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  • The Military Situation In The Ukraine =?UTF-8?B?4oCm?=

    From Nick@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 12 11:50:07 2022
    за двамата клоуни в групата и най-вече за онзи, по-обсебения:

    The Military Situation In The Ukraine
    Аpril 1, 2022 Jacques Baud https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

    Part One: The Road To War

    For years, from Mali to Afghanistan, I have worked for peace and risked my
    life for it. It is therefore not a question of justifying war, but of understanding what led us to it. I notice that the “experts” who take
    turns on television analyze the situation on the basis of dubious
    information, most often hypotheses erected as facts—and then we no longer manage to understand what is happening. This is how panics are created.

    The problem is not so much to know who is right in this conflict, but to question the way our leaders make their decisions.

    Let’s try to examine the roots of the conflict. It starts with those who
    for the last eight years have been talking about “separatists” or “independentists” from Donbass. This is not true. The referendums
    conducted by the two self-proclaimed Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk in
    May 2014, were not referendums of “independence” (независимость), as some
    unscrupulous journalists have claimed, but referendums of “self- determination” or “autonomy” (самостоятельность). The qualifier “pro-
    Russian” suggests that Russia was a party to the conflict, which was not
    the case, and the term “Russian speakers” would have been more honest. Moreover, these referendums were conducted against the advice of Vladimir Putin.

    In fact, these Republics were not seeking to separate from Ukraine, but to
    have a status of autonomy, guaranteeing them the use of the Russian
    language as an official language. For the first legislative act of the new government resulting from the overthrow of President Yanukovych, was the abolition, on February 23, 2014, of the Kivalov-Kolesnichenko law of 2012
    that made Russian an official language. A bit like if putschists decided
    that French and Italian would no longer be official languages in
    Switzerland.

    This decision caused a storm in the Russian-speaking population. The
    result was a fierce repression against the Russian-speaking regions
    (Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Lugansk and Donetsk) which was carried
    out beginning in February 2014 and led to a militarization of the
    situation and some massacres (in Odessa and Marioupol, for the most
    notable). At the end of summer 2014, only the self-proclaimed Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk remained.

    …

    не е като да не съм казвал същите неща, но човекът е много по-подреден и
    конкретен.

    надявам се да няма и искания за достоверни и независими fact checkers.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 12 07:38:37 2022
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Apr 12 14:17:05 2022
    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 06:54:14 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 7:50:08 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    за двамата клоуни в групата и най-вече за онзи, по-обсебения:

    The Military Situation In The Ukraine Аpril 1, 2022 Jacques Baud

    "Jacques Baud, born on April 1, 1955, is a former colonel in the Swiss
    army, strategic analyst, intelligence and terrorism specialist. He is, however, _the subject of criticism for relaying on conspiracy
    theories*_.

    По принцип ако някой използва конструкциата "The Ukraine" аз направо ги
    слагам в боклука (по отношение на коментарите им засягащи Украйна).

    твое право, но някой май плачкаше за путин вчера? но пък това показва
    колко си лицемерен, което пък си е за твоя сметка.

    *Как пък все се ловите за такива? В миналото на няколко пъти си пускал
    изявите на "InfoWars" (Aлекс Джоунс).

    сигурен ли си в това? или да те пратя там, където ти е мястото?

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Apr 12 16:40:51 2022
    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 07:38:37 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:17:06 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    ...

    *Как пък все се ловите за такива? В миналото на няколко пъти си
    пускал изявите на "InfoWars" (Aлекс Джоунс).

    сигурен ли си в това? или да те пратя там, където ти е мястото?

    Пардон, било Нерадост:

    https://groups.google.com/g/soc.culture.bulgaria/c/34pNqRTH9So/m/
    TS4fimdyWKQJ

    а ти прочете ли статията, ако и в заглавието и да има The Ukraine 8-)

    за разлика от теб, аз не гледам кой е автор на някоя статия, а какво е
    написано в нея.

