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    From Nick@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 20:42:24 2022
    http://gallery.angelow.pro/upload/2022/03/12/20220312222859-681b7452.jpg

    аз невинен, то така си беше …

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 16 18:15:01 2022
    леле, кога успяха руснаците да купят и the economist?! за авторът няма и да
    питам -- ясно е, че е руска подлога.

    John Mearsheimer on why the West is principally responsible for the
    Ukrainian crisis

    The political scientist believes the reckless expansion of NATO provoked
    Russia

    The trouble over Ukraine actually started at NATO’s Bucharest summit in
    April 2008, when George W. Bush’s administration pushed the alliance to announce that Ukraine and Georgia “will become members”. Russian leaders responded immediately with outrage, characterising this decision as an existential threat to Russia and vowing to thwart it. According to a
    respected Russian journalist, Mr Putin “flew into a rage” and warned that “if Ukraine joins NATO, it will do so without Crimea and the eastern
    regions. It will simply fall apart.” _America ignored Moscow’s red line, however, and pushed forward to make Ukraine a Western bulwark on Russia’s border. That strategy included two other elements: bringing Ukraine closer
    to the eu and making it a pro-American democracy_.


    The next major confrontation came in December 2021 and led directly to the current war. The main cause was that Ukraine was becoming a de facto
    member of NATO. The process started in December 2017, when the Trump administration decided to sell Kyiv “defensive weapons”. What counts as “defensive” is hardly clear-cut, however, and these weapons certainly looked offensive to Moscow and its allies in the Donbas region. Other NATO countries got in on the act, shipping weapons to Ukraine, training its
    armed forces and allowing it to participate in joint air and naval
    exercises. In July 2021, Ukraine and America co-hosted a major naval
    exercise in the Black Sea region involving navies from 32 countries.
    Operation Sea Breeze almost provoked Russia to fire at a British naval destroyer that deliberately entered what Russia considers its territorial waters.


    https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/11/john-mearsheimer-on-why-the-west-is-principally-responsible-for-the-ukrainian-crisis

    останалото може да прочетете сами, тези които се интересуват.

    онзи най-вероятно ще го пропусне като руска пропаганда 8-).

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Mar 17 05:37:14 2022
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 14:56:20 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    леле, кога успяха руснаците да купят и the economist?! за авторът няма
    и да питам -- ясно е, че е руска подлога.

    John Mearsheimer on why the West is principally responsible for the
    Ukrainian crisis

    The political scientist believes the reckless expansion of NATO
    provoked Russia

    The trouble over Ukraine actually started at NATO’s Bucharest summit in
    April 2008, when George W. Bush’s administration pushed the alliance to
    announce that Ukraine and Georgia “will become members”. Russian
    leaders responded immediately with outrage, characterising this
    decision as an existential threat to Russia and vowing to thwart it.
    According to a respected Russian journalist, Mr Putin “flew into a
    rage” and warned that “if Ukraine joins NATO, it will do so without
    Crimea and the eastern regions. It will simply fall apart.” _America
    ignored Moscow’s red line,
    however, and pushed forward to make Ukraine a Western bulwark on
    Russia’s border. That strategy included two other elements: bringing
    Ukraine closer to the eu and making it a pro-American democracy_.


    The next major confrontation came in December 2021 and led directly to
    the current war. The main cause was that Ukraine was becoming a de
    facto member of NATO. The process started in December 2017, when the
    Trump administration decided to sell Kyiv “defensive weapons”. What
    counts as “defensive” is hardly clear-cut, however, and these weapons
    certainly looked offensive to Moscow and its allies in the Donbas
    region. Other NATO countries got in on the act, shipping weapons to
    Ukraine, training its armed forces and allowing it to participate in
    joint air and naval exercises. In July 2021, Ukraine and America
    co-hosted a major naval exercise in the Black Sea region involving
    navies from 32 countries.
    Operation Sea Breeze almost provoked Russia to fire at a British naval
    destroyer that deliberately entered what Russia considers its
    territorial waters.



    https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/11/john-mearsheimer-on- why-the-west-is-principally-responsible-for-the-ukrainian-crisis

    останалото може да прочетете сами, тези които се интересуват.

    онзи най-вероятно ще го пропусне като руска пропаганда 8-).


    В САЩ (в случая Великобритания) всеки може да изрази лично мнение без да
    бъде убит, а ако не говори за "черни" и "джендъри" дори няма да си
    загуби работата. Публикации, като "Тhe Еconomist", винаги търсят
    разнообразни мнения.

    Аз цитирах какво той казва във видеото пуснато от Чорби и следователно
    колко струва мнението му по върпоса - т.е. по-малко от пукната пара.

    аха, аха. така ще да е. ама странно защо не виждам в тази нишка такъв
    цитат?

    какво ще правиш с цитатите на американци, и то видни американци, които
    казват неща, обратни на това, което твърдиш?

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