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    From Nick@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 28 17:48:27 2023
    Munich’s Bacchanal of Beery Bathos

    The Western leaders at this year’s security conference were long on
    rhetoric and short on realism.

    Sumantra Maitra
    Feb 25, 2023 12:03 AM

    It was painful to listen to Kamala Harris at the Munich Security
    Conference mindlessly uttering catchphrases in a practiced quivering
    staccato voice in an attempt to project statesmanship that was as fake as Madonna’s face.

    “In the case of Russia’s actions in Ukraine, we have examined the
    evidence, we know the legal standards, and there is no doubt: These are
    crimes against humanity,” Harris declared, adding a warning to “those who have perpetrated these crimes, and to their superiors who are complicit in those crimes: You will be held to account.”

    There is some speculation that Russians have committed war crimes,
    including mass executions. Two questions, however, immediately arise: Did Ukrainians commit them too? And who evaluates and punishes the
    aforementioned crimes? George W. Bush and Barack Obama might know from
    personal experience how spurious, easy, and unprovable the war crimes
    charge might be, and how easy it is to dodge.

    “International relations” is anarchic because there are no global policemen; nuclear powers are nuclear powers for a reason, namely, it discourages direct interference from others. But once you lob the charge
    and promise retribution, you are then expected to address a question of
    major importance. “How, Comrade?”

    My colleague Jude Russo asked why, of all places, is the security
    conference in Munich. To which, I could logically only come up with one
    answer: The beer is solid—and what else could explain the mind-numbing self-congratulatory therapy sessions? It was not a serious conference on strategy because there is no strategic debate at least among the
    Westerners. There was consensus—which undercuts the point of having a conference anyway, of course.



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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to Nick on Tue Feb 28 10:51:58 2023
    On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 12:48:29 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:
    Munich’s Bacchanal of Beery Bathos

    The Western leaders at this year’s security conference were long on rhetoric and short on realism.

    Sumantra Maitra
    Feb 25, 2023 12:03 AM

    It was painful to listen to Kamala Harris at the Munich Security
    Conference mindlessly uttering catchphrases in a practiced quivering staccato voice in an attempt to project statesmanship that was as fake as Madonna’s face.

    “In the case of Russia’s actions in Ukraine, we have examined the evidence, we know the legal standards, and there is no doubt: These are crimes against humanity,” Harris declared, adding a warning to “those who
    have perpetrated these crimes, and to their superiors who are complicit in those crimes: You will be held to account.”

    There is some speculation that Russians have committed war crimes,
    including mass executions. Two questions, however, immediately arise: Did Ukrainians commit them too? And who evaluates and punishes the aforementioned crimes? George W. Bush and Barack Obama might know from personal experience how spurious, easy, and unprovable the war crimes
    charge might be, and how easy it is to dodge.

    “International relations” is anarchic because there are no global policemen; nuclear powers are nuclear powers for a reason, namely, it discourages direct interference from others. But once you lob the charge
    and promise retribution, you are then expected to address a question of major importance. “How, Comrade?”

    My colleague Jude Russo asked why, of all places, is the security
    conference in Munich. To which, I could logically only come up with one answer: The beer is solid—and what else could explain the mind-numbing self-congratulatory therapy sessions? It was not a serious conference on strategy because there is no strategic debate at least among the
    Westerners. There was consensus—which undercuts the point of having a conference anyway, of course.



    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/munichs-bacchanal-of-beery-bathos/

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Feb 28 19:04:21 2023
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 10:51:58 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 12:48:29 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    Munich’s Bacchanal of Beery Bathos

    The Western leaders at this year’s security conference were long on
    rhetoric and short on realism.

    Sumantra Maitra Feb 25, 2023 12:03 AM

    It was painful to listen to Kamala Harris at the Munich Security
    Conference mindlessly uttering catchphrases in a practiced quivering
    staccato voice in an attempt to project statesmanship that was as fake
    as Madonna’s face.

    “In the case of Russia’s actions in Ukraine, we have examined the
    evidence, we know the legal standards, and there is no doubt: These are
    crimes against humanity,” Harris declared, adding a warning to “those
    who have perpetrated these crimes, and to their superiors who are
    complicit in those crimes: You will be held to account.”