    и интерпретациите ги оставям на теб.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Apr 12 20:08:42 2022
    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 12:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 3:33:50 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 06:54:14 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    "Jacques Baud, born on April 1, 1955, is a former colonel in the
    Swiss army, strategic analyst, intelligence and terrorism specialist.
    He is, however, _the subject of criticism for relaying on conspiracy
    theories*_.

    И това според кой меродавен източник, та така му се доверяваш?

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Baud

    Les contributeurs sont tenus de ne pas participer à une guerre d’édition sous peine de blocage.

    Cette page a subi récemment une guerre d’édition au cours de laquelle plusieurs contributeurs ont mutuellement annulé leurs modifications respectives. Ce comportement non collaboratif est proscrit par la règle
    dite des trois révocations. En cas de désaccord, un consensus sur la page
    de discussion doit être obtenu avant toute modification concernant le même sujet.

    да не би да си някой от участниците в тази „война“?

    и до уикипедия ли опря за достоверен източник, имайки предвид цитираното
    от мен? нали няма да ме убеждаваш, че не си го видял?

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 12 12:51:00 2022
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Apr 12 20:14:18 2022
    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 12:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 3:33:50 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 06:54:14 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    "Jacques Baud, born on April 1, 1955, is a former colonel in the Swiss army, strategic
    analyst, intelligence and terrorism specialist. He is, however, _the subject of criticism for relaying on conspiracy theories*_.
    И това според кой меродавен източник, та така му се доверяваш?

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Baud

    А как не забеляза големите забележки от wikipedia там?
    Имаш ли нужда да ти ги преведа?

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Apr 12 19:33:49 2022
    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 06:54:14 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    "Jacques Baud, born on April 1, 1955, is a former colonel in the Swiss army, strategic
    analyst, intelligence and terrorism specialist. He is, however, _the subject of criticism for relaying on conspiracy theories*_.

    И това според кой меродавен източник, та така му се доверяваш?
    И дай една такава теория в която е разпространил.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 12 19:07:06 2022
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Apr 13 02:22:20 2022
    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 19:07:06 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    човек написал "The qualifier “pro-Russian” suggests that Russia was a party
    to the conflict, which was not the case"

    Нещо не разбирам тука за какво става дума?

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  • From N Kostoff@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Apr 13 09:32:05 2022
    On 12.4.2022 г. 16:54, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
    ....
    *Как пък все се ловите за такива? ...

    И аз се чудя как се ловите на шоуто "зеленски".


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    НК

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to chorbalan on Wed Apr 13 07:55:25 2022
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 02:22:20 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 19:07:06 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    човек написал "The qualifier “pro-Russian” suggests that Russia was a
    party to the conflict, which was not the case"

    Нещо не разбирам тука за какво става дума?

    ивайло шикалкави и търси за какво да се хване и както винаги цитира
    избирателно и извън контекста -- ето го цялото изречение от оригинала: The
    qualifier “pro-Russian” suggests that Russia was a party to the conflict, which was not the case, and the term “Russian speakers” would have been more honest.

    швейцарецът твърди, че русия не е част от конфликта в украйна и дава
    обяснение по-нататък защо мисли така, което не се харесва на клоуните в
    групата (а и не само на тях, де).

    русия не е страна и по споразуменията от минск, но за предубедените и
    промити мозъци това е без значение. важното е да се сатанизира русия и
    което по-важно -- да се скрие отговорността на сащ и западна европа за
    станалото и ставащото в украйна.

    статията според мен е напълно коректна в хронологията и фактите, които
    излага авторът.

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Apr 13 21:50:58 2022
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:20:33 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Автора твърди, че Русия не стояла зад сепаратистите в Донбас.
    Това кой го вярва (освен най-промитите руски мозъци)?

    A кой вярва че зад майданския бунт не седи Западът?
    Все пак едните отричат едното, другите - другото, а шараните вярват.
    Това са от нещата за които всеки лъже, т.е. отрича, въпреки че са
    ясни на всички.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Apr 14 05:20:33 2022
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:20:33 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:22:21 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 19:07:06 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    човек написал "The qualifier “pro-Russian” suggests that Russia was a
    party to the conflict, which was not the case"

    Нещо не разбирам тука за какво става дума?

