• WHEN RELIGION SUPPORTS OFFENSIVE VIOLENCE AND WAR IT BECOMES MATERIALIS

    From Jedi Master@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 4 22:30:32 2023
    Violence can only be covered by a lie and that lie can only be maintained by more violence. Thus nonviolence is a fundamental and universal principle of real religion and spiritual knowledge.

    Violence and war is material duality that spreads conflict and sectarianism not spiritual oneness and understanding (nonviolence). Thus pure real religion cannot be used to acquire material wealth through violence and war because pure religion does not
    serve two masters. Pure religion is absolute and perfect spiritual knowledge of everything in relationship with the one Supreme Creator thus it has no selfish material duality nor false ego.

    Those who mix religion and politics can only create unbeneficial horrible works meant to destroy the world with tyranny and corruption. Do not listen to them!

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  • From fault tolerant systems@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 10 12:56:53 2023
    Dana utorak, 5. rujna 2023. u 07:30:34 UTC+2 korisnik Jedi Master napisao je:
    Violence can only be covered by a lie and that lie can only be maintained by more violence. Thus nonviolence is a fundamental and universal principle of real religion and spiritual knowledge.

    Violence and war is material duality that spreads conflict and sectarianism not spiritual oneness and understanding (nonviolence). Thus pure real religion cannot be used to acquire material wealth through violence and war because pure religion does not
    serve two masters. Pure religion is absolute and perfect spiritual knowledge of everything in relationship with the one Supreme Creator thus it has no selfish material duality nor false ego.

    Those who mix religion and politics can only create unbeneficial horrible works meant to destroy the world with tyranny and corruption. Do not listen to them!

    While the kings were under the guidance of the religions, there were wars, corruption and injustices.

    However, after the government became secular and set apart from any religion or faith, the world came to very little time on the Doomsday Clock in less than a century.

    Now, religion is only good to soothe the conscience of the soldiers who fight unjust wars for their rich governments in which mostly the poor are being sent to kill or die.

    Ukraine is, sadly, not an exception to the rule - even in a defence war for the holy homeland, some succeeded escaping the drafting by the power of money, while others (less rich or influential) had their objection of conscience disregarded and trampled
    upon.

    Some were brought to the frontlines and in trenches, while their talent could be invaluable in other, logistic or information warfare (again due to the lack of connections).

    While the support for the territorial integrity of Ukraine in its 1994 Budapest Memorandum borders is international, the means are also important to fight a just war.

    Are the poor bastards dying in the frontlines really up to get an award and a bride, or will she crave the rich oligarchs' or tycoon's sons over the guys that fight for her freedom? Makes me wonder ...

    Before we separated faith and government, such things were a matter of chivalry and chastity, and not of dispute.

    the Little Circus Bear

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  • From Jedi Master@21:1/5 to fault tolerant systems on Sun Sep 10 22:32:29 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 9:56:55 AM UTC-10, fault tolerant systems wrote:
    Dana utorak, 5. rujna 2023. u 07:30:34 UTC+2 korisnik Jedi Master napisao je:
    Violence can only be covered by a lie and that lie can only be maintained by more violence. Thus nonviolence is a fundamental and universal principle of real religion and spiritual knowledge.

    Violence and war is material duality that spreads conflict and sectarianism not spiritual oneness and understanding (nonviolence). Thus pure real religion cannot be used to acquire material wealth through violence and war because pure religion does
    not serve two masters. Pure religion is absolute and perfect spiritual knowledge of everything in relationship with the one Supreme Creator thus it has no selfish material duality nor false ego.

    Those who mix religion and politics can only create unbeneficial horrible works meant to destroy the world with tyranny and corruption. Do not listen to them!
    While the kings were under the guidance of the religions, there were wars, corruption and injustices.

    However, after the government became secular and set apart from any religion or faith, the world came to very little time on the Doomsday Clock in less than a century.

    Now, religion is only good to soothe the conscience of the soldiers who fight unjust wars for their rich governments in which mostly the poor are being sent to kill or die.

    Ukraine is, sadly, not an exception to the rule - even in a defence war for the holy homeland, some succeeded escaping the drafting by the power of money, while others (less rich or influential) had their objection of conscience disregarded and
    trampled upon.

    Some were brought to the frontlines and in trenches, while their talent could be invaluable in other, logistic or information warfare (again due to the lack of connections).

    While the support for the territorial integrity of Ukraine in its 1994 Budapest Memorandum borders is international, the means are also important to fight a just war.

    Are the poor bastards dying in the frontlines really up to get an award and a bride, or will she crave the rich oligarchs' or tycoon's sons over the guys that fight for her freedom? Makes me wonder ...