    There is some speculation that Russians have committed war crimes,
    including mass executions. Two questions, however, immediately arise:
    Did Ukrainians commit them too? And who evaluates and punishes the
    aforementioned crimes? George W. Bush and Barack Obama might know from
    personal experience how spurious, easy, and unprovable the war crimes
    charge might be, and how easy it is to dodge.

    “International relations” is anarchic because there are no global
    policemen; nuclear powers are nuclear powers for a reason, namely, it
    discourages direct interference from others. But once you lob the
    charge and promise retribution, you are then expected to address a
    question of major importance. “How, Comrade?”

    My colleague Jude Russo asked why, of all places, is the security
    conference in Munich. To which, I could logically only come up with one
    answer: The beer is solid—and what else could explain the mind-numbing
    self-congratulatory therapy sessions? It was not a serious conference
    on strategy because there is no strategic debate at least among the
    Westerners. There was consensus—which undercuts the point of having a
    conference anyway, of course.



    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/munichs-bacchanal-of-beery-
    bathos/

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    "Prominent contributors to The American Conservative have included ...
    Andrew Bacevich ... Pat Buchanan ...
    Douglas Macgregor ... Scott Ritter"

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    я солженицин не читал …

    схвана и къде е иронията?

    не че аз не те попитах същото, ама ти предпочете позорно да замълчиш.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Feb 28 11:05:38 2023
    On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 1:51:59 PM UTC-5, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 12:48:29 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:
    Munich’s Bacchanal of Beery Bathos

    The Western leaders at this year’s security conference were long on rhetoric and short on realism.

    Sumantra Maitra
    Feb 25, 2023 12:03 AM

    It was painful to listen to Kamala Harris at the Munich Security Conference mindlessly uttering catchphrases in a practiced quivering staccato voice in an attempt to project statesmanship that was as fake as Madonna’s face.

    “In the case of Russia’s actions in Ukraine, we have examined the evidence, we know the legal standards, and there is no doubt: These are crimes against humanity,” Harris declared, adding a warning to “those who
    have perpetrated these crimes, and to their superiors who are complicit in those crimes: You will be held to account.”

    There is some speculation that Russians have committed war crimes, including mass executions. Two questions, however, immediately arise: Did Ukrainians commit them too? And who evaluates and punishes the aforementioned crimes? George W. Bush and Barack Obama might know from personal experience how spurious, easy, and unprovable the war crimes charge might be, and how easy it is to dodge.

    “International relations” is anarchic because there are no global policemen; nuclear powers are nuclear powers for a reason, namely, it discourages direct interference from others. But once you lob the charge and promise retribution, you are then expected to address a question of major importance. “How, Comrade?”

    My colleague Jude Russo asked why, of all places, is the security conference in Munich. To which, I could logically only come up with one answer: The beer is solid—and what else could explain the mind-numbing self-congratulatory therapy sessions? It was not a serious conference on strategy because there is no strategic debate at least among the Westerners. There was consensus—which undercuts the point of having a conference anyway, of course.



    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/munichs-bacchanal-of-beery-bathos/

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    "The American Conservative was founded by Pat Buchanan"

    "Prominent contributors to The American Conservative have included ... Andrew Bacevich ... Pat Buchanan ...
    Douglas Macgregor ... Scott Ritter"

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    Но това ме подсети за няколко други имена, които бях пропуснал в предишен коментар - Джон Миършаймър,
    Катрина ванден Хувел, Тулси Габард, Алекс Джоунс, Ноум Чомски. Има и други, но те май нямат "high profile".

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Mar 1 01:19:37 2023
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:05:38 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 1:51:59 PM UTC-5, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 12:48:29 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:
    Munich’s Bacchanal of Beery Bathos

    The Western leaders at this year’s security conference were long on
    rhetoric and short on realism.

    Sumantra Maitra
    Feb 25, 2023 12:03 AM

    It was painful to listen to Kamala Harris at the Munich Security
    Conference mindlessly uttering catchphrases in a practiced quivering
    staccato voice in an attempt to project statesmanship that was as fake as >> > Madonna’s face.

    “In the case of Russia’s actions in Ukraine, we have examined the
    evidence, we know the legal standards, and there is no doubt: These are
    crimes against humanity,” Harris declared, adding a warning to “those who
    have perpetrated these crimes, and to their superiors who are complicit in >> > those crimes: You will be held to account.”