    Автора твърди, че Русия не стояла зад сепаратистите в Донбас. Това кой
    го вярва (освен най-промитите руски мозъци)?

    лъжецо, авторът твърди нещо съвсем друго.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Apr 14 05:19:05 2022
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:23:59 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 3:55:26 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 02:22:20 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 19:07:06 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    човек написал "The qualifier “pro-Russian” suggests that Russia was
    a party to the conflict, which was not the case"

    Нещо не разбирам тука за какво става дума?

    ивайло шикалкави и търси за какво да се хване и както винаги цитира
    избирателно и извън контекста -- ето го цялото изречение от оригинала:
    The qualifier “pro-Russian” suggests that Russia was a party to the
    conflict, which was not the case, and the term “Russian speakers” would >> have been more honest.

    швейцарецът твърди, че русия не е част от конфликта в украйна

    Което е откровена и доказана руска лъжа. Човек направил горното
    твърдение напълно компрометира себе си.

    аха, аха.

    и за да вляза в твоя тон -- би ли бил по-конкретен.

    може да си припомниш за какво точно бяха двата референдума в двете
    републики. и какво беше отношението на русия.

    да не излезе, че лъжецът си ти. това, че вече си безкрайно компрометиран е
    съвсем отделен въпрос.

    и дали щеше да се стигне до тези референдуми, ако не бяха идиотщините на
    десния сектор и останалите около тях, подкокоросвани от вас.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Apr 14 15:08:19 2022
    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 07:50:40 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 5:50:59 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:20:33 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Автора твърди, че Русия не стояла зад сепаратистите в Донбас.
    Това кой го вярва (освен най-промитите руски мозъци)?

    A кой вярва че зад майданския бунт не седи Западът?

    Организаторите на майдана и първите му водачи бяха офицери от ЦРУ? Би
    ли бил по-конретен? САЩ е снабдявал евромайдана с танкове, артилерия и
    ПВО батареи? Войници на САЩ са влезли в Украйна в критичната фаза на
    евромайдана за да спрат пълният му разгром?

    нещо такова.

    да си спомняш за едни 5 милиарда, раздадени в украйна? дето наивниците
    твърдят, че били за укрепване на демокрацията?

    какво ще кажеш за american conservative? дали и те са проводник на руска
    пропаганда?

    Whitewashing Ukraine’s Corruption

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/whitewashing-ukraines-corruption/

    за това ли бяха похарчени тези 5 милиарда?

    тед карпентър какъв е?

    изобщо защо не си огледаш бельото, пък после да питаш кой ти го е
    изцапал, а?

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 14 07:52:43 2022
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Apr 14 15:01:54 2022
    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 07:52:43 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 1:19:15 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:23:59 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 3:55:26 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 02:22:20 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 19:07:06 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    човек написал "The qualifier “pro-Russian” suggests that Russia
    was a party to the conflict, which was not the case"

    Нещо не разбирам тука за какво става дума?

    ивайло шикалкави и търси за какво да се хване и както винаги цитира
    избирателно и извън контекста -- ето го цялото изречение от
    оригинала:

    The qualifier “pro-Russian” suggests that Russia was a party to the >> >> conflict, which was not the case, and the term “Russian speakers”
    would have been more honest.

    швейцарецът твърди, че русия не е част от конфликта в украйна

    Което е откровена и доказана руска лъжа. Човек направил горното
    твърдение напълно компрометира себе си. >> аха, аха.

    и за да вляза в твоя тон -- би ли бил по-конкретен.

    може да си припомниш за какво точно бяха двата референдума в двете
    републики. и какво беше отношението на русия.

    да не излезе, че лъжецът си ти. това, че вече си безкрайно
    компрометиран е съвсем отделен въпрос.

    и дали щеше да се стигне до тези референдуми, ако не бяха идиотщините
    на десния сектор и останалите около тях, подкокоросвани от вас.

    Изпей някоя песен за крайцера "Москва" да ни развеселиш още малко.

