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    From "Ron Dean@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 23:03:31 2022
    For decades I was skeptical of intelligent design (ID), however, over
    the past few years I have
    gradually come to see the evidence for design as more obvious than
    evolution.

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 21:32:36 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:03:31 -0400, the following appeared
    in sci.skeptic, posted by "Ron Dean 303"@gmail.com:


    For decades I was skeptical of intelligent design (ID), however, over
    the past few years I have
    gradually come to see the evidence for design as more obvious than
    evolution.

    And this has...what?,,, to do with claims of the paranormal?
    You *do* know what that is, right?

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From R Kym Horsell@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Thu Sep 22 04:43:29 2022
    Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:03:31 -0400, the following appeared
    in sci.skeptic, posted by "Ron Dean 303"@gmail.com:


    For decades I was skeptical of intelligent design (ID), however, over
    the past few years I have
    gradually come to see the evidence for design as more obvious than >>evolution.

    And this has...what?,,, to do with claims of the paranormal?
    You *do* know what that is, right?

    You know newbies. They dont know scientic skepticism is on a dozen
    other groups and has almost nothing to do with this one.

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  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to "Ron Dean on Wed Sep 28 10:20:55 2022
    "Ron Dean 303"@gmail.com wrote:

    For decades I was skeptical of intelligent design (ID), however, over
    the past few years I have gradually come to see the evidence for
    design as more obvious than evolution.

    Let me guess, this coincided with your conversion to Christianity?

    Intelligent design is nothing more than creationism
    dressed in a cheap tuxedo.
    -- Leonard Krishtalka
    --
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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 28 09:15:38 2022
    On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:20:55 +0300, the following appeared
    in sci.skeptic, posted by om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela):

    "Ron Dean 303"@gmail.com wrote:

    For decades I was skeptical of intelligent design (ID), however, over
    the past few years I have gradually come to see the evidence for
    design as more obvious than evolution.

    Let me guess, this coincided with your conversion to Christianity?

    Let me guess; you think that the only IDiots are the
    minority of Christians who reject science, and that neither
    Islamic IDiots nor secular IDiots exist?

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Thu Sep 29 18:36:53 2022
    Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:

    On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:20:55 +0300, the following appeared
    in sci.skeptic, posted by om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela):
    "Ron Dean 303"@gmail.com wrote:
    For decades I was skeptical of intelligent design (ID), however,
    over the past few years I have gradually come to see the evidence
    for design as more obvious than evolution.
    Let me guess, this coincided with your conversion to Christianity?

    Let me guess; you think that the only IDiots are the
    minority of Christians who reject science, and that neither
    Islamic IDiots nor secular IDiots exist?

    I thought the 303 numerology was a bit of a hint at Christianity, but
    you are of course correct that also Islamic and Jewish IDiots exist.
    I'm not sure if the Hindu ones fit in at all.

    Secular IDiots seem to be of the UFOlogy kind, but I confess I haven't
    ever met anyone seriously like that. I remember Erich von Däniken
    writing something like that, and that immediately made me discount him.

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 29 11:33:43 2022
    On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:36:53 +0300, the following appeared
    in sci.skeptic, posted by om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela):

    Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:

    On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:20:55 +0300, the following appeared
    in sci.skeptic, posted by om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela):
    "Ron Dean 303"@gmail.com wrote:
    For decades I was skeptical of intelligent design (ID), however,
    over the past few years I have gradually come to see the evidence
    for design as more obvious than evolution.
    Let me guess, this coincided with your conversion to Christianity?

    Let me guess; you think that the only IDiots are the
    minority of Christians who reject science, and that neither
    Islamic IDiots nor secular IDiots exist?

    I thought the 303 numerology was a bit of a hint at Christianity, but
    you are of course correct that also Islamic and Jewish IDiots exist.
    I'm not sure if the Hindu ones fit in at all.

    Secular IDiots seem to be of the UFOlogy kind, but I confess I haven't
    ever met anyone seriously like that. I remember Erich von Däniken
    writing something like that, and that immediately made me discount him.

    OK, sorry if I went off on you; your post sounded very
    similar to those of bigots who use every opportunity to say
    something derogatory about Christians and Christianity,
    while carefully ignoring the bigotry among others, and the
    atrocities they practice.

    That said, while the Hindu creationists (i.e., religious
    IDists) aren't identical to others, the fact that they
    believe in creation by a deity or deities puts them in the
    same category; any creation by a deity is ID by definition
    (assuming, of course, that they consider the deity to be
    intelligent and to have designed the universe, the Earth or
    life).

    As for the non-deity IDiots, we have at least one who is
    very vocal about it who posts in talk.origins. He's a
    college professor (of math, IIRC), and is a strong proponent
    of directed panspermia, which is another version of ID
    regarding life on Earth, if not the universe.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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