https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/cdc-and-fda-identify-preliminary-covid-19-vaccine-safety-signal-persons-aged-65-years-and-older

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Конспиратор, а?

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On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:34:28 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/cdc-and-fda-identify-preliminary-covid-19-vaccine-safety-signal-persons-aged-65-years-and-older

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Какво точно те смути? За какво бягане говнориш?

Конспиратор, а?

Бесен, при това.

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On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 17:24:29 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 9:54:39 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:34:28 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/cdc-and-fda-identify-preliminary-covid-19-vaccine-safety-signal-persons-aged-65-years-and-older

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Какво точно те смути? За какво бягане говнориш?

Конспиратор, а?

Бесен, при това.

и двамата не сте в ред :-)
не можете да четете ли, що ли...
"CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), a near real-time surveillance system, met the statistical criteria to prompt additional investigation into whether there was a safety concern for ischemic stroke in people ages 65 and older who received the

Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine"

знаете ли какво значи това? сериозно ли не разбирате или се правите на ударени?
преведено на прост език - имат достатъчно голям брой данни и не могат да го пренебрегнат
повече. Естествено ще бягат по тъча (както и Ивайло) до последно.

Системата за проактивна обраотка, демек предупреждава за потенциални отклонения преди да
има проблем, за да се провери дали има наистина проблем в развитие или е фалшив сигнал.
И като прочетем по-надолу се оказва че няма. Ама Петрухова това го пропуска, щото не и
уйдисва на конспиративния акъл.
Хората с такъв акъл, очевидно генетично обусловен, са или религиозни фанатици, или
конспиративни теористи, в зависмост от средата.

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On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 17:49:51 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 8:40:15 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 17:24:29 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 9:54:39 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:34:28 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/cdc-and-fda-identify-preliminary-covid-19-vaccine-safety-signal-persons-aged-65-years-and-older

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Какво точно те смути? За какво бягане говнориш?

Конспиратор, а?

Бесен, при това.

и двамата не сте в ред :-)
не можете да четете ли, що ли...
"CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), a near real-time surveillance system, met the statistical criteria to prompt additional investigation into whether there was a safety concern for ischemic stroke in people ages 65 and older who received the

Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine"

знаете ли какво значи това? сериозно ли не разбирате или се правите на ударени?
преведено на прост език - имат достатъчно голям брой данни и не могат да го пренебрегнат
повече. Естествено ще бягат по тъча (както и Ивайло) до последно.

Системата за проактивна обраотка, демек предупреждава за потенциални отклонения преди да
има проблем, за да се провери дали има наистина проблем в развитие или е фалшив сигнал.
И като прочетем по-надолу се оказва че няма. Ама Петрухова това го пропуска, щото не и
уйдисва на конспиративния акъл.
Хората с такъв акъл, очевидно генетично обусловен, са или религиозни фанатици, или
конспиративни теористи, в зависмост от средата.

Ха-ха! Някой трабва да потърси тези гени. Ще интересно е да видим какво правят в главата на хората.

Ми набирай грантове и почвай.
Kaкво правят в главата на хората сам виждаш - куха хралупа с няколко мухи вътре :-DDD

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 19:42:27 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 5:40:15 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 17:24:29 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 9:54:39 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:34:28 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability- biologics/cdc-and-fda-identify-preliminary-covid-19-vaccine-safety-signal- persons-aged-65-years-and-older

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse- events.html

Какво точно те смути? За какво бягане говнориш?

Конспиратор, а?

Бесен, при това.

и двамата не сте в ред :-)
не можете да четете ли, що ли...
"CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), a near real-time surveillance
system, met the statistical criteria to prompt additional
investigation into whether there was a safety concern for ischemic
stroke in people ages 65 and older who received the Pfizer-BioNTech
COVID-19 Vaccine"

знаете ли какво значи това? сериозно ли не разбирате или се правите
на ударени?
преведено на прост език - имат достатъчно голям брой данни и не могат
да го пренебрегнат повече. Естествено ще бягат по тъча (както и
Ивайло) до последно.

