    and a lack of concerted political action to address systemic
    challenges.

    DRL’s goal is that citizens of Bulgaria engage critically with the many
    forms of media available to them to build a healthier, more vibrant
    civil society and democracy. The main program objective is to empower
    citizens with media literacy skills to engage in the information
    environment in a safe, responsible, and discerning manner, and with
    tools to detect and reject dis- and misinformation. A preliminary
    activity should include conducting or leveraging existing baseline
    surveys or assessments of which populations require media literacy
    training most and which methodologies will be most effective.
    Participant demographics could include youth,
    specific sectors of business and civil society, elderly, religious,
    racial, or ethnic communities, underserved groups, and/or those living
    in geographic regions determined to have low levels of media literacy,
    especially regions outside Sofia. Additional activities should include
    partnerships with relevant entities (public and/or private) to build
    robust media literacy curricula and/or activities based on identified
    needs; delivery of the curricula and programs to the target populations
    via relevant and innovative platforms; and/or other initiatives (such
    as public awareness campaigns, fact-checking tools and methodologies,
    youth debates, competitions, games, or infotainment/news programs) that
    encourage critical thinking to detect and reject dis- and
    misinformation in media; and a monitoring and evaluation plan to inform
    the life cycle of the program as well as best practices for future
    media literacy efforts.

    останалото може да се дочете на:

    https://www.state.gov/drl-media-literacy-in-europe/

    оставям на ивайло да ни информира дали сайтът случайно не е руски и
    това да е някаква подла стратегия на путин.

    Пилят си парите и времето. Колкото убедиха българите да се ваксинират
    толкова ще успеят и с това начинание. Поне стимулират българската
    икономика :-D

    Ти да видиш, нещо разумно най-после и от теб. Но проблемът не е в парите,
    а в текста.

    А ти защо си така скромно мълчалив по темата за ваксините? Или да не
    питам?

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue May 30 18:08:32 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:05:06 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 12:22:44 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:06:07 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 1:49:38 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    Notice of Funding Opportunity: DRL Media Literacy in Europe

    Manipulated information and propaganda inundate the Bulgarian
    population with messages designed to erode democratic institutions,
    undermine the country’s Euro-Atlantic orientation, and exacerbate
    social divisions. Due to a limited focus on media and information
    literacy in the school system and in public discourse more broadly,
    many Bulgarians lack the tools or training to critically assess the
    veracity of news and are unaware of the extent to which false
    narratives present a threat to Bulgaria’s security as well as
    political, social, and economic stability.

    Bulgarian media literacy, as measured in recent national and
    international surveys, remains low in the face of an ever-increasing
    volume of dis- and misinformation. Those in civil society and
    government who understand the need for more media literacy inside
    and outside of schools often lack the resources, training, and
    institutional support to launch an effective,
    whole-of-society media literacy program or struggle to sustain
    existing efforts in the face of capacity constraints, corruption,
    malign influence,
    and a lack of concerted political action to address systemic
    challenges.

    DRL’s goal is that citizens of Bulgaria engage critically with the
    many forms of media available to them to build a healthier, more
    vibrant civil society and democracy. The main program objective is
    to empower citizens with media literacy skills to engage in the
    information environment in a safe, responsible, and discerning
    manner, and with tools to detect and reject dis- and misinformation.
    A preliminary activity should include conducting or leveraging
    existing baseline surveys or assessments of which populations
    require media literacy training most and which methodologies will be
    most effective.
    Participant demographics could include youth,
    specific sectors of business and civil society, elderly, religious,
    racial, or ethnic communities, underserved groups, and/or those
    living in geographic regions determined to have low levels of media
    literacy,
    especially regions outside Sofia. Additional activities should
    include partnerships with relevant entities (public and/or private)
    to build robust media literacy curricula and/or activities based on
    identified needs; delivery of the curricula and programs to the
    target populations via relevant and innovative platforms; and/or
    other initiatives (such as public awareness campaigns, fact-checking
    tools and methodologies,
    youth debates, competitions, games, or infotainment/news programs)
    that encourage critical thinking to detect and reject dis- and
    misinformation in media; and a monitoring and evaluation plan to
    inform the life cycle of the program as well as best practices for
    future media literacy efforts.

