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On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 07:12:43 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

който не искаше НАТО по границите си

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-sweden-set-join-nato-soon-summer-times-2022-04-10/

Ми като нищо ще предизвикат война с този си мерак, още преди са влезнат в НАТО.
С какво точно са заплашени, особено Швеция?

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:09:51 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:14:44 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 07:12:43 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

който не искаше НАТО по границите си

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-sweden-set-join-nato-soon-summer-times-2022-04-10/

Ми като нищо ще предизвикат война с този си мерак, още преди са влезнат в НАТО.
С какво точно са заплашени, особено Швеция?

Това какво е??

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10668961/Russian-fighter-jets-violated-Swedish-airspace-earlier-month-equipped-NUKES.html

А не е да е за първи път. Руските порпагандисти (напр. Соловьов) от години
настояват, че Русия трябва да заграби Готланд.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220305-on-sweden-s-gotland-ukraine-war-revives-fears-of-russia

Tи естествено ни чул, ни видял, ни лук мирисал, нали?

Накрая каквото почукало такова се обадило. И ще гледаме рев и късане на рубашки
в Кремъл.

Тъй де:

"The incident came days after Russian President Vladimir Putin had threatened military action against Sweden and neighboring Finland should either join NATO."

Забеляза ли "after горе?

"Military analysts consider Gotland an 'unsinkable aircraft carrier'
whichcould serve as a crucial base to control maritime and air traffic
in and over the Baltic."

В така създадената обстановка и при заявената шведска враждебност
естествено е да бъдат "предупредени", т.е. заплашени.


Тия вместо да ескалират по-нататъка противопоставянето да вземат да
се разберат с Русия, да си дадат гарации за сигурност един на друг,
да престанат да шмекеруват че ще стане някоя голяма война, дето и
нас тука ще засегне.

Ясно е че подмолното разрушаване на Русия няма да стане, а такова
с гръм и трясък ще засегне всички.

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 07:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 3:19:04 AM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:09:51 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:14:44 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 07:12:43 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

който не искаше НАТО по границите си

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-sweden-set-join-nato-soon-summer-times-2022-04-10/

Ми като нищо ще предизвикат война с този си мерак, още преди са влезнат в НАТО.
С какво точно са заплашени, особено Швеция?

Това какво е??

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10668961/Russian-fighter-jets-violated-Swedish-airspace-earlier-month-equipped-NUKES.html

А не е да е за първи път. Руските порпагандисти (напр. Соловьов) от години
настояват, че Русия трябва да заграби Готланд.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220305-on-sweden-s-gotland-ukraine-war-revives-fears-of-russia

Tи естествено ни чул, ни видял, ни лук мирисал, нали?

Накрая каквото почукало такова се обадило. И ще гледаме рев и късане на рубашки
в Кремъл.

Тъй де:

"The incident came days after Russian President Vladimir Putin had threatened
military action against Sweden and neighboring Finland should either join NATO."

Забеляза ли "after горе?

"Military analysts consider Gotland an 'unsinkable aircraft carrier'
whichcould serve as a crucial base to control maritime and air traffic
in and over the Baltic."

Както казах - каквото почукало такова се обадило.

Да.

Швеция и Финладния не правят запалхи срещу Русия.

Правят.

Русия прави заплахи срещу тях

В отговор.

(и започва брутална война с друг съсед)

Предизвикана.

и стигаме до логичната развръзка - Швеция и Финладния
търсят протекцията на НАТО.

Необосновано и опасно решение.

Истината е, че Путин е кретен и ще загроби Русия. За
голямо съжаление първо ще загроби много хора извън Русия.

Не Путин, а НАТО или по-скоро някой от членовете му.



Виждаш ли как едни и същи факти се възприемат от различни хора?
При това някой от вас очевадно сте много предубедени и се ръководите
изключително от лични антипатии. Ти например си изпускаш нервите
както никога до сега, все едно си изгубил големи инвестиции в
Русия или Украйна..


Прочее какво трябваше да направи според тебе Путин при нахалното
и опасно според него настъпление на НАТО и незпазване на договорките
от страна на Запада?

В така създадената обстановка и при заявената шведска враждебност
естествено е да бъдат "предупредени", т.е. заплашени.


Тия вместо да ескалират по-нататъка противопоставянето да вземат да
се разберат с Русия, да си дадат гарации за сигурност един на друг,
да престанат да шмекеруват че ще стане някоя голяма война, дето и
нас тука ще засегне.

Ясно е че подмолното разрушаване на Русия няма да стане, а такова
с гръм и трясък ще засегне всички.