    There is some speculation that Russians have committed war crimes,
    including mass executions. Two questions, however, immediately arise: Did >> > Ukrainians commit them too? And who evaluates and punishes the
    aforementioned crimes? George W. Bush and Barack Obama might know from
    personal experience how spurious, easy, and unprovable the war crimes
    charge might be, and how easy it is to dodge.

    “International relations” is anarchic because there are no global
    policemen; nuclear powers are nuclear powers for a reason, namely, it
    discourages direct interference from others. But once you lob the charge >> > and promise retribution, you are then expected to address a question of
    major importance. “How, Comrade?”

    My colleague Jude Russo asked why, of all places, is the security
    conference in Munich. To which, I could logically only come up with one
    answer: The beer is solid—and what else could explain the mind-numbing >> > self-congratulatory therapy sessions? It was not a serious conference on >> > strategy because there is no strategic debate at least among the
    Westerners. There was consensus—which undercuts the point of having a
    conference anyway, of course.



    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/munichs-bacchanal-of-beery-bathos/ >> >
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    "The American Conservative was founded by Pat Buchanan"

    "Prominent contributors to The American Conservative have included ... Andrew Bacevich ... Pat Buchanan ...
    Douglas Macgregor ... Scott Ritter"

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    Но това ме подсети за няколко други имена, които бях пропуснал в предишен коментар - Джон Миършаймър,
    Катрина ванден Хувел, Тулси Габард, Алекс Джоунс, Ноум Чомски. Има и други, но те май нямат "high profile".

    Както бях казал някога отдавна - ти си взел страна и "истината"
    е винаги на нейнта страна. Както и Ник. И двамата сте еднакви в
    това отношение.
    То всъщност всеки поступва като вас без да забелязва даже, ама при
    вас двамата е направо откачено, като при религиозните фанатици и
    като при Пернатка с конспиративните глупости..

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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 28 18:22:56 2023
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Mar 1 03:16:35 2023
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 18:22:56 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 8:19:39 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:05:38 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 1:51:59 PM UTC-5, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 12:48:29 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:
    Munich’s Bacchanal of Beery Bathos

    The Western leaders at this year’s security conference were long on >> >> > rhetoric and short on realism.

    Sumantra Maitra
    Feb 25, 2023 12:03 AM

    It was painful to listen to Kamala Harris at the Munich Security
    Conference mindlessly uttering catchphrases in a practiced quivering
    staccato voice in an attempt to project statesmanship that was as fake as
    Madonna’s face.

    “In the case of Russia’s actions in Ukraine, we have examined the >> >> > evidence, we know the legal standards, and there is no doubt: These are >> >> > crimes against humanity,” Harris declared, adding a warning to “those who
    have perpetrated these crimes, and to their superiors who are complicit in
    those crimes: You will be held to account.”

    There is some speculation that Russians have committed war crimes,
    including mass executions. Two questions, however, immediately arise: Did
    Ukrainians commit them too? And who evaluates and punishes the
    aforementioned crimes? George W. Bush and Barack Obama might know from >> >> > personal experience how spurious, easy, and unprovable the war crimes >> >> > charge might be, and how easy it is to dodge.

    “International relations” is anarchic because there are no global >> >> > policemen; nuclear powers are nuclear powers for a reason, namely, it >> >> > discourages direct interference from others. But once you lob the charge
    and promise retribution, you are then expected to address a question of >> >> > major importance. “How, Comrade?”

    My colleague Jude Russo asked why, of all places, is the security
    conference in Munich. To which, I could logically only come up with one >> >> > answer: The beer is solid—and what else could explain the mind-numbing
    self-congratulatory therapy sessions? It was not a serious conference on
    strategy because there is no strategic debate at least among the
    Westerners. There was consensus—which undercuts the point of having a >> >> > conference anyway, of course.



    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/munichs-bacchanal-of-beery-bathos/

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    Douglas Macgregor ... Scott Ritter"

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    Но това ме подсети за няколко други имена, които бях пропуснал в предишен коментар - Джон Миършаймър,
    Катрина ванден Хувел, Тулси Габард, Алекс Джоунс, Ноум Чомски. Има и други, но те май нямат "high profile".
    Както бях казал някога отдавна - ти си взел страна и "истината"
    е винаги на нейнта страна. Както и Ник. И двамата сте еднакви в
    това отношение.
    То всъщност всеки поступва като вас без да забелязва даже, ама при
    вас двамата е направо откачено, като при религиозните фанатици и
    като при Пернатка с конспиративните глупости..