    останалото може да се дочете на:

    https://www.state.gov/drl-media-literacy-in-europe/

    оставям на ивайло да ни информира дали сайтът случайно не е руски и
    това да е някаква подла стратегия на путин.

    Пилят си парите и времето. Колкото убедиха българите да се ваксинират
    толкова ще успеят и с това начинание. Поне стимулират българската
    икономика :-D

    Ти да видиш, нещо разумно най-после и от теб. Но проблемът не е в
    парите, а в текста.

    и тук мълчиш, а си доста креслив, когато става дума за руски опорки.

    А ти защо си така скромно мълчалив по темата за ваксините? Или да не
    питам?

    Какво трябва да кажа за ваксините, според теб?!? Каквото трябваше да
    кажа го казах.

    да кажеш това, което избягваш да кажеш. а преди не се срамуваше да
    говориш.

    дал съм ти една връзка към един материал и въпроси, свързани с него. ти се
    правиш, че не си ги видял.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue May 30 20:02:41 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 12:06:47 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 2:08:33 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:05:06 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    ...

    Какво трябва да кажа за ваксините, според теб?!? Каквото трябваше да
    кажа го казах.

    да кажеш това, което избягваш да кажеш. а преди не се срамуваше да
    говориш.

    ?

    казах ти вече - връщаш се назад и намираш какво съм те питал.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue May 30 20:05:31 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 12:06:10 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 2:36:25 PM UTC-4, max val wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 7:13:57 PM UTC+3, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 3:00:34 AM UTC-4, max val wrote:
    ...

    По принцип убедените евроатлантици в България са около 10-15 % от
    народа.

    Не знам точния им процент, но са приблизително колкото убедените
    русофилистици в България.

    Дори милиардите за промиване на мозъци не успяха да повишат този
    процент.

    Този процент се предава по полова линя, според мен, както се беше
    изразил един виден потомствен български комунист/социалист. Просто
    навремето (преди 1989) "евроатлантиците"
    се криеха и не бяха обществено видими. Днес русофилистиците са
    свободно финаситани от Москва, действат общо-взето открито, и са
    добре представени на всяко ниво в българските институции (вкл.
    Народното събрание и правителството).

    По принцип имам това предимство че като човек с две националности мога
    да наблюдавам нещата отвъре в две държави. (По майчина страна съм
    унгарец.)

    Българите са по-предпазливи хора, това е историческият опит от турско
    време: ако много викаш срещу силните на деня, ще те смажат. Затова
    по-добре да им кимаш и междувременно да си правиш каквото си искаш,
    когато не те гледат.

    Унгарците са по-бунтовни. Все пак германската (австрийската) власт не е
    била като турската, няма да те смажат докрай, само ще причинят
    неудобства. Няма да те заколят, само ще ти вземат имота. Поради това
    унгарците са по-склонни на риск.

    Ха-ха! Понеже в дускусията беше намесена и темата за ваксините, да ги
    споменем в горния контекст. Ако българите бяха покорни, а унгарците
    бунтари, трябваше да очакваме висока ваксинация в България и ниска в
    Унгария, но реално се получи точно обратното. Та едва ли това е
    обяснението.

    ха-ха, max ти обяснява, че българите не са по-покорни, но ти не го
    разбираш.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to max val on Tue May 30 21:28:58 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:36:23 -0700 (PDT), max val wrote:

    Но сега когато се вижда какво
    преставлява евроатлантизмът, голяма са от унгарците са станали до някаква
    степен симпатизанти на Русия - и не заради самата Русия, а просто защото
    Русия изглежда но-нормална в сравнение със запада.

    Toва Ивайло няма как да го разбере.

    Тоест много българи се обявяват за евроатлантиците само от страх, от
    предпазливост.

    Според мене не е от предпазливост, а заради авантата дето се надяват
    да получат оттам.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue May 30 21:38:21 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 12:06:10 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Една дълбока икономическта криза дели подобни "герои" от властта в страните със свободни избори и ниска
    гражданска култура и демократични традиции.

    Как ще обясниш ставащото тука в горния контекст?

    При всеки друг вариант Унгария щеше да праща
    оръжия и боеприпаси на Украйна. Не мислиш ли?