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:37:22 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Прочее какво трябваше да направи според тебе Путин при нахалното и
опасно според него настъпление на НАТО и незпазване на договорките от
страна на Запада?

Какви "договори" не е спазвал Запада (които касаят Русия)??

договорки, умнико, не договори.

спри да шикалкавиш и да се правиш на неразбрал.

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:37:22 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

За какви "факти" говорим, когато говориш за шведски и финландски
заплахи срещу Русия?

NATO-вски, какви други?

Виждаме типичния почерк на Русия - безочливо нагло лицемерие (патентовано от
онзи който Путин е поставил днес под домашен арест).

Само?
А Косово? А настъплението на НАТО?

При това някой от вас очевадно сте много предубедени и се ръководите
изключително от лични антипатии. Ти например си изпускаш нервите
както никога до сега, все едно си изгубил големи инвестиции в
Русия или Украйна..

Като коментираш моите пристрастия - така и не ни обасни защо заслепено излъгха,
че Путин няма да започне тази война, когато беше пределно ясно и за слепия, че подобен
вариант е напълно възможен?

Грешки стават.

Кой е предубедения? Кой се ръководи от лични симпатии антипатии?

Tи.

Защо всъщност лижеш путинските подметки?

Значи реализмът според тебе е лизане на путинови подметки?
За мене Русия беше притисната или да бъде поставена в неравностойно
положение по техниката "чрез нахалство към прогрес" и или трябваше да
го приеме, или да се противопостави. Някой нещо сгреши с подхода си,
ще видим накрая кой.

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:07:23 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:59:40 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:37:22 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Прочее какво трябваше да направи според тебе Путин при нахалното и
опасно според него настъпление на НАТО и незпазване на договорките
от страна на Запада?

Какви "договори" не е спазвал Запада (които касаят Русия)??

договорки, умнико, не договори.

Какво е договорка: "Татко ще ми купи колело, ама друг път." Деца ли сме?

не сме, за това е време да намериш какво е казал бисмарк на времето.

а иначе просто отбелязах поредното ти шикалкавене.

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Айде онзи е роболепен пред всичко руско, но ти не си. Онази пък обича
всеки който е против САЩ, но ти не си такъв.

умнико, ако визираш мен, ще можеш ли да посочиш мои цитати в полза на
твърдението си? ще можеш ли да преброиш колко теми за русия си отворил ти
и после да направиш същото и за мен?

защото най-големият почитател на русия в тази група си ти. да не се окажеш
някой крипторусофил?

освен да имаш поредния пристъп на обсесията си, друго обяснение нямам.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 5:23:27 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:37:22 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

За какви "факти" говорим, когато говориш за шведски и финландски
заплахи срещу Русия?

NATO-вски, какви други?

Какви "NATO-вски"? Швеция и Финландия да не са членове на НАТО.

Почнаха да искат НАТО при положение че не са заплашвани. И това е
за да се солидаризират с "началниците" в ЕС и САЩ, не за друго.

Грешки стават.

Все пак не обясни своята увереност при толкова факти сочещи в обратната посока.

Какви факти? Струпване на войски ли? Това само по себе си не значи
нападение.

Защо всъщност отричаш, че си му ревностен фен, когато това е единственото
обяснение за твоите писания по темата?

Значи за тебе
Кой не скача е чевен
и на Путин фен!
?
Ми браво!

Айде онзи е роболепен пред всичко руско, но ти не си. Онази пък обича всеки който
е против САЩ, но ти не си такъв.

...

Защо всъщност лижеш путинските подметки?

Значи реализмът според тебе е лизане на путинови подметки?

Инсинктивното оправдаването на всяка постъпка на Путин не е "реализъм".
Кога си го критикувал за нещо? Кога не си бил съгласен с неговите действия?

Какво да му критикувам, че отровил някой си агенти или вкарал в
затвора друг? Ми тия не ме интересуват там. Мен ми е по интересно как се "самоуби" Jeffrey Epstein тука и какво
му има в тефтерчето ама за това нито дума тука при демокрацията.

За мене Русия беше притисната или да бъде поставена в неравностойно
положение по техниката "чрез нахалство към прогрес" и или трябваше да
го приеме, или да се противопостави. Някой нещо сгреши с подхода си,
ще видим накрая кой.

Неравностойно? Кое е неравностойно?

Тъй ли? Кенеди защо се разсърди на ракетите в Куба?

Има ли право Украйна (или коя да е страна различна от Русия) да избира съдбата си?

Ами избра си я, сега се радва на изборът си... Това с помощта на някой свои нови "приятели".