    Ти както обективно търсещ истината, успя ли да разбереш какви са цените на Русия/Путин в Украйна?
    Вече цяла година мина.

    Мисля че се промениха с времето.
    В началото беше да държи Украйна в своята сфера на влияние, вероятно с
    намерение впоследствие да я приобщи в общността. После му стана ясно че
    няма да я бъде и заради НАТОвските и мераци използва тормоза на руснаците
    там за да откъсне руско населена територия и да я отслаби. Сега целта
    изглежда е да се гарантира неутралитет на Украйна и ако стане инсталиране
    на марионетно правителство там.
    Не търся истина в такива случаи понеже такава обективно няма.

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Mar 1 05:20:47 2023
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:57:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:


    Как си представяш инсталирането на марионетно правителство при настоящите обстоятелства?
    И колко дни би издържало то в Киев без цялостна военна окупация на Украйна? Всяка седмица
    има убийства на руски служители (украински предатели) в окупираните в момента територии
    при положение, че те са едва към 10% от Украйна и в миналото бяха най-проруски настроените.
    Какво би станало с марионетките в Киев? В западна Украйна?


    Чак дотам не ми се гадае но може би има начин. Например почти всичко става
    с достатъчно пари.
    На мен ми е все тая,
    че да гадая :-)
    Аз съм по-скоро душманин на Китай, ти си на Русия.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to chorbalan on Wed Mar 1 05:19:22 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 01:19:37 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:05:38 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 1:51:59 PM UTC-5, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 12:48:29 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    Munich’s Bacchanal of Beery Bathos

    The Western leaders at this year’s security conference were long on
    rhetoric and short on realism.

    Sumantra Maitra Feb 25, 2023 12:03 AM

    It was painful to listen to Kamala Harris at the Munich Security
    Conference mindlessly uttering catchphrases in a practiced quivering
    staccato voice in an attempt to project statesmanship that was as
    fake as Madonna’s face.

    “In the case of Russia’s actions in Ukraine, we have examined the
    evidence, we know the legal standards, and there is no doubt: These
    are crimes against humanity,” Harris declared, adding a warning to
    “those who have perpetrated these crimes, and to their superiors who >>> > are complicit in those crimes: You will be held to account.”

    There is some speculation that Russians have committed war crimes,
    including mass executions. Two questions, however, immediately
    arise: Did Ukrainians commit them too? And who evaluates and
    punishes the aforementioned crimes? George W. Bush and Barack Obama
    might know from personal experience how spurious, easy, and
    unprovable the war crimes charge might be, and how easy it is to
    dodge.

    “International relations” is anarchic because there are no global
    policemen; nuclear powers are nuclear powers for a reason, namely,
    it discourages direct interference from others. But once you lob the
    charge and promise retribution, you are then expected to address a
    question of major importance. “How, Comrade?”

    My colleague Jude Russo asked why, of all places, is the security
    conference in Munich. To which, I could logically only come up with
    one answer: The beer is solid—and what else could explain the
    mind-numbing self-congratulatory therapy sessions? It was not a
    serious conference on strategy because there is no strategic debate
    at least among the Westerners. There was consensus—which undercuts
    the point of having a conference anyway, of course.



    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/munichs-bacchanal-of-beery- bathos/

    no more comment …

    "The American Conservative was founded by Pat Buchanan"

    "Prominent contributors to The American Conservative have included ...
    Andrew Bacevich ... Pat Buchanan ...
    Douglas Macgregor ... Scott Ritter"

    no more comment …

    Но това ме подсети за няколко други имена, които бях пропуснал в
    предишен коментар - Джон Миършаймър,
    Катрина ванден Хувел, Тулси Габард, Алекс Джоунс, Ноум Чомски. Има и
    други, но те май нямат "high profile".

    Както бях казал някога отдавна - ти си взел страна и "истината"
    е винаги на нейнта страна. Както и Ник. И двамата сте еднакви в това
    отношение.

    сигурен ли си? защото аз нито съм русофил, нито съм антиваксър.

    същото важи и за теб в такъв случай.