    Не при всеки.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed May 31 03:07:25 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 19:22:44 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 5:38:23 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 12:06:10 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
    Една дълбока икономическта криза дели
    подобни "герои" от властта в страните със свободни избори и ниска
    гражданска култура и демократични традиции.
    Как ще обясниш ставащото тука в горния контекст?

    САЩ не са Унгария, дори ако Тръмп е Орбан.

    Що Тръмп? Що не Дремльо Джо?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to max val on Wed May 31 20:39:25 2023
    On Wed, 31 May 2023 12:24:38 -0700 (PDT), max val wrote:

    On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 8:39:02 PM UTC+3, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 4:17:57 AM UTC-4, max val wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 10:06:11 PM UTC+3, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 2:36:25 PM UTC-4, max val wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 7:13:57 PM UTC+3, Ivaylo Ivanov
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 3:00:34 AM UTC-4, max val wrote:
    ...

    По принцип убедените евроатлантици в България са около 10-15
    % от народа.

    Не знам точния им процент, но са приблизително колкото
    убедените русофилистици в България.

    Дори милиардите за промиване на мозъци не успяха да повишат
    този процент.

    Този процент се предава по полова линя, според мен, както се
    беше изразил един виден потомствен български
    комунист/социалист. Просто навремето (преди 1989)
    "евроатлантиците"
    се криеха и не бяха обществено видими. Днес русофилистиците са
    свободно финаситани от Москва, действат общо-взето открито, и
    са добре представени на всяко ниво в българските институции
    (вкл. Народното събрание и правителството).

    По принцип имам това предимство че като човек с две националности
    мога да наблюдавам нещата отвъре в две държави. (По майчина
    страна съм унгарец.)
    Българите са по-предпазливи хора, това е историческият опит от
    турско време: ако много викаш срещу силните на деня, ще те
    смажат. Затова по-добре да им кимаш и междувременно да си правиш
    каквото си искаш, когато не те гледат. >> > > > Унгарците са по-бунтовни. Все пак германската (австрийската)
    власт не е била като турската, няма да те смажат докрай, само ще
    причинят неудобства. Няма да те заколят, само ще ти вземат имота.
    Поради това унгарците са по-склонни на риск.

    Ха-ха! Понеже в дускусията беше намесена и темата за ваксините, да
    ги споменем в горния контекст. Ако българите бяха покорни, а
    унгарците бунтари, трябваше да очакваме висока ваксинация в
    България и ниска в Унгария, но реално се получи точно обратното. Та
    едва ли това е обяснението. Прочие, 20 години унгарците доста
    безропотно следваха западните "идеали". Дойде Орбан на власт и
    палачинката се обърна. Естествено осирането на социалистите беше
    решаващо за провала на по-ортодоксалната политика там, но е факт,
    че персонажа на Орбан се явява решаващ за случващото се в Унгария в
    момента. Както и в Турция с Ердоган естествено. Ако Копейкин (или
    някой от неговото тесто) вземе властта в България там няма да е
    различно. Една дълбока икономическта криза дели подобни "герои" от
    властта в страните със свободни избори и ниска гражданска култура и
    демократични традиции. Русия просто експлоатира тази особеност в
    българския контекст. В контекста на Унгария те са просто късметлии
    с властващите. При всеки друг вариант Унгария щеше да праща оръжия
    и боеприпаси на Украйна. Не мислиш ли?

    В Унгария никога не е имало русофилия, историческият опит от
    1849, 1944, 1956 гг. не даваше причина за такова нещо, няма руска
    положителна роля в унгарската история, каквато в България има. Но
    сега когато се вижда какво преставлява евроатлантизмът, голяма са
    от унгарците са станали до някаква степен симпатизанти на Русия -
    и не заради самата Русия, а просто защото Русия изглежда
    но-нормална в сравнение със запада.
    Тоест много българи се обявяват за евроатлантиците само от страх,
    от предпазливост.

    Да, до 2010 г. Унгария беше най-прозападната в Източна Европа, повече
    от Чехия и Словения дори. За 20 години се видя, че това не води до
    никъде.