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 05:13:26 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 2:40:30 PM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 5:23:27 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:37:22 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

За какви "факти" говорим, когато говориш за шведски и финландски
заплахи срещу Русия?

NATO-вски, какви други?

Какви "NATO-вски"? Швеция и Финландия да не са членове на НАТО.

Почнаха да искат НАТО при положение че не са заплашвани. И това е
за да се солидаризират с "началниците" в ЕС и САЩ, не за друго.

Бъркаш причинно-следствената връзка. Преди руските заплахи и преди инвазията
в Украйна изобщо не са се натискали за НАТО.

Какви руски заплахи? Не си спомням да е имало проблем с тези две
страни преди това.

Гениалния шаматист ще ги вкара там практически насила.

Като нищо ще стане някоя война и там.

Грешки стават.

Все пак не обясни своята увереност при толкова факти сочещи в обратната посока.

Какви факти? Струпване на войски ли? Това само по себе си не значи
нападение.

Не, не беше просто струпване на войски.

Така се оказа.
Но очевидно украинците мислеха като мене, или може би бяха глупави
да поемат разрушенията и жервите.

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 09:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Като нищо Русия да отнесе пердах на още един фронт.

Toлкова ти е акъла....
Тоя пердах, ако го има, ще има тежка цена и за тях, едва ли ще
се отнесат така лекомислено към подобен сценарий.

Не "украинциТЕ", а Зеленски. Да, беше глупав да не обяви всеобща мобилизация

Беше глупав, та не заяваи че не иска НАТО и по този начин щеше
да отстрани една от причините за войната. След това трябваше да
си спомни и спази минските споразумения. И може би нямаше да се
стигне до тука.

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 19:08:35 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

това, което не е война,

Като не е война какво е???

Стига бе, от бушево време няма войни.

...

Единствените, които поддържат САЩ, са Западна Европа.

Плюс Япония, Южна Корея, Австралия, Канада - изобщо нищо работа.

А Индия, Китай, Монголия, Виетнам и т.н.? Интересът клати феса. Моят интерес е войната да свърши и хич не ми
пука по какъв начин, стига да няма продължение. Дали Украйна няма
да я има след това или Руската федерация ми е все тая.

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 04:55:29 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

между другото, витаят едни съмнения, че русия и сащ действат
съгласувано за сметка на европейския съюз.

Къде витаят, в курника ли? :-D

дали са основателни, ще покаже единствено времето.

Това е от компетенцията на лекар, а не на метеоролог :-)))))

Беше ми забавно, не отричам!

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 19:04:01 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 6:02:45 PM UTC-4, Радостина wrote:

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:06:59 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 09:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Като нищо Русия да отнесе пердах на още един фронт.

Toлкова ти е акъла....

Тоя пердах, ако го има, ще има тежка цена и за тях, едва ли ще се
отнесат така лекомислено към подобен сценарий.

Не "украинциТЕ", а Зеленски. Да, беше глупав да не обяви всеобща
мобилизация

Беше глупав, та не заяваи че не иска НАТО и по този начин щеше да
отстрани една от причините за войната. След това трябваше да си
спомни и спази минските споразумения. И може би нямаше да се стигне
до тука.

От война нужда имаше САЩ.

Тогава защо Путин я започна? Излиза, че според теб той е американски
агент.

това не е лъжица за твоя акъл, няма да го разбереш даже да ти го обяснят
като на олигофрен.

между другото, витаят едни съмнения, че русия и сащ действат съгласувано
за сметка на европейския съюз. дали са основателни, ще покаже единствено
времето.

--
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 05:02:34 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 04:55:29 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

между другото, витаят едни съмнения, че русия и сащ действат
съгласувано за сметка на европейския съюз.

Къде витаят, в курника ли? :-D

има ли значение :)

дали са основателни, ще покаже единствено времето.

Това е от компетенцията на лекар, а не на метеоролог :-)))))

е, и курникът може да изпълнява ролята на психодиспансер. между другото и
за това витаят едни съмнения 8-)

Беше ми забавно, не отричам!

:)

ти ще идваш ли насам? че имам да ти връщам поне едно питие :)

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:52:07 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Руснаците в началото направиха грешки, явно и сред тях има некадърници,

МНОГО накадърници

Точно американците командват в Украйна, не им разрешават да се предадат,

Глупости, Пернатке - Америка ги насъсква, а украинците са между чук и наковаля
сега, когато изглежда не им остава много избор освен да се надяват на чудо, да
се примирят или да се бият до смърт.

