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On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 19:05:22 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 8:54:54 AM UTC-7, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

"More than a third of Americans earning at least $250,000 annually say
they are living paycheck to paycheck"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-01/a-third-of- americans-making-250-000-say-costs-eat-entire-salary

А в други страни, като Китай, хората пестяха 1/3 от заработените си
пари, дори когато правеха под $100 на месец. Всичко е до нагласата.
Това във връска с писанията на Нерадост.

Винаги съм знаела че си елементарен човек :-)
Хайде живей в САЩ със $100 на месец, та и спестявай :-)))
И не знам откъде ги измисли тези $100 при положение че средната заплата
в Китай е почти токова колкото в Щатите. Дори в Русия не можеш където
средната аплата е около $1500 на месец.

Виж в Куба сигурно може. Та хайде престани с глупостите си.
А тези, които получават $250,000 имат и повече разходи, защото
стандартът е друг, частните училища бяха $30 000 на година, сега сигурно
са повече, скъпи къщи, скъпи коли....

joy, 100-те долара се отнасят за китай, не за сащ.

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 06:31:20 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Посмали Манго. Средната заплата в Русия не е $1500 на месец, дори по
завишения курс на рублата.

завишен курс на рублата ли прочетох?!

нали беше рубла за 2 стотинки? колко е сега?

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 06:31:20 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Кой ги кара да купуват или вземат по наем скъпи къщи

Па то в Калифорния други няма бе ;-)

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On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 20:34:20 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Средната в Китай е $4500 на месец.

Сложила си една 0 в повече...

Естествено че ще си пратя децата в частно училище,
в най-доброто ще ги пратя ако мога да си го позволя.

Демек според дете най-скъпото е най-добро? Па това е типично
плебейско мислене.

Ще карам скъпа кола, ще си купя Ферари или Макларен. Защото така ми е кеф.
Няма да живея като скот. Ще се храня в най-скъпите ресторанти.

Плебейски мераци...интересно как колкото са по-малко парите им,
толкова по-големи са мераците им..

Ще дарявам на бедни, ще обикалям света.

A кой ще изкарва парите през това време?

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 08:21:15 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

https://www.nsi.bg/bg/content/3928/%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE

"творчески продукти" - това какво ще рече?

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 19:29:50 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 5:20:02 PM UTC-7, Радостина wrote:

On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 8:59:32 PM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 20:34:20 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Средната в Китай е $4500 на месец.

Сложила си една 0 в повече...

Не. И мен ме учуди, но това намирам.

In China, the average monthly salary is 29,300 Yuan (Chinese Yuan),
equating to USD 4,534 (US dollars) per month according to the exchange
rate in July 2021. The annual average wage of a typical Chinese
employee is around 3,51,600 Yuan (USD 54,422). The median salary in
China is 31,100 Yuan (USD 4,813) per month. The average salary in China
ranges from 7,410 Yuan per month (USD 1,145) to 1,31,000 Yuan (USD
20,245) per month.

Това вярваш ли го?? Ако беше вярно китайската икономика щеше да е 4 пъти
по-голяма от американската. Как можеш да се ловиш на толкова голи куки?

ей как си личи ограничения мозък значи. и кой вярва на опорки.

що не сравниш реалните стоки, произвеждани в двете държави? да не се
окаже, че китайската икономика по този критерии е по-голяма повече от
четири пъти?

ама не да повтаряш опорки, а да направиш анализ. може и по сектори --
тежка и лека индустрия, селско стопанство etc.

помниш ли онази притча за германски турист на гръцкия остров, която
ignorantia ти я разясни?

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On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 21:16:37 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

ККП може да ги спре, и със сигурност ще го направи.

Тя (ккп ) вече почна, Бог да я поживи :-)

За китайските заплата от тяхната си статистика: http://www.stats.gov.cn/english/PressRelease/202201/t20220118_1826649.html
Демек около $5250 годишно за 2021.

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On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 21:00:28 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 7:22:58 PM UTC-7, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Прави си пари и си ги харчи. Някой да те спира?

Аз да не би чужди пари да харча? -)))) въпросът беше съвсем друг, защо хора, които правят $250,000 на година
да не карат поршета и ферарита, да имат големи къщи с басейн и тн.
Ти какво искаш - да живеят в гетото и да пестят всяка стотинка? Жалък живот.
Аз веднага бих си купила спортна кола, това е, харесвам ги, слабост, не е до пари,
не е до фукане, това си е моя мечта и не ми дреме какво мислят хората.

Те това е плебейското мислене...
Прочее с $250К в Калифорния ще гледаш голяма къща с басейн през крив макарон..

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 05:11:42 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

да не се
окаже, че китайската икономика по този критерии е по-голяма повече от
четири пъти?