    То всъщност всеки постъпва като вас без да забелязва даже, ама при вас
    двамата е направо откачено, като при религиозните фанатици и като при
    Пернатка с конспиративните глупости..

    а не, казвал съм - аз следвам принципа wyciwyg. така, че ако не ме блъскат
    с фанатизъм, няма да отговарям по същия начин.

    в групата най-големият русофил е ивайло - той става и ляга с путин и
    русия, от време на време и с народната република и комунистите. погледни
    колко теми и пращулки е отворил последната година, посветени на русия.

    толкова от мен по въпроса за фанатиците.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to chorbalan on Wed Mar 1 05:22:29 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 03:16:35 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

    Ти както обективно търсещ истината, успя ли да разбереш какви са цените
    на Русия/Путин в Украйна?
    Вече цяла година мина.

    Мисля че се промениха с времето.

    В началото беше да държи Украйна в своята сфера на влияние, вероятно с
    намерение впоследствие да я приобщи в общността. После му стана ясно че
    няма да я бъде и заради НАТОвските и мераци използва тормоза на
    руснаците там за да откъсне руско населена територия и да я отслаби.
    Сега целта изглежда е да се гарантира неутралитет на Украйна и ако стане
    инсталиране на марионетно правителство там.

    виж, с това съм горе-долу съгласен, имам разлики в детайлите, но те не са
    нито съществени, нито важни.

    Не търся истина в такива случаи понеже такава обективно няма.

    :) а ме обвиняваш във фанатизъм - виж какво ти отговаря ивайло и помисли
    пак кой е фанатика в групата.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to chorbalan on Wed Mar 1 05:28:51 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 05:22:14 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 05:19:22 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

    нито съм антиваксър.

    Си. Припяваш на крякането на пернатката.

    и тя не е.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to chorbalan on Wed Mar 1 08:57:50 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 05:20:47 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:57:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Как си представяш инсталирането на марионетно правителство при
    настоящите обстоятелства?

    И колко дни би издържало то в Киев без цялостна военна окупация на
    Украйна? Всяка седмица има убийства на руски служители (украински
    предатели) в окупираните в момента територии при положение, че те са
    едва към 10% от Украйна и в миналото бяха най-проруски настроените.
    Какво би станало с марионетките в Киев? В западна Украйна?

    Чак дотам не ми се гадае но може би има начин. Например почти всичко
    става с достатъчно пари.

    руснаците нямат фрс, а и повече от 30 години поддържаха украинската
    икономика.

    американците като наляха 5 милиарда долара, какво постигнаха?

    но това „руски служители (украински предатели)“ е наистина комично, да не
    казвам диагностично.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 08:31:51 2023
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Mar 1 18:06:16 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:30:13 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 12:20:48 AM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:57:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Как си представяш инсталирането на марионетно правителство при
    настоящите обстоятелства?
    И колко дни би издържало то в Киев без цялостна военна окупация на
    Украйна? Всяка седмица има убийства на руски служители (украински
    предатели) в окупираните в момента територии при положение, че те са
    едва към 10% от Украйна и в миналото бяха най-проруски настроените.
    Какво би станало с марионетките в Киев? В западна Украйна?

    Чак дотам не ми се гадае но може би има начин. Например почти всичко
    става с достатъчно пари.

    А дали ще имат достатъчно пари след тази война? Тази година (на база
    първите два месеца) ще им струва около $300 милиарда ($200 милиарда
    занижени приходи от газ/нефт и $100 милиарда от разходи за войната).
    Бюджетния дефицит на Русия за януари беше 1.76 трилиона рубли. Отделно,
    Русия едва ли някога отново ще види валутните си резерви в ЕЦБ (около
    300 милиарда евро).

    а аз мисля, че русия ще види доста повече от 300 милиарда от ецб. оставям
    на теб да съобразиш как ще стане това.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Mar 1 18:05:04 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:31:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 3:57:52 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 05:20:47 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:57:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Как си представяш инсталирането на марионетно правителство при
    настоящите обстоятелства?

    И колко дни би издържало то в Киев без цялостна военна окупация на
    Украйна? Всяка седмица има убийства на руски служители (украински
    предатели) в окупираните в момента територии при положение, че те са
    едва към 10% от Украйна и в миналото бяха най-проруски настроените.
    Какво би станало с марионетките в Киев? В западна Украйна?