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 01:50:50 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:52:07 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Руснаците в началото направиха грешки, явно и сред тях има некадърници,

МНОГО накадърници

Точно американците командват в Украйна, не им разрешават да се
предадат,

Глупости, Пернатке - Америка ги насъсква, а украинците са между чук и
наковаля сега, когато изглежда не им остава много избор освен да се
надяват на чудо, да се примирят или да се бият до смърт.

абе не е много ясно -- един френски журналист беше споделил впечатления по
този повод. има го из паяжината при желание.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:52:07 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Щото един хахо казал? А доказателства? Щом украинците така яко мачкат
руснаците трябва да са ръководени от американци, това е
доказателството,
нали? )

Я пак )) кой кого мачка?

Руснаците в началото направиха грешки, явно и сред тях има некадърници,
но сега ги трепят яко, а и украинците се предават с хиляди.
Ако слушаш американците обаче, Русия вече е загубила войната.
Точно американците командват в Украйна, не им разрешават да се предадат,
просто ще ги пренесат в жертва, защото руснаците вече рушат всичко.
Украйна ще стане пустиня... жалко.

специално за забраната за предаване -- по-скоро идва от украинците, а не
от американците.

искат да ги изкарат герои -- спомни си за гарнизона на змийския остров :)

да видим какво ще излезе от мариупол накрая.

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:13:47 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Точно американците командват в Украйна, не им разрешават да се
предадат, просто ще ги пренесат в жертва, защото руснаците вече рушат
всичко.

Нерадост, нямаш си и хабер от военно дело. Ако украинците бяха
командвани от САЩ те досега да са загубили категорично войната.
Американците нито са запознати с украинската бойна техника по-добре от
украинците, нито познават логистиката им, нито знаят кои бойни техники
владеят.

е, това доказва, че и ти си на нивото на радост по отношение на военното
дело.

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:18:02 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:50:51 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

...

украинците са между чук и наковаля
сега, когато изглежда не им остава много избор освен да се надяват на
чудо, да се примирят или да се бият до смърт.

Малко е рано за подобни прогнози. Преди месец и половина почти всички,
включително и аз, очакваха Киев да падне до дни. Получи се нещо съвсем
различно.

много се чудя на такива очаквания? на какво основание сте очаквали киев да
бъде приоритетна цел за бързо превземане?

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:57:22 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 9:18:05 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:18:02 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:50:51 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

...

украинците са между чук и наковаля сега, когато изглежда не им
остава много избор освен да се надяват на чудо, да се примирят или
да се бият до смърт.

Малко е рано за подобни прогнози. Преди месец и половина почти
всички, включително и аз, очакваха Киев да падне до дни. Получи се
нещо съвсем различно.

много се чудя на такива очаквания? на какво основание сте очаквали киев
да бъде приоритетна цел за бързо превземане?

Щото руснаците не си бяха взели бензин и храна за повече от 3 дни на
киевския фронт. Затова и закъсаха така яко там. И са си носили парадни
униформи :). Ако се бяха подготвили за битка от повече от 3 дни, може би
щяха да я спечелят.

това от някакъв достоверен източник ли го знаеш или да не питам повече?

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:30:26 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 12:18:05 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:18:02 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:50:51 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

...

украинците са между чук и наковаля сега, когато изглежда не им
остава много избор освен да се надяват на чудо, да се примирят или
да се бият до смърт.

Малко е рано за подобни прогнози. Преди месец и половина почти
всички, включително и аз, очакваха Киев да падне до дни. Получи се
нещо съвсем различно.

много се чудя на такива очаквания? на какво основание сте очаквали киев
да бъде приоритетна цел за бързо превземане?

1) Путин каза в първия ден на войната, че "денацификацията" (т.е.
деукраинизацията) на Украйна е основна негова цел. Това няма как да
стане без сваляне на украинското правителство и инсталиране на руски
марионетки в Киев.

това е политическа цел, а не военна.

2) На втория ден на войната Путин призова украинските военни да извършат
военен преврат, потвърждавайки, че сваляне на украинското правителство е
негова основна цел.

същото.

3) На киевския фронт бяха хвърлени около 50,000 руски войници,
включително немалко елитни руски подразделения. На същия фронт Русия
претърпя тежки (документирани) загуби без да успее дори да обкръжи Киев.

документирани :)

от bellingcat може би?

В края на март беше ясно, че с натъпването на пролетта руските части в
северна Украйна ще бъдат изклани от партизански отряди подкрепени от
редовната армия. Русия направи единственото разумно и логично решение и
се оттегли преди да са даде повече ненужни жертви. Силите бяха
прехвърлени на изток, където шансовете за успех са много по-реалистични.