Системата за проактивна обраотка, демек предупреждава за потенциални
отклонения преди да има проблем, за да се провери дали има наистина
проблем в развитие или е фалшив сигнал.

:-)))))))
ха ха ха глупости явно нищо не ти е ясно. Трябва да е статистически значимо, за да му обърнат изобщо внимание.
Никой не проверява случайни сигнали дали са фалшиви.
Просто напоследък все повече зачестяват такива случаи и не могат да ги
игнорират.

И като прочетем по-надолу се оказва че няма.

Ама естествено, че така ще казват, нали затова говоря, за бягане по
тъча. Ще отричат като партизанин на разпит.

Ама Петрухова това го пропуска, щото не и уйдисва на конспиративния
акъл.

Хората с такъв акъл, очевидно генетично обусловен, са или религиозни
фанатици, или конспиративни теористи, в зависмост от средата.

Абе нека съм конспиратор, ама фактите като започнат да те бият по
главата...

По време на световното по футбол трима журналисти починаха от сърдечен
удар На по 30-40 години. изпълнителен директор в телевизия, певци,
музиканти.

и това са само известни хора.

Фактите няма как да се скрият. Има увеличена смъртност, тотално
несвързана с ковид в момента.

еее, как така няма? ако няма връзка с ваксините, които имат връзка с
ковида, защо тогава изобщо се обсъжда увеличената смъртност?

нали точно това е притеснителното - ако причините за тази увеличена
смъртност (по различни причини) са следствие от ваксините?

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:05:55 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Починалите ще превишат новородените в САЩ много преди 2100 при
сегашните (прогрерастки) тенденции.

Toва защо непременно да е лошо? Според мене Земята е препълнена
и няма нужда от повече хора. Особено в "туземните" страни като
Индия, Китай и т.н..

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:19:05 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Хора умират от cardiac arrest, рак... не от ковид

Не умират от ковид? Кьорава и глупава едновременно..

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:19:05 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Там е работата, че може. Това, че ти тъпоумно го отричаш нищо не
означава.

Не Може.

Хора умират от cardiac arrest, рак... не от ковид в България по принцип
са се увеличили смъртните случаи от рак.

все още никой не е изключил или доказал връзката между двете неща. имаше
един български лекар (симидчийски или симидчиев), който беше писал
смислени статии по време на пандемията - че коронавирусът предизвиква
васкуларни заболявания (или че ковид трябва да се разглежда като такова
заболяване) и трябва болните да се лекуват от това, а не от отделните
симптоми.

доколко е компетентен доктора, ще оставя на ивайло да преценява, че се
ориентира по-добре в различните импакт фактори и хаш индекси, но мисля че
тезата му заслужава внимание - че коронавирусът отключва различни
заболявания в хората. какви точно ще бъдат и дали наистина е така, могат
да покажат бъдещи изследвания.

@ivaylo - чети внимателно какво съм написал, че да не разбереш пак нещо
превратно.

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:11:57 +0200, N Kostoff wrote:

On 20.1.2023 г. 2:19, Радостина wrote:
...

Хора умират от cardiac arrest, рак... не от ковид...

Имам усещане (може би неоснователно), че това нещо 'cardiac arrest' се
появи през последните десетина години. По-рано не се споменаваше.

тук не използват ли думата инфаркт? или това са две различни понятия?

разбрах, че вече няма и склероза.

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 13:03:15 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:06:26 PM UTC-8, Nick wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 19:42:27 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 5:40:15 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 17:24:29 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 9:54:39 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:34:28 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety- availability-biologics/cdc-and-fda-identify-preliminary-covid-19-vaccine- safety-signal-persons-aged-65-years-and-older

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/ adverse-events.html

Какво точно те смути? За какво бягане говнориш?

Конспиратор, а?

Бесен, при това.