    Чак дотам не ми се гадае но може би има начин. Например почти всичко
    става с достатъчно пари.

    руснаците нямат фрс, а и повече от 30 години поддържаха украинската
    икономика.

    американците като наляха 5 милиарда долара, какво постигнаха?

    но това „руски служители (украински предатели)“ е наистина комично, да
    не казвам диагностично.

    Ако българи работят за държава, която е във война с България те какви
    са?

    не и руски служители. има друга дума, може да я потърсиш в речника.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 10:14:07 2023
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Mar 1 18:21:22 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 10:14:07 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:31:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 3:57:52 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 05:20:47 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:57:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Как си представяш инсталирането на марионетно правителство при
    настоящите обстоятелства?

    И колко дни би издържало то в Киев без цялостна военна окупация
    на Украйна? Всяка седмица има убийства на руски служители
    (украински предатели) в окупираните в момента територии при
    положение, че те са едва към 10% от Украйна и в миналото бяха
    най-проруски настроените. Какво би станало с марионетките в Киев?
    В западна Украйна?

    Чак дотам не ми се гадае но може би има начин. Например почти
    всичко става с достатъчно пари.

    руснаците нямат фрс, а и повече от 30 години поддържаха украинската
    икономика.

    американците като наляха 5 милиарда долара, какво постигнаха?

    но това „руски служители (украински предатели)“ е наистина комично,
    да не казвам диагностично.

    Ако българи работят за държава, която е във война с България те какви
    са?

    не и руски служители. има друга дума, може да я потърсиш в речника.

    Мислех, че е ясно, че когато говоря за предатели имам предвид украински
    граждани станали руски служители в окупираните територии.

    ами не винаги е ясно за какво говориш.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Mar 1 18:19:59 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 10:14:42 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:06:18 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:30:13 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 12:20:48 AM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:57:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Как си представяш инсталирането на марионетно правителство при
    настоящите обстоятелства?
    И колко дни би издържало то в Киев без цялостна военна окупация на
    Украйна? Всяка седмица има убийства на руски служители (украински
    предатели) в окупираните в момента територии при положение, че те
    са едва към 10% от Украйна и в миналото бяха най-проруски
    настроените. Какво би станало с марионетките в Киев? В западна
    Украйна?

    Чак дотам не ми се гадае но може би има начин. Например почти всичко
    става с достатъчно пари.

    А дали ще имат достатъчно пари след тази война? Тази година (на база
    първите два месеца) ще им струва около $300 милиарда ($200 милиарда
    занижени приходи от газ/нефт и $100 милиарда от разходи за войната).
    Бюджетния дефицит на Русия за януари беше 1.76 трилиона рубли.
    Отделно, Русия едва ли някога отново ще види валутните си резерви в
    ЕЦБ (около 300 милиарда евро).

    а аз мисля, че русия ще види доста повече от 300 милиарда от ецб.
    оставям на теб да съобразиш как ще стане това.

    И хабер си нямам.

    ами хубаво, значи ти остава да стоиш и гледаш, без да се обаждаш.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 10:52:04 2023
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Mar 1 19:01:18 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 10:52:04 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:20:01 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 10:14:42 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:06:18 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:30:13 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 12:20:48 AM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:57:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Как си представяш инсталирането на марионетно правителство при
    настоящите обстоятелства?
    И колко дни би издържало то в Киев без цялостна военна окупация
    на Украйна? Всяка седмица има убийства на руски служители
    (украински предатели) в окупираните в момента територии при
    положение, че те са едва към 10% от Украйна и в миналото бяха
    най-проруски настроените. Какво би станало с марионетките в
    Киев? В западна Украйна?

    Чак дотам не ми се гадае но може би има начин. Например почти
    всичко става с достатъчно пари.

    А дали ще имат достатъчно пари след тази война? Тази година (на
    база първите два месеца) ще им струва около $300 милиарда ($200
    милиарда занижени приходи от газ/нефт и $100 милиарда от разходи
    за войната). Бюджетния дефицит на Русия за януари беше 1.76
    трилиона рубли. Отделно, Русия едва ли някога отново ще види
    валутните си резерви в ЕЦБ (около 300 милиарда евро).

    а аз мисля, че русия ще види доста повече от 300 милиарда от ецб.
    оставям на теб да съобразиш как ще стане това.