    Before we separated faith and government, such things were a matter of chivalry and chastity, and not of dispute.

    the Little Circus Bear


    As recent as 5000 years ago this planet was ruled by one emperor King who was well educated in spiritual science, philosophy and religion. He was advised by the priestly intellectual class who studied the Vedas. But by the will of the supreme Creator
    that class of intellectuals was corrupted so they could not advise the emperor king purely. The result was that the royal military class of this planet could not govern spiritually and the planet got divided by political conflict and war,

    The scripture states that happy are the warriors who have to fight the aggressor enemy. They will either enjoy victory in this in this world or be immediately promoted to the heavenly planets to enjoy heavenly pleasures in their the next life. The
    aggressors go to hell.

    The military class is supposed to be well educated in the spiritual science of self and God realization. But today wars are being fought by uneducated leaders and soldiers who fight irreligious wars.

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  • From fault tolerant systems@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 11 14:18:54 2023
    Dana ponedjeljak, 11. rujna 2023. u 07:32:31 UTC+2 korisnik Jedi Master napisao je:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 9:56:55 AM UTC-10, fault tolerant systems wrote:
    Dana utorak, 5. rujna 2023. u 07:30:34 UTC+2 korisnik Jedi Master napisao je:
    Violence can only be covered by a lie and that lie can only be maintained by more violence. Thus nonviolence is a fundamental and universal principle of real religion and spiritual knowledge.

    Violence and war is material duality that spreads conflict and sectarianism not spiritual oneness and understanding (nonviolence). Thus pure real religion cannot be used to acquire material wealth through violence and war because pure religion does
    not serve two masters. Pure religion is absolute and perfect spiritual knowledge of everything in relationship with the one Supreme Creator thus it has no selfish material duality nor false ego.

    Those who mix religion and politics can only create unbeneficial horrible works meant to destroy the world with tyranny and corruption. Do not listen to them!
    While the kings were under the guidance of the religions, there were wars, corruption and injustices.

    However, after the government became secular and set apart from any religion or faith, the world came to very little time on the Doomsday Clock in less than a century.

    Now, religion is only good to soothe the conscience of the soldiers who fight unjust wars for their rich governments in which mostly the poor are being sent to kill or die.

    Ukraine is, sadly, not an exception to the rule - even in a defence war for the holy homeland, some succeeded escaping the drafting by the power of money, while others (less rich or influential) had their objection of conscience disregarded and
    trampled upon.

    Some were brought to the frontlines and in trenches, while their talent could be invaluable in other, logistic or information warfare (again due to the lack of connections).

    While the support for the territorial integrity of Ukraine in its 1994 Budapest Memorandum borders is international, the means are also important to fight a just war.

    Are the poor bastards dying in the frontlines really up to get an award and a bride, or will she crave the rich oligarchs' or tycoon's sons over the guys that fight for her freedom? Makes me wonder ...

    Before we separated faith and government, such things were a matter of chivalry and chastity, and not of dispute.

    the Little Circus Bear
    As recent as 5000 years ago this planet was ruled by one emperor King who was well educated in spiritual science, philosophy and religion. He was advised by the priestly intellectual class who studied the Vedas. But by the will of the supreme Creator
    that class of intellectuals was corrupted so they could not advise the emperor king purely. The result was that the royal military class of this planet could not govern spiritually and the planet got divided by political conflict and war,

    The scripture states that happy are the warriors who have to fight the aggressor enemy. They will either enjoy victory in this in this world or be immediately promoted to the heavenly planets to enjoy heavenly pleasures in their the next life. The
    aggressors go to hell.

    I would object to that. The opposite side tells them they are going to Heaven and the "Ukrainian Nazis" and war criminal Azov
    battalion are going to Hell.

    Put that aside, what about the Russian guy who had filed an objection of conscience by the Russian constitution, but that very
    night before he received a reply from the State he got picked up by the military police in the middle of the night. Then he was
    brought without any military training to the first front lines where they gave him a riffle or he'd been given a notion that he might
    be shot if he refused to load his riffle.

    Then he was commanded to charge in a "human wave" to the Ukrainian fortified positions, and at his back was his commander
    with his gun pointed to the back of his head.

    He rushed forwards until being met by a Ukrainian bullet, without having fired a single shot.

    Does this guy deserve to go to the Hell with the rest of the aggressors?

    The military class is supposed to be well educated in the spiritual science of self and God realization. But today wars are being fought by uneducated leaders and soldiers who fight irreligious wars.

    Most of the combatants weren't even physically prepared, let alone confessed and had a holy communion, nor would they believe
    in God (maybe in the church as the human institution), but sent as the "cannon fodder". The "human wave" strategy is based on
    the assumption that the enemy will run out of ammunition before he shoots all the soldiers sent to march forward towards the
    hostile fire.

    Take the second Russian guy: he didn't fire a bullet, but he saw his friend fall before realising that his friend was wounded for the
    very purpose for the others to come to his aid and get shot - he comes, pulls his brother until they both fall under enemy's fire.
    Does he deserve to go to Hell?