и двамата не сте в ред :-)
не можете да четете ли, що ли...
"CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), a near real-time
surveillance system, met the statistical criteria to prompt
additional investigation into whether there was a safety concern
for ischemic stroke in people ages 65 and older who received the
Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine"

знаете ли какво значи това? сериозно ли не разбирате или се
правите на ударени?
преведено на прост език - имат достатъчно голям брой данни и не
могат да го пренебрегнат повече. Естествено ще бягат по тъча
(както и Ивайло) до последно.

Системата за проактивна обраотка, демек предупреждава за потенциални
отклонения преди да има проблем, за да се провери дали има наистина
проблем в развитие или е фалшив сигнал.

:-)))))))
ха ха ха глупости явно нищо не ти е ясно. >> > Трябва да е статистически значимо, за да му обърнат изобщо внимание.
Никой не проверява случайни сигнали дали са фалшиви.
Просто напоследък все повече зачестяват такива случаи и не могат да
ги игнорират.

И като прочетем по-надолу се оказва че няма.

Ама естествено, че така ще казват, нали затова говоря, за бягане по
тъча. Ще отричат като партизанин на разпит.

Ама Петрухова това го пропуска, щото не и уйдисва на конспиративния
акъл.

Хората с такъв акъл, очевидно генетично обусловен, са или религиозни
фанатици, или конспиративни теористи, в зависмост от средата.

Абе нека съм конспиратор, ама фактите като започнат да те бият по
главата...

По време на световното по футбол трима журналисти починаха от
сърдечен удар На по 30-40 години. изпълнителен директор в телевизия,
певци, музиканти.

и това са само известни хора.

Фактите няма как да се скрият. Има увеличена смъртност, тотално
несвързана с ковид в момента.

еее, как така няма? ако няма връзка с ваксините, които имат връзка с
ковида, защо тогава изобщо се обсъжда увеличената смъртност?

Защото за увеличената смъртност трябва да има причина!
Естествено една от причините може да са ваксините.
Но ако не са, тогава какво?

ами доколкото виждам, точно това се опитват да разберат. и опитите да се
припишат само на ваксините не са най-добрият подход според мен.

В сравнение с 2019 (преди пандемично) смъртността е много по-висока.

Приемайки че от 2020-2022 смъртността е извън рамки.

И не говоря само за България, а в световен мащаб.

Не зная всички тези хора, които умират внезапно дали някой води
статистика дали са вксинирани и с колко дози, някой трябва да води
изследвания по тази тема, най-малкото за да изключи ваксините като
фактор (ако е възможно разбира се)

вадят, но според мен е рано да се говори каквото и да е.

нали точно това е притеснителното - ако причините за тази увеличена
смъртност (по различни причини) са следствие от ваксините?

Е, тогава ни се разказа играта :-)))

Още преди 1-2 години се пусна мълвата, че до 5 години всички ваксинирани
ще умрат.

Тогава се изсмях.
Днес не ми е смешно.

не е смешно, и пандемията не беше, ако и аз да го изкарах сравнително
леко. но едното от двете ми вирусни заболявания през декември беше по-
тежко от всичко, което съм карал досега. та се чудя дали е следствие от
короната или просто остарявам.

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:11:57 +0200, N Kostoff wrote:

On 20.1.2023 г. 2:19, Радостина wrote:
...

Хора умират от cardiac arrest, рак... не от ковид...

Имам усещане (може би неоснователно), че това нещо 'cardiac arrest' се
появи през последните десетина години. По-рано не се споменаваше.

Странно.
_____
НК

Инаше го и преди, сега може би го споменават по-често или му
обръщаме повече внимание поради възрастта ни.

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:15:00 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:05:55 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Починалите ще превишат новородените в САЩ много преди 2100 при
сегашните (прогрерастки) тенденции.

Toва защо непременно да е лошо? Според мене Земята е препълнена
и няма нужда от повече хора. Особено в "туземните" страни като
Индия, Китай и т.н..