    И хабер си нямам.

    ами хубаво, значи ти остава да стоиш и гледаш, без да се обаждаш.

    Ами нали това правя? 1.76 трилиона рубли дефицит за януари.

    но се обаждаш.

    вместо да се обаждаш, виж там колко стана вашият дълг, руснаците не ги
    мисли.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 13:59:23 2023
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Mar 2 00:51:08 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:30:13 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Отделно, Русия едва ли някога отново ще види валутните си резерви
    в ЕЦБ (около 300 милиарда евро).

    Това защо?

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Mar 2 02:12:50 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 17:38:31 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 7:51:09 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:30:13 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Отделно, Русия едва ли някога отново ще види валутните си резерви
    в ЕЦБ (около 300 милиарда евро).
    Това защо?

    В момента са запорирани. Според изхода на войната в бъдеще или ще бъдат дадени на
    Украйна или Русия ще ги види след толкова години след колкото западните инвеститори
    в руски държавни облигации си видяха парите след октомврийската революция. Със
    сигурност не през живота на Путин или неговия непосредствен наследник.

    Toва би било кражба и отблъсне доста клиенти, но не е изключено.
    Тази банка ако се окаже политически лост на запада няма да прокопса
    извън ЕС.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 19:43:41 2023
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Mar 2 04:37:18 2023
    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 13:59:23 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 2:01:20 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 10:52:04 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:20:01 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 10:14:42 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:06:18 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:30:13 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 12:20:48 AM UTC-5, chorbalan
    wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:57:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Как си представяш инсталирането на марионетно правителство
    при настоящите обстоятелства?
    И колко дни би издържало то в Киев без цялостна военна
    окупация на Украйна? Всяка седмица има убийства на руски
    служители (украински предатели) в окупираните в момента
    територии при положение, че те са едва към 10% от Украйна и
    в миналото бяха най-проруски настроените. Какво би станало с
    марионетките в Киев? В западна Украйна?

    Чак дотам не ми се гадае но може би има начин. Например почти
    всичко става с достатъчно пари.

    А дали ще имат достатъчно пари след тази война? Тази година (на
    база първите два месеца) ще им струва около $300 милиарда ($200
    милиарда занижени приходи от газ/нефт и $100 милиарда от
    разходи за войната). Бюджетния дефицит на Русия за януари беше
    1.76 трилиона рубли. Отделно, Русия едва ли някога отново ще
    види валутните си резерви в ЕЦБ (около 300 милиарда евро).

    а аз мисля, че русия ще види доста повече от 300 милиарда от ецб.
    оставям на теб да съобразиш как ще стане това.

    И хабер си нямам.

    ами хубаво, значи ти остава да стоиш и гледаш, без да се обаждаш.

    Ами нали това правя? 1.76 трилиона рубли дефицит за януари.
    но се обаждаш.

    вместо да се обаждаш, виж там колко стана вашият дълг, руснаците не ги
    мисли.

    Нашият дефицит е безумно висок, но долара е глобалната резервна валута и
    всички се хвърлят да ни купуват дълга. От друга страна рублата дори не е

    всички казваш?

    https://i0.wp.com/www.contrepoints.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/bonner- inflation-5.jpg?w=659&ssl=1

    напълно конвертируема в момента. За резервна валута изобщо да не
    говорим. С други думи, Русия няма как да финансират дефицит от 15% от
    БВП без да предизвика висока или направо хипер инфлация. Единственото,
    което може да ги спаси е петрола да скочи пак до $130-150 за барел. Не е
    изключено, ако не се случи хипер инфлацията в Русия е вързана в кърпа.

    мисля, че прибързваш (няма да казвам като какво).

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Mar 2 19:49:02 2023
    On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 11:00:19 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:37:19 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 13:59:23 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 2:01:20 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 10:52:04 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:20:01 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 10:14:42 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:06:18 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:30:13 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 12:20:48 AM UTC-5, chorbalan
    wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:57:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov
    wrote:

    Как си представяш инсталирането на марионетно
    правителство при настоящите обстоятелства?
    И колко дни би издържало то в Киев без цялостна военна
    окупация на Украйна? Всяка седмица има убийства на руски
    служители (украински предатели) в окупираните в момента
    територии при положение, че те са едва към 10% от Украйна
    и в миналото бяха най-проруски настроените. Какво би
    станало с марионетките в Киев? В западна Украйна?