    През 2010 средната заплата в Унгария е 200,000 форинта или $1000 по
    тогавашния курс на форинта. Днес, след 13 години управление на Орбан,
    заплатите там са 680,000 форинта или $1900. През 2010 заплата в
    България (май 2010) е 585 лв, $375 по тогавашния курс. Днес, след 13
    години "евроатлантическо" управление, средната заплата в България е
    2000 лв или $1090. В единия слуай ("правилния" неевроатлантически)
    заплатите са се вдигнали 1.9 пъти, а в другия, грешния, 2.9 пъти.

    По принцип такова сравнение не е правилно. Животът в България е 10-20 %
    по-евтин отколкото в Унгария. И българските данъци са доста по-ниски
    отколкото в Унгария.

    Но даже и цифрите ти на са верни. В момента средната брутна заплата е
    около 530 хиляди форинта, горе-долу 1400 евро.

    И ся кво? Ивайло лъже като дърт циганин?!

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 31 14:25:06 2023
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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 31 14:20:19 2023
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed May 31 23:33:26 2023
    On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Всъщност България и
    Унгария са на същото място в класирането на Reporters Without Borders по
    свобода на медиите.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index

    Какви са тези измамници Reporters Without Borders ?

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed May 31 23:29:05 2023
    On Wed, 31 May 2023 10:39:01 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    През 2010 средната заплата в Унгария е 200,000 форинта или $1000 по тогавашния курс на форинта. Днес, след 13 години управление на Орбан,
    заплатите там са 680,000 форинта или $1900. През 2010 заплата в България (май 2010) е 585 лв, $375 по тогавашния курс. Днес, след 13 години
    "евроатлантическо" управление, средната заплата в България е 2000 лв или $1090. В единия слуай ("правилния" неевроатлантически) заплатите са се
    вдигнали 1.9 пъти, а в другия, грешния, 2.9 пъти.

    А цените?
    Да не говорим че ако нямаше борд тези $1090 щяха да са сигурно $590..

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed May 31 23:35:31 2023
    On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:25:06 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 5:29:00 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

    ...
    Тоест много българи се обявяват за евроатлантиците само от страх, от
    предпазливост.
    Според мене не е от предпазливост, а заради авантата дето се надяват
    да получат оттам.

    При последното ми посещение в БГ не забелязах никакви задръжки в изразяването
    на анти-евроатлантически възгледи там, особено извън София.

    Демек в Бг има по-голяма свобода от Америка? Щото тука хората се страхуват
    да изразяват открито подобни възгледи, ако изобшо си забелязал.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to max val on Thu Jun 1 17:09:26 2023
    On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 10:03:11 -0700 (PDT), max val wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 5:19:23 PM UTC+3, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 9:32:11 AM UTC-4, max val wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 3:18:36 PM UTC+3, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 2:10:39 AM UTC-4, max val wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 2:33:28 AM UTC+3, chorbalan wrote:

    On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Всъщност България и Унгария са на същото място в класирането
    на Reporters Without Borders по свобода на медиите.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index
    Какви са тези измамници Reporters Without Borders ?

    Те са "независима" гражданска организация, тоест са служба към
    американското Външно министерстро, ЦРУ, Сорос, и подобни.

    Aко са на служба към "американското Външно министерстро и ЦРУ" защо
    са поставили САЩ на талкова ниско място??

    Защо не? Тези данни не са важни в САЩ.

    С какво тази класация е по-важна за Унгария (или България) от САЩ??

    Така обаче си придават повече достоверност.
    Има много подобни трикове.
    В Унгария тези неща са познати отдавна. Свързани помежду си
    организации, всикчите разбира се форнално граждански и независими, си
    подават помежду си едни и същи данни. Всъщност всчики се ръководят,
    или поне се финансират от едно и сщо място, но така изглежда, че има
    много източници.

    Схемата за контрол на медиите от държавата също са добре познати в
    Източна Европа - държавните поръчи за реклама (често с пари от ЕС). В
    сравнение с тези потоци потоците от "Сорос" са незначителни. В
    държавите където една партия се е срастнала с държавата, като Фидес в
    Унгария, тези процеси са най-напреднали. Говорим за елементарни неща,
    не за висша математика.

    За една велика сила няма това никакво значвение, защото няма как друга
    държава да се намеси в нейните работи.