    като гледам каква злоба и жлъч лееш, надали ти е много весело, та даже и
    случката с крайцера надали ще те развесели.

    какво, толкова ли е трудно да споделиш за какво бяха двата референдума? и
    че всъщност пак лъжеш, както обикновено в тази група?

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Apr 14 17:00:55 2022
    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 07:52:43 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Изпей някоя песен за крайцера "Москва" да ни развеселиш още малко.

    за злобното и жалко човече:

    U.S. can't confirm yet what damaged Russian warship - Pentagon

    BOSTON, April 14 (Reuters) - The United States does not have enough
    information now to confirm what caused an explosion on a Russian warship
    that Ukraine has claimed was caused by one of its missiles, Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby said on Thursday.

    "We don't know what caused that explosion," Kirby said in an interview on MSNBC.

    "We've seen the social media reports that this was maybe a Ukrainian
    coastal defense missile (that) hit it. We can't rule that out, we just
    don't have enough information right now," he said.

    как все се хващаш на украинска пропаганда, не е истина просто.

    да не се окаже, че руснаците казват истината, жертво на пропагдандата?

    оставям на теб да прецениш дали горното е руска пропаганда, както и сам да
    намериш източника на новината.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Vedrin Jeliazkov on Thu Apr 14 17:52:31 2022
    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 10:17:20 -0700 (PDT), Vedrin Jeliazkov wrote:

    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 8:00:57 PM UTC+3, Nick wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 07:52:43 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Изпей някоя песен за крайцера "Москва" да ни развеселиш още малко.
    за злобното и жалко човече:

    U.S. can't confirm yet what damaged Russian warship - Pentagon

    BOSTON, April 14 (Reuters) - The United States does not have enough
    information now to confirm what caused an explosion on a Russian
    warship that Ukraine has claimed was caused by one of its missiles,
    Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby said on Thursday.

    "We don't know what caused that explosion," Kirby said in an interview
    on MSNBC.

    "We've seen the social media reports that this was maybe a Ukrainian
    coastal defense missile (that) hit it. We can't rule that out, we just
    don't have enough information right now," he said.

    как все се хващаш на украинска пропаганда, не е истина просто.

    да не се окаже, че руснаците казват истината, жертво на пропагдандата?

    оставям на теб да прецениш дали горното е руска пропаганда, както и сам
    да намериш източника на новината.

    Комай би било доста комично (за да не използвам друга дума) флагманът да
    се е самовзривил...

    така е, не споря.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Apr 14 20:49:59 2022
    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:46:20 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 1:00:57 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 07:52:43 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Изпей някоя песен за крайцера "Москва" да ни развеселиш още малко.
    за злобното и жалко човече:

    Он утонул.

    Или както се е изразил един от коментиращите във в-к "Дневник": "Корабът
    е на специална подводна операция. Всичко върви по план."

    "Russia’s defence ministry has put out a statement to say its Moskva missile cruiser has sunk in the Black Sea off southern Ukraine."

    Между другото, обърни внимание, че в предишната пращулка не бях казал
    нищо за това дали е потънал или дали е ударен от украински ракети. За
    разлика от теб аз предпочитам да се придържам към фактите.

    и фактите бяха, че не се знаехте даже и вие какво се е случило.

    и за това злорадо ми предложи да пея.

    Жалки са хората пригласящи на зловещи изверги, като лидера на любимата
    ти държава.

    жалки са хората, които злорадстват по време на война и използват език на
    омразата 8-)

    а още по-жалки са лицемерите като теб, които 8 години се правеха на слепи
    за случващото се в украйна.

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Apr 14 20:51:31 2022
    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:46:20 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Жалки са хората пригласящи на зловещи изверги

    Той на Путин.
    А ти на Буш и Чейни :-D

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 14 13:46:20 2022
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 15 01:54:38 2022
    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 15:33:11 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

    Тръмп 191 см

    На токчета :-) Малко е по-нисък от Обама, а Обама е 185.
    Той и Арни Черенонегров се правеше на 188, ама съм бил
    рамо до рамо с него и е не повече от 183-184.

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