Днес Китай е там, където беше България през 1991. Те вече имат повече починали от новородени
и в идните години дефицита рязко ще се увеличи. На Индия ще й трябват поне още 20-30 години да
достигне този момент. Проблема не е, че ще има по-малко родени от починали, а голямото разминаване,
както например е в България. Демографския срив има редица негативни последици.

Динамиката на човешките популации по нищо не се различава от тази на което
и да е друго животно: там където има условия се множат докато изядат всичко
след което има срив. Умът не помага изобщо когато се касае за поведение на тълпа.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:25:26 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 1:21:01 PM UTC-5, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:11:59 AM UTC-5, N Kostoff wrote:

On 20.1.2023 г. 2:19, Радостина wrote:
...

Хора умират от cardiac arrest, рак... не от ковид...

Имам усещане (може би неоснователно), че това нещо 'cardiac arrest' се
появи през последните десетина години. По-рано не се споменаваше.

Странно.

В САЩ се използва от как съм тук. За България не мога да кажа. Кратък списък
на по-известни спортисти починали в резултат от "cardiac arrest" през годините:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_cardiac_death_of_athletes

Между другото, като бях аспирант в Юта съседна на нас лаборатория търсеше гени
свързани със "cardiac arrest". Още тогава бяха намерени немалко. Днес навярно са
много повече (не че всички случаи на "cardiac arrest" са генетично обосновани).

Това май е много свързано с голямото разпространение на "възстановяващи средстава"
и повсеместната наркомания ама се престискват да го кажат директно да не се обиди
някой..

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On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 8:34:29 PM UTC-8, Радостина wrote:

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/cdc-and-fda-identify-preliminary-covid-19-vaccine-safety-signal-persons-aged-65-years-and-older

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Конспиратор, а?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11662985/Memorial-Diamond-pro-Trump-vloggers-Diamond-Silk-goes-rails.html

:-D

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 14:08:54 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 5:05:09 AM UTC-8, Nick wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:11:57 +0200, N Kostoff wrote:

On 20.1.2023 г. 2:19, Радостина wrote:
...

Хора умират от cardiac arrest, рак... не от ковид...

Имам усещане (може би неоснователно), че това нещо 'cardiac arrest'
се появи през последните десетина години. По-рано не се споменаваше.

тук не използват ли думата инфаркт? или това са две различни понятия?

разбрах, че вече няма и склероза.

За коя склерозаа става въпрос? :-)

при възрастните хора - забравянето, разсейването, тези неща.

от медицинска точка не зная, но инфаркт е heart attack

на български не съм чувал да се казва друго освен инфаркт, даже и при
внезапно спиране на сърцето.

разговорно се използва инфаркт, макар че в медицински смисъл, инфаркт има
друго определение (imho).

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 13:55:35 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:56:46 AM UTC-8, Nick wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 13:03:15 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Тогава се изсмях. Днес не ми е смешно.

не е смешно, и пандемията не беше, ако и аз да го изкарах сравнително
леко. но едното от двете ми вирусни заболявания през декември беше по-
тежко от всичко, което съм карал досега. та се чудя дали е следствие от
короната или просто остарявам

Аз не съм боледувала от вирусно заболяване от декември 2019 (на няколко
пъти мислех, че се разболявам, оказаха се алергиите ми)
Но 2019 карах нещо много странно, оето после като четох имаше всички
симптоми на ковид, но не мога да твърдя със сигурност какво беше.

при нас ги докара малкия от детската градина. аз обикновено ги карам по
ден, най-много два и то без да губя работоспособност. но за второто
трябваше да ходя и до лекари. в началото мислех, че е алергия, защото съм
алергоподатлив, но се оказа накрая нещо като ларингеална дисфункция като
усложнение от заболяването. а преди минавах без усложнения

Не съм ваксинирана, маска не нося, и не съм се стресирала и страхувала
нито един ден. Обаче ме депресира обстановката, ненужните локдауни,
липсата на стоки по магазините, затваряне на магазини, кина а че
остаряваме, остаряваме

и аз така, само маска носех, когато трябваше, но пък и не съм се
депресирал от нищо - явно светогледа ми е такъв.

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