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  • Yet Again - Cargo Ship Full of Burning Lithium Batteries ... Alaska Thi

    From 56g.1183@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 31 23:05:48 2023
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12915069/Cargo-ship-carrying-burning-lithium-ion-batteries-reaches-Alaska-kept-offshore-amid-frantic-battle-extinguish-blaze-crew-fears-explosion.html

    Cargo ship carrying burning lithium ion batteries reaches Alaska
    but is kept offshore amid frantic battle to extinguish the blaze
    as crew fears explosion

    The Genius Star XI was carrying a load of lithium-ion batteries
    across the Pacific Ocean, from Vietnam to San Diego when the
    cargo caught on fire

    The 19-strong crew managed to make it to shore with no injuries

    . . .

    Look folks ... these things DO hold a fair bit of
    electricity, but they are NOT the solution for
    those who crave more "electrification" They are
    NOT a safe technology.

    If you are daft enough to buy an e-car, PARK IT
    WELL AWAY FROM YOUR HOUSE. If you are a shipping
    company, BUY EXTRA INSURANCE.

    Yea, yea ... we've been hearing about perfect+
    replacement for Li-Ion for a couple of DECADES
    now ... but they never appear. The batts are lab
    projects, maybe a square millimeter. Can't be
    scaled-up for real-world needs. Batteries are
    a real pain in the ass. Pound for pound hydro-
    carbons pack a LOT more energy, and the safety
    issues can be managed.

    And forget hydrogen for vehicles ... a whole
    other set of issues there - price & safety.
    Hydrogen MIGHT make a good mix for INDUSTRIAL
    apps though ... an amazing amount of energy
    just goes into warming-up stuff.

    SOMEDAY better batts ... but not anytime soon.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 1 08:41:22 2024
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    On 12/31/2023 11:05 PM, 56g.1183 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12915069/Cargo-ship-carrying-burning-lithium-ion-batteries-reaches-Alaska-kept-offshore-amid-frantic-battle-extinguish-blaze-crew-fears-explosion.html

    Cargo ship carrying burning lithium ion batteries reaches Alaska
    but is kept offshore amid frantic battle to extinguish the blaze
    as crew fears explosion

    The Genius Star XI was carrying a load of lithium-ion batteries
    across the Pacific Ocean, from Vietnam to San Diego when the
    cargo caught on fire

    The 19-strong crew managed to make it to shore with no injuries

    . . .

      Look folks ... these things DO hold a fair bit of
      electricity, but they are NOT the solution for
      those who crave more "electrification" They are
      NOT a safe technology.

      If you are daft enough to buy an e-car, PARK IT
      WELL AWAY FROM YOUR HOUSE. If you are a shipping
      company, BUY EXTRA INSURANCE.

      Yea, yea ... we've been hearing about perfect+
      replacement for Li-Ion for a couple of DECADES
      now ... but they never appear. The batts are lab
      projects, maybe a square millimeter. Can't be
      scaled-up for real-world needs. Batteries are
      a real pain in the ass. Pound for pound hydro-
      carbons pack a LOT more energy, and the safety
      issues can be managed.

      And forget hydrogen for vehicles ... a whole
      other set of issues there - price & safety.
      Hydrogen MIGHT make a good mix for INDUSTRIAL
      apps though ... an amazing amount of energy
      just goes into warming-up stuff.

      SOMEDAY better batts ... but not anytime soon.

    It has happened with ships full of cars with batteries:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/one-dead-cargo-ship-fire-electric-car-suspected-source-dutch-coastguard-2023-07-26/

    Unlike ICE vehicles, EV's have charged batteries where all the energy
    needed is self contained. In the case gasoline it must become mixed
    with air and catch fire to be a problem.

    If forced to own an EV, I would never park in my attached garage or even
    charge it there.

    A son said he saw the extensively damaged leg of a client that was
    caused by the battery in his cell phone igniting. Just imagine this
    happening in a car with a battery.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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