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  • From Jedi Master@21:1/5 to fault tolerant systems on Wed Sep 13 12:09:14 2023
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:18:56 AM UTC-10, fault tolerant systems wrote:
    Dana ponedjeljak, 11. rujna 2023. u 07:32:31 UTC+2 korisnik Jedi Master napisao je:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 9:56:55 AM UTC-10, fault tolerant systems wrote:
    Dana utorak, 5. rujna 2023. u 07:30:34 UTC+2 korisnik Jedi Master napisao je:
    Violence can only be covered by a lie and that lie can only be maintained by more violence. Thus nonviolence is a fundamental and universal principle of real religion and spiritual knowledge.

    Violence and war is material duality that spreads conflict and sectarianism not spiritual oneness and understanding (nonviolence). Thus pure real religion cannot be used to acquire material wealth through violence and war because pure religion
    does not serve two masters. Pure religion is absolute and perfect spiritual knowledge of everything in relationship with the one Supreme Creator thus it has no selfish material duality nor false ego.

    Those who mix religion and politics can only create unbeneficial horrible works meant to destroy the world with tyranny and corruption. Do not listen to them!
    While the kings were under the guidance of the religions, there were wars, corruption and injustices.

    However, after the government became secular and set apart from any religion or faith, the world came to very little time on the Doomsday Clock in less than a century.

    Now, religion is only good to soothe the conscience of the soldiers who fight unjust wars for their rich governments in which mostly the poor are being sent to kill or die.

    Ukraine is, sadly, not an exception to the rule - even in a defence war for the holy homeland, some succeeded escaping the drafting by the power of money, while others (less rich or influential) had their objection of conscience disregarded and
    trampled upon.

    Some were brought to the frontlines and in trenches, while their talent could be invaluable in other, logistic or information warfare (again due to the lack of connections).

    While the support for the territorial integrity of Ukraine in its 1994 Budapest Memorandum borders is international, the means are also important to fight a just war.

    Are the poor bastards dying in the frontlines really up to get an award and a bride, or will she crave the rich oligarchs' or tycoon's sons over the guys that fight for her freedom? Makes me wonder ...

    Before we separated faith and government, such things were a matter of chivalry and chastity, and not of dispute.

    the Little Circus Bear
    As recent as 5000 years ago this planet was ruled by one emperor King who was well educated in spiritual science, philosophy and religion. He was advised by the priestly intellectual class who studied the Vedas. But by the will of the supreme Creator
    that class of intellectuals was corrupted so they could not advise the emperor king purely. The result was that the royal military class of this planet could not govern spiritually and the planet got divided by political conflict and war,

    The scripture states that happy are the warriors who have to fight the aggressor enemy. They will either enjoy victory in this in this world or be immediately promoted to the heavenly planets to enjoy heavenly pleasures in their the next life. The
    aggressors go to hell.
    I would object to that. The opposite side tells them they are going to Heaven and the "Ukrainian Nazis" and war criminal Azov
    battalion are going to Hell.

    Put that aside, what about the Russian guy who had filed an objection of conscience by the Russian constitution, but that very
    night before he received a reply from the State he got picked up by the military police in the middle of the night. Then he was
    brought without any military training to the first front lines where they gave him a riffle or he'd been given a notion that he might
    be shot if he refused to load his riffle.

    Then he was commanded to charge in a "human wave" to the Ukrainian fortified positions, and at his back was his commander
    with his gun pointed to the back of his head.

    He rushed forwards until being met by a Ukrainian bullet, without having fired a single shot.

    Does this guy deserve to go to the Hell with the rest of the aggressors?
    The military class is supposed to be well educated in the spiritual science of self and God realization. But today wars are being fought by uneducated leaders and soldiers who fight irreligious wars.
    Most of the combatants weren't even physically prepared, let alone confessed and had a holy communion, nor would they believe
    in God (maybe in the church as the human institution), but sent as the "cannon fodder". The "human wave" strategy is based on
    the assumption that the enemy will run out of ammunition before he shoots all the soldiers sent to march forward towards the
    hostile fire.

    Take the second Russian guy: he didn't fire a bullet, but he saw his friend fall before realising that his friend was wounded for the
    very purpose for the others to come to his aid and get shot - he comes, pulls his brother until they both fall under enemy's fire.
    Does he deserve to go to Hell?


    There is only one Creator and real religion is His order. We cannot be held fully responsible for actions forced against one's will. Only violence permitted is in self defense.

    In one's last breath it is best to call on the name of the supreme Lord even if one is an atheist. That is overlooked. He who calls on the name of Lord shall be saved.

    The Putin military dictatorship and their supporters will suffer severely in hell for a long time for being responsible for the deaths of so many civilians. The genuine military class must protect the lives and property of all people because that is
    their purpose. All life is sacred no matter what race, nationality, nor religion.

    Amen!

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