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    From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 18 22:49:09 2024
    Le 18/11/2024 à 23:00, tomyee3@gmail.com (ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog) a
    écrit :
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 21:32:22 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:

    Why can't relativists understand this?

    A. There is no ether.
    B. There is no ether wind.
    C. Therefore, there is no time dilation.

    Then, no experiments can demonstrate time dilation.

    Except that time dilation is easily measurable.

    Yes.

    So something is wrong with your logic.

    Absolutely.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 18 23:03:06 2024
    Le 18/11/2024 à 22:32, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit
    :
    Why can't relativists understand this?

    A. There is no ether.

    Non seulement il n'y a pas d'éther, mais il n'y a même pas d'espace
    absolu.

    "L'Eternel tisse sa toile quadrimentionnelle sur le néant" disent les
    sages théoriciens relativistes hébreux.

    B. There is no ether wind.

    Encore moins.

    C. Therefore, there is no time dilation.

    Le problème de compréhension vient d'un terme mal adapté.

    Il ne faut pas dire "time dilation" mais "internal reciprocal chronotropy dilation". Ce n'est pas le temps qui se dilate par changement de
    référentiel, mais la façon dont la structure interne des montres
    mesurent le temps.

    To'=To/sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)

    Se joint alors un effet supplémentaire : l'effet Doppler externe sur les temps.

    On en arrive alors à t'=t(1+cosµ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)

    C'est quelque chose que j'enseigne depuis quarante ans, mais l'idée en
    est si haute qu'il semble impossible qu'un seul crétin de l'univers
    puisse comprendre ce que je veux dire.

    C'est la vie.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 19 22:06:19 2024
    Le 19/11/2024 à 22:39, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit
    :

    I do not buy length contraction either. I don't see any relevance to
    your speculations.

    Whether you agree or not, it doesn't change much.
    As a general rule, no one agrees with everything I say, proof that what I
    say is interesting.
    I visit a lot of sites, a lot of sects, a lot of forums, a lot of
    journalistic articles, and believe me, everyone has members.
    A miraculous phenomenon (in the literal sense of a miracle) is the fact
    that I have none, and that is what proves the quality of my positions and
    my all-round reflections.
    But it is not important whether we agree or not.
    The sect gurus teach that the Martians will come to Earth, and they have thousands of members, and the rest of humanity follows the general right-thinking.
    It is the immense human stupidity that counts the followers to know if
    someone is lying or not.
    We then reason with the fork.
    There is dilation of the chronotropies (this is the effect that I call the internal Doppler effect, the transverse term being to be banned), if we
    add the elasticity of the external Doppler effect, this gives the
    indisputable equation t'=t.(1+cosµ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²).
    We find the same equation for the lengths.
    l'=l.sqrt(1-v²/c²)/(1+cosµ.v/c)
    and again the same equations for the relativity of electromagnetic waves: λ'=λ(1+cosµ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²).

    R.H.

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