Ми не. Освен това Китай произвежда неимоверни боклуци, които обаче се
купуват/купуваха. Толкова за качеството дето си заслужавало парите.
Прочее известни в близкото минало с качеството си западни марки също
произвеждат болкук в последните 15+ години, например Мерцедес и БМВ,
френското вино също се влоши неимоверно. При това западните бокуци са
скъпи, за разлика от китакските.

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On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Желая да плащат, не само на мен, адекватно.

Ми те плащат, зависи от работата.

Но с по-големи заплати идват и по-големи разходи.

Глупости...освенн ако нямаш пред вид данъците.

Питай как живеят хората с по 25 000 - 30 000 на година.

Ами живеят както се живее с толкова. Да вземат да изкарват повече
ако не им харесва.. или да отидат на по-евтино место..

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 05:30:05 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 05:11:42 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

да не се окаже, че китайската икономика по този критерии е по-голяма
повече от четири пъти?

Ми не. Освен това Китай произвежда неимоверни боклуци, които обаче се
купуват/купуваха. Толкова за качеството дето си заслужавало парите.

китай може да произвежда и качествени стоки, но които си струват парите.
не е тяхна вината, че произвеждат повече от това, което се търси. нали
дългата ръка на пазара :)

преди години имаше проблем с ram паметта на компютрите, сглобявани в
българия. рекламациите се приемаха безропотно, даваше ти се нова памет,
която да сложиш в компютъра (или сами я слагаха, ако ти не можеш). какво
се оказа -- българските търговци са купували памет, преди да мине през
качествен контрол и съответно е струвала по-евтино. за вина на китайците
тук може да приемем, че изобщо са се съгласили на такава сделка, но това
вече е друга тема.

Прочее известни в близкото минало с качеството си западни марки също
произвеждат болкук в последните 15+ години, например Мерцедес и БМВ,
френското вино също се влоши неимоверно. При това западните бокуци са
скъпи, за разлика от китакските.

ами конспиративната теория за програмираното остаряване май ще се окаже
вярна :)

между другото, темата за китайската, а и за световната икономика, не може
да я обхванем в няколко коментара. и си иска отделна тема за нея (imho).

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 06:56:32 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

китай може да произвежда и качествени стоки, но които си струват парите.

Може, в някои случаи, но са скъпи и не си стуват парите.
Да не говорим че в техните електроники винаги има нещо което те следи.

ами конспиративната теория за програмираното остаряване май ще се окаже

вярна

Няма такава, това е неоспорван факт. Скъпите и качествени марки от миналото вече са само скъпи, например
въпросните коли почват да се скапват след 5-6 години докато преди са
траели то 25-30..

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 16:12:54 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 06:56:32 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

китай може да произвежда и качествени стоки, но които си струват
парите.

Може, в някои случаи, но са скъпи и не си струват парите.

е, някои хора не мислят така. но това е без значение в случая.

Да не говорим че в техните електроники винаги има нещо което те следи.

а в американските няма?

ами конспиративната теория за програмираното остаряване май ще се окаже

вярна

Няма такава, това е неоспорван факт.

е, значи вече е доказана, щом е станала неоспорим факт :)

Скъпите и качествени марки от миналото вече са само скъпи, например
въпросните коли почват да се скапват след 5-6 години докато преди са
траели то 25-30..

ти пък, само 25-30 :)

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 17:28:01 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

Може, в някои случаи, но са скъпи и не си струват парите.

е, някои хора не мислят така. но това е без значение в случая.

Глупаци всякакви..

Да не говорим че в техните електроники винаги има нещо което те следи.

а в американските няма?

Трудно. Тука ако има нещо подобно е публикувано скрито в предългият,
досаден и трудноразбираем текст който повечето не четат и малко разбират.
То май повечето не могат и да го четат без лупа.
В китайските боклуци диверсията е скрита и за нея никъде нито дума.

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 18:34:30 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 17:28:01 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

Може, в някои случаи, но са скъпи и не си струват парите.

е, някои хора не мислят така. но това е без значение в случая.

Глупаци всякакви..

Да не говорим че в техните електроники винаги има нещо което те
следи.

а в американските няма?

Трудно. Тука ако има нещо подобно е публикувано скрито в предългият,
досаден и трудноразбираем текст който повечето не четат и малко
разбират.

То май повечето не могат и да го четат без лупа.
В китайските боклуци диверсията е скрита и за нея никъде нито дума.

ok, няма да споря :)

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 15:00:02 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Почти нищо вече не се произвежда в САЩ или Западна Европа.

To затова са боклуци.
Пътните ремонти от няколко години и те се правят от мексикански
бригади и стават по-лоши от преди ремонта - на бабунки, задника
ти подскача на седалката на колелото... На мексиканецът като му
кажеш че не си доволен и той не може да разбере от какво - човекът
така е свикнал, за него е топ качество, за тебе - приемливо с
много уговорки.

