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On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:53:32 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

А какво ще прави с тези юани

Тоалетна хартия? Или ще им е много твърда за гъза? :-D

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On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:53:32 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Въпрос с повишена трудност: А какво ще прави с тези юани про положение,
че юана не е конвертируем и отгоре на всичко НР Китай има брутален
капитален контрол? Много ми е интересен отговора на този въпрос (ако
някой го знае).

ще си плаща на китай за инфраструктурни проекти примерно.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Прочие, _дори НР Китай_ отпуска почти всичките си международни кредити
(т.е. банкови дългове) _в ДОЛАРИ_, реално затвърждаващи доминацията на
долара. Това е истината, и докато е, приказките за "юана ще е новата
резервна валута" са евтина пропаганда (за хора на акъла на наша
Радостина).

не ти ли минава, че отказът от тотално използване на долара за разплащания
е първата стъпка към премахването на неговата доминация?

и че китай отпуска международни кредити в долари не защото иска, а защото
така му е наложено?

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On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 4:41:34 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:53:32 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Въпрос с повишена трудност: А какво ще прави с тези юани про
положение, че юана не е конвертируем и отгоре на всичко НР Китай има
брутален капитален контрол? Много ми е интересен отговора на този
въпрос (ако някой го знае).

ще си плаща на китай за инфраструктурни проекти примерно.

Един вид "преводни рубли". Проблемa с "преводните рубли" е че няма как
да строиш модерна икономика на техните темели. Няма как да са повече от
малка част от външната търговия на която и да е държава. Прочие, _дори
НР Китай_ отпуска почти всичките си международени кредити (т.е. банкови
дългове) _в ДОЛАРИ_, реално затвърждаващи доминацията на долара. Това е
истината, и докато е, приказките за "юана ще е новата резервна валута"
са евтина пропаганда (за хора на акъла на наша Радостина).

саудитска арабия и модерна икономика?

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:03:15 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

(отчасти защото много добре разбират, че именно тази стъпка
обрече американската икономика на бавна смърт преди 50 години).

Как и защо?

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:03:15 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 1:48:28 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Прочие, _дори НР Китай_ отпуска почти всичките си международни
кредити (т.е. банкови дългове) _в ДОЛАРИ_, реално затвърждаващи
доминацията на долара. Това е истината, и докато е, приказките за
"юана ще е новата резервна валута" са евтина пропаганда (за хора на
акъла на наша Радостина).

не ти ли минава, че отказът от тотално използване на долара за
разплащания е първата стъпка към премахването на неговата доминация?

Не е ли логично първата стъпка на рушителите да е издаване на кредити
във валути различни от валутата, която са набелязали за рушене? Всъщност
първата стъпка трябва да е създаване на алтернативна _конвертируема_
валута. Ама другарите в Пекин хем ги сърби и хем ги боли. Не искат
долара да е доминиращата валута но нямат смелостта да направят
необходимите стъпки да превърнат юана в глобална резерна валута (отчасти
защото много добре разбират, че именно тази стъпка обрече американската
икономика на бавна смърт преди 50 години).

това е твоята интерпретация, явно китайските ти другари мислят по различен
начин.

и че китай отпуска международни кредити в долари не защото иска, а
защото така му е наложено?

Защото така иска, естествено. Някой да ги спира да отпускат кредити в
юани??

а знаеш ли дали не отпускат?

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:03:37 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 1:44:04 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 4:41:34 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:53:32 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Въпрос с повишена трудност: А какво ще прави с тези юани про
положение, че юана не е конвертируем и отгоре на всичко НР Китай
има брутален капитален контрол? Много ми е интересен отговора на
този въпрос (ако някой го знае).

ще си плаща на китай за инфраструктурни проекти примерно.

Един вид "преводни рубли". Проблемa с "преводните рубли" е че няма
как да строиш модерна икономика на техните темели. Няма как да са
повече от малка част от външната търговия на която и да е държава.
Прочие, _дори НР Китай_ отпуска почти всичките си международени
кредити (т.е. банкови дългове) _в ДОЛАРИ_, реално затвърждаващи
доминацията на долара. Това е истината, и докато е, приказките за
"юана ще е новата резервна валута" са евтина пропаганда (за хора на
акъла на наша Радостина).

саудитска арабия и модерна икономика?

Не е ли?

ами не е.

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 14:57:05 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Ще се върна за година-две най-много, да се ориентирам какво къде и ще
поема я за Португалия,

Климат като тука, най добрият в Европа. Манталитетът им е подобен на балканския в много отношения.

я за Коста Рика...

Много лош избор - скъпотия без покритие, нещо като в Бг в момента.

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 14:06:36 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:42:55 PM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:03:15 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

(отчасти защото много добре разбират, че именно тази стъпка
обрече американската икономика на бавна смърт преди 50 години).