партизански отряди и редовна армия? има ли нещо между ушите?

4) Войната запачна с десант на летището в Гостомел от елитни руски части
(в стил инвзия на Кабул през 1979). През 1979 щурма завърши с
превземане на президентския дворец и избиване на афганистанското
правителство и назначаване на съветски марионетки.

леле, верно ли го вярваш това?

Та навярно на такива основания сме очаквали Киев да е приоритет.

ами значи нищо не разбирате. факт.

аз не бих се наел да давам оценка на военните действия при положение, че
нямам (а и вие нямате) никаква идея какви са били плановете на руския
генерален щаб за тази операция и от там да съдя как вървят военните
действия.

както виждаш, досега не съм коментирал нищо тук за разлика от теб. може би
защото все пак имам някаква представа от военно дело.

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:17:40 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:57:22 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 9:18:05 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:18:02 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:50:51 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

...

украинците са между чук и наковаля сега, когато изглежда не им
остава много избор освен да се надяват на чудо, да се примирят
или да се бият до смърт.

Малко е рано за подобни прогнози. Преди месец и половина почти
всички, включително и аз, очакваха Киев да падне до дни. Получи се
нещо съвсем различно.

много се чудя на такива очаквания? на какво основание сте очаквали
киев да бъде приоритетна цел за бързо превземане?

Щото руснаците не си бяха взели бензин и храна за повече от 3 дни на
киевския фронт. Затова и закъсаха така яко там. И са си носили
парадни униформи :). Ако се бяха подготвили за битка от повече от 3
дни, може би щяха да я спечелят.

това от някакъв достоверен източник ли го знаеш или да не питам повече?

*channeling my inner Nick*: Няма да ти го търся аз, отиваш на интернет и
си го намираш!

ами явно няма да питам повече. нямам намерение да си губя времето с
ламъри.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:57:22 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

Щото руснаците не си бяха взели бензин и храна за повече
от 3 дни на киевския фронт. Затова и закъсаха така яко там.
И са си носили парадни униформи . Ако се бяха подготвили за
битка от повече от 3 дни, може би щяха да я спечелят.

Кратко и ясно!

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:35:54 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:38:26 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

*channeling my inner Nick*...

...нямам намерение да си губя времето с ламъри.

Self-owned!!!

де да беше.

Ха-ха-ха-ха

така де, нали знаеш кой се смее най-добре?

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 23:39:55 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:26:54 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 23:09:16 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 9:38:41 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:35:54 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:38:26 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

*channeling my inner Nick*...

...нямам намерение да си губя времето с ламъри.

Self-owned!!!

де да беше.

Ха-ха-ха-ха

така де, нали знаеш кой се смее най-добре?

Да, разбира се -- публиката.

аха, дано да се усещаш, че си на сцената.

Естествено, че съм на сцената, щом пиша в публичен форум. What's your
point?

ами как беше там -- канализирай ме в себе си и ще разбереш.

Чудя се, как това твое безполезно свойство, да посочваш очевидното, ти
помага?

не на мен, на теб трябва да помогне. защото явно някой трябва да ти
посочва даже очевидното.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 23:09:16 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 9:38:41 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:35:54 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:38:26 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

*channeling my inner Nick*...

...нямам намерение да си губя времето с ламъри.

Self-owned!!!

де да беше.

Ха-ха-ха-ха

така де, нали знаеш кой се смее най-добре?

Да, разбира се -- публиката.

аха, дано да се усещаш, че си на сцената.

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 00:06:07 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:53:47 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 23:39:55 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:26:54 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 23:09:16 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 9:38:41 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:35:54 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:38:26 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

*channeling my inner Nick*...

...нямам намерение да си губя времето с ламъри.

Self-owned!!!

де да беше.

Ха-ха-ха-ха

така де, нали знаеш кой се смее най-добре?

Да, разбира се -- публиката.

аха, дано да се усещаш, че си на сцената.

Естествено, че съм на сцената, щом пиша в публичен форум. What's your
point?

ами как беше там -- канализирай ме в себе си и ще разбереш.

Чудя се, как това твое безполезно свойство, да посочваш очевидното,
ти помага?

не на мен, на теб трябва да помогне. защото явно някой трябва да ти
посочва даже очевидното.

Тоз ти отговор е толкова импотентен, че и блистер с "Виагра" не мож го
оправи.

ха-ха, като гледам май ти имаш нужда от виагра, не аз.

та каквото повикало, такова се обадило.

Лека нощ.

ами спокойни сънища тогава …

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