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 19:08:36 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Икономическите им проблеми тепърва започват.

В Китай както и в България "инвестират" в имоти, ама там са много
по-зле: има построени цели градове в които никой не живее, но всичко
е продадено щото недвижимия имот си държал цената !? Това ще се пукне
всеки момент там и олеле-мале, чак нас ще ни заболи...

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 19:01:31 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 1:11:43 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 19:29:50 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 5:20:02 PM UTC-7, Радостина wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 8:59:32 PM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 20:34:20 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Средната в Китай е $4500 на месец.

Сложила си една 0 в повече...

Не. И мен ме учуди, но това намирам.

In China, the average monthly salary is 29,300 Yuan (Chinese Yuan),
equating to USD 4,534 (US dollars) per month according to the
exchange rate in July 2021. The annual average wage of a typical
Chinese employee is around 3,51,600 Yuan (USD 54,422). The median
salary in China is 31,100 Yuan (USD 4,813) per month. The average
salary in China ranges from 7,410 Yuan per month (USD 1,145) to
1,31,000 Yuan (USD 20,245) per month.

Това вярваш ли го?? Ако беше вярно китайската икономика щеше да е 4
пъти по-голяма от американската. Как можеш да се ловиш на толкова
голи куки?

ей как си личи ограничения мозък значи. и кой вярва на опорки.

що не сравниш реалните стоки, произвеждани в двете държави? да не се
окаже, че китайската икономика по този критерии е по-голяма повече от
четири пъти?

Ами не е. Дори по РРР е само 25% по-голяма от американската. Факт. А по
текущи цени е 25% по-малка от американската (след наскорощното
обезценяване на юана).

умнико, написах „реални стоки“. фактът е, че вие не произвеждате вече
почти нищо друго, освен самолети и оръжие. даже и чиповете за компютрите
се произвеждат навън.

ама не да повтаряш опорки, а да направиш анализ. може и по сектори --
тежка и лека индустрия, селско стопанство etc.

Ти си специалиста по опорките. Аз предпочитам да боравя с факти.

виждам как боравиш с фактите, вижда се и кой е жертва на пропагандата.

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 15:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Прочее с $250К в Калифорния ще гледаш голяма къща с басейн през крив макарон..

Много грешни представи имаш. От две години насам не съм се интересувала, но
дъщеря ми има къща с басейн. Не е огромна, но е на два етажа с доста голям двор.

Такива къщи на добро место са по над $2 милиона.
Прочее зависи какво разбираш под басейн..

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 04:53:03 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 19:08:36 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Икономическите им проблеми тепърва започват.

В Китай както и в България "инвестират" в имоти, ама там са много
по-зле: има построени цели градове в които никой не живее, но всичко е
продадено щото недвижимия имот си държал цената !? Това ще се пукне
всеки момент там и олеле-мале, чак нас ще ни заболи...

тук по-скоро инвестират в офиси, като гледам новите офис сгради в софия не
мога да си представя да се напълнят с наематели при сегашната ситуация
тук.

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 05:01:59 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 15:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Прочее с $250К в Калифорния ще гледаш голяма къща с басейн през крив
макарон..

Много грешни представи имаш. От две години насам не съм се
интересувала, но дъщеря ми има къща с басейн. Не е огромна, но е на два
етажа с доста голям двор.

Такива къщи на добро место са по над $2 милиона.
Прочее зависи какво разбираш под басейн..

нищо под олимпийски размери :)

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 16:43:07 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:02:00 PM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 15:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Прочее с $250К в Калифорния ще гледаш голяма къща с басейн през крив макарон..

Много грешни представи имаш. От две години насам не съм се интересувала, но
дъщеря ми има къща с басейн. Не е огромна, но е на два етажа с доста голям двор.

Такива къщи на добро место са по над $2 милиона.
Прочее зависи какво разбираш под басейн..

Те са в един от най-добрите райони. Е, не е Бевърли Хийлс или Ранчо Санта Фе...Определено не е 50 метра басейна, но е достатъчен за плуване. Дъщ�

�ря ми тогава се беше запекла че иска къща с басейн. Не само басейн, и джакузи има, което е заедно с басейна, не знам как да го обясня, свързани
са. Наскоро са си направили и тропичесга градина до него. Сега толкова й е пораснала работата, че е забравила, че има майка.... здраве да е.

Toва е къща за $1.5 милиона даже и в беден квартал на Сан Диего.
Само началната вноска ще е $300К. С $250К на година не става.

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 00:25:49 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Купиха я за около $650,000 при доход от около $100,000 двамата заедно.

Па тия са се заробили в ипотека тогава.. половината от парите им там отиват.
На мен за наем не са ми отивали никога повече от 22% от парите след данъци,
последните години някуде около 17% само..

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)