Как и защо?

Защо според теб са американските търговски дефицити? С какви долари според теб
погасяват китайските (и не само) заеми дадени в Африка или Азия или Латинска Америка?
Защо американската индустрия загива?

Кажи ми как това е следствие от позицията на $ като глобална резервна валута?

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Разбира се, че им пречи. Иначе ще завалят бомби и над техните глави.

Стига дрънка глупости! Над Китай най-много да завали кислинен дъжд от
използването на въглища...

САЩ действа само от позиция на силата.

Всички страни действат така когато могат. И хората - също.

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:00:21 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Защото всяка страна с глобална (фиатна) резерна валута по
дефиниция трябва да изнася пари.

E, и? Това как пречи?

Един "side effect" е производството й да става с времето все
повече неранетабилно

Toва защо?

(има няколко други варианти или комбинаци от тях - напр. високо
ниво на дългове или високо ниво на спестявания*).

За дълговете ще се сетя, ама защо високо ниво на спестявания?

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 14:16:09 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 1:26:31 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:03:15 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 1:48:28 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Прочие, _дори НР Китай_ отпуска почти всичките си международни
кредити (т.е. банкови дългове) _в ДОЛАРИ_, реално затвърждаващи
доминацията на долара. Това е истината, и докато е, приказките за
"юана ще е новата резервна валута" са евтина пропаганда (за хора
на акъла на наша Радостина).

не ти ли минава, че отказът от тотално използване на долара за
разплащания е първата стъпка към премахването на неговата доминация?

Не е ли логично първата стъпка на рушителите да е издаване на кредити
във валути различни от валутата, която са набелязали за рушене?
Всъщност първата стъпка трябва да е създаване на алтернативна
_конвертируема_ валута. Ама другарите в Пекин хем ги сърби и хем ги
боли. Не искат долара да е доминиращата валута но нямат смелостта да
направят необходимите стъпки да превърнат юана в глобална резерна
валута (отчасти защото много добре разбират, че именно тази стъпка
обрече американската икономика на бавна смърт преди 50 години).

това е твоята интерпретация, явно китайските ти другари мислят по
различен начин.

Напротив, тяхното поведение показава, че мислят точно като мен. Ако не
беше така щяха да направят юана конвертируем и щяха да го оставят сам да
стане световна резервна валута. Абсолютно нищо не им пречи да го
направят. Предвид обема на китайските вътрешни дългове, размера на
китайската търговия и размера на китайската икономика юана до днес
можеше да стане поне толкова голяма световна резервна валута колкото
долара. Но те отказват да го направят. Защо?

един възможен отговор е, че не искат. тази роля на юана в момента да ги
задоволява напълно.

и че китай отпуска международни кредити в долари не защото иска, а
защото така му е наложено?

Защото така иска, естествено. Някой да ги спира да отпускат кредити в
юани??

а знаеш ли дали не отпускат?

Не съм чувал да го правят. A и как някой ще може да го изплати когато
юана не е свободно конвертируем??

от китайската централна банка. не мислиш ли, че е въпрос на договаряне при
отпускането на заема?

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 09:57:41 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:00:21 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Защото всяка страна с глобална (фиатна) резерна валута по
дефиниция трябва да изнася пари.

E, и? Това как пречи?

Един "side effect" е производството й да става с времето все
повече неранетабилно

Toва защо?

Понеже страна с фиантна световна резервна валута трябва да има "current account"
дифицит. Това можe да стане само по два начина - или страната да има голям и
нарастващ търговски дефицит или да има голям и нарастващ дефицит на инвестиции
(т.е. теч на капитали). За теч на капитали в днешна Америка и дума не може да става
с мизерния процент спестявания, които не стигат и за вътрешната икономика. Остава
голям и нарастващ търговски дефицит, а той води до все по-голямо свиване на
местното производство. Ако световната резервна валута беше обезпечена със злато,
както е било до 1971, това нямаше да се случи. Още Адам Смит, преди два и половина
века, е обяснил защо.

Накратко, няма нужда да има дефицит както ти твърдиш, но дефицита се появява
в следствие на прекомерното печатане на необезпечени пари и телешкото доверие
на тези които трупат пободни пари в тази типична пирамидална схема.

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 14:22:40 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:16:13 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

...

Накратко, няма нужда да има дефицит както ти твърдиш, но дефицита се появява
в следствие на прекомерното печатане на необезпечени пари

Не.

Като е не, как е?