    Ти пък, не може. Според самите американци и Ивайло, Путин е виновен за
    спечелването от Тръмп на изборите за президент. Това ако не е намеса, не
    знам какво може да е.

    Но пак според него, САЩ не се месят никъде, особено в България, което
    означава, че те не са никаква велика сила ;)

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Jun 1 18:12:04 2023
    On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 1:09:28 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 10:03:11 -0700 (PDT), max val wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 5:19:23 PM UTC+3, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 9:32:11 AM UTC-4, max val wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 3:18:36 PM UTC+3, Ivaylo Ivanov
    wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 2:10:39 AM UTC-4, max val wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 2:33:28 AM UTC+3, chorbalan
    wrote:

    On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov
    wrote:

    Всъщност България и Унгария са на същото място в
    класирането на Reporters Without Borders по свобода на
    медиите.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index
    Какви са тези измамници Reporters Without Borders ?

    Те са "независима" гражданска организация, тоест са служба към
    американското Външно министерстро, ЦРУ, Сорос, и подобни.

    Aко са на служба към "американското Външно министерстро и ЦРУ"
    защо са поставили САЩ на талкова ниско място??

    Защо не? Тези данни не са важни в САЩ.

    С какво тази класация е по-важна за Унгария (или България) от САЩ??

    Така обаче си придават повече достоверност.
    Има много подобни трикове.
    В Унгария тези неща са познати отдавна. Свързани помежду си
    организации, всикчите разбира се форнално граждански и независими,
    си подават помежду си едни и същи данни. Всъщност всчики се
    ръководят, или поне се финансират от едно и сщо място, но така
    изглежда, че има много източници.

    Схемата за контрол на медиите от държавата също са добре познати в
    Източна Европа - държавните поръчи за реклама (често с пари от ЕС).
    В сравнение с тези потоци потоците от "Сорос" са незначителни. В
    държавите където една партия се е срастнала с държавата, като Фидес
    в Унгария, тези процеси са най-напреднали. Говорим за елементарни
    неща, не за висша математика.

    За една велика сила няма това никакво значвение, защото няма как
    друга държава да се намеси в нейните работи.

    Ти пък, не може. Според самите американци и Ивайло, Путин е виновен за
    спечелването от Тръмп на изборите за президент.

    Би ли уточнил кога _аз_ съм твърдял подобно нещо? Ще ми бъде интересно
    да науча.

    Когато ти започнеш да уточняваш кога съм казвал нещата, които приписваш на
    мен. Сега сме на момента - с твоите камъни, по твоята глава.

    Не случайно от няколко години си правя майтап с обсесията ти по всичко
    руско.

    Самочувствието ти, че си всезнайко, ти играе кофти номера.

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    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Fri Jun 2 01:00:04 2023
    On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 10:23:41 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    По мои наблюдения,
    когато определени хора/политически сили не постигнат желаните си цели
    първо гледат някой "чужд" да набедят.

    То и затова това лаене по Унгария, понякога и по Полша..

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Fri Jun 2 00:58:19 2023
    On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 07:19:22 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:


    В сравнение с тези потоци потоците от "Сорос" са незначителни.

    Глупости...

    В държавите където една партия се е срастнала с държавата, като Фидес в
    Унгария, тези процеси са най-напреднали.

    Това от къде научи?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Sat Jun 3 03:54:15 2023
    On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 20:33:12 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Някои хора са сигурни, че либерализма (запада) залязва от как
    се помня, а вече не съм млад човек.


    Така баха сигурни и за комунизма... Хората си повтарят грешките цял живот..

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 2 21:06:56 2023
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Sat Jun 3 06:26:11 2023
    On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 21:06:56 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:


    национал-социализма

    В Украйна най-вече.


    Междувременно се роди
    недоносчето което нарекох прогрерастия (едно от по-уродливите отрочета на
    марксизма).

    Прогрерастията има по-общо с комунизма отколкото с марксизма, ама общо
    взето все тая.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to max val on Sat Jun 3 06:28:01 2023
    On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 23:16:02 -0700 (PDT), max val wrote:

    Основата на западната цивилизация и атеизмът (пъвоначално по форма на
    реформирано християнство) и грабежът.

    Народите на света набират все повече сила, и западът все по-трудно граби.
    Това е основата на кризата.

    Tи да не си пиян?

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