    Чак дотам не ми се гадае но може би има начин. Например
    почти всичко става с достатъчно пари.

    А дали ще имат достатъчно пари след тази война? Тази година
    (на база първите два месеца) ще им струва около $300
    милиарда ($200 милиарда занижени приходи от газ/нефт и $100
    милиарда от разходи за войната). Бюджетния дефицит на Русия
    за януари беше 1.76 трилиона рубли. Отделно, Русия едва ли
    някога отново ще види валутните си резерви в ЕЦБ (около 300
    милиарда евро).

    а аз мисля, че русия ще види доста повече от 300 милиарда от
    ецб.

    оставям на теб да съобразиш как ще стане това.

    И хабер си нямам.

    ами хубаво, значи ти остава да стоиш и гледаш, без да се обаждаш.

    Ами нали това правя? 1.76 трилиона рубли дефицит за януари.
    но се обаждаш.

    вместо да се обаждаш, виж там колко стана вашият дълг, руснаците не
    ги мисли.

    Нашият дефицит е безумно висок, но долара е глобалната резервна
    валута и всички се хвърлят да ни купуват дълга. От друга страна
    рублата дори не е

    всички казваш?

    https://i0.wp.com/www.contrepoints.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/ bonner-inflation-5.jpg?w=659&ssl=1

    Знаеш ли какво си показал по-горе? Иначе в момента ТLT е още по-долу
    (днес пак падна под 100).

    обясненията оставям на теб, аз нали нямам капацитет за тях.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Mar 2 19:50:46 2023
    On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 10:56:37 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:37:19 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 13:59:23 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 2:01:20 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 10:52:04 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:20:01 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 10:14:42 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:06:18 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:30:13 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 12:20:48 AM UTC-5, chorbalan
    wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:57:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov
    wrote:

    Как си представяш инсталирането на марионетно
    правителство при настоящите обстоятелства?
    И колко дни би издържало то в Киев без цялостна военна
    окупация на Украйна? Всяка седмица има убийства на руски
    служители (украински предатели) в окупираните в момента
    територии при положение, че те са едва към 10% от Украйна
    и в миналото бяха най-проруски настроените. Какво би
    станало с марионетките в Киев? В западна Украйна?

    Чак дотам не ми се гадае но може би има начин. Например
    почти всичко става с достатъчно пари.

    А дали ще имат достатъчно пари след тази война? Тази година
    (на база първите два месеца) ще им струва около $300
    милиарда ($200 милиарда занижени приходи от газ/нефт и $100
    милиарда от разходи за войната). Бюджетния дефицит на Русия
    за януари беше 1.76 трилиона рубли. Отделно, Русия едва ли
    някога отново ще види валутните си резерви в ЕЦБ (около 300
    милиарда евро).

    а аз мисля, че русия ще види доста повече от 300 милиарда от
    ецб.

    оставям на теб да съобразиш как ще стане това.

    И хабер си нямам.

    ами хубаво, значи ти остава да стоиш и гледаш, без да се обаждаш.

    Ами нали това правя? 1.76 трилиона рубли дефицит за януари.
    но се обаждаш.

    вместо да се обаждаш, виж там колко стана вашият дълг, руснаците не
    ги мисли.

    Нашият дефицит е безумно висок, но долара е глобалната резервна
    валута и всички се хвърлят да ни купуват дълга. От друга страна
    рублата дори не е

    всички казваш?

    https://i0.wp.com/www.contrepoints.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/ bonner-inflation-5.jpg?w=659&ssl=1

    напълно конвертируема в момента. За резервна валута изобщо да не
    говорим. С други думи, Русия няма как да финансират дефицит от 15% от
    БВП без да предизвика висока или направо хипер инфлация.
    Единственото, което може да ги спаси е петрола да скочи пак до
    $130-150 за барел. Не е изключено, ако не се случи хипер инфлацията в
    Русия е вързана в кърпа.

    мисля, че прибързваш (няма да казвам като какво).

    “There will be no money already next year”
    “that’s why they’ve already begun to shake us down”

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/billionaire-deripaska-warns-russia-
    may-093939089.html

    "for the next 25 years, we will think more about our Asian past"

    Този май ще скочи от прозорец скоро.

    и на теб ти е жал за него?

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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