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 1:59:03 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 14:16:09 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 1:26:31 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:03:15 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 1:48:28 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Прочие, _дори НР Китай_ отпуска почти всичките си международни
кредити (т.е. банкови дългове) _в ДОЛАРИ_, реално затвърждаващи
доминацията на долара. Това е истината, и докато е, приказките
за "юана ще е новата резервна валута" са евтина пропаганда (за
хора на акъла на наша Радостина).

не ти ли минава, че отказът от тотално използване на долара за
разплащания е първата стъпка към премахването на неговата
доминация?

Не е ли логично първата стъпка на рушителите да е издаване на
кредити във валути различни от валутата, която са набелязали за
рушене? Всъщност първата стъпка трябва да е създаване на
алтернативна _конвертируема_ валута. Ама другарите в Пекин хем ги
сърби и хем ги боли. Не искат долара да е доминиращата валута но
нямат смелостта да направят необходимите стъпки да превърнат юана
в глобална резерна валута (отчасти защото много добре разбират, че
именно тази стъпка обрече американската икономика на бавна смърт
преди 50 години).

това е твоята интерпретация, явно китайските ти другари мислят по
различен начин.

Напротив, тяхното поведение показава, че мислят точно като мен. Ако
не беше така щяха да направят юана конвертируем и щяха да го оставят
сам да стане световна резервна валута. Абсолютно нищо не им пречи да
го направят. Предвид обема на китайските вътрешни дългове, размера на
китайската търговия и размера на китайската икономика юана до днес
можеше да стане поне толкова голяма световна резервна валута колкото
долара. Но те отказват да го направят. Защо?

един възможен отговор е, че не искат. тази роля на юана в момента да ги
задоволява напълно.

и че китай отпуска международни кредити в долари не защото иска,
а защото така му е наложено?

Защото така иска, естествено. Някой да ги спира да отпускат
кредити в юани??

а знаеш ли дали не отпускат?

Не съм чувал да го правят. A и как някой ще може да го изплати когато
юана не е свободно конвертируем??

от китайската централна банка. не мислиш ли, че е въпрос на договаряне
при отпускането на заема?

T.e. непазарна търговия. А ти ни разправяше, че СА били с "немодерна"
икономика.

защо си мислиш, че пазарната икономика е модерна?

а и откъде се появяват доларите? това, че може да ги купиш свободно, не
означава, че те растат по дърветата.

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:23:52 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

T.e. непазарна търговия. А ти ни разправяше, че СА били с "немодерна"
икономика.

защо си мислиш, че пазарната икономика е модерна?

А коя е - бартерната?

не ме питай мен, ти се правиш на голям ентелектуал в икономиката, разбери
сам.

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:29:44 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:14:33 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

...

а и откъде се появяват доларите?

За ирония, едно от местата откъдето се появяват дорларите е отпуснатите
_от Китай заеми в ДОЛАРИ_. Няма нужда да обяснавям как, нали?

имаш нужда да си обясниш откъде се появяват доларите?

нали си чел „всичко живо е трева“? там е описан единия от начините.
другият го оставям ти да го разбереш.

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:31:41 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:53:15 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:29:44 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:14:33 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

...

а и откъде се появяват доларите?

За ирония, едно от местата откъдето се появяват дорларите е
отпуснатите _от Китай заеми в ДОЛАРИ_. Няма нужда да обяснавям как,
нали?

имаш нужда да си обясниш откъде се появяват доларите?

нали си чел „всичко живо е трева“?

Не.

е, значи е дошло времето да го направиш.

по-добре късно, отколкото по-късно.

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 19:49:09 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:31:41 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:53:15 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:29:44 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:14:33 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

...

а и откъде се появяват доларите?

За ирония, едно от местата откъдето се появяват дорларите е
отпуснатите _от Китай заеми в ДОЛАРИ_. Няма нужда да обяснавям как,
нали?

имаш нужда да си обясниш откъде се появяват доларите?

нали си чел „всичко живо е трева“?

Не.

е, значи е дошло времето да го направиш.

по-добре късно, отколкото по-късно.

Извинявам се за вмешателството, но пак минаваш в стил "репа"..

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 20:16:41 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 19:49:09 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:31:41 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:53:15 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:29:44 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:14:33 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

...

а и откъде се появяват доларите?

За ирония, едно от местата откъдето се появяват дорларите е
отпуснатите _от Китай заеми в ДОЛАРИ_. Няма нужда да обяснавям как,
нали?

имаш нужда да си обясниш откъде се появяват доларите?

нали си чел „всичко живо е трева“?

Не.

е, значи е дошло времето да го направиш.

по-добре късно, отколкото по-късно.

Извинявам се за вмешателството, но пак минаваш в стил "репа"..

ми той друго не заслужава -- на елементарен въпрос откъде идват доларите
се опитва и той да се прави на репа. така,че следващият път не го
пропускай и него, моля.

не съм аз виновен, че го боли.

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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